Moreno or Wells - Bigger 2009

[karmarooster 0]

Ok so which rookie RB puts up bigger stats THIS SEASON? (PPR)

 

Some things to consider... Moreno has to contend with Buckhalter and Arrington stealing 3rd down duty, and Hillis possibly stealing goal-line carries. But he should have the advantage over Wells in receptions.

 

Wells' two problems are Hightower and the Warner/Fitz/Boldin combo. The cards will throw the ball alot, but defenses will know that and have difficulty focusing on the run. He's clearly more talented than Hightower, so maybe he won't lose that many carries. I see he breaking more long runs than Moreno... he's got speed, will never see 7 or even 6.5 guys in the box, and Boldin and Fitz are pretty good down the field blockers.

 

So who has the better year?

 

Projections:

Moreno - 900 yards rushing, 6 TDs, 40 recptions, 300 yards

Wells - 1200 yards rushing, 8 TDs, 10 receptions, 80 yards

[shovelheadt 71]

The disparity in receptions might not be as much as people think. I heard multiple comments during the draft concerning Wells and how well he caught the ball at his pro day. I say Wells gets better stats, but not by as much as you listed. Those are fairly stellar totals for any back, let alone a rookie.

[wickerkat 0]

wells - all things equal, look at the surrounding players - with warner, fitz and boldin, ari will be a threat, den has orton now, who can NOT throw the long ball

 

wells

[CanadiansforBrowns 0]

wells - all things equal, look at the surrounding players - with warner, fitz and boldin, ari will be a threat, den has orton now, who can NOT throw the long ball

 

wells

 

 

Orton not throwning the long ball will help Moreno with check down grabs. Even still, I'd take Beanie to have a big rookie year in Arizona

[gram 0]

its hard to tell. beanie will be splitting carries...who knows how good a running scheme mcdaniels will have. if shany was still there i would actually side w/denver...the other rbs there are down right mediocre at best. i am leaning more towards beanie

[jerryskids 6,790]

The Cards have not historically used or been effective with RB screens and dumps, so edge to Moreno for PPR. But, new OC, we'll see.

 

That being said, Whis and Grimm want to pound the bejeebus out of the ball. It's in their DNA. If Wells is effective/healthy, he will get the ball early and often. Hightower proved he isn't an every down back; he couldn't beat out a done Edge. He'll steal a few GL carries, but so will Hillis and/or the bazillion other backs there.

 

At the end of the day, I avoid Denver RBs like a messican farmer who just french kissed a pig. Maybe it will be different under McDaniels, but that guy looks lost already.

 

Wells.

[edjr 6,580]

Cards lost the SuperBowl last year, look for them to have a pathetic year. and they are the cardinals afterall.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

wells - all things equal, look at the surrounding players - with warner, fitz and boldin, ari will be a threat, den has orton now, who can NOT throw the long ball

 

wells

 

Dont you think that the fact that Orton had a terrible o-line and no recievers to work with played a little bit into the fact that he couldnt throw a deep ball. I think that with the WR's that denver has there is no way that teams will be able to stack 8 in the box on a regular basis against denver.

 

Plus with hardly any talent last season Denver managed to have the #12 rushing game in the country, and that is even more impressive when you remember that they were in lots of high scoring games and had to abandon the run in the second half quite a bit. Denver has a top 5 offensive line in the league, if Moreno is the real deal he has top 3 ceiling.

[shutdown 40]

Ok so which rookie RB puts up bigger stats THIS SEASON? (PPR)

 

Some things to consider... Moreno has to contend with Buckhalter and Arrington stealing 3rd down duty, and Hillis possibly stealing goal-line carries. But he should have the advantage over Wells in receptions.

 

Wells' two problems are Hightower and the Warner/Fitz/Boldin combo. The cards will throw the ball alot, but defenses will know that and have difficulty focusing on the run. He's clearly more talented than Hightower, so maybe he won't lose that many carries. I see he breaking more long runs than Moreno... he's got speed, will never see 7 or even 6.5 guys in the box, and Boldin and Fitz are pretty good down the field blockers.

 

So who has the better year?

 

Projections:

Moreno - 900 yards rushing, 6 TDs, 40 recptions, 300 yards

Wells - 1200 yards rushing, 8 TDs, 10 receptions, 80 yards

 

 

Of those two I'd take Moreno because I like Denver's O-line over Zona's and though I think both had injury issues in college, I fear that Wells' condition could be one that he never fully overcomes and will limit his availability.

 

Given a choice longterm, I'd go with Donnie Brown. At the very least he's a TD Vulture in a high scoring offense as Addai is useless inside the 5. With Addai penchant for injury he could be quite productive in his first season. I think he gets at least 40% of the workload as I think the colts realize that Addai isnt a 20 touch per game player. I think Brown like Addai did a few seasons ago, comes into a great offense and has NFL skills (receiving and blocking) that will get him involved in the game immediately.

[the_risen_demon 0]

That being said, Whis and Grimm want to pound the bejeebus out of the ball. It's in their DNA. If Wells is effective/healthy, he will get the ball early and often. Hightower proved he isn't an any down back; he couldn't beat out a done Edge. He'll steal a few GL carries, but so will Hillis and/or the bazillion other backs there.

 

Fixed.

[karmarooster 0]

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[Big_Pete 0]

Broncos homer here, so take this with a grain of salt, but I pick Moreno. He will get a TON of screen passes, and I think he'll be a 15-18 carry per game back. It's also not known how the goal-line carries will be split. A lot of people are still acting as if Shanahan is the coach, and that could be their downfall when it comes to evaluating Moreno's roll.

[kennybanya 0]

Of those two I'd take Moreno because I like Denver's O-line over Zona's and though I think both had injury issues in college, I fear that Wells' condition could be one that he never fully overcomes and will limit his availability.

 

Given a choice longterm, I'd go with Donnie Brown. At the very least he's a TD Vulture in a high scoring offense as Addai is useless inside the 5. With Addai penchant for injury he could be quite productive in his first season. I think he gets at least 40% of the workload as I think the colts realize that Addai isnt a 20 touch per game player. I think Brown like Addai did a few seasons ago, comes into a great offense and has NFL skills (receiving and blocking) that will get him involved in the game immediately.

 

I like Wells over Moreno because of the mess in Denver right now, but I absolutely agree about Brown. Addai is a solid back who fell into a great system and is at his best when sharing time. I think Brown will prove to be a better all-around back who will dominate at the goal line and finish off games after Peyton and company have built leads. He could be Indy's next Edge, which is pretty damn good.

[edjr 6,580]

If Shanny and Cutler had stayed with Denver this would be a nobrainer, but look for McDaniel to use 4 different backs a game.

 

I say Wells

[Doozer 0]

Wells has no RBBC imo, Arrington/James are out of the picture and hightower was ridiculously ineffective last year. Wells is a top talent and was knocked for durability issues when he missed... 3 games in 3 years. Conversely, McDaniels has a lot of running backs, and in NE he has been known to enjoy RBBC.

Cardinals also threw the ball so much because they were so ineffective on the ground. Wells is the back that changes that imo.

[Yippie Skippy 0]

I too would take Moreno. Moreno will have more touches IMO. I'd also take D Brown over Wells.

[The Moz 69]

as a pure runner - as Good as Wells looked in some runs I will claim even here. Moreno played in the toughest conference and If you watch him he has great stop / start ability - Wells has a GREAT power / speed combo. Bith are very good pure runners

 

Pass Protection - very important in the NFL for RBs - HUGE edge to Moreno

 

Receiving - Huge edge to Moreno as he is a really good pass catcher for an RB

 

Style of offense in college - UGA ran a pro style offense and Moreno ran many plays he will runn on the next level. OSU is a great college football machine and runs something close but no quite IMO..

 

Denver will look to justify the selection at 1.12 -- I would look for a semi RBBC with Buckhalter to begin until Moreno gets his feet wet then pretty much Arrington and Buck will be on spell duty.

 

I can see a 1,250 yd and 9 scores with another 45 rec and 400 yds.

 

For Wells - right now at least he is a 2 down back and Hightower while ineffective somewhat running has shown a penchant for receiving and will be involved in 3rd downs. I thik Wells also has a nice rookie season of 1050 yds and 11 scores

[madd futher mucker 36]

as a pure runner - as Good as Wells looked in some runs I will claim even here. Moreno played in the toughest conference and If you watch him he has great stop / start ability - Wells has a GREAT power / speed combo. Bith are very good pure runners

 

Pass Protection - very important in the NFL for RBs - HUGE edge to Moreno

 

Receiving - Huge edge to Moreno as he is a really good pass catcher for an RB

 

Style of offense in college - UGA ran a pro style offense and Moreno ran many plays he will runn on the next level. OSU is a great college football machine and runs something close but no quite IMO..

 

Denver will look to justify the selection at 1.12 -- I would look for a semi RBBC with Buckhalter to begin until Moreno gets his feet wet then pretty much Arrington and Buck will be on spell duty.

 

I can see a 1,250 yd and 9 scores with another 45 rec and 400 yds.

 

For Wells - right now at least he is a 2 down back and Hightower while ineffective somewhat running has shown a penchant for receiving and will be involved in 3rd downs. I thik Wells also has a nice rookie season of 1050 yds and 11 scores

 

Very nice analysis. I see it point-for-point exactly the same way, although I can't yet project such a healthy stat line, it easily COULD happen. I just don't see how they can keep a do-everything back like Moreno in a RBBC. Yes they will spell him some, but unless McDunce is dumber than even I believe he is, they've got to play their only stud RB.

 

So my only question for The Moz is: If someone traded Wells for Moreno, would you ask the board if this was collusion?

[Gepetto 1,368]

So my only question for The Moz is: If someone traded Wells for Moreno, would you ask the board if this was collusion?

 

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Last time I checked Arizona still has Warner and Fitz and still will be passing it all around the joint. Add in the fact that the line opens up zero holes for RBs and I have my answer.

 

I will assume both will start come regular season.

 

Moreno, more carries and catches. If Wells plugs a bunch of TDs in from the 1 than maybe he has a chance.

[shutdown 40]

Last time I checked Arizona still has Warner and Fitz and will be still passing it all around the joint. Add in the fact that the line opens up zero holes for RBs and I have my answer.

 

I will assume both will start come regular season.

 

Moreno, more carries and catches. If Wells plugs a bunch of TDs in from the 1 than maybe he has a chance.

 

 

They had those guys last year and couldn't run the ball. I don't think their O-line is built for a consistent ground game. Hightower looked like a decent RB at times but had no place to run. I'm not sure Wells will fare any better this year if the O-line still can't run block.

[VaTerp 0]

as a pure runner - as Good as Wells looked in some runs I will claim even here. Moreno played in the toughest conference and If you watch him he has great stop / start ability - Wells has a GREAT power / speed combo. Bith are very good pure runners

 

Pass Protection - very important in the NFL for RBs - HUGE edge to Moreno

 

Receiving - Huge edge to Moreno as he is a really good pass catcher for an RB

 

Style of offense in college - UGA ran a pro style offense and Moreno ran many plays he will runn on the next level. OSU is a great college football machine and runs something close but no quite IMO..

 

Denver will look to justify the selection at 1.12 -- I would look for a semi RBBC with Buckhalter to begin until Moreno gets his feet wet then pretty much Arrington and Buck will be on spell duty.

 

I can see a 1,250 yd and 9 scores with another 45 rec and 400 yds.

 

For Wells - right now at least he is a 2 down back and Hightower while ineffective somewhat running has shown a penchant for receiving and will be involved in 3rd downs. I thik Wells also has a nice rookie season of 1050 yds and 11 scores

 

Atcually agreee with Moz on most of this.

 

I really dont have a good feel for either RB right now. Both are talented but Im not sold on either. Moreno is more versatile and durable? and I still think Denver will have the better running game despite all the questions. So Id go with him.

[Ras66not99 0]

Broncos homer here, so take this with a grain of salt, but I pick Moreno.

HAHA.... Always love BIG PETE'S Homerism !!!! I'm not ripping your pick there Pete, just love that ya bleed Blue and Orange... always vision you as that guy in the commercial that gets the packers sweater for Xmas and cuts his finger on the box and it bleeds yellow and green....

 

Anyway About the Wells/Moreno thing, I watched Arizona religiously last season (Warner owner) and with that short passing game they seemed to to get inside the 5 yard line LIKE NO OTHER !!!!! And usually inside the 2..... Beanie should be able to score a bunch of Td's this year... I mean Hightower was pure trash last year and the guy punched in 11..... I see Beanie going for a grand and at least 10 TD's.... which isn't bad for a rook....

 

Wouldn't shock me if Moreno had a monster season either... guy "reminds" me of Walter Peyton for some reason when he runs.. homie has passion and always keeps those legs churning...

 

I just can't pick one I think they're both solid plays for 09

[typhus 13]

Not trying to bust the topic, but some ral value could be getting Buckhalter late in most drafts.

Rooks no matter what the grade, usually loose some steam during the season and are often dinged up a bit, so I wouldnt put it past Buck to get his fair share.

If hes sitting there in the 10th round of my drafts, Im taking him easily.