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Bah, screw 'em all. For the last year us educated fans have thought: "Neither side could actually be stupid enough to jeopardize the most popular league in the country (and maybe the world), right?" Well lo and behold, both sids are actually that stupid. I say let 'em shoot themselves in the foot. We've got March Madness coming up and the NBA is looking somewhat interesting this year. I love football but if this dispute drags on for months and months, I'm moving on from the NFL.

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Just dumb again by the players union. The owners were willing to show 5 years of records and not a budge. These are people playing a game and making multi million dollars. Even the lowest end makes 300K to be a focking long snapper or a 3rd stringer. Yet they b!tch. Okay football players careers are shorter than most sports - then stay in fockign college and get a damn degree for after football. They whine all day about they put their lives on the line - please check the great amount of money our soldiers make , Iron workers make , cops make , etc - they have a much more dangerous job then a damn football player. The players whine about the owners make so much and boo hoo it's not fair -- they are buisnessman who own a team you are their employee deal with it.

I'll be the first to admit that players, across all sports, make way too much money in comparison to hard working citizens of this country. But it's called business.

 

When you are the face of a $9 billion dollar industry - you're going to make millions of dollars. There are 2 reasons why the NFL is a $9 billion dollar industry - the players & the fans.

 

It's a 2-way street. Fans don't want to pay for mediocre football. We want the best of the best. We want the Peyton Manning's, Tom Brady's Larry Fitzgerald's, not the JaMarcus Russell's and Darius Heywood Bays. That gives these players all the leverage over the owners. Despite what you may think, they are irreplaceable, simple as that. And somehow, us fans are willing to pay the tax money, willing to pay for expensive tickets, willing to subscribe to NFL Ticket, willing to buy team merchandise, to help build a $9 billion industry.

 

And oh yeah, those owners really work extremely hard at owning a football team to make all those billions, they need even more money! :rolleyes:

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There are 32 NFL teams - the owners should all be gazillionairs as far as I'm concerned, they've earned it, it's a business, and they are making a huge profit just like the oil companies. We worry about 9 billion, what about Exxon? Kudus to the owners. If I had the money, I would love to own a team, but I don't. The players are employees of the owner/team plain and simple. They get paid well, they need to obligate their contract, and play football until their contract ends. Why should an employee I hire have the rights to see my confidential books? No focking way. I'm taking the owners side in this argument. They are the bosses what more is there to say?

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I'm taking the owners side in this argument. They are the bosses what more is there to say?

 

If the decertification is upheld, the owners are going to have a hard time proving they won't be in violation of antitrust laws...at least according to historical precedent.

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If the decertification is upheld, the owners are going to have a hard time proving they won't be in violation of antitrust laws...at least according to historical precedent.

 

 

somebody is making a lot of money. Who should it be? The owners, the players, or the tv stations? Apparently now, it's going to be the lawyers of course.

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somebody is making a lot of money. Who should it be? The owners, the players, or the tv stations? Apparently now, it's going to be the lawyers of course.

 

It's all about the money.

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There are 32 NFL teams - the owners should all be gazillionairs as far as I'm concerned, they've earned it, it's a business, and they are making a huge profit just like the oil companies. We worry about 9 billion, what about Exxon? Kudus to the owners. If I had the money, I would love to own a team, but I don't. The players are employees of the owner/team plain and simple. They get paid well, they need to obligate their contract, and play football until their contract ends. Why should an employee I hire have the rights to see my confidential books? No focking way. I'm taking the owners side in this argument. They are the bosses what more is there to say?

 

What about Green Bay, they are non-profit.

 

Their books are open.

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What about Green Bay, they are non-profit.

 

Their books are open.

 

So the owner doesn't make any money during the year?

 

0 profit 0 loss?

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It's all about the money.

 

 

I know it is. So who should get it?

 

Owners - yes

Verterans - yes

tv - yes, but not real sure how this works

top 20 rookies that have never played a snap making more than most 5 year starters - no

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What about Green Bay, they are non-profit.

 

Their books are open.

 

What's your point? :dunno:

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I know it is. So who should get it?

 

Owners - yes

Verterans - yes

tv - yes, but not real sure how this works

top 20 rookies that have never played a snap making more than most 5 year starters - no

 

That is so far down the list of things they are fighting about.

 

As we know the the NFLPA disbanded as a union on Friday and is reconstituting itself as a trade assocation. Immediately following that action several NFL players and one rookie sued in federal court to get an injunction to stop several practices which they felt were anti-competitive based on the Sherman anti-trust law and other statutes.

 

The lawsuit identifies the Plaintiffs, and what class they belong to (for class action purposes),and the defendants by name. It then relates relevant history regarding the NFL and it's actions with the players, and explains how the actions taken by the NFL hurt the players. It then lists 5 counts of anti-trust action taken by the NFL, and at the end asks the court for several things.

 

In summary, here are the actions they're asking the court to pursue.

 

1.) An injunction to stop the NFL lockout, plus damages

 

2..) An injunction to stop the draft, plus damages. (This would be this year's draft they're wanting to stop since there's no draft planned for next year and Von Miller would have no legal standing as a plaintiff for the rookies next season).

 

3.) An injunction to stop the use of the franchise tag, plus damages

 

3.) An injunction to stop the use of restricted free agency

 

4.) An injunction to stop use of the salary cap, plus damages.

 

5.) An injunction to force the owners to continue to pay the NFL salaries.

 

 

 

 

 

6.) Enjoining the NFL from agreeing to deprive players of the ability to work, or negotiate the terms of employment

 

7.) Awarding the Plaintiffs and class members treble damages.

 

8.) Awarding Plaintiffs the damages they sustained as a result of the lockout

 

9.) Awarding damages from any loss of money from intereference with contracts (i.e. franchise tag, restricted free agency)

 

10.) Force the owners to pay the salaries of the players are allow the players to nullilfy those contracts.

 

11.) Declaring that the NFL has waived any right to assert antitrust labor exemption based on the claim that the NFLPA decertification is a sham.

 

This is basically trying to prevent the owners from proceeding with a lockout under the assumption that the NFLPA's "trade association" is the same entity as the union and therefore can be treated as such.

 

12.) Awarding costs and attorney fees for the players

 

 

 

 

"Pursuant to Rule 38 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Plaintiffs demand a trial by jury."

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the relevant quotes from the lawsuit for each count of anti-trust.

 

 

 

Count I

118. The "lockout constitutes an agreement among competitors to eliminate competition for the services of major league professional football players in the United States and to refuse to pay contractually-wed compensation to players currently under contract with the NFL Defendants for the 2011 season and beyond, in violation of Section 1 of the Sherman Act.

 

 

 

Count 2

126. The imposition of the Draft with "Entering Player Pool" is an anticompetitive, horizontal agreement between competing NFl teams, which allocates the right to negotiate with and sign rookie professional football players and fixes their wages. The Draft with "Entering Player Pool" is per se unlawful

 

 

 

Count 3

132. The NFL Defendants' imposition of restrictions on competition for player services, such as the Salary Cap, the "Franchise Player" restriction, the "Transition Player" restriction, or other restrictions on player free agency, are part of an overall combination and conspiracy by the NFL Defendants to suppress competition in the Untied States for the services of major league professional football players. These restrictions are intended to fix prices and eliminate competition in a manner that is per se unlawful under Section 1 of the Sherman Act.

 

 

 

Count 4

138. Plaintiffs and the Under-Contract Subclass include players who, as of March 4, 2011, are under contract to play professional football for an NFL team in what would have been the 2011 NFL season and thereafter. Pursuant to the "lockout", the NFL teams will prevent members of the Under-Contract Subclass from working as professional football players and will refuse to pay them the compensation mandated by their existing contracts. The aforesaid conduct violates the individual state contract laws, which apply to these contracts.

 

 

 

Count 5

143. By jointly conspiring and agreeing to impose a "lockout", each of the NFL Defendants intentionally interfered with the rights of Plaintiffs manning, Jackson, Vrabel, Mankins, Leber, and Miller and Free Agent Subclass and Rookie Sublcass members to enter into prospective contracts with NFL teams. Absent these restrictions, these Plaintiffs and subclass members, in reasonable probability, would have entered into contracts with NFL teams.

 

~ninersnation.com

 

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/3/13/2047906/2011-nfl-lockout-tom-brady-et-al-vs-the-nfl

 

There is a link to the full lawsuit at the end of the above article.

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What if the owners simply "dissolve" the league entirely....and create an entirely new entity? Could they do so?

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What if the owners simply "dissolve" the league entirely....and create an entirely new entity? Could they do so?

 

Conceivably I'm sure they could, however much like ochocinqo, I would imagine that they'd have to pay a steep fee for unsold products bearing the NFL logo. They'd have to renegotiate new contracts with all existing business partners I believe as well.

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There are 32 NFL teams - the owners should all be gazillionairs as far as I'm concerned, they've earned it, it's a business, and they are making a huge profit just like the oil companies. We worry about 9 billion, what about Exxon? Kudus to the owners. If I had the money, I would love to own a team, but I don't. The players are employees of the owner/team plain and simple. They get paid well, they need to obligate their contract, and play football until their contract ends. Why should an employee I hire have the rights to see my confidential books? No focking way. I'm taking the owners side in this argument. They are the bosses what more is there to say?

The players are honoring their contracts, and their agreement they made in 2006 (?). It's the owners who are unhappy and opted out of the CBA. What if your boss came to you mid-year and said - jocstrap you need to take a big paycut or I'm firing you...when your company holds a monopoly over a $9 billion industry - and you had been doing your job 100%.

 

But in all seriousness, it's not fair to compare the NFL with your typical business. The NFL acts as a monopoly, thus exposing itself to antitrust laws. The owners/teams aren't publically owned/publically traded - therefore their books don't need to be opened. But if they are crying over 'not making enough money fast enough' at a time in which the NFL is booming, then maybe it'd be a good idea to prove it. But also - your average worker is replaceable. Sure it might cost some money in recruiting/training, but you can find accountants, teachers, cops, factory workers anywhere, anytime. When it comes to the NFL?? Not a chance. Lock out Peyton Manning, bring in a QB off the streets, and see how many tickets you sell. See how many Colts' fans buy Joe Street's jersey.

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As if the current issues weren't enough, the NFLPA is now putting a plan together to prevent college prospects from attending the NFL Draft.

 

The NFLPA already has contacted 17 top prospects that ordinarily would have received an invitation to attend the draft and informed them not to go. "As of right now, this is 100 percent happening," said one source familiar with the Players' Association thinking. "This is going down."

 

That's terrric. A perfect way to ruin the last thing the fans have to look forward too while you two work out your $9 Billion differences. And these two sides claim to care about the fans? Please. <_<

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The players are honoring their contracts, and their agreement they made in 2006 (?). It's the owners who are unhappy and opted out of the CBA. What if your boss came to you mid-year and said - jocstrap you need to take a big paycut or I'm firing you...when your company holds a monopoly over a $9 billion industry - and you had been doing your job 100%.

 

But in all seriousness, it's not fair to compare the NFL with your typical business. The NFL acts as a monopoly, thus exposing itself to antitrust laws. The owners/teams aren't publically owned/publically traded - therefore their books don't need to be opened. But if they are crying over 'not making enough money fast enough' at a time in which the NFL is booming, then maybe it'd be a good idea to prove it. But also - your average worker is replaceable. Sure it might cost some money in recruiting/training, but you can find accountants, teachers, cops, factory workers anywhere, anytime. When it comes to the NFL?? Not a chance. Lock out Peyton Manning, bring in a QB off the streets, and see how many tickets you sell. See how many Colts' fans buy Joe Street's jersey.

 

 

this sh!t is confusing. I just reaad Kutulu's post, and it's like a foreign language to me. I can see where the players are coming from now - I think :blink: :wacko:

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As if the current issues weren't enough, the NFLPA is now putting a plan together to prevent college prospects from attending the NFL Draft.

 

The NFLPA already has contacted 17 top prospects that ordinarily would have received an invitation to attend the draft and informed them not to go. "As of right now, this is 100 percent happening," said one source familiar with the Players' Association thinking. "This is going down."

 

That's terrric. A perfect way to ruin the last thing the fans have to look forward too while you two work out your $9 Billion differences. And these two sides claim to care about the fans? Please. <_<

 

That was a natural progression of the lawsuit filed by the players. Sucks for the fans, but not unexpected.

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As if the current issues weren't enough, the NFLPA is now putting a plan together to prevent college prospects from attending the NFL Draft.

 

The NFLPA already has contacted 17 top prospects that ordinarily would have received an invitation to attend the draft and informed them not to go. "As of right now, this is 100 percent happening," said one source familiar with the Players' Association thinking. "This is going down."

 

That's terrric. A perfect way to ruin the last thing the fans have to look forward too while you two work out your $9 Billion differences. And these two sides claim to care about the fans? Please. <_<

I'm very much looking forward to the draft, but why does this really take away from the experience?

 

I don't really watch the draft for the joy of watching the player's reaction, or to hear his 30-second speech to the media...which is all we'd likely miss out on. Teams still draft the players, analysts (so they say) still show tape, break down the selection, etc. etc. We still get to see who our teams select to be the future of our franchise.

 

Am I missing something? :wacko:

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I'm very much looking forward to the draft, but why does this really take away from the experience?

 

I don't really watch the draft for the joy of watching the player's reaction, or to hear his 30-second speech to the media...which is all we'd likely miss out on. Teams still draft the players, analysts (so they say) still show tape, break down the selection, etc. etc. We still get to see who our teams select to be the future of our franchise.

 

Am I missing something? :wacko:

I agree, that stuff is just window dressing for the media. Although we might miss the next great "draft slide face" a la Brady Quinn.

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I'm very much looking forward to the draft, but why does this really take away from the experience?

 

I don't really watch the draft for the joy of watching the player's reaction, or to hear his 30-second speech to the media...which is all we'd likely miss out on. Teams still draft the players, analysts (so they say) still show tape, break down the selection, etc. etc. We still get to see who our teams select to be the future of our franchise.

 

Am I missing something? :wacko:

Personally, the player interviews are the worst part about the draft experience but some people, including the players, families, etc. enjoy them. My only point is the pettiness of this tactic and it's yet another example of the disconnect they have with the fans. The fighting between the two sides is sinking to new levels as they search for any ounce of leverage they can muster.

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I'm trying to be on the players' side, but.....

 

Slave labor????

 

AP: It's modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that :unsure: , but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money … the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it's how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, 'Hey — without us, there's no football.' There are so many different perspectives from different players, and obviously we're not all on the same page — I don't know. I don't really see this going to where we'll be without football for a long time; there's too much money lost for the owners. Eventually, I feel that we'll get something done.

 

This whole thing is simply a case of "someone's making more money than me, and that's not fair." Some owners are in it to make money and some are in it to win. I seriously doubt that any players in the NFL signed their contracts under duress. Why do they care how much the owners are making?

 

Note: I realize this is a simplistic, retarded view of the situation, but........come on. Seriously - slavery? :wacko:

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As if the current issues weren't enough, the NFLPA is now putting a plan together to prevent college prospects from attending the NFL Draft.

 

The NFLPA already has contacted 17 top prospects that ordinarily would have received an invitation to attend the draft and informed them not to go. "As of right now, this is 100 percent happening," said one source familiar with the Players' Association thinking. "This is going down."

 

That's terrric. A perfect way to ruin the last thing the fans have to look forward too while you two work out your $9 Billion differences. And these two sides claim to care about the fans? Please. <_<

 

100% agree...I realize the owners have their own greed issues, but I've continued to bash the players through this whole process and this right here is the clincher. This little draft scheme is nothing more than dirty pool..a way to stick it to the league. The players' negotiating position doesn't improve one iota by holding these players out of the draft. Bottom line..they're holding the college players and the fans hostage just so they can 'take their ball and go home'.

 

One question though: how can they 'prevent' these guys from doing anything. There's no union anymore and these guys weren't members of it anyway. I'd love for one of these top 10 guys to grow a set and tell the current players to eat it.

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That was a natural progression of the lawsuit filed by the players. Sucks for the fans, but not unexpected.

 

How is that a natural progression? It wasn't talked about once prior to a few days ago. You know what it reminds me of? A nasty divorce..and the players are the wives.

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How is that a natural progression? It wasn't talked about once prior to a few days ago. You know what it reminds me of? A nasty divorce..and the players are the wives.

 

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126. The imposition of the Draft with "Entering Player Pool" is an anticompetitive, horizontal agreement between competing NFl teams, which allocates the right to negotiate with and sign rookie professional football players and fixes their wages. The Draft with "Entering Player Pool" is per se unlawful

 

If they are going to take the step of saying the draft is illegal in the court system, then doesn't it seem likely that they would want to avoid any player participation in it? Tactically, they have to refrain from participating in the draft and "advise" future players of the same.

 

No matter what the players and owners say from here on out, doesn't really matter any way except PR wise. Unless/until the parties go back to the bargining table, this dispute is going to be settled by the courts and the labor board...not by who the fans think are right or wrong.

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I'm trying to be on the players' side, but.....

 

Slave labor????

 

AP: It's modern-day slavery, you know? People kind of laugh at that :unsure: , but there are people working at regular jobs who get treated the same way, too. With all the money … the owners are trying to get a different percentage, and bring in more money. I understand that; these are business-minded people. Of course this is what they are going to want to do. I understand that; it's how they got to where they are now. But as players, we have to stand our ground and say, 'Hey — without us, there's no football.' There are so many different perspectives from different players, and obviously we're not all on the same page — I don't know. I don't really see this going to where we'll be without football for a long time; there's too much money lost for the owners. Eventually, I feel that we'll get something done.

 

This whole thing is simply a case of "someone's making more money than me, and that's not fair." Some owners are in it to make money and some are in it to win. I seriously doubt that any players in the NFL signed their contracts under duress. Why do they care how much the owners are making?

 

Note: I realize this is a simplistic, retarded view of the situation, but........come on. Seriously - slavery? :wacko:

 

If Peterson thinks it is slave labor, maybe he should be paid what slaves were paid...

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Personally, the player interviews are the worst part about the draft experience but some people, including the players, families, etc. enjoy them. My only point is the pettiness of this tactic and it's yet another example of the disconnect they have with the fans. The fighting between the two sides is sinking to new levels as they search for any ounce of leverage they can muster.

Good point - I don't think that draft day viewers will miss anything if the players aren't there, but it's certainly not good for the media.

 

Mike - do you have any insight as to what the next step of the process is? There's a court hearing on April 6th for the injunction filed by the players - can we expect a decision within a few weeks of that date? Would that decision be the final bearing as to whether or not there'd be football in 2011? (Barring a new CBA, of course).

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Dear NFL player,

 

As you know, negotiations between the NFL Players Association and the clubs have not led to an agreement. Last Friday, the NFLPA Walked out of the federal mediator's offices in Washington, told us that it had abandoned its right to represent you as a union, and filed a lawsuit. Some hours later, the clubs instituted a lockout.

 

The clubs believe that there is only one way to resolve our differences, and that is through good faith collective bargaining in an atmosphere of mutual respect and open communication. We have said publicly, told the federal mediator, and say to you that we are prepared to resume those negotiations at any time.

 

We want you to understand the offer that we made to the NFLPA. The proposal was made to avoid a work stoppage. Each passing day puts our game and our shared economics further at risk. We believe the offer presented a strong and fair basis for continuing negotiations, allowing the new league year and free agency to begin, and growing our game in the years to come. Here are the key elements of the proposal:

 

- A salary cap for 2011 that would avoid a negative financial impact on veteran players. We offered to meet the Union at the mid-point between our previous offer and the Union's demand. Under our offer, 2011 salary and benefits would have been set at $141 million per club, and projected cash spending would have been as high or higher than in either 2009 or 2010. By 2014, salary and benefits would have been set at $161 million per club. In other Words, player compensation would increase by as much as $20 million per club by 2014.

 

-Free agency for players with four or more accrued seasons and reduced draft choice compensation for restricted free agents.

 

-Extensive changes in off-season work requirements that would promote player health and safety, encourage players to continue their education, and promote second career opportunities. The off-season program would be reduced by five weeks, OTAs would be reduced from 14, to helmets would be prohibited for the first five weeks of workouts, and rules prohibiting "1ive" on-field contact would be strictly enforced.

 

-Changes in preseason and regular season practices and schedules that would reduce the number of padded practices, reduce the amount of contact, and increase the number of days off for you and other players.

 

-Commit to retain the current 16-game regular season format for at least the next two seasons, and further commit not to change to an 18- game regular season without the Union's agreement.

 

-Expand injury guarantees for players. The clubs offered to guarantee up to $1 million of a second_ ear of your contract if you are injured and cannot return to play.

 

-For the first time, players and families would be able to purchase continuing coverage in the player medical plan after retirement for life, and could use their health savings account benefit to do so.

 

-Enhanced retirement benefits for pre-1993 players. More than 2,000 former players would have received an immediate increase in their pensions averaging nearly 60 percent, funded entirely by the owners.

 

-A new entry-level compensation system that would make more than $300 million per draft class available for veterans' pay and player benefits. The new system would preserve individual negotiations not a wage scale - and would allow players drafted in rounds 2 through 7 to earn as much or more than they earn today.

 

-Significant changes in disciplinary procedures, including a jointly-appointed neutral arbitrator to hear all drug and steroid appeals.

 

Working together, players and clubs have made the game great. Our fans want us to find common ground, settle our differences, and come to a fair agreement. I have met with many of you since becoming Commissioner. You know of my respect and admiration for you as men and as players. We need to come together, and soon.

 

In that spirit, we are prepared to negotiate a full agreement that would incorporate these features and other progressive changes that would benefit players, clubs, and fans. Only through collective bargaining will we reach that kind of agreement. Our goal is to make our league even better than it is today, with the benefits shared by all of us.

 

I hope you will encourage your Union to return to the bargaining table and conclude a new collective bargaining agreement.

 

Sincerely,

Roger

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Kutulu - I've made wise cracks at you on our mffl board and the geek board for short sentenced, useless comments, and seemingly lack of ff knowledge. You usually throw out the :banana: and that's about it. However, I have been very impressed with how you have responded on this topic several times. You get and thumbs up, and thanks for all the great insight :thumbsup:

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What's your point? :dunno:

 

They want to look at the owner's books, why doesn't anyone mention that the Packer books are open for all to see.

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They want to look at the owner's books, why doesn't anyone mention that the Packer books are open for all to see.

 

Denver's onwer has also said he would open their books. I think the players are taking the stance that they want to see all the books, but as with most of this stuff, it's just another negotiating tactic aimed at creating leverage.

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They better reach an agreement soon or I will lose interest. I am sick of listening to these whiny *** players and have lost my desire to watch them play. AP may not know it but there is football without NFL players but there would be no NFL players without the fans.

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Sucks that the fans have to suffer through this, but it sure is gonna be fun watching the players cave one by one. For every Manning and Brady, there's 50 that can't spell IRA. I give it till October, minus any legal rulings that stir things up.

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Until the lockout is resolved, players can’t be traded. Draft picks can be traded.

 

Future draft picks, beyond 2011, also can be traded. But an ominous caveat comes from ESPN’s Chris Mortensen.

 

Per Mort, the league has advised teams that any trades of draft picks beyond 2011 will occur “at [their] own risk.”

 

In other words, there may not be a draft in 2012.

 

That would be one potential outcome of the current Brady antitrust litigation. Though the case does not yet directly attack the draft itself since the labor agreement expressly contemplates that a draft will be held in 2011, we explained when the lawsuit was filed that the case could be amended in the future to include a member of the 2012 draft class, with a specific allegation that the draft violates antitrust laws.

 

And, frankly, it quite possibly does. Assuming the decertification of the union sticks, an effort by 32 separate companies to divvy up incoming workers easily runs afoul of the antitrust laws.

 

That said, if the players ultimately take away the draft from the NFL, the players will be taking away the draft from the fans. And that would be a P.R. nightmare for the men who play the game.

 

~pft.com

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They better reach an agreement soon or I will lose interest. I am sick of listening to these whiny *** players and have lost my desire to watch them play. AP may not know it but there is football without NFL players but there would be no NFL players without the fans.

 

 

:headbanger: :headbanger:

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Adrian Peterson and Rashard Mendenhall comparing this situation to slavery is revolting. These pampered poosays wouldnt last a second in the 1960's nevermind the 1860's. Where the fock are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to condemn these disgusting comparisons? If they really feel that way, I have a lot of work that needs to be done around my house...since they'll probably be taking the year off and all.

 

Fock both sides, I'll just watch college ball from now on. Goodell and piss-poor officiating (with zero accountability) have already soiled the product the past few years. Go ahead and make your point guys, steroids wont be there to bail you out like with major league baseball in the mid 90's. :rolleyes:

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Adrian Peterson and Rashard Mendenhall comparing this situation to slavery is revolting. These pampered poosays wouldnt last a second in the 1960's nevermind the 1860's. Where the fock are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to condemn these disgusting comparisons? If they really feel that way, I have a lot of work that needs to be done around my house...since they'll probably be taking the year off and all.

 

Fock both sides, I'll just watch college ball from now on. Goodell and piss-poor officiating (with zero accountability) have already soiled the product the past few years. Go ahead and make your point guys, steroids wont be there to bail you out like with major league baseball in the mid 90's. :rolleyes:

 

I would say the soiling started in the 70's.

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