Eagles to put franchise tag on Vick; trade Kolb

[GobbleDog 1,001]

How long will Vick's legs last?

[WhiteWonder 2,824]

What i really, really, really don't understand is how people, philly fans, and the Eagles organization are fooling themselves into thinking Michael Vick is a championship type, franchise QB even though we have SEEN THIS BEFORE.

 

We've seen him shock the league with his legs and athleticism, be a medoicre or below passer and not win big games.

 

He spends time in jail, gets older and all of a sudden hes a different player?

 

Vick is going to sell tickets, and hes a damn good football player who will win games, sometimes single handedly. But hes not what you want to build a franchise around and hes not winning you any titles.

[FlaHawker 24]

But hes not what you want to build a franchise around and hes not winning you any titles.

Is that what your magic 8 ball told you?

[WhiteWonder 2,824]

Is that what your magic 8 ball told you?

 

 

are you on my dick again or am I to believe we are no longer allowed to make predictions based on a very real body of work?

 

[JT 137]

What i really, really, really don't understand is how people, philly fans, and the Eagles organization are fooling themselves into thinking Michael Vick is a championship type, franchise QB even though we have SEEN THIS BEFORE.

 

We've seen him shock the league with his legs and athleticism, be a medoicre or below passer and not win big games.

 

He spends time in jail, gets older and all of a sudden hes a different player?

 

Vick is going to sell tickets, and hes a damn good football player who will win games, sometimes single handedly. But hes not what you want to build a franchise around and hes not winning you any titles.

 

What I really, really don't understand is how you can look at a guy who, after 3 plus years away from the game dramatically outperformed any of his previous career passing numbers, and say something as silly as we've SEEN THIS BEFORE.

 

He was a far better than mediocre passer this season. Compare to any other QB playing, as well as with any season throughout his career.

 

While it flies in the face of everything we believe that we know about athletes, athletics and the human body, only someone with an axe to grind and/or a closed mind could say that he didn't come out of jail older and a different player.

 

Finally, what does putting the franchise tag on a guy who is playing at a level unmatched by 90% of the QB in the game, have to do with building a franchise? Philly has been notoriously stingy with long term deals for aging players. I would fully expect that after next season they'll regard a 32 year old running QB as a bad long term investment. But if you can get another year of Vick the way he played this year, you take it. They'll keep Kolb unless someone makes a stupid offer, have a solid backup for a QB who plays risky at times, and still have the young guy they went into this year projecting as their QB of the future.

[MDC 7,590]

Vick is going to sell tickets, and hes a damn good football player who will win games, sometimes single handedly. But hes not what you want to build a franchise around and hes not winning you any titles.

 

He's no Trent Dilfer, that's for sure.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

are you on my dick again or am I to believe we are no longer allowed to make predictions based on a very real body of work?

 

 

FlaHawker just can't get enough d!ck. It isn't his fault--he has a disease or something. It may be terminal.

[WhiteWonder 2,824]

What I really, really don't understand is how you can look at a guy who, after 3 plus years away from the game dramatically outperformed any of his previous career passing numbers, and say something as silly as we've SEEN THIS BEFORE.

 

He was a far better than mediocre passer this season. Compare to any other QB playing, as well as with any season throughout his career.

 

While it flies in the face of everything we believe that we know about athletes, athletics and the human body, only someone with an axe to grind and/or a closed mind could say that he didn't come out of jail older and a different player.

 

Finally, what does putting the franchise tag on a guy who is playing at a level unmatched by 90% of the QB in the game, have to do with building a franchise? Philly has been notoriously stingy with long term deals for aging players. I would fully expect that after next season they'll regard a 32 year old running QB as a bad long term investment. But if you can get another year of Vick the way he played this year, you take it. They'll keep Kolb unless someone makes a stupid offer, have a solid backup for a QB who plays risky at times, and still have the young guy they went into this year projecting as their QB of the future.

 

first, i said weve seen him be a medioce passer. When he was a Falcon. He was a better passer this year but nothing spectacular. Overall he was an improvement on his Falcon days but again, toward the end of the season, not so much. He lookes alot more like the old Vick in the last month+. Was it defenses figuring him out again?

 

I don't at all buy the notion that prison and time away from the game has made him a different player. Slightly better? Maybe. Different? No. Its still the same playstyle. Teams fear his legs. They fear what he opens up with his scrambling.

[giraldi02 476]

that's a lot of words to point out a team sucks

 

Quite the educated and well thought out response. Anyone that can fool themselves into believing that ANY 10+ win team in the NFL "sucks" is either trolling, fishing, or just doesn't understand professional football.

 

And in regards to my aforementioned post, I pointed out the inconsistencies and reoccurring problems that led to Vick's late season struggles. Leading into the Green Bay playoff game, everyone kept talking about Woodson and Matthews blitzing the Eagles relentlessly, however the Packers' game plan was to make Vick go through the motions and defeat them by taking his second or third primary options. He never did, and as a result, they had to play from behind yet again.

 

In regards to what the OP's topic, as I said before, the Eagles are going to have both Kolb and Vick on their roster unless another team offers an unbelievable offer.

 

What has Kolb done to prove he is worth anymore than a third or fourth round pick? Donovan, a proven above average QB gets a 2nd and a 4th... Yet Kolb should get more than this because he is turning 27 and has done nothing in this league outside of being highly valued by the Eagles management?!

 

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. Kolb's done nothing, any team that gives up more than a second is foolish imo, and no team will imo.

 

A.J. Feeley netted the Eagles a 2nd rounder with less than six career starts. You're telling me that Kolb is viewed by NFL GM's as being worse than AJ Feeley? What did Matt Schaub ever do in the NFL before the Texans gave up two 2nd round picks and swapped the 8th pick for the 10th pick in the 2007 draft? Matt Schaub had a total of 161 passes in the NFL before that trade. As for what the Eagles got for Donovan McNabb, you clearly saw what the product on the field was worth. The Eagles got a steal in that trade. Remember that if McNabb was what the Redskins had envisioned, they were willing to give a 2nd and a 3rd round pick for him as that 4th round pick was a conditional 3rd. But you're right of course. A team like the Bills, Dolphins, 49ers, Vikings, Seahawks, Titans, or Bengals would be stupid to possibly consider giving up a couple draft picks for a quarterback. After all, there are so many great possibilities in the draft....

[Stewburtx8 67]

What i really, really, really don't understand is how people, philly fans, and the Eagles organization are fooling themselves into thinking Michael Vick is a championship type, franchise QB even though we have SEEN THIS BEFORE.

 

We've seen him shock the league with his legs and athleticism, be a medoicre or below passer and not win big games.

 

He spends time in jail, gets older and all of a sudden hes a different player?

 

Vick is going to sell tickets, and hes a damn good football player who will win games, sometimes single handedly. But hes not what you want to build a franchise around and hes not winning you any titles.

 

 

Us Eagles fans must just be jealous that we can't build our franchise around Mark Sanchez

 

I don't think Eagles fans are suggesting we just throw a huge 5 or 6 year deal at Vick. But it would also be completely foolish to not go in to 2011 with Michael Vick as their starting QB. And yes I do believe his time in prison has made him a much more mature person and player.. Which in turn has led to him putting in A LOT more time in the film room and on the practice field. In Atlanta he was the last one there and the first one to leave. in Philly he has consistently been one of the first players there and one of the last ones to leave. Big difference in his preparation.

[Stewburtx8 67]

The Eagles, with a below average defense, below average offensive line, and below average coach on game day, barely lost in the last minute to the team that is favored to win the Super Bowl right now. Lets blame Michael Vick and claim he's still the same QB he was in Atlanta!

[drobeski 3,061]

The Eagles, with a below average defense, below average offensive line, and below average coach on game day, barely lost in the last minute to the team that is favored to win the Super Bowl right now. Lets blame Michael Vick and claim he's still the same QB he was in Atlanta!

Eagles fans are funny ....they refuse to blame Vick even though he threw the game ENDING interception.

Tardss...

[MDC 7,590]

Eagles fans are funny ....they refuse to blame Vick even though he threw the game ENDING interception.

Tardss...

 

I blame the Pats' loss on Tom Brady swallowing loads before the game.

[donhaas 18]

The Eagles, with a below average defense, below average offensive line, and below average coach on game day, barely lost in the last minute to the team that is favored to win the Super Bowl right now. Lets blame Michael Vick and claim he's still the same QB he was in Atlanta!

 

I disagree that the Eagles have a below average defense.... they might not have big names, but they have good coaching and good schemes and they do have some talent....

 

Yes, the line is not that great but that's where Vick's great scrambling comes into play...

 

No, Reid is not a below average coach on game day.... he may miss a challenge here or there, but his play-calling is good and is as knowlegeable as any coach in the league on how to play to his team's strengths and exploit the other teams' weaknesses...

 

This being said, Vick has amazing offensive talent around him which you failed to mention...

I am on the side that defenses have started to figure him out, but even with that, he's better than Kolb IMHO....

 

The Eagles are playing this exactly right by franchising him. The worst thing that can happen is that Vick sucks next year and they still have Kolb.

The best thing that can happen is that Vick has another great year

 

Either way... the Eagles will still have that good young offensive skill position nucleus for years to come...

[Stewburtx8 67]

I disagree that the Eagles have a below average defense.... they might not have big names, but they have good coaching and good schemes and they do have some talent....

 

Yes, the line is not that great but that's where Vick's great scrambling comes into play...

 

No, Reid is not a below average coach on game day.... he may miss a challenge here or there, but his play-calling is good and is as knowlegeable as any coach in the league on how to play to his team's strengths and exploit the other teams' weaknesses...

 

This being said, Vick has amazing offensive talent around him which you failed to mention...

I am on the side that defenses have started to figure him out, but even with that, he's better than Kolb IMHO....

 

The Eagles are playing this exactly right by franchising him. The worst thing that can happen is that Vick sucks next year and they still have Kolb.

The best thing that can happen is that Vick has another great year

 

Either way... the Eagles will still have that good young offensive skill position nucleus for years to come...

 

 

I agree with some of what you said and disagree with some other things.

 

I'm sorry but the Eagles defense was NOT good this year. They were dead last in the league in red zone defense. They could not keep teams from scoring touchdowns. The key to the past Jim Johnson defenses was the "bend but don't break" mantra. This 2010 Eagles defense under McDermott just broke. They were 21st in the NFL in points per game allowed. They were opportunistic and did create turnovers, but when you can't keep the other team out of the end zone at crucial times, that's a killer.

 

I also don't agree on Andy Reid. I used to be a huge Andy Reid fan, but the last few years I've grown a little tired of the "same old." The playcalling is extremely inconsistent. The offense was boom or bust for much of the season. If the big plays were there, the offense thrived, but when teams took away the big plays, Reid and Morningweg are incapable of committing to any kind of running game and/or short passing game. Lesean McCoy averaged over 5 yards per carry this season, he needs to get more than 12 carries per game when the situation calls for it. Reid is also terrible at clock management and 4th quarter situations. Akers shouldn't have been in position to miss those FG's, because I think going for it was the better decision in both cases. The Minnesota game was a disgrace. The team wasn't prepared and that's on Reid. He also made some terrible decisions to punt late in that game. If the Eagles win that game, they are likely the #2 seed, and then things might of played out much differently.

 

I agree that Vick has very good skill position players around him. I stated that in one of my posts above. With these skill players, there is no reason a player of Vick's talent can't continue to thrive. I also agree that franchising him is the correct call, as long as the franchise tag is still available in the new CBA. Good luck in the Super Bowl. The Pack playing the Steelers is one of the few matchups where I'll root for the Packers.

[FlaHawker 24]

or am I to believe we are no longer allowed to make predictions based on a very real body of work?

 

Make all the predictions you want but as usual your prediction is built on, oh yea, NOTHING. Not one fact to support your point that Vick will never win a SB. And if Vick doesn't win a SB, is it really all on his shoulders? Do the other players, coaches, and management, injuries, etc.. have nothing to do with a player winning a SB? It must be tough walking around with all that meat between your ears.

[Stewburtx8 67]

Eagles fans are funny ....they refuse to blame Vick even though he threw the game ENDING interception.

Tardss...

 

 

That interception was a bad throw and an even worse decision to throw it in the first place. That's on Vick. But the Eagles didn't lose that game because of Michael Vick. There were plenty of other reasons...

[drobeski 3,061]

The only possible explanation for the retardedness of eagles fans it white guilt.

[donhaas 18]

The only possible explanation for the retardedness of eagles fans it white guilt.

 

Almost a complete sentence there, kenmuscles.....

You just need a verb...

 

Otherwise, nicely done.... here's a Capri Sun for ya

[drobeski 3,061]

Almost a complete sentence there, kenmuscles.....

You just need a verb...

 

Otherwise, nicely done.... here's a Capri Sun for ya

Is

[donhaas 18]

Is

 

I totally forgot that I used to call you kenmuscles....

We have known each other for sooooo long

 

You are my second-favorite right-wing nutjob/Tom Brady fluffer here and I want you to know that I value the good humor that you provide for me at this site

 

May SkyGhost give the Patriots a new era of prosperity like the one they had so very long ago and may Tom Brady's hairplugs never ever fall out prematurely

[drobeski 3,061]

I totally forgot that I used to call you kenmuscles....

We have known each other for sooooo long

 

You are my second-favorite right-wing nutjob/Tom Brady fluffer here and I want you to know that I value the good humor that you provide for me at this site

 

May SkyGhost give the Patriots a new era of prosperity like the one they had so very long ago and may Tom Brady's hairplugs never ever fall out prematurely

Also straight men font care about punctuation and grammar on a ff site.

 

Oh and go pack!!!

[GridIronAssassin#1 0]

vick is not elite!

 

Except in fantasy football.

[WhiteWonder 2,824]

Make all the predictions you want but as usual your prediction is built on, oh yea, NOTHING. Not one fact to support your point that Vick will never win a SB. And if Vick doesn't win a SB, is it really all on his shoulders? Do the other players, coaches, and management, injuries, etc.. have nothing to do with a player winning a SB? It must be tough walking around with all that meat between your ears.

 

you're grasping at straws and acting like a child because you have a personal grudge with me.

 

the very definition of a prediction is forcasting or projecting something to happen. Usually using evidence from the past as well as expectations for the future. There is plenty of evidence we can draw from Vicks career to this point to suggest that he isn't the type of passer who is likely to win it all.

 

also, link to me saying it was all on his shoulders? Once again you are putting words in someones mouth. I never said it would be all on Vicks shoulders if they can't win a SB. Football is a team game. I just don't happen to feel he is their best chance for future success.

 

what i find most sad is that you don't even know me, yet you follow me around in every thread quoting me and trying to call me out on "lack of evidence", "link?", "unsubstantiated claims" etc etc, all because I somehow dissed your precious Seahawks. Get over it. You are some kind of pathetic.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

what i find most sad is that you don't even know me, yet you follow me around in every thread quoting me and trying to call me out on "lack of evidence", "link?", "unsubstantiated claims" etc etc, all because I somehow dissed your precious Seahawks. Get over it. You are some kind of pathetic.

 

You must not have met F@gHawker before. Watch out for his retarded cousin Recliner Pilot, who has the same M.O. minus being a Seahawks fan.

[MDC 7,590]

what i find most sad is that you don't even know me, yet you follow me around in every thread quoting me and trying to call me out on "lack of evidence", "link?", "unsubstantiated claims" etc etc, all because I somehow dissed your precious Seahawks. Get over it. You are some kind of pathetic.

 

Although I disagree with your assessment of Vick you just pegged F@ghawker. He is so insecure in himself and his opinions that he'll follow you around for weeks on end if you disagree with him. F@ghawker will try to cover it up with a bunch of insults and "happy" emoticons but deep down you know he's a very sad little man without much of a life away from FFT. He's also the most thin-skinned little poosay on the board who gets his ass kicked on a daily basis.

 

I'd rather put on a Tom Brady jersey and go to a Patriots game with drobeski than spend even five minutes hanging out with a mewling little dooshbag faybo like F@ghawker.

 

[Phurfur 70]

Make all the predictions you want but as usual your prediction is built on, oh yea, NOTHING. Not one fact to support your point that Vick will never win a SB. And if Vick doesn't win a SB, is it really all on his shoulders? Do the other players, coaches, and management, injuries, etc.. have nothing to do with a player winning a SB? It must be tough walking around with all that meat between your ears.

 

 

Mike Vick will never win a SB.

[Col.Walter.E.Kurtz. 0]

I'd be kind of surprised if the Eagles can get a first rounder for Kolb. He's looked good in limited action but he's barely played and the Eagles have really good weapons around him. Teams may be concerned that he's a product of the system. Then again, teams are so starved for quarterbacks that somebody might pull the trigger. Philly got a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley so why not?

 

I'm okay with franchising Vick and giving him another year in the system. I don't think teams figured out Vick so much as they figured out the Eagles predictable offense. By the end of last season every opponent was dropping 7 into coverage and playing safeties a mile off the LOS to take away the deep ball. The total lack of a running game is what hurt Vick more than anything. That and the fact that the Eagles' OL is terrible.

 

I'm not sure how the labor impasse is going to affect free agency but I think the Eagles need a pretty big upgrade at talent at CB $2 and along the right side of the OL, particularly the right tackle spot. They could also use a pass rush. It's really unfortunate that Brandon Graham got injured so late in the season. Overall this team is not too far off talent wise but the offense is predictable and they're soft along both lines.

 

Edit: I think JT is right. Trading Kolb for a high 2nd rounder is a total wash since he's now a 5-year vet and the team invested a lot in coaching him up. They need to get at least a 1st rounder + to make a trade worthwhile but I seriously doubt any team is going to pay such a steep price. He'll end up playing backup this season and the Eagles will give Vick another audition year before deciding on a long-term deal.

 

I personally believe that for fiscal reasons, Kolb needs to be traded. If history plays out, Vick will be here one more year. After that, his age will dictate to the front office that he won't deserve a long term contract (with big signing bonus). Maybe they can franchise him another year, I don't know.

 

So if you have Vick gone after next season, and Kolb appears to again be the heir apparent, he's going to get a new contract and fat signing bonus. Let's not forget that he's already gotten one large $11 million last year for being the back-up.

 

I'm ok with trading Kolb for whatever you can get for him. Obviously, it needs to be for at least a second round pick, or perhaps used in trade to Arizona to move up to #5 overall. I'm more concerned with who they'll bring in as a back-up for next season. I'm also concerned about Kafka, because IMO he's not good enough to be used in a sentence where "future" is discussed. He's not good at all.

 

So on roster additions for next season, my approach (and I've been pretty spot on the past three years) would be:

1. FA signing of Dominic Cromartie. If they are going to overpay for a corner, it'll be for one that is younger than anyone on the market.

2. First round pick (if they remain at current spot) will definitely be Carimi (if he's still there).

3. Winston Justice will be moved to guard and compete with Jean-Gilles for starting spot.

4. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks will be used solely for defensive talent. If you look at the draft prospects, talent at LB can be had in those rounds.

5. They will resign Q. The guy was 2nd team All-Pro last season, and people still think they need to upgrade at the position. I don't get it.

6. Here's the wildcard. Eagles sign FA QB Matt Leinert to back-up Vick. If you think about it, he is someone who fits a WCO to a tee. Accurate short passer who's also LEFT HANDED. It simply adds to the continuity of the offense. The lefty thing is a big deal because it does affect playcalling, pass protection, field position, etc.

7. Eagles make a FA play for Cullen Jenkins. They can line him up inside or outside, depending on down/distance/personnel on field. Don't forget, Graham is coming back from an ACL tear and will need alot of ramp up time. Pretty apparent they need substantial talent on the DL. Cullen can be had, although they'll need to overpay.

8. Resign Desean. He doesn't warrant top 5 WR money, but he deserves to be paid well for what he brings to the team. I hope he's able to check his ego at the door when contract negotiations start. "You want top 5 money, try being on the field for at least 15 games a season."

 

End of the day, the defense needs talent. The offense needs continuity. Most notably, Reid and Marty need to recognize they have a talented back in McCoy, who needs to be involved in the offense alot more. As with McNabb, Reid gets all wrapped up in the physical skills of his QB, not realizing the effects it has on the rest of the offense.

 

The head coach needs a labotomy, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

[Col.Walter.E.Kurtz. 0]

I agree with some of what you said and disagree with some other things.

 

I'm sorry but the Eagles defense was NOT good this year. They were dead last in the league in red zone defense. They could not keep teams from scoring touchdowns. The key to the past Jim Johnson defenses was the "bend but don't break" mantra. This 2010 Eagles defense under McDermott just broke. They were 21st in the NFL in points per game allowed. They were opportunistic and did create turnovers, but when you can't keep the other team out of the end zone at crucial times, that's a killer.

 

I also don't agree on Andy Reid. I used to be a huge Andy Reid fan, but the last few years I've grown a little tired of the "same old." The playcalling is extremely inconsistent. The offense was boom or bust for much of the season. If the big plays were there, the offense thrived, but when teams took away the big plays, Reid and Morningweg are incapable of committing to any kind of running game and/or short passing game. Lesean McCoy averaged over 5 yards per carry this season, he needs to get more than 12 carries per game when the situation calls for it. Reid is also terrible at clock management and 4th quarter situations. Akers shouldn't have been in position to miss those FG's, because I think going for it was the better decision in both cases. The Minnesota game was a disgrace. The team wasn't prepared and that's on Reid. He also made some terrible decisions to punt late in that game. If the Eagles win that game, they are likely the #2 seed, and then things might of played out much differently.

 

I agree that Vick has very good skill position players around him. I stated that in one of my posts above. With these skill players, there is no reason a player of Vick's talent can't continue to thrive. I also agree that franchising him is the correct call, as long as the franchise tag is still available in the new CBA. Good luck in the Super Bowl. The Pack playing the Steelers is one of the few matchups where I'll root for the Packers.

One of the things that truly shocked me this year was Vick's accuracy. He can be a very accurate passer when his footwork is right. I have to believe that another year of work is only going to help him improve on that aspect of his game.

 

You are spot on about Reid. However, I don't believe he has the full support of ownership like he's always had, and I believe another first round playoff loss with questionable regular season gaffes will be his downfall.

 

He hasn't improved as a coach, and I believe that as time goes on, the players will no longer respond to him.

 

And for as bad as the defense played last season, the fact that they still could have beaten the Pack in the playoff game is a testament to the young talent they possess.

[JT 137]

I personally believe that for fiscal reasons, Kolb needs to be traded. If history plays out, Vick will be here one more year. After that, his age will dictate to the front office that he won't deserve a long term contract (with big signing bonus). Maybe they can franchise him another year, I don't know.

 

So if you have Vick gone after next season, and Kolb appears to again be the heir apparent, he's going to get a new contract and fat signing bonus. Let's not forget that he's already gotten one large $11 million last year for being the back-up.

 

I'm ok with trading Kolb for whatever you can get for him. Obviously, it needs to be for at least a second round pick, or perhaps used in trade to Arizona to move up to #5 overall. I'm more concerned with who they'll bring in as a back-up for next season. I'm also concerned about Kafka, because IMO he's not good enough to be used in a sentence where "future" is discussed. He's not good at all.

 

So on roster additions for next season, my approach (and I've been pretty spot on the past three years) would be:

1. FA signing of Dominic Cromartie. If they are going to overpay for a corner, it'll be for one that is younger than anyone on the market.

2. First round pick (if they remain at current spot) will definitely be Carimi (if he's still there).

3. Winston Justice will be moved to guard and compete with Jean-Gilles for starting spot.

4. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks will be used solely for defensive talent. If you look at the draft prospects, talent at LB can be had in those rounds.

5. They will resign Q. The guy was 2nd team All-Pro last season, and people still think they need to upgrade at the position. I don't get it.

6. Here's the wildcard. Eagles sign FA QB Matt Leinert to back-up Vick. If you think about it, he is someone who fits a WCO to a tee. Accurate short passer who's also LEFT HANDED. It simply adds to the continuity of the offense. The lefty thing is a big deal because it does affect playcalling, pass protection, field position, etc.

7. Eagles make a FA play for Cullen Jenkins. They can line him up inside or outside, depending on down/distance/personnel on field. Don't forget, Graham is coming back from an ACL tear and will need alot of ramp up time. Pretty apparent they need substantial talent on the DL. Cullen can be had, although they'll need to overpay.

8. Resign Desean. He doesn't warrant top 5 WR money, but he deserves to be paid well for what he brings to the team. I hope he's able to check his ego at the door when contract negotiations start. "You want top 5 money, try being on the field for at least 15 games a season."

 

End of the day, the defense needs talent. The offense needs continuity. Most notably, Reid and Marty need to recognize they have a talented back in McCoy, who needs to be involved in the offense alot more. As with McNabb, Reid gets all wrapped up in the physical skills of his QB, not realizing the effects it has on the rest of the offense.

 

The head coach needs a labotomy, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

We can go back and forth on the idea of trading Kolb, and I like most of your breakdown. But there's no way in hell you want Leinart. He couldn't handle media pressure as the backup in AZ. Philly would eat him alive. Fast.

 

Amd Rodgers Cromartie can't/won't tackle. Anybody, anytime.

[Phurfur 70]

 

So on roster additions for next season, my approach (and I've been pretty spot on the past three years) would be:

1. FA signing of Dominic Cromartie. If they are going to overpay for a corner, it'll be for one that is younger than anyone on the market.

 

 

Contract Information for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

 

7/25/2008: Signed a six-year, $16 million contract. The deal includes $9 million guaranteed. 2011: $950,000, 2012: $1,128,750, 2013: Free Agent

 

 

[Stewburtx8 67]

I personally believe that for fiscal reasons, Kolb needs to be traded. If history plays out, Vick will be here one more year. After that, his age will dictate to the front office that he won't deserve a long term contract (with big signing bonus). Maybe they can franchise him another year, I don't know.

 

So if you have Vick gone after next season, and Kolb appears to again be the heir apparent, he's going to get a new contract and fat signing bonus. Let's not forget that he's already gotten one large $11 million last year for being the back-up.

 

I'm ok with trading Kolb for whatever you can get for him. Obviously, it needs to be for at least a second round pick, or perhaps used in trade to Arizona to move up to #5 overall. I'm more concerned with who they'll bring in as a back-up for next season. I'm also concerned about Kafka, because IMO he's not good enough to be used in a sentence where "future" is discussed. He's not good at all.

 

So on roster additions for next season, my approach (and I've been pretty spot on the past three years) would be:

1. FA signing of Dominic Cromartie. If they are going to overpay for a corner, it'll be for one that is younger than anyone on the market.

2. First round pick (if they remain at current spot) will definitely be Carimi (if he's still there).

3. Winston Justice will be moved to guard and compete with Jean-Gilles for starting spot.

4. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks will be used solely for defensive talent. If you look at the draft prospects, talent at LB can be had in those rounds.

5. They will resign Q. The guy was 2nd team All-Pro last season, and people still think they need to upgrade at the position. I don't get it.

6. Here's the wildcard. Eagles sign FA QB Matt Leinert to back-up Vick. If you think about it, he is someone who fits a WCO to a tee. Accurate short passer who's also LEFT HANDED. It simply adds to the continuity of the offense. The lefty thing is a big deal because it does affect playcalling, pass protection, field position, etc.

7. Eagles make a FA play for Cullen Jenkins. They can line him up inside or outside, depending on down/distance/personnel on field. Don't forget, Graham is coming back from an ACL tear and will need alot of ramp up time. Pretty apparent they need substantial talent on the DL. Cullen can be had, although they'll need to overpay.

8. Resign Desean. He doesn't warrant top 5 WR money, but he deserves to be paid well for what he brings to the team. I hope he's able to check his ego at the door when contract negotiations start. "You want top 5 money, try being on the field for at least 15 games a season."

 

End of the day, the defense needs talent. The offense needs continuity. Most notably, Reid and Marty need to recognize they have a talented back in McCoy, who needs to be involved in the offense alot more. As with McNabb, Reid gets all wrapped up in the physical skills of his QB, not realizing the effects it has on the rest of the offense.

 

The head coach needs a labotomy, but that's not going to happen anytime soon.

 

 

Nice breakdown. I'll just go in order and add my thoughts:

 

1) I assume you are talking about Antonio Cromartie and not Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie since Rodgers-Cromartie is signed for several years yet. He also isn't very good. I can't see Antonio Cromartie leaving the Jets. He would be a very good signing, but if you are going to spend a lot for another high end corner, it will most likely have to be Asomugha.

 

2) Agree on Cabrimi. The thing with him is that his biggest strength right now is run blocking. He still needs some work in pass protection. But he is pretty close to as NFL ready as they get. He could step right in at RT. Maybe he would give the Eagles more reasons to run the ball more.

 

3) The interior offensive line is a big question besides Herremans. Hopefully Jamaal Jackson can finally get healthy and return a starting Center. That would leave a lot of options at the other guard spot between Jean-Gilles, Justice, Cole, or even Dunlap.

 

4) Defense is the key in the draft again. Get more talent on defense. The offensive line needs some help, but besides that, the skill position players are pretty set.

 

5)+ 8) I think both Jackson and Mikell should get resigned, and in the end, they will get it done with both of them. The Eagles have too many problems in the secondary to let Mikell go. And losing Jackson would be a huge blow to what the offense can do.

 

6) No thanks on Leinart. I'd keep Kolb as the backup unless you get a 1st round pick for him. And if the new CBA isn't settled, you won't be able to trade players for picks. So trading Kolb may not be very easy to do.

 

7) I doubt the Eagles go after Jenkins. He will cost a lot. As stated above, the uncertainty of the CBA may make it hard to sign any free agents this offseason if it drags on in to the summer. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Eagles switch to a 3-4. Graham and Trent Cole would be perfectly suited as OLB's. Bradley and Chaney could they play the inside. Patterson, Bunkley, Parker, etc would play up front. They would definitely need to get a bigger run stuffing NT though. I don't think they'd ever make the switch anyways though.

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This thread is now so much more than what it started out to be. I think Philly should consider trading Kolb if they can get a haul for him. Some teams are desperate for a QB and if Kolb is still a hot enough name, they should consider it. Philly is a good team and could become great in short order with a few solid draft picks, veterans added.

 

The Vick slamfest in here is ridiculous. The guy showed so much more this year than he ever had, and he is on a mission now to become what he was supposed to be when drafted. He's learned from hard lessons and has come back stronger for it. He was thrown into the starting role this year and did a fantastic job. I believe he only gets better because he's committed now.

 

How quickly things change. Now I'm reading from many that Vick has been figured out and will either get hurt or benched because he stinks. I couldn't disagree more and think the Eagles will be a force once again next year.