Obama executing American citizens without giving them a trial.

[BLS 314]

I gotta say, this thread personally makes me sad.

 

I am sad for our nation and what we've become.

I'm sad for what many of you will tolerate, and in many cases, endorse; all in the name of 'safety'.

 

I have learned things over the last few years though. It's becoming considerably easier to acknowledge those who actually "THINK" and those who simply 'react'.

 

 

Most of you...are fuckin idiots.

 

And for the record....Strike and Saints are both DEAD RIGHT.

The minute you allow this sort of thing, is the minute you've lost what makes America great.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I gotta say, this thread personally makes me sad.

 

I am sad for our nation and what we've become.

I'm sad for what many of you will tolerate, and in many cases, endorse; all in the name of 'safety'.

 

I have learned things over the last few years though. It's becoming considerably easier to acknowledge those who actually "THINK" and those who simply 'react'.

 

 

Most of you...are fuckin idiots.

 

And for the record....Strike and Saints are both DEAD RIGHT.

The minute you allow this sort of thing, is the minute you've lost what makes America great.

 

 

Um, HELLO FUKKWEED. I started this thread to say exactly what you are saying.

[BLS 314]

Um, HELLO FUKKWEED. I started this thread to say exactly what you are saying.

 

Yeah Rustor...I know dickhead.

[nikki2200 4]

Um, HELLO FUKKWEED. I started this thread to say exactly what you are saying.

 

Everyone knows you started this thread as yet another way to bash Obama and you just started caring about the Constitution in the last 3 years. HTH.

[BLS 314]

Everyone knows you started this thread as yet another way to bash Obama and you just started caring about the Constitution in the last 3 years. HTH.

 

I would tend to agree. Bush-Republicans didn't seem to care about the Patriot Act.

[nikki2200 4]

I gotta say, this thread personally makes me sad.

 

I am sad for our nation and what we've become.

I'm sad for what many of you will tolerate, and in many cases, endorse; all in the name of 'safety'.

 

I have learned things over the last few years though. It's becoming considerably easier to acknowledge those who actually "THINK" and those who simply 'react'.

 

 

Most of you...are fuckin idiots.

 

And for the record....Strike and Saints are both DEAD RIGHT.

The minute you allow this sort of thing, is the minute you've lost what makes America great.

 

OK BLS. For shiits and giggles, maybe you can answer some questions for me because everyone has been spewing ideology, but not giving any realistic alternatives to this. What should we have done?

 

I see a few options:

 

1. Do nothing and let this dude continue to recruit terrorists and plan the murder of countless American citizens, because he is an American and we constitutionally can't just assassinate him and trying to extract him from Yemen would be a near impossible task.

 

2. Indict him in US and issue an extradition order to Yemen to turn him over to us after they have been trying to locate and arrest him for years to no avail while he continues to recruit terrorists and plan the murders of countless American citizens.

 

3. After locating him ourselves, send troops in to capture him, putting their lives at risk and most likely suffering a few casualties. Then if/when captured, bring him back to the US to go through the proper judicial processes to convict him, and most likely exposing classified information about or methods for gathering intel to the international public.

 

4. Send a drone in and put a missile up his ass.

 

I'd take option 4 seven days a week and twice on Sunday. Everything is not black and white. Everything in this world cannot be held to a pure "right" or a pure "wrong". And all for a guy that has openly declared war on the US. I don't know how many times we have to say it, but he may not have filled out the paperwork, but everything points to the fact that he had kind of renounced his citizenship.

 

So seriously... what would you have done if you had to make this decision?

 

God this topic is tiring me.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Why don't we do this Nikki.

 

Let's pass a law that says any fukktard like this that joins the other side can be declared that he is no longer a US citizen. After that he is free f

game

 

Then you get the assassinations of Americans you want, but without the guilt.

[nikki2200 4]

Why don't we do this Nikki.

 

Let's pass a law that says any fukktard like this that joins the other side can be declared that he is no longer a US citizen. After that he is free f

game

 

Then you get the assassinations of Americans you want, but without the guilt.

 

I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with that.

 

I also have no problem if anyone wants to challenge the laws put in place that allowed this killing to happen. That's what our system of checks and balances is all about. And maybe the ACLU will bring this forward so we can get a clear resolution on the issue, and perhaps the laws will be made clearer to prevent the abuse of power people seem to be scared about.

 

No problem at all.

 

For now, it was a legal killing. I don't think there were any other viable options. And I personally won't lose any sleep over it or become paranoid that he government is going to now start showing up at people's houses and killing them because they think they might be criminals.

[MDC 7,737]

Haven't you heard, MDC is no lib, he claims to be a moderate Republican. So using him as an example of a bored lib makes no sense, much like the rest of the drivel you post.

 

You were the one calling me a lib back when I said warrentlees wiretapping was unconstitutional, turns out you're just a cheap flunky partisan with no core beliefs at all, shocker.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

For now, it was a legal killing.

Every killing is legal until proven otherwise in a court of law.

 

Keep me updated on this American's case.

[nikki2200 4]

Every killing is legal until proven otherwise in a court of law.

 

Keep me updated on this American's case.

 

 

I'll tell ya what. Write a letter to the CAIR, actually you are probably already a member, and tell them of your outrage with this and that you will support their future endeavors making it illegal for the President to use military force against alleged terrorists that happen to have been born in the US. Maybe you can even send them a monetary donation to help with the effort. Really. It seems you feel strongly about this issue. Maybe you should take more action than posting on a message bored about it. Hell maybe even write a check to the ACLU while you are at it. I'm sure they would appreciate it and put it to good use.

 

RP... the great defender of the unfairly treated minorities and protector of the innocent.

[MedStudent 56]

Why don't we do this Nikki.

 

Let's pass a law that says any fukktard like this that joins the other side can be declared that he is no longer a US citizen.

 

He can be declared a non citizen without due process? That would be an unconstitutional law.

 

There already is a law that can strip a citizen of citizenship if they aid an enemy of the united states. It's called treason. But he gets to defend himself.

[nikki2200 4]

I think this pretty much sums it up:

 

 

This will go away as fast as the NSA wiretapping of Al Queda phone calls did. You guys keep throwing crap at the wall to see what will stick. So far ya got nothing.

 

What a clown.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I think this pretty much sums it up:

 

 

 

 

What a clown.

Awesome!

 

How desperate have you become that you have searched back to 2006 in a lame attempt to save face.

 

Bwahahahaha!!!

 

Can't get by on your own positions????????

 

 

Bwahaha

 

 

I invite anyone as desperate as you to go back and actually read the thread you linked. If they do you will not be happy about spending all that time finding it.

 

Lolololol

 

go yo bed you drunk slut.

[MDC 7,737]

I think this pretty much sums it up:

 

 

 

 

What a clown.

 

Nice find, Welchy has a 10-year record of being a hypocritical asshat.

[nikki2200 4]

Awesome!

 

How desperate have you become that you have searched back to 2006 in a lame attempt to save face.

 

Bwahahahaha!!!

 

Can't get by on your own positions????????

 

 

Bwahaha

 

 

I invite anyone as desperate as you to go back and actually read the thread you linked. If they do you will not be happy about spending all that time finding it.

 

Lolololol

 

go yo bed you drunk slut.

 

It took about 4 seconds to find. That fancy search function and Patriot Act work well. You hypocritical ass clown.

 

Also, if you wish to intelligently discuss this topic, which we all know you don't.... You are president. Option 1, 2, 3, or 4 O Great Defender of the Constitution.

[nikki2200 4]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/02/politics/cheney-obama-terror/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

D!ck Cheney:

I think you’ve got to go through the process internally making sure it’s reviewed by the appropriate people in the Justice Department…. That they take a good careful look at it. But I think they did all of that on this case. And I think the President has all the authority he needs to order this kind of strike. There’s a difference between a law enforcement action and a war. And we believe we are at war. We believe the war started when they killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. And I think what we’ve seen is the administration, the Obama administration, has clearly reached the point where they agree they need to be tough and aggressive in defending the nation and using some of the same techniques that the Bush administration did. And I say they need to go back and reconsider some of the criticisms they offered about our policies over the years.

 

What say you RP? Is D!ck Cheney wrong? Isn't Obama taking more of the Bush stance on this stuff than his previous stance when he seemed to be soft on terrorists by saying they had rights and stuff?

 

Also, I agree with Cheney and it's what I've been saying. This is not a normal criminal justice situation. It is being treated as a war which affords different authority to the president and the military on this matter. I believe it's a war too, that's why I don't give a shiit if they take these idiots out without a trial. And laws passed under Bush allows the President to use military force against terrorists, without any provision for their nationality. But I know you were probably really opposed to those laws Bush enacted.

 

ETA: It's really annoying you can't type d!ck here.

[Saint Elistan 106]

To be fair, I've changed a lot of my positions in the last five years. A lot can change in five years.

[Frank M 181]

I gotta say, this thread personally makes me sad.

 

I am sad for our nation and what we've become.

I'm sad for what many of you will tolerate, and in many cases, endorse; all in the name of 'safety'.

 

I have learned things over the last few years though. It's becoming considerably easier to acknowledge those who actually "THINK" and those who simply 'react'.

 

 

Most of you...are fuckin idiots.

 

And for the record....Strike and Saints are both DEAD RIGHT.

The minute you allow this sort of thing, is the minute you've lost what makes America great.

 

That minute was years ago when the government officially sanctioned torture of enemy combatants.

[BLS 314]

OK BLS. For shiits and giggles, maybe you can answer some questions for me because everyone has been spewing ideology, but not giving any realistic alternatives to this. What should we have done?

 

I see a few options:

 

1. Do nothing and let this dude continue to recruit terrorists and plan the murder of countless American citizens, because he is an American and we constitutionally can't just assassinate him and trying to extract him from Yemen would be a near impossible task.

No. If you believe he's a legitimate threat to the US, then you have to do something. We'll cover that below.

 

2. Indict him in US and issue an extradition order to Yemen to turn him over to us after they have been trying to locate and arrest him for years to no avail while he continues to recruit terrorists and plan the murders of countless American citizens.

Yes. But we have to know Yemen won't give him up willingly.

 

3. After locating him ourselves, send troops in to capture him, putting their lives at risk and most likely suffering a few casualties. Then if/when captured, bring him back to the US to go through the proper judicial processes to convict him, and most likely exposing classified information about or methods for gathering intel to the international public.

Issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Put a bounty on his head and allow mercenaries hunt him and bring him back.

It's obvious they knew where the guy was...since they were able to 'put a missile in his a$$'. If they have that kind of intelligence on the ground, finding the man and bringing him back won't be that much more difficult.

Re: Judicial Process....read up on Military Tribunal. It's a closed court from the public. No military secrets will be revealed to the public.

 

4. Send a drone in and put a missile up his ass.

 

I'd take option 4 seven days a week and twice on Sunday. Everything is not black and white. Everything in this world cannot be held to a pure "right" or a pure "wrong". And all for a guy that has openly declared war on the US. I don't know how many times we have to say it, but he may not have filled out the paperwork, but everything points to the fact that he had kind of renounced his citizenship.

 

So seriously... what would you have done if you had to make this decision?

 

God this topic is tiring me.

 

 

Here's why what you're advocating scares the sh1t out of me.

 

Let's say you're Joe Public. You've lost your construction business and had to take a job making much less money. You're concerned about the economy and the talk of another recession.

So you start to prepare yourself and your family for a rainy day. You stock food, maybe some gold, cash, silver, and some guns and ammo in case things get really bad.

You stock up on gasoline, some tilling equipment, canning equipment so you will be able to can your food for the winter, etc.

 

Someone walks into your house and sees all of this, and notices you have a Gadsden Flag in your basement. They get freaked out and call the local police saying you're stock piling weapons.

The police send it to the FBI...the FBI looks over your financials, gun purchases, etc and deems you to be a 'terrorist'. Now we can effectively blast that person and his family with a JDam missile?

 

I realize this is a far fetched scenario, but what if I write a letter to the editor in my paper and say how upset I am with my current government? Can they say I'm a terrorist now because I'm "recruiting" others against the government?

Thus, I can be assassinated without due process? Goodbye Freedom. Hello Revolution.

 

Look at it this way. Saddam Hussein was widely known to have KILLED his own people. Hundreds of thousands of them. He was giving a trial and subsequently hung, and he's not even a US Citizen.

Nobody has presented any evidence this guy has killed anyone and IS a US Citizen and you're 100% ok with his murder because of the circumstances.

 

If the guy is really that bad of a person, then try him and hang his monkey ass. But he gets his day in court, just like you and I do.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

It's wierd that all these blatantly illegal and unconstitutional things stood up to court challenges.

 

Yes, it is weird, and focking pathetic. Of course, the Scotus has also ruled that a 1/16th black man could be excluded from a whites only car, and that we can lock Japanese-Americans in camps, and dozens of other blantantly riduculous things. Some court will get this one right and repeal that abortion of a bill too some day.

 

Do you now assassinate US citizens for saying scary things?

 

If this guy was killed in an act of war or resisting arrest, fine. But I don't understand cheering on the government sanctioned assassination of US citizens when capture and due process is an option. Especially now that we're in a war with no clear enemy, borders or end.

 

I realize I'm in a real small minority on this one. Just saying, hacks from both sides can now spare me the hot-winded speeches about the sacred constitution, since the Feds are free to do virtually anything they want with no oversight or recourse so long as it's in the name of keeping us "safe."

 

I agree, in principle. If there is any possible way to apprehend the "citizen" and try him, by all means, require it. Give him free counsel, and a jury of his peers. In this case, however, the guy was in a civil war zone, clearly hiding out, and there was not a realistic way of peacefully apprehending him. Anybody who has a problem with putting a missle up this guys ass is talking out of their idealogy, not common sense.

 

Why don't we do this Nikki.

 

Let's pass a law that says any fukktard like this that joins the other side can be declared that he is no longer a US citizen. After that he is free f

game

 

Then you get the assassinations of Americans you want, but without the guilt.

 

So basically, all you want is to put an extra step in the process? Like the government will kill people willy-nilly, but making them strip you of citizenship first, that's gonna stop them from being capricious?

 

Idiotic. Your entire argument here is bullsh!t. If Obama personally, single handedly, cured cancer forever, you would find a way to either say it was a bad thing, or that he stole credit from Bush.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

Here's why what you're advocating scares the sh1t out of me.

 

Let's say you're Joe Public. You've lost your construction business and had to take a job making much less money. You're concerned about the economy and the talk of another recession.

So you start to prepare yourself and your family for a rainy day. You stock food, maybe some gold, cash, silver, and some guns and ammo in case things get really bad.

You stock up on gasoline, some tilling equipment, canning equipment so you will be able to can your food for the winter, etc.

 

Someone walks into your house and sees all of this, and notices you have a Gadsden Flag in your basement. They get freaked out and call the local police saying you're stock piling weapons.

The police send it to the FBI...the FBI looks over your financials, gun purchases, etc and deems you to be a 'terrorist'. Now we can effectively blast that person and his family with a JDam missile?

 

I realize this is a far fetched scenario, but what if I write a letter to the editor in my paper and say how upset I am with my current government? Can they say I'm a terrorist now because I'm "recruiting" others against the government?

Thus, I can be assassinated without due process? Goodbye Freedom. Hello Revolution.

 

Look at it this way. Saddam Hussein was widely known to have KILLED his own people. Hundreds of thousands of them. He was giving a trial and subsequently hung, and he's not even a US Citizen.

Nobody has presented any evidence this guy has killed anyone and IS a US Citizen and you're 100% ok with his murder because of the circumstances.

 

If the guy is really that bad of a person, then try him and hang his monkey ass. But he gets his day in court, just like you and I do.

 

Ok, so how do you propose we get this asshat in a courtroom? Would running legal notice of his court date in Al-Jazeera satisfy you?

 

I think the expectation that you are going to "arrest" these international terrorists is a bit naive. They live in armed camps, in places that we can't readily get to.

[Voice_Of_Reason 0]

Meh. If you hide with our enemies and plot against us, you risk being the target of an operation. If the guy was in American territory, it's a different call for me. You arrest him for treason. Since he's in Yemen plotting acts against the US, I'm fine with it. It'd also be different if he had been in France or England or some place like that. They'd let us round him up, but Yemen...not so much.

[MDC 7,737]

I agree, in principle. If there is any possible way to apprehend the "citizen" and try him, by all means, require it. Give him free counsel, and a jury of his peers. In this case, however, the guy was in a civil war zone, clearly hiding out, and there was not a realistic way of peacefully apprehending him. Anybody who has a problem with putting a missle up this guys ass is talking out of their idealogy, not common sense.

 

We have people who are wanted by the FBI all over the world - we don't send government hit squads after them. I'd find this whole thing a lot more palatable if we were in a "war" with any finite conclusion but we're not. It's a never-ending war without a clear enemy or borders, so we've granted the Feds carte blanche to do whatever they want - up to an including the kidnap, torture and murder of their own citizens - without any oversight or end to these extraordinay powers. And nobody cares, cause this guy was scary and now we feel safer. What happens when the Feds kidnap, torture or kill the wrong guy? They dump the corpse roadside and sweep it under the rug. We don't trust our own government to do anything but decide which citizens to terminate, it's a sad state of affairs.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

 

 

 

 

So basically, all you want is to put an extra step in the process? Like the government will kill people willy-nilly, but making them strip you of citizenship first, that's gonna stop them from being capricious?

 

Idiotic. Your entire argument here is bullsh!t. If Obama personally, single handedly, cured cancer forever, you would find a way to either say it was a bad thing, or that he stole credit from Bush.

Call it an extra step if you want. I'm sure there would be big bi partisan support for a measure to strip citizenship from asshats like this. When a situation line this comes up have a resolution voted on by congress to take citizenship away. Then he is free game.

 

I have a problem giving any President the ability to assassinate Americans just because "Dude was on my list". A liitle checks and balances.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

We have people who are wanted by the FBI all over the world - we don't send government hit squads after them. I'd find this whole thing a lot more palatable if we were in a "war" with any finite conclusion but we're not. It's a never-ending war without a clear enemy or borders, so we've granted the Feds carte blanche to do whatever they want - up to an including the kidnap, torture and murder of their own citizens - without any oversight or end to these extraordinay powers. And nobody cares, cause this guy was scary and now we feel safer. What happens when the Feds kidnap, torture or kill the wrong guy? They dump the corpse roadside and sweep it under the rug. We don't trust our own government to do anything but decide which citizens to terminate, it's a sad state of affairs.

 

I agree with your sentiment, and believe me, it makes me squemish too. But realistically, the only way to fight these terrorists is to hunt them down and kill them. You can't get a warrant and go arrest them like your local pot dealer. I'd be all for some sort of oversight, like a secret court for this sort of thing, appoint a defense counsel and try the guy in abstentia first, if he declines to appear.

 

Truthfully, terrorism is the ideal sort of problem for an organization like the U.N. to handle. Too bad Bush killed it.

 

Call it an extra step if you want. I'm sure there would be big bi partisan support for a measure to strip citizenship from asshats like this. When a situation line this comes up have a resolution voted on by congress to take citizenship away. Then he is free game.

 

I have a problem giving any President the ability to assassinate Americans just because "Dude was on my list". A liitle checks and balances.

 

I don't really have any objection to that, except that it shouldn't be congress, because they are bought and paid for wh0res who are chicken sh!t to vote on stuff like that. Maybe a court hearing of some sort, like an in abstentia trial.

[drobeski 3,061]

Obama is kicking radical muslim ass...for that I commend him. I am glad he stuck with the bush plan in that regard.

The rest of his policies suck donkey balls.

[MedStudent 56]

Obama is kicking radical muslim ass...for that I commend him. I suck donkey balls.

 

Stop sloberring all over obummers balls you focken No neck commie.

[drobeski 3,061]

Stop sloberring all over obummers balls you focken No neck commie.

Cool quote manip dude..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for a 13 year old

[LOD01 198]

So, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law only applies to American's that Obama approves of.

 

Not sure I want to go down that road.

 

Go ###### yourself an then suck your own ###### off your needledick, you pile of worthless ######.

[MedStudent 56]

Cool quote manip dude..

 

 

for a 13 year old

 

I just deleted some extraneous words for you. Now get obama's cack out of your mouth before the kkk revokes your membership.

[drobeski 3,061]

I just deleted some extraneous words for you. Now get obama's cack out of your mouth before the kkk revokes your membership.

Did you gay up and head out to the parade I mean protests yet ?

[MedStudent 56]

Did you gay up and head out to the parade I mean protests yet ?

Not yet. I'm waiting for them to get violent so I can throw some bricks through some windows. Anarchy!