R.I.P. Recliner Pilot

[MedStudent 56]

Is that supposed to have some bearing here? I despise Harry Reid; I think he's a corrupt and manipulative turd. It is my own personal opinion.

 

What's the issue?

 

The issue is that you are being a hypocrite. You have your panties in a bunch because someone called Sharron Angle a nut. But you have called Harry Reid a jackass and a clown.

 

You complain about biased character assassination from the left, but you do the same thing from the right.

[MDC 5,895]

They have voted Reid in repeatedly in Arizona, and Biden in Delaware, so I wouldn't exactly crow about the intuitive instincts of the voters in either place, MDC.

 

Republican Mike Castle had led Coons by double digits in nearly every poll and would've been a shoe-in in Delaware if he didn't lose the primary to O'Donnell. Angle should have been a shoe-in during a year when anti-incumbent and anti-Democratic sentiment was at an alltime high, but voters decided they'd rather stick with the devil they know than the weirdo who wants saunas and massages in prison. Go figure.

 

Not sure what you can say here. WND was just one of many links I offered - that link in particular was chosen. The information was everywhere. Can you stop being dishonest about sources, and refute content? Or no?

 

WND is a wingnut publication that feeds propaghanga to wingnuts. Why am I not surprised that a Sharron Angle supporter reads WND? They probably think inmates need more sauna baths, too.

[IMMensaMind 459]

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/risk/abortion-miscarriage

 

And after peer review, they found no such link.

 

Maybe you should ask FrankM to explain to you how the peer review process works.

 

Nice Googling, FeelingMN. Nice tone, too. I know what peer review is; I know how it works. You are aware that peer-review isn't infallible, right? In fact, this topic has been peer-reviewed:

 

In a peer-reviewed medical journal, Karen Malec observed that:[29]

 

Thirty-eight epidemiological studies exploring an independent link [between abortion and] breast cancer have been published. Twenty-nine report risk elevations. Thirteen out of 15 American studies found risk elevations. Seventeen studies are statistically significant, 16 of which report increased risk.

Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., F.A.C.S., a specialist in breast cancer an a clinical assistant professor of surgery at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, has explained the physiology and epidemiology of the abortion-breast cancer link. She made the following observation:[30]

 

This past August in Minneapolis, Patrick Carroll, director of the Pension and Population Research Institute of London, presented a paper to the largest gathering of statisticians in North America. He showed that abortion was the best predictor of breast cancer in Britain. Breast cancer is the only cancer in Britain which has its highest incidence and mortality rate among the upper rather than lower social classes. Abortion before a full term pregnancy and late pregnancy were the best explanations for this incidence. He also found that there had been a 70% increase risk of breast cancer between 1971 and 2002 and that for women between 50 and 54 years of age incidence was highly correlated with abortion.

 

 

The opening paragraph of your link states this:

 

Introduction

 

A womans hormone levels normally change throughout her life for a variety of reasons, and these hormonal changes can lead to changes in her breasts. Many such hormonal changes occur during pregnancy, changes that may influence a womans chances of developing breast cancer later in life. As a result, over several decades a considerable amount of research has been and continues to be conducted to determine whether having an induced abortion, or a miscarriage (also known as spontaneous abortion), influences a womans chances of developing breast cancer later in life.

 

Your link also says that offers another link, to continue being updated on further studies. This is hardly a topic which is closed, is it? In fact, here's a link which says that the proper thing to do is to inform women that such claims are not ridiculous, and it includes further links of accredited organizations which endorse such a warning.

 

Either way, I know little about the topic: I just posted information that leads one to believe that holding the position does not make one "nuts". I think I made that point.

 

Do you want to cede that point, or do you want to continue to spout off at me? Why defend MDC for his claim that Angle is "nuts"?

[FeelingMN 273]

I didn't refer to it as "autism", you did. Don't you remember the post you put up? I was explaining what she was doing. I'm not defending her - she may be mistaken, regardless of her position on that issue (and I don't really know) - I'm here to refute the ridiculous notion you libs love throwing out that she's (or any other opponent) is nuts.

 

This is what you said: She used "air quotes" because of all the crap that is now covered under the guise of "autism" in insurance claims. Not just an actual diagnosis of autism.

 

You used the phrase under the guise of "autism" to differentiate from an actual diagnosis of autism. Your words.

 

Now....maybe you can enlighten us what exactly all the crap that gets covered under autism consists of? What is it that gets treated as autism which is not actually autism? Do tell.

 

You're trying to shove me into a box with her, as if I have to agree with everything she said in order to defend against a charge of insanity.

 

That's ridiculous.

 

Jesus....people called her nuts. It's a manner of speech. They think her views are unsubstantiated and extreme....and her comments on autism and abortion seem to qualify. What's wrong with saying....she said some sh!t she shouldn't have, and it cost her. Instead you say.....at least she's being honest.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Republican Mike Castle had led Coons by double digits in nearly every poll and would've been a shoe-in in Delaware if he didn't lose the primary to O'Donnell. Angle should have been a shoe-in during a year when anti-incumbent and anti-Democratic sentiment was at an alltime high, but voters decided they'd rather stick with the devil they know than the weirdo who wants saunas and massages in prison. Go figure.

 

So? I never argued this. Either way, Delaware is a very liberal state. That's the only way to explain Biden's continued election. Castle wasn't conservative enough for a large segment of people.

 

We don't need another RINO in Washington mucking up the works for Republicans; that's part of how the Republicans lost their identity as fiscally conservative. She lost: big deal. The seas are changing regardless.

 

WND is a wingnut publication that feeds propaghanga to wingnuts. Why am I not surprised that a Sharron Angle supporter reads WND? They probably think inmates need more sauna baths, too.

 

Then choose another one of the myriad links I offered that aren't WMD that said the exact same thing. Your deflection isn't important, and extremely juvenile. WMD is just another site that I don't care about.

[IMMensaMind 459]

This is what you said: She used "air quotes" because of all the crap that is now covered under the guise of "autism" in insurance claims. Not just an actual diagnosis of autism.

 

You used the phrase under the guise of "autism" to differentiate from an actual diagnosis of autism. Your words.

 

Now....maybe you can enlighten us what exactly all the crap that gets covered under autism consists of? What is it that gets treated as autism which is not actually autism? Do tell.

 

 

 

Jesus....people called her nuts. It's a manner of speech. They think her views are unsubstantiated and extreme....and her comments on autism and abortion seem to qualify. What's wrong with saying....she said some sh!t she shouldn't have, and it cost her. Instead you say.....at least she's being honest.

 

I'm not continuing this deflection from the point I made. I don't care about her comments on autism. Her position, from what I understand, is that leftist legislators were trying to create all sorts of mandatory coverage under the general category of "autism" (air quotes), when it was illegitimate and sneaky to do so.

 

I don't know. All I'm pointing out about that is that that is what it appears she meant to express. It has nothing to do with her being nuts whatsoever. She may be mistaken, but that doesn't approach the zipcode of nuts.

 

Neither does the belief that all conceived children - regardless the circumstance - should be granted the right to life.

 

You disagree - that's your right. But you're going to continue to get slapped down hard if you insist upon calling someone like that "nuts". They're not; they simply disagree with you.

[posty 2,296]

But you have called Harry Reid a jackass.

 

Well Reid is a Democrat, right? What was the logo of the Democratic party before they changed it to the "Circle D"?

 

So technically, he is right...

[MedStudent 56]

Well Reid is a Democrat, right? What was the logo of the Democratic party before they changed it to the "Circle D"?

 

So technically, he is right...

 

Elephants like nuts too.

[IMMensaMind 459]

The issue is that you are being a hypocrite. You have your panties in a bunch because someone called Sharron Angle a nut. But you have called Harry Reid a jackass and a clown.

 

You complain about biased character assassination from the left, but you do the same thing from the right.

 

I need links to the jackass and clown stuff. I don't remember in what context that was said. I'll comment when I see what you're talking about. I'll preliminarily say this, though:

 

Calling her "nuts" is a reference to the illegitimacy of her positions. Calling Reid a "jackass and a clown" references personal dislike. There is a difference. It may be splitting hairs with you, but it's a difference. In fact, the difference is quantifiable: I was able to refute the claim that someone is nuts by demonstrating that the positions they hold have logical bases.

 

There is no equivalent position for defense of someone being called a "jackass" or a "clown" because of personal dislike. T

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

The issue is that you are being a hypocrite. You have your panties in a bunch because someone called Sharron Angle a nut. But you have called Harry Reid a jackass and a clown.

 

You complain about biased character assassination from the left, but you do the same thing from the right.

Mensa is completely ignoring you here. By his membername and the way he tries to communicate, his "shtick" is to try to be the intelligent one who's above the name calling and will offer a voice of reason. But that lasted about one day, since you've already proved his hypocracy. A clown indeed.

[FeelingMN 273]

Nice Googling, FeelingMN. Nice tone, too.

 

The opening paragraph of your link states this:

 

Sometimes, it helps to read past the opening paragraph:

 

The relationship between induced and spontaneous abortion and breast cancer risk has been the subject of extensive research beginning in the late 1950s. Until the mid-1990s, the evidence was inconsistent. Findings from some studies suggested there was no increase in risk of breast cancer among women who had had an abortion, while findings from other studies suggested there was an increased risk. Most of these studies, however, were flawed in a number of ways that can lead to unreliable results. Only a small number of women were included in many of these studies, and for most, the data were collected only after breast cancer had been diagnosed, and women’s histories of miscarriage and abortion were based on their “self-report” rather than on their medical records. Since then, better-designed studies have been conducted. These newer studies examined large numbers of women, collected data before breast cancer was found, and gathered medical history information from medical records rather than simply from self-reports, thereby generating more reliable findings. The newer studies consistently showed no association between induced and spontaneous abortions and breast cancer risk.

 

Maybe Angle hadn't been privvy to the more recent research. I'm sure she would have changed her views if she had.....unless....unless she's guilty of....buzzword please....confirmation bias too.

 

 

 

Either way, I know little about the topic:

 

She said some sh!t people didn't like. It cost her the election. I mean, you of all people should know full well what happened in America last night. Teanami was a phrase I think someone used. And the two Tea Partiers who are on the outside looking in today? Why is that?

 

The point is, she should have stuck to her guns like a good Tea Partier and rattled off info about fiscal responsibility and smaller government. She got backed into a corner talking about sh!t she had no clue about;

 

 

Either way, I know little about the topic

 

Kinda like you.

[posty 2,296]

Elephants like nuts too.

 

Very true... I guess everyone loses then...

[The Pope 8]

2. By educated in Florida, I assume (because once again you are not being "clear") you mean high school. WRONG!

 

 

Congrats on your sixth grade education there Jethro.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Sometimes, it helps to read past the opening paragraph:

 

The relationship between induced and spontaneous abortion and breast cancer risk has been the subject of extensive research beginning in the late 1950s. Until the mid-1990s, the evidence was inconsistent. Findings from some studies suggested there was no increase in risk of breast cancer among women who had had an abortion, while findings from other studies suggested there was an increased risk. Most of these studies, however, were flawed in a number of ways that can lead to unreliable results. Only a small number of women were included in many of these studies, and for most, the data were collected only after breast cancer had been diagnosed, and women’s histories of miscarriage and abortion were based on their “self-report” rather than on their medical records. Since then, better-designed studies have been conducted. These newer studies examined large numbers of women, collected data before breast cancer was found, and gathered medical history information from medical records rather than simply from self-reports, thereby generating more reliable findings. The newer studies consistently showed no association between induced and spontaneous abortions and breast cancer risk.

 

Maybe Angle hadn't been privvy to the more recent research. I'm sure she would have changed her views if she had.....unless....unless she's guilty of....buzzword please....confirmation bias too.

 

 

You certainly seem to get worked up about ancillary points, don't you? Do you believe you're helping display that Angle was nuts, or - at the worst - not fully informed?

 

At the least, your own link states that this information is not definitive as yet. It's not ridiculous to hold the position if the information you're gathering counters other studies that have been peer-reviewed. In fact, if you're a critical thinker (like I am), you wonder if someone is ginning the data due to some sort of political influence - and we all know just how provocatively influential this topic is in politics, don't we?

 

I suspect shenanigans; just like I do when I see contradictory information wrt MMGW. The jury is out, and that's fine: the best you did here was attempt to form an argument that she's not informed. Even that can be questioned due to the legitimacy, and anti-falsifiability of this data.

 

Either way, MDC claimed a) nuts and without any basis whatsoever. We've established both as utterly false.

 

She said some sh!t people didn't like. It cost her the election. I mean, you of all people should know full well what happened in America last night. Teanami was a phrase I think someone used. And the two Tea Partiers who are on the outside looking in today? Why is that?

 

Who cares? These were candidates with baggage. They lost - and they lost to two candidates who had to spend record amounts in order to beat even these flawed candidates. I'm not defending anything but an inaccurate charge. That they barely squeaked by such candidates should speak more to the trouble that remains for these winners than it does anything else.

 

The point is, she should have stuck to her guns like a good Tea Partier and rattled off info about fiscal responsibility and smaller government. She got backed into a corner talking about sh!t she had no clue about;

 

Kinda like you.

 

You wouldn't have the fortitude to continue to insult me in person. I'm done with your insults. One more, and you're ignored, because there is no point in talking with someone who cannot keep it civil. I'm too busy and too restrained to also have to put up with that BS.

[FeelingMN 273]

I'm not continuing this deflection from the point I made. I don't care about her comments on autism. Her position, from what I understand, is that leftist legislators were trying to create all sorts of mandatory coverage under the general category of "autism" (air quotes), when it was illegitimate and sneaky to do so.

 

I don't know. All I'm pointing out about that is that that is what it appears she meant to express. It has nothing to do with her being nuts whatsoever. She may be mistaken, but that doesn't approach the zipcode of nuts.

 

Neither does the belief that all conceived children - regardless the circumstance - should be granted the right to life.

 

You disagree - that's your right. But you're going to continue to get slapped down hard if you insist upon calling someone like that "nuts". They're not; they simply disagree with you.

 

Link to me calling her nuts? I said she made some unreasonable statements....specifically on autism and abortion. Since you cannot defend her position on these issues, how could they be considered otherwise? And considering the political sea change that took place last night, the one Democrat that survived....easily....against a Tea Party opponent? Harry Motherfocking Reid!

 

This was a slam dunk for the TP. You think everything except Angle had to do with Reid winning re-election. You're either being disingenuous or you're a zealot.

[MDC 5,895]

Either way, MDC claimed a) nuts and without any basis whatsoever. We've established both as utterly false.

 

All we've established is that you tolerate extremist and in some case demonstrably false views if they come from a Republican.

 

You wouldn't have the fortitude to continue to insult me in person.

 

The old tough guy routine now - love it.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

 

 

You wouldn't have the fortitude to continue to insult me in person. I'm done with your insults. One more, and you're ignored, because there is no point in talking with someone who cannot keep it civil. I'm too busy and too restrained to also have to put up with that BS.

Who posted in: R.I.P. Recliner Pilot

Member name Posts

Willis McGahee's Dentist 19

IMMensaMind 18

MedStudent 14

MDC 13

FeelingMN 12

 

Hahaha. Real busy. And every one of them have been grandstanding multiquotes and chest thumping. Oh, and trying to tell us all the difference between calling someone nuts and calling them a clown. God, you're a pompous tool. How much would you post if you weren't busy?

[FeelingMN 273]

At the least, your own link states that this information is not definitive as yet.

 

Where does it say this?

[DAVID RUFFIN 1]

 

Hopefully this will get rid of Flahawker and drobeski as well, since they won't have any more threads to run into saying "yeah, what he said!"

 

 

Flahawker and drobeski are both Recliner lite. I don't think either one has added and original thought since I've been here. I want the real deal back.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

 

 

The old tough guy routine now - love it.

MensaMania isn't just the smartest guy on the board, he's also the toughest. Practically the perfect male speciman. I'd like to marry him someday.

[FeelingMN 273]

Who posted in: R.I.P. Recliner Pilot

Member name Posts

Willis McGahee's Dentist 19

IMMensaMind 18

MedStudent 14

MDC 13

FeelingMN 12

 

Hahaha. Real busy. And every one of them have been grandstanding multiquotes and chest thumping. Oh, and trying to tell us all the difference between calling someone nuts and calling them a clown. God, you're a pompous tool. How much would you post if you weren't busy?

 

[MDC 5,895]

MensaMania isn't just the smartest guy on the board, he's also the toughest. Practically the perfect male speciman. I'd like to marry him someday.

 

Be careful: He learned mixed martial arts from a book he read in between posting on FFT.

 

Mensa doesn't call names. He just kicks ass.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

Flahawker and drobeski are both Recliner lite. I don't think either one has added and original thought since I've been here. I want the real deal back.

So true. Flahawker has about three things he does. The eyeroll, telling people they aren't as educated as him, and the namecall.

Drobeski thinks everyone who opposes what he likes has 'envy' and denies that he's fat (despite the pictures to the contrary). Oh, and he likes the emoticon.

 

But you're right, I've never seen an original thought or an intelligent sentence from either of them.

[IMMensaMind 459]

All we've established is that you tolerate extremist and in some case demonstrably false views if they come from a Republican.

 

How have you established that? I've called Angle possibly mistaken - and that's not my state. The word "extremist" could be attached to your positions, for crissakes, couldn't it?

 

The old tough guy routine now - love it.

 

Truth hurts. No way does someone do that to me in person; they wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. I'm 43. If you think that's old, I cry for your (short) future.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Where does it say this?

 

It offers a link to follow ongoing information on this topic as it develops. It is not yet definitive.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Who posted in: R.I.P. Recliner Pilot

Member name Posts

Willis McGahee's Dentist 19

IMMensaMind 18

MedStudent 14

MDC 13

FeelingMN 12

 

Hahaha. Real busy. And every one of them have been grandstanding multiquotes and chest thumping. Oh, and trying to tell us all the difference between calling someone nuts and calling them a clown. God, you're a pompous tool. How much would you post if you weren't busy?

 

I have time right now to post. When I post, I want it to be quality posting, with quality people. You either choose to be a quality contributor, or you choose to be a tool.

 

Choose wisely.

[MDC 5,895]

How have you established that? I've called Angle possibly mistaken - and that's not my state. The word "extremist" could be attached to your positions, for crissakes, couldn't it?

 

I can't think of any view that I have or have expressed here that's as far out of the mainstream as forcing rape victims to give birth or installing saunas in prison.

 

Truth hurts.

 

Not as much as a Chuck Norris style roundhouse kick to the head by MensaClown.

 

[IMMensaMind 459]

MensaMania isn't just the smartest guy on the board, he's also the toughest. Practically the perfect male speciman. I'd like to marry him someday.

 

Hm. Some do call me the perfect male specimen, yes. I'm not comfortable hearing that from you, though...

 

[IMMensaMind 459]

I can't think of any view that I have or have expressed here that's as far out of the mainstream as forcing rape victims to give birth or installing saunas in prison.

 

Hm. I actually cannot think of a view you've expressed here. I took that to mean that your views are so whacked that you're afraid to share them.

 

Not as much as a Chuck Norris style roundhouse kick to the head by MensaClown.

 

 

Hey - whatever gets the job done. Never insult me in person, should be your mantra. Stock up online; it's all you'll get.

[IMMensaMind 459]

Oh - and just so you you IMMensaMind sycophants are well-informed: I'm off to take care of some business. You know, the thing where successful people make money so that we have the freedom to do things we want to do, while being forced these days to defend our gains from pious leftists who think they're entitled to the fruits of other people's labors?

 

I know...foreign to you. Maybe when you're out of school you'll get clued in...

 

[MedStudent 56]

I need links to the jackass and clown stuff. I don't remember in what context that was said. I'll comment when I see what you're talking about. I'll preliminarily say this, though:

 

Calling her "nuts" is a reference to the illegitimacy of her positions. Calling Reid a "jackass and a clown" references personal dislike. There is a difference. It may be splitting hairs with you, but it's a difference. In fact, the difference is quantifiable: I was able to refute the claim that someone is nuts by demonstrating that the positions they hold have logical bases.

 

There is no equivalent position for defense of someone being called a "jackass" or a "clown" because of personal dislike. T

 

Go to post 110 on page 3 of this thread.

 

You are taking the literal meaning of the word nuts. I could do the same thing with the word clown. Is Harry in the Circus! Outrage! He is a jackass! Does he have a tail? I consider anyone who supports the church of scientology to be a liitle out there or nuts. Sharron fits the bill.

[MDC 5,895]

Hm. I actually cannot think of a view you've expressed here. I took that to mean that your views are so whacked that you're afraid to share them.

 

Ask away. I'd consider myself a pragmatist and a moderate.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

 

 

 

Truth hurts. No way does someone do that to me in person; they wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. I'm 43. If you think that's old, I cry for your (short) future.

 

I LOOOOOOVE the tough guy shtick. My absolute messageboard favorite. I love the internet. A Mensa member with MMA skills. Wow, what a catch.

[shovelheadt 62]

He leaves the bored forever motherfocker! He wanted to bet! I ended him! I took the big gamble and I won! They all called me crazy but I was crazy like a fox!

 

Too funny

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Mensa is completely ignoring you here. By his membername and the way he tries to communicate, his "shtick" is to try to be the intelligent one who's above the name calling and will offer a voice of reason. But that lasted about one day, since you've already proved his hypocracy. A clown indeed.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

I would lay low if I were you. If he wants that member name, he'll just beat it away from you. You better stay on his good side.

[MDC 5,895]

 

I LOOOOOOVE the tough guy shtick. My absolute messageboard favorite. I love the internet. A Mensa member with MMA skills. Wow, what a catch.

 

He's also hung like Peter North and retired from the CIA.

[Frank M 181]

You wouldn't have the fortitude to continue to insult me in person. I'm done with your insults. One more, and you're ignored, because there is no point in talking with someone who cannot keep it civil. I'm too busy and too restrained to also have to put up with that BS.

 

I'd insult you directly to your face.

 

Right after I punched it in front of your wife and kids.

[Willis McGahee's Dentist 61]

I'd insult you directly to your face.

 

Right after I punched it in front of your wife and kids.

Does anyone else have an uneasy feeling in their stomach wondering how dead Frank M is when MensaMan sees this post?

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

She was nuts-enough that even Reid could beat her. And regardless of your overall feelings on abortion, if anyone thinks they should be illegal even in rape cases, then they are, in fact, nuts. How can any sane person really believe a rape victim should then also be forced to have a baby. Hey, at least she's not a witch.

I respectfully disagree. In fact, I have more respect for someone with that belief than someone who makes the exception for rape or incest. I'll explain my position....

 

If one believes that abortion is murder/taking of an innocent life/etc, than in no case can you agree to take that innocent life without becoming at least an unknowing hypocrite. If you believe the life created is innocent, and you believe it wrong to end that life, then under no circumstances can it be ok to do so. This belief does not make one a nut. It makes them consistent with their beliefs. You may disagree with them, but it doesn't make them a nut.

 

Is Sharon Angle a nut? I don't know. But what I do know is that this one belief does not make her so.

 

All that said....Nevada is indeed....full of nuts!