Dwight Freeney Fined for Speaking the truth about the refs.

[e-factor 13]

Is this the thread where losing teams' fans come to whine about being ripped off?

 

Not at all. I doubt most people posting in this thread are Colts fans, but rather fans that feel a playoff game was determined in part by borderline penalties called by an officiating crew that has a record of calling the most penalties of any crew in the NFL. I really didn't care who won as I'm not a fan of either team nor do I dislike either team. I really enjoyed the game, but felt kind of cheated at the end because I felt that borderline penalties determined the game. But then, I am one of those that believe that only obvious penalties should be called in those situations and I didn't feel that the illegal contact or the defensive holding (on a DT on a running play) were obvious penalties..............

[NewbieJr 541]

Not at all. I doubt most people posting in this thread are Colts fans, but rather fans that feel a playoff game was determined in part by borderline penalties called by an officiating crew that has a record of calling the most penalties of any crew in the NFL. I really didn't care who won as I'm not a fan of either team nor do I dislike either team. I really enjoyed the game, but felt kind of cheated at the end because I felt that borderline penalties determined the game. But then, I am one of those that believe that only obvious penalties should be called in those situations and I didn't feel that the illegal contact or the defensive holding (on a DT on a running play) were obvious penalties..............

Calling only 'obvious' penalties in certain situations really opens up a door that shouldn't be opened. You need to either have concrete rules or none at all. If that would happen, you not only have the risk of teh officials making the wrong call, but they will be scrutinized as to whether it should have been deemed important enough to call at that time.

 

Football has succeeded for a long time with players making mistakes, coaches making mistakes, and officials making mistakes. Instant replay helps some, but you can't possibly eliminate every officiating error, just like you'll never eliminate every offensive lineman jumping because he didn't remember the snap count. Humans play and humans ref.

 

As for those calling for penalizing poor officials, the NFL does have a scoring system where the best refs do playoff games and the worst refs get demerits and can be relieved of their duties.

 

Ed Hocholi, by the way, who made one of teh year's worst calls, happens to be one of the league's best officials. Joe Montana also threw some interceptions.

[The Moz 69]

There does need to be rule changes

 

 

A. Illeagal contact that happens on the other side of the field when the ball is in the air should never be called as there is no effect to the play.

 

B. PI calls should be allowed to be reviewed as they can be huge game changers of 50 - 60 yards sometimes.

 

C. In the playoffs refs eat their whistles unless it is obvious.

[FlaHawker 24]

Calling only 'obvious' penalties in certain situations really opens up a door that shouldn't be opened. You need to either have concrete rules or none at all. If that would happen, you not only have the risk of teh officials making the wrong call, but they will be scrutinized as to whether it should have been deemed important enough to call at that time.

 

Football has succeeded for a long time with players making mistakes, coaches making mistakes, and officials making mistakes. Instant replay helps some, but you can't possibly eliminate every officiating error, just like you'll never eliminate every offensive lineman jumping because he didn't remember the snap count. Humans play and humans ref.

 

As for those calling for penalizing poor officials, the NFL does have a scoring system where the best refs do playoff games and the worst refs get demerits and can be relieved of their duties.

 

Ed Hocholi, by the way, who made one of teh year's worst calls, happens to be one of the league's best officials. Joe Montana also threw some interceptions.

Well Said Newbie,

 

Signed,

 

Mike Periera and the NFL

[NewbieJr 541]

Well Said Newbie,

That may as well just be everyone's sig, as its true every time.

[Dan 66]

There does need to be rule changes

A. Illeagal contact that happens on the other side of the field when the ball is in the air should never be called as there is no effect to the play.

 

And if that receiver wasn't in the QB's progression . . . that's dangerous ground, Moz.

 

B. PI calls should be allowed to be reviewed as they can be huge game changers of 50 - 60 yards sometimes.

 

A slippery slope when you allow a review to negate judgment. I think the quality of refereeing would deteriorate further.

 

. In the playoffs refs eat their whistles unless it is obvious.

 

Or, they could all just start being consistent, working with the same definition of what constitutes a penalty. The most frustrating thing this year has not been the "bad" calls; it's been the inconsistent calls. Not knowing what "roughing the passer" is, for instance. When Woodley sacked Rivers hard, I thought he was going to be flagged. He and Harrison have been flagged for a lot less. And I've seen a lot worse not get flagged. So . . . what's the real rule? They need to clearly define these things, and then the refs need to be on the same page . . . across the league.

[phillybear 366]

That may as well just be everyone's sig, as its true every time.

 

Right up to the moment a giant Indian takes a pillow and puts it firmly across your face for a few minutes and smothers you.

[FlaHawker 24]

That may as well just be everyone's sig, as its true every time.

If that were true methinks you would still be employed. You lose...

[NewbieJr 541]

If that were true methinks you would still be employed. You lose...

Yes, me and the other 50 million people who's companies have failed in this economy.

[Dan 66]

Yes, me and the other 50 million people who's companies have failed in this economy.

 

We're still open. I need a part-time driver.

[NewbieJr 541]

We're still open. I need a part-time driver.

Six-figures?

[Dan 66]

Six-figures?

 

Sure, if you include the numbers after the decimal point. Oh, and you'd have to move to Maine.

[NewbieJr 541]

Oh, and you'd have to move to Maine.

Could I become a bandwagon Patriots fan if and when they become a playoff team again?

[KSB2424 3,148]

I'm not gonna get into which was a bad call and which wasn't but I think it is common sense to think that a Professional league like the NFL should employ full time professional referees and umpires. Really hard to argue with that.

[Phurfur 70]

I'm not gonna get into which was a bad call and which wasn't but I think it is common sense to think that a Professional league like the NFL should employ full time professional referees and umpires. Really hard to argue with that.

 

 

How will this help? What would they do during the 325 days a year they aren't on the field?

[t.j 35]

How will this help? What would they do during the 325 days a year they aren't on the field?

 

They would work on becoming better referees. Much like players work on becoming better players on the days they aren't on the field.

[roroco 75]

They would work on becoming better referees. Much like players work on becoming better players on the days they aren't on the field.

You mean like doing eye push ups?

[KSB2424 3,148]

You mean like doing eye push ups?

Preseason games, mid-week meetings, Regular season games, mid-week performance reveiws, Playoff games plus travel time. That covers August through Feburary.

 

March through July could be attending NFL seminars on rule changes, going to NFL sanctioned community service appearances, and anything else that the powers that be think will perfect their craft. Hell maybe some them can get in shape so they don't get in the damn way on a crossing route.

 

Try to not be so obtuse. Itsatip.

 

ETA: plus you fockers act like full time employees work 365 days a year. No you don't. You get weekends off. You get vacation time off. You get sick days off. I mean hell, how many days during the year do teachers work? 180?

 

You guys act like these guys only work on Sundays as if they don't have to travel from city to city or meet for performance reviews or rule changes, or should have a couple days off a week like the rest of us.

[roroco 75]

Preseason games, mid-week meetings, Regular season games, mid-week performance reveiws, Playoff games plus travel time. That covers August through Feburary.

 

March through July could be attending NFL seminars on rule changes, going to NFL sanctioned community service appearances, and anything else that the powers that be think will perfect their craft. Hell maybe some them can get in shape so they don't get in the damn way on a crossing route.

 

Try to not be so obtuse. Itsatip.

 

ETA: plus you fockers act like full time employees work 365 days a year. No you don't. You get weekends off. You get vacation time off. You get sick days off. I mean hell, how many days during the year do teachers work? 180?

 

You guys act like these guys only work on Sundays as if they don't have to travel from city to city or meet for performance reviews or rule changes, or should have a couple days off a week like the rest of us.

You are making the assumption that they don't know the rules or they don't know what they are doing out there. The problem is not that they are inept... it is that most of the rules are judgment calls and there are only a handful of ref watching 22 players, the sidelines, and the clock. Giving them more time to study wouldn't do anything...

 

Hence... Eye push ups is all you have left.

[worm 36]

You mean like doing eye push ups?

I bet Hochuli can do one-eyed push ups.

 

As for full-time employment, I don't think it has to go that far. They could still attend seminars in the offseason even on part-time, and and they might even do that now, I don't know.

 

I just found an article that addresses the issue:

Link

[FlaHawker 24]

Yes, me and the other 50 million people who's companies have failed in this economy.

We're still open and turning a profit Too bad so sad for you!

[jdon 28]

There does need to be rule changes

A. Illeagal contact that happens on the other side of the field when the ball is in the air should never be called as there is no effect to the play.

 

I am tired of people saying this; 1.) holding is holding, whether the man could actually make the tackle or not. 2.)maybe the illegal contact on the other side of the field caused the pass to be thrown to the other side of the field 3.) you either enforce a rule or it shouldn't be a rule...

 

 

this whole post is stupid; if Freeney gets to the QB, or the Colts score more points, whatever, then they win the game. If you are going to blame penalties then you might as well check your integrity at the door... outside of the hoocholi call and the end of the 11/10 game (where it didn't matter anyway), I can't think of anything too embarassing this year in the NFL And two mistakes out of 1,000,000 plays ain't that bad...

 

 

now the push off call on Djax by the cheater steelers three years ago, that was a crime... j/k

[NewbieJr 541]

We're still open and turning a profit

Umm, congratulations?

 

Patrick Swayze has cancer and I don't. I guess I'm better than him.

[roroco 75]

Umm, congratulations?

 

Patrick Swayze has cancer and I don't. I guess I'm better than him.

Given the choice, I would still rather be Patrick Swayze...

[NewbieJr 541]

Given the choice, I would still rather be Patrick Swayze...

I guess I could have chosen to be more of a 'winner' in life and chose to work at McDonalds or Walmart. They're still doing great.

[FlaHawker 24]

Umm, congratulations?

 

Patrick Swayze has cancer and I don't. I guess I'm better than him.

Comparing yourself to a cancer patient? Wow, you have hit rock bottom. But then again for you, that wasn't much of a fall.