Arizona State chick to get scholarship revoked?

[Big Blue 06 195]

Link is SFW, but for God's sake, don't click play on the video that is embedded.

 

Long and short, this ASU chick did one of those casting couch pron vidoes and in the beginning, she flashed her ASU ID card. She then went on to do anal and ATM/facial. There is now a backlash by some alumnus/boardmembers to have her $32,000 a year scholarship revoked. Where do you stand on this?

 

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/reader-email-asu-trying-to-revoke-scholarship-of-freshman-who-made-a-porno/

 

Reader Email

 

Liz Hawkenson, is a freshman at ASU who did an ‘interview’ with backroom casting coach and even signed a waiver to allow the video to be posted. Now several ASU alum are calling for the revocation of her $32,000 New American Scholar Award:

 

Arizona Board of Regents

2020 N. Central Avenue

Suite 230

Phoenix, AZ 85004-4593

 

RE: Elizabeth A. Hawkenson (Copperas Cove, Texas), 2010 ASU Freshman Class

 

Distinguished Regents,

 

I am writing to express my shock and horror at the public conduct of a member of Arizona State University’s 2010 freshman class, Elizabeth A. Hawkenson of Copperas Cove, Texas. This person recently appeared in an internet video in which she identified herself by name, showed her ASU student ID card, then proceeded to engage in explicit and degrading sexual activities with a stranger. She was paid for the act and signed a waiver allowing the video to be posted on the internet.

 

As an ASU alumnus, I object to Ms. Hawkenson’s choice to identify herself as an ASU student in a pornographic video that is available to the general public. I feel that which clearly violates the ASU Student Code of Conduct.

 

On behalf of my fellow ASU alumni, I demand that Ms. Hawkenson’s $32,000 New American Scholar Award be revoked immediately. A young woman who brings shame on her university in such a public and degrading way does not deserve the financial support of that university.

 

Yours Sincerely,

 

Anonymous ASU Alumnus

 

 

 

 

Ah one of the great debates of our generation. Should you lose your scholarship for doing casting couch porn? Great philosophers from Aristotle to Socrates have debated this very issue. Therefore it’s not surprising that this letter is replacing the Duke Lacrosse powerpoint as the hottest thing on the Internet right now. Obviously I did some research and found the video on pornhub for everybody to watch and draw their own conclusions from. Because to be uninformed is to be ignorant. Anyway after carefully studying the film I can confirm that she did in fact show her ASU ID card and she did in fact get drilled in the ass. So the question now becomes does she deserve to have her scholarship pulled for it? For me it boils down to what she got the scholarship for in the first place Like was it an academic scholarship? Or was it for being a respectable chick, having great character and representing the University a certain way? Regardless though I won’t do a thing until the coward who wrote this letter signs their name to it. I mean say whatever you want about Elizabeth Hawkenson, but at least she has the balls to get ###### on camera and stand by it. None of this anonymous ######. That has to count for something

[DanXIII 8]

It's their money, they can do what they want with it, including withholding it for whatever fickle reason they deem appropriate.

 

I would imagine that an attorney will take her case on contingency should they revoke her scholarship and she decides to sue, however, so the school will pay either way.

 

[edjr 6,592]

no video

[Strike 5,547]

She shouldn't have shown her school ID. Once she did that she focked herself. I have no problem if they choose to revoke her scholarship. If she hadn't shown her ID I'd be choosing the other side of this issue.

[edjr 6,592]

She shouldn't have shown her school ID. Once she did that she focked herself. I have no problem if they choose to revoke her scholarship. If she hadn't shown her ID I'd be choosing the other side of this issue.

[DankNuggs 305]

She shouldn't have shown her school ID. Once she did that she focked herself. I have no problem if they choose to revoke her scholarship. If she hadn't shown her ID I'd be choosing the other side of this issue.

Agreed, she indentified herself as an ASU student, not as just a regular consenting individual. Im sure their is a student code of conduct at ASU like other schools that talks about conduct detrimental to the school. This would be classified in that category.

[DanXIII 8]

I don't see what her showing the school ID had to do with it other than pissing off a few alumni. AFAIK Arizona State is a public university. Eminent domain dictates that she can show her ID whenever she wants, wherever she wants. That doesn't mean her actions won't offend someone and lead to her losing a scholarship she never had an inherent right to in the first place.

 

[DanXIII 8]

Agreed, she indentified herself as an ASU student, not as just a regular consenting individual. Im sure their is a student code of conduct at ASU like other schools that talks about conduct detrimental to the school. This would be classified in that category.

 

If this was the case they'd be talking about kicking her out of school, not just revoking her scholarship. I don't think it's been alleged anywhere that she violated any code of conduct policy...and any such policy at a public university would probably be illegal/unconstitutional anyway on free speech grounds.

 

[DankNuggs 305]

I don't see what her showing the school ID had to do with it other than pissing off a few alumni. AFAIK Arizona State is a public university. Eminent domain dictates that she can show her ID whenever she wants, wherever she wants. That doesn't mean her actions won't offend someone and lead to her losing a scholarship she never had an inherent right to in the first place.

 

Schools have their own disciplinary authority which Im sure they can use at their discretion.

[DankNuggs 305]

If this was the case they'd be talking about kicking her out of school, not just revoking her scholarship. I don't think it's been alleged anywhere that she violated any code of conduct policy...and any such policy at a public university would probably be illegal/unconstitutional anyway on free speech grounds.

 

Not sure, I went to a private university so the differences might be huge, but I think i even signed a code of conduct contract with my admissions acceptance back in the day.

[DanXIII 8]

Not sure, I went to a private university so the differences might be huge, but I think i even signed a code of conduct contract with my admissions acceptance back in the day.

 

It is very different for private schools. I'm pretty sure this issue was settled already in court though the name of the case escapes me. It was something to do with a girl getting kicked out of a public university for appearing in one of those "Girls of the (insert conference)" spreads in Playboy I think.

 

[The Elevator Killer 554]

She should have just said I'm a MUA student.

[pimptastic69 0]

I don't see what her showing the school ID had to do with it other than pissing off a few alumni. AFAIK Arizona State is a public university. Eminent domain dictates that she can show her ID whenever she wants, wherever she wants. That doesn't mean her actions won't offend someone and lead to her losing a scholarship she never had an inherent right to in the first place.

 

 

Do you work for the ACLU?

[DanXIII 8]

Do you work for the ACLU?

 

No.

 

I decided during my 3L year that the last thing I ever want to be is an attorney.

 

[Strike 5,547]

I don't see what her showing the school ID had to do with it other than pissing off a few alumni. AFAIK Arizona State is a public university. Eminent domain dictates that she can show her ID whenever she wants, wherever she wants. That doesn't mean her actions won't offend someone and lead to her losing a scholarship she never had an inherent right to in the first place.

 

 

Eminent Domain? Care to explain that one?

[The Elevator Killer 554]

No.

 

I decided during my 3L year that the last thing I ever want to be is an attorney.

 

 

Way to hold on to that amature douche status.

[Frank M 181]

Amateur pron

 

That's not saying I won't watch it later at home, though.

[DanXIII 8]

Eminent Domain? Care to explain that one?

 

Actually it's more like the reverse of eminent domain. Public domain would have been a better choice of words. It's the same concept that allows you or me to use images of our favorite school on a Web site. Nobody "owns" the images on her student ID card because it is a public university. There was nothing illegal about her using it the way she did.

 

[DanXIII 8]

Way to hold on to that amature amateur douche status.

 

Thanks for your support!

 

[JT 137]

http://students.asu.edu/files/StudentCodeofConduct.pdf

 

ASU Code of Conduct

[The Elevator Killer 554]

Thanks for your support!

 

 

[Frank M 181]

http://students.asu....deofConduct.pdf

 

ASU Code of Conduct

 

I guess she could technically be in trouble for these:

 

8. Forgery, falsification, fabrication, unauthorized alteration, or misuse of campus documents, records, or identification, including, but not limited to, electronic software and records.

 

 

10. Unauthorized access to, disclosure of, or use of any university document, record, or identification, including but not limited to, electronic software, data, and records.

 

 

17. Off-campus conduct that a reasonable person would believe may present a risk or danger to the health, safety or security of ABOR or university community or to the safety or security of ABOR or university property.

 

23. Engaging in any illegal sexual offense, including but not limited to, sexual assault, public sexual indecency, or indecent exposure. (Making pron is illegal in a lot of places)

 

[DanXIII 8]

I guess she could technically be in trouble for these:

 

8. Forgery, falsification, fabrication, unauthorized alteration, or misuse of campus documents, records, or identification, including, but not limited to, electronic software and records.

 

 

10. Unauthorized access to, disclosure of, or use of any university document, record, or identification, including but not limited to, electronic software, data, and records.

 

 

17. Off-campus conduct that a reasonable person would believe may present a risk or danger to the health, safety or security of ABOR or university community or to the safety or security of ABOR or university property.

 

23. Engaging in any illegal sexual offense, including but not limited to, sexual assault, public sexual indecency, or indecent exposure. (Making pron is illegal in a lot of places)

 

 

The only possible violation I can see is with the ID card, and that's if the university considers it university (rather than student) property. It's a stretch to say that her simply holding the card up to a video camera constitutes "misuse." There is nothing here to indicate that what she did was illegal. I don't think it's illegal even in Arizona for consenting adults to film themselves having butsecks. It might be illegal to distribute the film, but they'd have to prove that she was involved in its distribution. She certainly wasn't putting anyone at ASU in harm's way by having bukkake butsecks. Maybe sodomy is still illegal in Arizona.

 

In any event, they aren't talking about kicking her out of school, they're talking about taking away her scholarship. They may not even have to give a reason for doing this. Athletic scholarships are taken away from athletes who suck (no pun intended) on the football field every year.

 

[Strike 5,547]

Actually it's more like the reverse of eminent domain. Public domain would have been a better choice of words. It's the same concept that allows you or me to use images of our favorite school on a Web site. Nobody "owns" the images on her student ID card because it is a public university. There was nothing illegal about her using it the way she did.

 

 

Actually is has nothing to do with either Eminent Domain or Public Domain. I suspect your "decision" not to pursue law had more to do with your inability to grasp it's concepts than anything else. Let me ask you this. Do you think the school is compensated when Nike sells jerseys with the University's logo on it? I mean, it's you know, public domain and all. Clearly anyone can use it for any purpose they see fit, right?

[DanXIII 8]

Actually is has nothing to do with either Eminent Domain or Public Domain. I suspect your "decision" not to pursue law had more to do with your inability to grasp it's concepts than anything else. Let me ask you this. Do you think the school is compensated when Nike sells jerseys with the University's logo on it? I mean, it's you know, public domain and all. Clearly anyone can use it for any purpose they see fit, right?

 

She's not selling T-shirts, Hefty. Nor is she indicating in the video that the school in any way endorses her actions or is sponsoring them. In fact, there is no indication here that she is profiting in any way from the use of the school's logo or that the school itself is being substantially harmed by her flashing her ID card. Google "fair use doctrine."

 

What if she had flashed her Social Security card? Should she send a check to the gubmint? How about her state issued driver's license? Should the DMV get a check? Do you send your alma mater a check every time someone takes a picture of you wearing your DeVry University t-shirt?

 

IP law clearly isn't your strong suit. Stick to poker.

 

[Strike 5,547]

She's not selling T-shirts, Hefty. Nor is she indicating in the video that the school in any way endorses her actions or is sponsoring them. In fact, there is no indication here that she is profiting in any way from the use of the school's logo or that the school itself is being substantially harmed by her flashing her ID card. Google "fair use doctrine."

 

What if she had flashed her Social Security card? Should she send a check to the gubmint? How about her state issued driver's license? Should the DMV get a check? Do you send your alma mater a check every time someone takes a picture of you wearing your DeVry University t-shirt?

 

IP law clearly isn't your strong suit. Stick to poker.

 

 

Nope. If it's public domain it doesn't matter what the purpose is. And, of course, let's not forget that this whole tangent started with you claiming it was eminent domain, and it sure as hell isn't that!!! Stick to whatever it is you chose after being kicked out of law school.

[Strike 5,547]

Works are in the public domain if they are not covered by intellectual property rights at all, if the intellectual property rights have expired, and/or if the intellectual property rights are forfeited. Examples include the English language, the formulae of Newtonian physics, as well as the works of Shakespeare and the patents over powered flight.

[DanXIII 8]

I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly? My misuse of terminology aside, what she did falls under fair use.

 

I'm sorry you were wrong when you insinuated that she violated IP law by showing her student ID card in the video. It doesn't mean you are (necessarily) a failure at life.

 

Oh, and I wasn't "kicked out" of law school, fat ass, I graduated, but I appreciate your ongoing interest in my academic pursuits.

 

When can we expect another pledge drive for a dead Geek, by the way?

 

[Strike 5,547]

I thought fat people were supposed to be jolly? My misuse of terminology aside, what she did falls under fair use.

 

I'm sorry you were wrong when you insinuated that she violated IP law by showing her student ID card in the video. It doesn't mean you are (necessarily) a failure at life.

 

Oh, and I wasn't "kicked out" of law school, fat ass, I graduated, but I appreciate your ongoing interest in my academic pursuits.

 

When can we expect another pledge drive for a dead Geek, by the way?

 

 

LOL. So it went from Eminent Domain to Public Domain, and now it's fair use? Wow, how wrong can a person be and still act so pompous? We got another Torrid on our hands here!!!!

 

 

:pointstosky:

[Mungwater 597]

I saw her vid on spankwire, I'm on my phone, so no link..

 

Wasn't that good, but has to be a nice story to share for the family

[DanXIII 8]

LOL. So it went from Eminent Domain to Public Domain, and now it's fair use? Wow, how wrong can a person be and still act so pompous? We got another Torrid on our hands here!!!!

 

 

:pointstosky:

 

You're like a less funny version of Recliner Pilot.

 

"My misuse of terminology aside, what she did falls under fair use." I'm not sure what part of that you misunderstand. I clearly acknowledged my mistake, at least I thought I did. I checked and, indeed, the logo on the ID card is trademarked by ASU. That said, it doesn't mean she did violated any laws by showing the card.

 

[DanXIII 8]

I saw her vid on spankwire, I'm on my phone, so no link..

 

Wasn't that good, but has to be a nice story to share for the family

 

Agreed, not much worth seeing there. It could have been much better.

 

[Strike 5,547]

You're like a less funny version of Recliner Pilot.

 

"My misuse of terminology aside, what she did falls under fair use." I'm not sure what part of that you misunderstand. I clearly acknowledged my mistake, at least I thought I did. I checked and, indeed, the logo on the ID card is trademarked by ASU. That said, it doesn't mean she did violated any laws by showing the card.

 

 

I doubt this falls under fair use either, but I'm not gonna debate that with you. Look how long it took you just to admit this wasn't eminent domain. And, as one last note, no one has said she violated any laws, nor did she need to in order for them to revoke her scholarship. This would fall under contract law, another subject I'm sure you failed.

[NorthernVike 2,087]

I'd fock her

 

 

 

Oh wait, I kinda just did

[edjr 6,592]

Excuse me for being 3/4 retarded.

 

Where is the video

[Big Blue 06 195]

Excuse me for being 3/4 retarded.

 

Where is the video

 

While I won't dispute the retarded claim, this time you're in the clear. The link was supposed to have the vid, but apparantly it does not. I would link it here, but I'm at work as well, so I'll do it later. I saw it on spankwire as well the other day and it was just meh.

[DanXIII 8]

Excuse me for being 3/4 retarded.

 

Where is the video

 

Hit her up! She will probably link you to it.

 

https://webapp4.asu.edu/directory/person/1378009

 

 

Also it's on pornohub

[kilroy69 1,251]

You could tell she was used to having her ass banged. She didnt even flinch when he dropped it in. Funny though. She questioned everything at every level........and still went along.

[joneo 556]

Dear "Anonymous ASU Alumnus",

 

You are a focking hypocrite. While it's OK for a former alumni to surf the pron sites, you find it offensive that a student is the one who is providing your "disgusting" entertainment. Show your name Mr. or Miss Do-Gooder. Here's a better idea. MIND YOUR OWN FOCKING BUSINESS!

[Strike 5,547]

This story reminds me of the Libby Hoeller story a number of years ago. This will follow this chick for the rest of her life.