titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted March 10, 2012 Ok... explain to me two things about college basketball. One... what is the difference between a foul, and a team foul? Second... explain the bonus and double bonus, and when they kick in. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted March 10, 2012 Watch this: The foul occurred at .13 Team foul at .20 Or that may be the "Double Bonus". Got both of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxnCY0CZ1pE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2518F495D0CA7F61 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,629 Posted March 10, 2012 Ok... explain to me two things about college basketball. One... what is the difference between a foul, and a team foul? Second... explain the bonus and double bonus, and when they kick in. Thanks. Bonus is when the team accrues a certain number of team fouls, and the opponent gets to shoot 1 and 1 FTs. Double bonus is even more fouls, and it becomes 2 FTs. I think those are at 5 and 10 per half, but I'm not sure. The obvious answer to the other is that team fouls are the aggregate fouls by the team. I think some individual ones don't count, like technical fouls, and maybe offensive fouls? I've wondered this myself, but don't follow college hoops enough to know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745 Posted March 10, 2012 Bonus is when the team accrues a certain number of team fouls, and the opponent gets to shoot 1 and 1 FTs. Double bonus is even more fouls, and it becomes 2 FTs. I think those are at 5 and 10 per half, but I'm not sure. The obvious answer to the other is that team fouls are the aggregate fouls by the team. I think some individual ones don't count, like technical fouls, and maybe offensive fouls? I've wondered this myself, but don't follow college hoops enough to know. Oh ok. I always hear things like "That's his second foul, team first" and wonder how that can be. THanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgumm23 2 Posted March 10, 2012 Fouls kept on individual. 5 on you are out. Every foul of half counts as team foul. When team commits 7 total then a common foul ( non shooting, not player control) results in 1 plus bonus. 10 team fouls make every common foul 2 shots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgumm23 2 Posted March 10, 2012 Rules changed recently that made technicals count as individual fouls as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,629 Posted March 10, 2012 Oh ok. I always hear things like "That's his second foul, team first" and wonder how that can be. THanks. That could happen in the 2nd half for instance, since the team count resets. Thanks sgumm, I thought I was mixing up numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swirvenirvin 25 Posted March 10, 2012 Oh ok. I always hear things like "That's his second foul, team first" and wonder how that can be. THanks. Not possible unless u are talking a different half. Then could be guys second but teams first in the half. Also its after seven fouls when the team shoots 1-1 then after 10 its double bonus and shooting two each time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted March 10, 2012 What is a Pick and Roll ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted March 10, 2012 Offensive fouls do not count as team fouls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Giants Fan 85 Posted March 10, 2012 What is a Pick and Roll ??? You pick your nose, and you roll it up so your fingers are all sticky ... and that's how they palm the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted March 10, 2012 When was the last time basketball was relevant or interesting as a sport? 1993? Earlier? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted March 10, 2012 When was the last time basketball was relevant or interesting as a sport? 1993? Earlier? college basketball may be the best sport out there....that and the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted March 10, 2012 Offensive fouls do not count as team fouls. Umm. I think they do. Offensive fouls count as personal fouls and team fouls. However, you don't shoot free throws on offensive fouls regardless of the bonus situation. Also, technical fouls count as personal fouls and have for a long time in NCAA rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted March 10, 2012 Umm. I think they do. Offensive fouls count as personal fouls and team fouls. However, you don't shoot free throws on offensive fouls regardless of the bonus situation. Also, technical fouls count as personal fouls and have for a long time in NCAA rules. Correct. Offensive fouls count towards personal and team but you do not shoot. I was officiating a HS playoff game last week where a "player controlled foul" aka offensive happened late in the game when the committing team was already in double bonus. The coach was screaming for a time out to ask me why they didn't shoot. How do you make it to the HS playoffs and not know that rule? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted March 10, 2012 Correct. Offensive fouls count towards personal and team but you do not shoot. I was officiating a HS playoff game last week where a "player controlled foul" aka offensive happened late in the game when the committing team was already in double bonus. The coach was screaming for a time out to ask me why they didn't shoot. How do you make it to the HS playoffs and not know that rule? Many coaches don't know all of the rules, but that one is pretty basic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted March 10, 2012 Many coaches don't know all of the rules, but that one is pretty basic. Offensive fouls are no longer called offensive fouls. Federation calls them player controlled or team controlled fouls. Coaches can't differentiate between these. Seems simple but to the average hillbilly coach of NH, it's like having them interpret Shakespeare. Team controlled: illegal screen...anyone who commits a foul, while on offense but does not possess the ball. Signaled with a straight, fist punch. Player controlled: charge...anyone with the ball, on offense who commits a foul. Signaled with back of the head and pointing the other direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted March 10, 2012 Offensive fouls are no longer called offensive fouls. Federation calls them player controlled or team controlled fouls. Coaches can't differentiate between these. Seems simple but to the average hillbilly coach of NH, it's like having them interpret Shakespeare. Team controlled: illegal screen...anyone who commits a foul, while on offense but does not possess the ball. Signaled with a straight, fist punch. Player controlled: charge...anyone with the ball, on offense who commits a foul. Signaled with back of the head and pointing the other direction. That seems unnecessary to me. Both are treated the exact same way (count as personal foul, count as team foul, no free throws), so why add a different class and make it more confusing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tikigods 76 Posted March 10, 2012 That seems unnecessary to me. Both are treated the exact same way (count as personal foul, count as team foul, no free throws), so why add a different class and make it more confusing? Correct. There is no difference except you need to make sure the appropriate player is charged with the foul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted March 10, 2012 Umm. I think they do. Offensive fouls count as personal fouls and team fouls. However, you don't shoot free throws on offensive fouls regardless of the bonus situation. Also, technical fouls count as personal fouls and have for a long time in NCAA rules. Are the NCAA rules different than the NBA rules in this respect? Because offensive fouls are not team fouls in the NBA: http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted March 10, 2012 Are the NCAA rules different than the NBA rules in this respect? Because offensive fouls are not team fouls in the NBA: http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html The NBA does not really play by basketball rules. Yes, their rules are different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MedStudent 56 Posted March 10, 2012 1331370444[/url]' post='4713957']What is a Pick and Roll ??? When a guy without the ball gets in the way of the guy guarding the player with ball. He screens him off or picks him off to let the guy with ball get free. After he does this he heads (rolls) to the hoop. A lot of times the guy who was guarding him switches to cover the guy with the ball so he has a free lane to the hoop and the guy with the ball will pass it to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted March 10, 2012 When a guy without the ball gets in the way of the guy guarding the player with ball. He screens him off or picks him off to let the guy with ball get free. After he does this he heads (rolls) to the hoop. A lot of times the guy who was guarding him switches to cover the guy with the ball so he has a free lane to the hoop and the guy with the ball will pass it to him. More confused now. Not a BB fan at all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,693 Posted March 10, 2012 Oh ok. I always hear things like "That's his second foul, team first" and wonder how that can be. THanks. if i player has his 2nd foul and its the teams first its the second half of the game probably early and the team fouls have reset. as already explained, team fouls are all of the fouls for all of the players on that team per half, with probably the exception of technicals and offensives. being on the bonus means you shoot 1 and 1. make the first and you get to shoot the second. miss the first and try to control the rebound. double bonus being a miss on the first FT is a dead ball and you get to shoot your second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgumm23 2 Posted March 10, 2012 More confused now. Not a BB fan at all Watch Louisville tonight. You will see pick n roll about every other trip down court. Usually Siva (3) and Dieng (10). Basically 10 sets screen near top of key then when the defenders go to switch he breaks down the lane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
