mzf5c5 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Floyd Reese said the same thing on NFL Live yesterday about Rivers being the best QB in the playoffs. Not positive, but I'm thinking he knows a little more about the game than you. When was the last time the Chargers went to the SB with Rivers? Oh yeah, that is right, they haven't and he sucked against the Colts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted January 7, 2009 When was the last time the Chargers went to the SB with Rivers? Oh yeah, that is right, they haven't and he sucked against the Colts. I forgot, the thread was which QB has been to the most superbowls? 4000+ yards, 34 TDs, 11 picks, 105.5 QB rating for the year. Yep, he sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,343 Posted January 7, 2009 I guess you guys didnt watch Rivers play on no ACL last year in the playoffs and lead his team to the championship round. he also was BY FAR the best quarterback in the league this year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted January 7, 2009 I guess you guys didnt watch Rivers play on no ACL last year in the playoffs and lead his team to the championship round. he also was BY FAR the best quarterback in the league this year Actually he didn't finish the game against the Colts, maybe you didn't watch it. He didn't lead them there, he actually has having issues, as LT was also, and Turner and Billy Volek got the winning drive against the Colts. And then Rivers tried to play against NE hurt and they lost. Go figure. And yes, 20/36 217 yards, 0 TD's, 1 int against the Colts made him suck against the Colts, I never said anything about the regular season. If Manning would of had those stats, you guys would have said he choked and sucked, he had 25/42 310, 1 td and 0 int yet you say he sucked, so if that is sucking, Rivers really sucked even worse than Manning. Have a good day knowing Chargers can't beat Pitts, only the Colts could have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted January 7, 2009 mzf5c5 is a bitter, bitter man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cribdog 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Let's see, of the QB's left, Eli, Warner, and Ben have all won superbowls, but each of them only 1. So, I guess in those years, they were written off as guys with no experience because they hadn't done it before, so after the one win they should have piled them up, yet none of them has been able to do it again. When Ben won, it was in spite of him, and he has pretty much sucked in the playoffs his entire career. Eli did it with a solid team around him on an incredible roll. Warner was pretty much the center piece of an incredible offense, but I think age has caught up with him a bit. What I am getting at is that having won the bowl before is a bit overrated, it doesn't mean that much. The best QB left is Rivers, with McNabb a close 2nd. Neither has won the bowl yet, but they are still the best 2 qb's left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Hood 9 Posted January 7, 2009 Let's see, of the QB's left, Eli, Warner, and Ben have all won superbowls, but each of them only 1. So, I guess in those years, they were written off as guys with no experience because they hadn't done it before, so after the one win they should have piled them up, yet none of them has been able to do it again. When Ben won, it was in spite of him, and he has pretty much sucked in the playoffs his entire career. Eli did it with a solid team around him on an incredible roll. Warner was pretty much the center piece of an incredible offense, but I think age has caught up with him a bit. What I am getting at is that having won the bowl before is a bit overrated, it doesn't mean that much. The best QB left is Rivers, with McNabb a close 2nd. Neither has won the bowl yet, but they are still the best 2 qb's left. While he did suck in the Superbowl in the 3 games to get there Ben was excellent. He is 5-2 in the playoffs. And while is playoff stats are not great they are much better than Rivers has in his 5 playoff games (3-2). Roth - 12 TD's - 11 INTs, 62% comp, 85.1 QB rating and 2 rushing TD's Rivers - 4 TD's - 6 INT's , 56% comp, 74 QB rating. Even Eli's numbers are a little better than Rivers. Great regular season this year but Rivers need to show more than he has so far in the playoffs before I think he can be considered anywhere close to the "best" left. We'll see....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stewburtx8 67 Posted January 7, 2009 Eli has 100% more Super Bowl MVP's than Mcnabb...just saying. I also believe he earned that MVP against the same New England Patriots Mcnabb threw three picks against except the Pats weren't 18-0 at the time. You mean the same Eli Manning who threw 20 interceptions before the Giants went on that very improbable run to the Super Bowl last year? The same Eli Manning who's team wins with defense and running the ball and pretty much asks him to not screw up. The Giants won that Super Bowl because they put pressure on Brady. Eli played well but he was hardly spectacular. His completion % was 55 and he did throw an interception in the game. But again, he played well enough to not lose the game for his team, and made one spectacular play late in the game. Congrats to him. But I still wouldn't trust Eli Manning. I don't believe he is the kind of QB that can carry his team. Donovan McNabb has that ability. He has been to the playoffs now 6 times in his 10 year NFL career. And that Patriots team of 2004 was built on defense. They were much better defensively in 2004 than they were in 2008. They went undefeated in 2008 because their offense was the best ever. Their defense was very banged up last year and they were down to 4th and 5th cornerbacks in that Super Bowl last year. I guess we'll see this Sunday. But give me Donovan McNabb any day of the week over Eli Manning. (In no way is this a prediction on the game, as the Giants have a better line and run game, im just talking about the QB position.) Big Ben? Huh? The same Big Ben who has 11 interceptions versus 12 TD passes in his playoff career. The same Big Ben who had 15 interceptions versus 17 TD passes this year. The Steelers won a Super Bowl in spite of Big Ben (and with some help from the officials). He was awful in that Super Bowl. He has been pretty bad in 4 of the 7 playoff games he has played in. Philip Rivers had a tremendous year, and I'd agree, he is the best QB left in the AFC right now. But he is also on a team that is well behind in the other three teams defensively. It will be very interesting to see what he does against that attacking and extremely good Steelers defense. Personally I don't know if I'd fully trust any of the QB's left in the playoffs. Its a tough argument. My personal list based on playoff experience and ability would go 1) McNabb 2) Warner 3) Rivers 4) Eli 5) Big Ben followed by the other 3. But this was a good topic because you could argue many different ways. I just listed my opinions above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PATSSOX 22 Posted January 7, 2009 You mean the same Eli Manning who threw 20 interceptions before the Giants went on that very improbable run to the Super Bowl last year? The same Eli Manning who's team wins with defense and running the ball and pretty much asks him to not screw up. The Giants won that Super Bowl because they put pressure on Brady. Eli played well but he was hardly spectacular. His completion % was 55 and he did throw an interception in the game. But again, he played well enough to not lose the game for his team, and made one spectacular play late in the game. Congrats to him. But I still wouldn't trust Eli Manning. I don't believe he is the kind of QB that can carry his team. Donovan McNabb has that ability. He has been to the playoffs now 6 times in his 10 year NFL career. And that Patriots team of 2004 was built on defense. They were much better defensively in 2004 than they were in 2008. They went undefeated in 2008 because their offense was the best ever. Their defense was very banged up last year and they were down to 4th and 5th cornerbacks in that Super Bowl last year. I guess we'll see this Sunday. But give me Donovan McNabb any day of the week over Eli Manning. (In no way is this a prediction on the game, as the Giants have a better line and run game, im just talking about the QB position.) Big Ben? Huh? The same Big Ben who has 11 interceptions versus 12 TD passes in his playoff career. The same Big Ben who had 15 interceptions versus 17 TD passes this year. The Steelers won a Super Bowl in spite of Big Ben (and with some help from the officials). He was awful in that Super Bowl. He has been pretty bad in 4 of the 7 playoff games he has played in. Philip Rivers had a tremendous year, and I'd agree, he is the best QB left in the AFC right now. But he is also on a team that is well behind in the other three teams defensively. It will be very interesting to see what he does against that attacking and extremely good Steelers defense. Personally I don't know if I'd fully trust any of the QB's left in the playoffs. Its a tough argument. My personal list based on playoff experience and ability would go 1) McNabb 2) Warner 3) Rivers 4) Eli 5) Big Ben followed by the other 3. But this was a good topic because you could argue many different ways. I just listed my opinions above. THIS MAN KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT eli=awful big ben=shitttty there really are no good QBs left. the one pure QB is warner but he is very shaky at times. just look at end of year Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,367 Posted January 11, 2009 Eli has to be #1 and there really isn't a #2 if you ask me ELI MANNING Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted January 12, 2009 I guess you Rivers fans were.............WRONG! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 66 Posted January 12, 2009 big ben=shitttty We'll take him, thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cribdog 0 Posted January 12, 2009 I guess you Rivers fans were.............WRONG! Not so sure about that...I thought he played well, the defense just couldn't get off the field. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stonewall 647 Posted January 12, 2009 Warner is the best of the 4 left......with Mcnabb running a close 2nd....just edging out Big Ben. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted January 12, 2009 Not so sure about that...I thought he played well, the defense just couldn't get off the field. Nope, under peoples rule's for Manning, he Choked. He cost the Chargers the game. He lost the whole game for them. HE sucks, he can't win the big one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted January 12, 2009 Nope, under peoples rule's for Manning, he Choked. He cost the Chargers the game. He lost the whole game for them. HE sucks, he can't win the big one. Difference between P Manning losing this year and P Rivers is that P Manning had a chance to win it in the end and could do nothing. P Rivers never had a chance, the game was waaay out of reach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted January 12, 2009 Difference between P Manning losing this year and P Rivers is that P Manning had a chance to win it in the end and could do nothing. P Rivers never had a chance, the game was waaay out of reach. How did Manning have a chance to freaking win it with like 30 seconds left? How freaking stupid is that? It was due to the coin toss and not getting it, plus the ref's help. If Rivers would have played better, he might not have choked on LT's balls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Next Generation 10 Posted January 12, 2009 How did Manning have a chance to freaking win it with like 30 seconds left? How freaking stupid is that? It was due to the coin toss and not getting it, plus the ref's help. If Rivers would have played better, he might not have choked on LT's balls. True, my bad. Was thinking more of the chances he blew in the late 3rd/ and 4th Q than that last 30 seconds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mzf5c5 0 Posted January 12, 2009 True, my bad. Was thinking more of the chances he blew in the late 3rd/ and 4th Q than that last 30 seconds. Ok, that I will give ya, that punter hurt us those two times he backed us up against our end zone and we didn't take enough chances to get out of there. I will give you that and that sack Manning took was huge, even though I think he had Addai open or at least a guy behind him at the first down and could have gotten it. He did choke on that play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted January 12, 2009 The best QB's led their teams to wins yesterday (yes, Flacco's team won, but not because of him). The Chargers game ended on the last drive of the 1st half and the 1st drive of the 2nd half when Ben took them apart. The Giants game ended when McNabb picked them apart on the drive to make it 20-13 and the following drive. The Carolina game ended when Warner led them on 5 consecutive scoring drives before halftime. Good QB's make plays when it counts, all three of those guys did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,676 Posted January 13, 2009 Not taken anything away from Ben cause he just wins and and seems to will the Steelers to a lot of scoring drives, but I'd take P. Rivers with Pitt's defense over Big Ben with SD's defense. Course, I'm borderline retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted January 13, 2009 Not taken anything away from Ben cause he just wins and and seems to will the Steelers to a lot of scoring drives, but I'd take P. Rivers with Pitt's defense over Big Ben with SD's defense. Course, I'm borderline retarded. the borderline is about 5 miles back kutulu. Rivers doesn't win games in the last few minutes...Big Ben does. I say this as a guy who actually hoped that Rivers would fall to the Steelers during that draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
