The 2013 Dynasty Q & A thread

[ralphster 274]

I got stuck with commish duties.

 

Cory,

 

I know Eagles and Patmos have already pledged to help, but if you're ever feeling 'stuck' please let me know. I can pitch in to help as well. More than anything else I want to be sure that the move back to MFL makes things more fun for all involved.

[coryjagfan28 0]

Oh, Im ok with it. I just prefer to sit back and play as an owner, instead of worrying about others. I got everything done. The only thing Im worried about is tracking the 3 year contracts and Taxi Squads

[madd futher mucker 36]

Oh, Im ok with it. I just prefer to sit back and play as an owner, instead of worrying about others. I got everything done. The only thing Im worried about is tracking the 3 year contracts and Taxi Squads

 

There is an easy way to do that. Simply record and carry forward every season's year opening and year closing rosters. Then assess which year the guys are in. You only need to do it twice a year. Go to our league and find my "Archives format". Bump the archives from time to time so peeps know what it is/ where to look. Interum player movements do not have to be tracked. If you can think of a better/ easier way to do it let me know.

 

BTW, your 25 CY system in the other league you've started sounds like much more of a challenge to track than zealots.

[Matt Mueller 146]

I haven't been around this thread too much but I will chime in with the 2 trades I made this off season. I made both pretty much right after the season ended.

 

1.02 and 2014 1st for 2014 2nd and David Wilson

 

2.02, 3.02 and 2014 3rd for Mark Ingram

 

RB was my biggest off season need and I think I added a couple nice young backs.

 

QB: Rodgers, Kap, Henne

RB: Forte, Ridley, Bradshaw, Ingram, P. Thomas, Woodhead, J. Bell, J. Best

WR: Harvin, Tree, Bowe, Stevie J, Holmes, Lloyd

TE: Pitta, O. Daniels, Keller

D: Seattle, Houston

 

Taxi: D. Wilson, R. Broyles, R. Streater, J. Criner

[coryjagfan28 0]

I haven't been around this thread too much but I will chime in with the 2 trades I made this off season. I made both pretty much right after the season ended.

 

1.02 and 2014 1st for 2014 2nd and David Wilson

 

2.02, 3.02 and 2014 3rd for Mark Ingram

 

RB was my biggest off season need and I think I added a couple nice young backs.

 

QB: Rodgers, Kap, Henne

RB: Forte, Ridley, Bradshaw, Ingram, P. Thomas, Woodhead, J. Bell, J. Best

WR: Harvin, Tree, Bowe, Stevie J, Holmes, Lloyd

TE: Pitta, O. Daniels, Keller

D: Seattle, Houston

 

Taxi: D. Wilson, R. Broyles, R. Streater, J. Criner

 

 

I like the Wilson trade. The Ingram, enh. Seems like alot to give up for someone who really hasnt done anything. At this point, I think youre paying more for his age than production or potential

[coryjagfan28 0]

BTW, your 25 CY system in the other league you've started sounds like much more of a challenge to track than zealots.

 

Here is the link to the league that uses the 25CY. All players with no CY have been cut during the off season. the players with CYs attached are undroppable. so it makes you HAVE to be tough when giving out CYs.

 

 

http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2012/options?L=13039&O=07

[madd futher mucker 36]

Another huge week of trades in Fat Bastards...none of them involved me

 

It started with a blockbuster:

1. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Richardson, Trent CLE RB;Britt, Kenny TEN WR;Wright, Kendall TEN WR; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns;Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns

Duh Namastes gave up Ridley, Stevan NEP RB;Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB;Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Bear D!ck Punch;Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from HitNRun

 

2. Cheesehead gave up Boldin, Anquan SFO WR; Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Cheesehead

The Druids gave up Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from The Druids

 

3. Duh Namastes gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.10;Year 2013 Draft Pick 6.09

Yeti Brethren gave up Polk, Chris PHI RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.11;Year 2013 Draft Pick 9.01

 

4. Yeti Brethren gave up Thomas, Daniel MIA RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 8.01

Schmucks gave up Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 7.01

 

and a few more big ones:

5. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

Schmucks gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.02

 

6. Yeti Brethren gave up Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR;Wilson, Marquess FA WR

Chivalrous Clowns gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;Woods, Robert FA WR

 

7. Duh Namastes gave up Brees, Drew NOS QB;Blackmon, Justin JAC WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Chivalrous Clowns gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03

 

8. The Druids gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR;Bears, Chicago CHI Def

The Hype Machines gave up Goodson, Mike NYJ RB;Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

 

9. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.01; Year 2014 Round 5 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns

Duh Namastes gave up Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Duh Namastes;Year 2014 Round 6 Draft Pick from Duh Namastes

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

i've got offers out in the "Real Deal" league. trying to send out a few more.

[420allstars 13]

Another huge week of trades in Fat Bastards...none of them involved me

 

It started with a blockbuster:

1. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Richardson, Trent CLE RB;Britt, Kenny TEN WR;Wright, Kendall TEN WR; Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns;Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns

Duh Namastes gave up Ridley, Stevan NEP RB;Stewart, Jonathan CAR RB;Thomas, Demaryius DEN WR; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Bear D!ck Punch;Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from HitNRun

 

2. Cheesehead gave up Boldin, Anquan SFO WR; Year 2014 Round 4 Draft Pick from Cheesehead

The Druids gave up Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from The Druids

 

3. Duh Namastes gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.10;Year 2013 Draft Pick 6.09

Yeti Brethren gave up Polk, Chris PHI RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.11;Year 2013 Draft Pick 9.01

 

4. Yeti Brethren gave up Thomas, Daniel MIA RB; Year 2013 Draft Pick 8.01

Schmucks gave up Jenkins, A.J. SFO WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 7.01

 

and a few more big ones:

5. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

Schmucks gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.02

 

6. Yeti Brethren gave up Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR;Wilson, Marquess FA WR

Chivalrous Clowns gave up Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;Woods, Robert FA WR

 

7. Duh Namastes gave up Brees, Drew NOS QB;Blackmon, Justin JAC WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Chivalrous Clowns gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03

 

8. The Druids gave up Jennings, Greg MIN WR;Bears, Chicago CHI Def

The Hype Machines gave up Goodson, Mike NYJ RB;Powell, Bilal NYJ RB

 

9. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.01; Year 2014 Round 5 Draft Pick from Chivalrous Clowns

Duh Namastes gave up Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Duh Namastes;Year 2014 Round 6 Draft Pick from Duh Namastes

 

wow! all that went down in one week...tons of studs getting moved over there!

[cbfalcon 824]

7. Duh Namastes gave up Brees, Drew NOS QB;Blackmon, Justin JAC WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Chivalrous Clowns gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03

 

That's as bad as I've seen anyone get ripped off in a long time.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

That's as bad as I've seen anyone get ripped off in a long time.

 

I thought this one was worse

 

 

 

 

and a few more big ones:

5. Chivalrous Clowns gave up Bryant, Dez DAL WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

Schmucks gave up Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE; Year 2013 Draft Pick 3.01;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.02

 

[Inhiding 0]

Need some advice in rebuilding (if needed) or what would you target in the rookie draft help...

 

QB: Rivers, Cassel Skelton

RB: Foster, Richardson, Hunter, Starks, J. Grimes (JAC)

WR: Gordon (CLE), Gibson (MIA), Josh Morgan (WAS), DJax, DJones (Pats), M Floys (ARI), Sanu, Holmes (NYJ), Streeter (BAL)

TE: Myers, Miller, Ladarius Green (SD)

K: Akers, Suisham

DEF: ATL

 

Picks: 2.1, 3.1, 4.1

 

was offered 1.12, Schaub, Ryan Matthews for T. Rich. While that sounds tempting considering my QB situation I would get another QB who is a starter, but losing RB depth (which I could find with 1.12 and 2.1)

 

I hate trades!! i never know if I am getting fleeced or a decent deal.... this is my first dynasty league but we have been running for 3 years now.

 

Thanks in advance

[Kopy 491]

Need some advice in rebuilding (if needed) or what would you target in the rookie draft help...

 

QB: Rivers, Cassel Skelton

RB: Foster, Richardson, Hunter, Starks, J. Grimes (JAC)

WR: Gordon (CLE), Gibson (MIA), Josh Morgan (WAS), DJax, DJones (Pats), M Floys (ARI), Sanu, Holmes (NYJ), Streeter (BAL)

TE: Myers, Miller, Ladarius Green (SD)

K: Akers, Suisham

DEF: ATL

 

Picks: 2.1, 3.1, 4.1

 

was offered 1.12, Schaub, Ryan Matthews for T. Rich. While that sounds tempting considering my QB situation I would get another QB who is a starter, but losing RB depth (which I could find with 1.12 and 2.1)

 

I hate trades!! i never know if I am getting fleeced or a decent deal.... this is my first dynasty league but we have been running for 3 years now.

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

I wouldn't do it. When I look at cleveland, I think they're a QB,TE and another WR from being a very young, good team for quit a while.

That would make Trich even more valuable than he already is. And imo. it's huge value, and you'd have to break the bank to get him from me, if I had him. Mathews and 1.12 wouldn't come close to doing that.

 

And yes, you would upgrade your backup QB greatly. But unless you get points for have either Schaub, or Rivers on your bench, those points you get for the QB upgrade, won't help you come gameday.

I just think Trich is far to valuable to consider that deal.

 

* On a side note. Have you ever thought at all at trading Foster, in order to get better quicker?

I've always been in the minority around here when it comes to him. But I still don't think he's anything special. Every RB that has run for Houston has put up points. To me, when you have Daynes,Lundy's,Tate's. Heck, even Ryan Moats playing well. To me, it's the system, not the player.

 

You could always sell Foster now, while he's valuable until the next guy comes along for them.

 

Just a thought.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

Need some advice in rebuilding (if needed) or what would you target in the rookie draft help...

 

QB: Rivers, Cassel Skelton

RB: Foster, Richardson, Hunter, Starks, J. Grimes (JAC)

WR: Gordon (CLE), Gibson (MIA), Josh Morgan (WAS), DJax, DJones (Pats), M Floys (ARI), Sanu, Holmes (NYJ), Streeter (BAL)

TE: Myers, Miller, Ladarius Green (SD)

K: Akers, Suisham

DEF: ATL

 

Picks: 2.1, 3.1, 4.1

 

was offered 1.12, Schaub, Ryan Matthews for T. Rich. While that sounds tempting considering my QB situation I would get another QB who is a starter, but losing RB depth (which I could find with 1.12 and 2.1)

 

I hate trades!! i never know if I am getting fleeced or a decent deal.... this is my first dynasty league but we have been running for 3 years now.

 

Thanks in advance

 

i would not do that trade. Schaub is not an upgrade from Rivers. Your team is in good shape minus WR where your top guys are DJax, Gordon and Holmes (when healthy).

 

I would give some thought to trading one of those RB's either Foster or Richardson but you have to get a 2nd tier RB and a good WR in return. Basically, take a small hit at RB in order to drastically upgrade your WR spot.

[Matts Eagles 25]

2 deals that happened on one of my leagues:

 

 

Team A gets

Spiller, Fred Jackson, Alshon Jeffery, rookie pick 3.12

 

Team B gets

Lamar Miller, Jimmy Graham, 2014 2nd round pick

 

 

 

 

Team A gets

rookie pick 2.10 and a 2014 1st rounder

 

Team B gets

Mendenhall, Bernard Scott, pick 3.07, 3.11

[Kopy 491]

2 deals that happened on one of my leagues:

 

 

Team A gets

Spiller, Fred Jackson, Alshon Jeffery, rookie pick 3.12

 

Team B gets

Lamar Miller, Jimmy Graham, 2014 2nd round pick

 

 

 

 

Team A gets

rookie pick 2.10 and a 2014 1st rounder

 

Team B gets

Mendenhall, Bernard Scott, pick 3.07, 3.11

 

The first trade seems pretty even to me. If I really needed a TE badly, I'd probably go with team B. If I had Te's, but needed a rb. I'd take team A.

 

The second trade. I'd much rather walk away with team A's side of things.

[Kopy 491]

Question for everyone. With the latest news on Justin Blackmon. What do you think his trade value could be in terms of dealing for him, using 2013, and 2014 picks?

 

Would it now even be worth it? Both in terms of the Jags QB situation/offense. And of course now his history. If his signing bonus doesn't mean anything to him, why would the rest of his career?

[Quickolas1 80]

QB: Rivers, Cassel, Skelton

RB: Foster, Richardson

 

was offered 1.12, Schaub, Ryan Matthews for T. Rich. While that sounds tempting considering my QB situation I would get another QB who is a starter, but losing RB depth (which I could find with 1.12 and 2.1)

 

I hate trades!! i never know if I am getting fleeced or a decent deal.... this is my first dynasty league but we have been running for 3 years now.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Top 5 RB for a whole lot of nothing?

Dynasty league experience not needed for this immediate decline!

[rholio 339]

Top 5 RB for a whole lot of nothing?

Dynasty league experience not needed for this immediate decline!

+1

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

My lack of RB depth and injuries seemed to be the biggest reason my team wasnt at the top of the league last year. I look at my roster and see a lot of potential this year but feel a little uneasy considering ladt years ending. Of course when 420 dropped 210 points on me in one game i dont think a loss could have been avoided.

 

Does this roster seem to have potential this year, or does my lack of rb depth still seem too glaring?

 

Brees, bradford, kolb

Spiller, donald brown, helu, vereen, mario fanin, turner

Fitzgerald, jordy nelson, garcon, denario alexander, hankerson, avery, a.j. jenkins

Graham, housler

 

He best pick i have this year is 2.10

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

My lack of RB depth and injuries seemed to be the biggest reason my team wasnt at the top of the league last year. I look at my roster and see a lot of potential this year but feel a little uneasy considering ladt years ending. Of course when 420 dropped 210 points on me in one game i dont think a loss could have been avoided.

 

Does this roster seem to have potential this year, or does my lack of rb depth still seem too glaring?

 

Brees, bradford, kolb

Spiller, donald brown, helu, vereen, mario fanin, turner

Fitzgerald, jordy nelson, garcon, denario alexander, hankerson, avery, a.j. jenkins

Graham, housler

 

He best pick i have this year is 2.10

 

looks like a victim of the TE early philosophy.

 

Your WR's look a little boom bust but if all boom could be a really good unit. RB behind Spiller is a mess. I think Vereen will be your 2nd most productive at the moment.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

looks like a victim of the TE early philosophy.

 

Your WR's look a little boom bust but if all boom could be a really good unit. RB behind Spiller is a mess. I think Vereen will be your 2nd most productive at the moment.

Haha i dont know if you can call me a victim since i was the most vocal TE early promoter. TEs get 1.5 points for every 10 yards receiving whereas a receiver would get 1 point for 10 yards. Well actually .15 for every yard. It makes a big yardage TE very valuable. If graham can rebound from a down year he will make up for some of a rb deficiency.

 

I do have a hole there though. I was trying to draft rbs later and find value. Unfortunately i missed on damn near every rb i drafted.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

Haha i dont know if you can call me a victim since i was the most vocal TE early promoter. TEs get 1.5 points for every 10 yards receiving whereas a receiver would get 1 point for 10 yards. Well actually .15 for every yard. It makes a big yardage TE very valuable. If graham can rebound from a down year he will make up for some of a rb deficiency.

 

I do have a hole there though. I was trying to draft rbs later and find value. Unfortunately i missed on damn near every rb i drafted.

 

well thats good. im not a fan of that scoring but it definitely helps you out.

 

i guess i'd be looking to move a WR for a RB or maybe even dealing Brees for a RB + lesser QB.

[Stewburtx8 67]

My lack of RB depth and injuries seemed to be the biggest reason my team wasnt at the top of the league last year. I look at my roster and see a lot of potential this year but feel a little uneasy considering ladt years ending. Of course when 420 dropped 210 points on me in one game i dont think a loss could have been avoided.

 

Does this roster seem to have potential this year, or does my lack of rb depth still seem too glaring?

 

Brees, bradford, kolb

Spiller, donald brown, helu, vereen, mario fanin, turner

Fitzgerald, jordy nelson, garcon, denario alexander, hankerson, avery, a.j. jenkins

Graham, housler

 

He best pick i have this year is 2.10

 

 

Assuming you have to start 2 RB's, I'd be trying to trade a WR for a RB that at least has a starting job. I do like Shane Vereen a lot this season, especially in PPR. But I don't know if you want to count on him as your #2 guy with no depth behind him. I'd dangle any of your WR's to try to net another starting RB.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Move Spiller to me for Ridley, Bradshaw, Woodhead and a 2014 2nd.

[Cstriker 2]

Fat Scoundrels Draft: http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=69124&O=17

Fat Scoundrels Rosters: http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2013/options?L=69124&O=07

 

My roster is Shepherd. Probably the weakest roster for 2013. I went more after younger players with potential over proven talent in the middle to late rounds. And i think everyone include me agrees that Lacy in the 3rd is a reach. But i did not want to miss out on him, despite the toe surgery concern.

 

My notable trades.

 

Give up Lesean Mcoy, 2014 2nd, 2014 3rd, 18th/19th in current draft Get Steven Jackson 2014 1st, 2014 1st, 14.08,14.09 in the current draft

 

Give up Steven Jackson, 2014 3rd, Get Reggie Bush 2014 1st.

 

RBs on my starting roster: Bush, Bell, Lacy , Michael

 

 

Sitting on 3 first round picks for next years draft. I think finishing atleast 3rd in the division and making playoffs, is still possible with this roster if injuries spare me. What ya'l think?

[Stewburtx8 67]

Hard for me to comment too much on your team CStriker because I've been pretty open about saying I don't put a TON of value on playing for the future when the present is right in front of me in dynasty leagues. I'm a win NOW kind of fantasy player. So your strategy is completely opposite of the strategy I would of took. That's not to say it can't work, I just don't personally like it, especially in a league with 3 year contracts. Too much can happen between now and next years draft to really know what the value of those picks are. I also agree that Eddie Lacy was a BIG reach. But I personally like Johnathan Franklin better in Green Bay.

 

I see a bunch of rookies taken in the 3rd and 4th round that seem like reaches to me. I'm not a big fan of this rookie group. Especially when top 5 QB's like Rodgers, Brees, Newton, Kaepernick, Luck, etc., could be had in the same range.

 

My favorite team is probably Tee2Green. Not the deepest team, but the trio of Foster/Green/Rodgers is a tremendous group for the present and future. He added very solid PPR guys like Sproles, Welker, and even Stevie Johnson as well.

 

I'll take a closer look at things tomorrow and probably add some more thoughts then. I probably missed something.

[Cstriker 2]

Thanks for the comments strew. I agree with you about the varying approaches and the latter (mine) being less of a beaten path and in this context an unproven one. I did it a bit reluctantly. But I started to believe, if you are to build a future monster you have to look for future value now. An excellent example of this working, is the team CinncinatiPrancers in the FatBastard's League run by MfM.

 

One of the things i did through out the draft was to pick players with a great situation and a perceived potential for a high ceiling. And i think the make or break factor is how accurate my perception is. For eg: Maclin, Torrey, Fleener.

 

I tried to reduce the emotional picks that usually go against future value strategy. But i succumbed once in picking Luck , when i could have had Brees, Brady, Manning 2 or 3 rounds later. And another in picking Lacy. You could argue the Christine Michael pick was also another example, but another team was ready to pick him 3 picks later (Lynch owner).

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I am having trouble finding current rookie drafts. Anyone have a link to a few?

[Matts Eagles 25]

Hate to advertise other site but this forum shows some rookie drafts

 

 

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=679515

 

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Hate to advertise other site but this forum shows some rookie drafts

 

 

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=679515

 

Much appreciated matt. The first draft with patterson being taken first is a little odd imo, but i guess that early before the draft the evaluation is more focused on talent than situation.

[Matts Eagles 25]

Much appreciated matt. The first draft with patterson being taken first is a little odd imo, but i guess that early before the draft the evaluation is more focused on talent than situation.

No problem....This years draft is all over the place...It depends on needs and format most..I guess

[lesjroza 70]

Hard for me to comment too much on your team CStriker because I've been pretty open about saying I don't put a TON of value on playing for the future when the present is right in front of me in dynasty leagues. I'm a win NOW kind of fantasy player. So your strategy is completely opposite of the strategy I would of took. That's not to say it can't work, I just don't personally like it, especially in a league with 3 year contracts. Too much can happen between now and next years draft to really know what the value of those picks are. I also agree that Eddie Lacy was a BIG reach. But I personally like Johnathan Franklin better in Green Bay.

 

I see a bunch of rookies taken in the 3rd and 4th round that seem like reaches to me. I'm not a big fan of this rookie group. Especially when top 5 QB's like Rodgers, Brees, Newton, Kaepernick, Luck, etc., could be had in the same range.

 

My favorite team is probably Tee2Green. Not the deepest team, but the trio of Foster/Green/Rodgers is a tremendous group for the present and future. He added very solid PPR guys like Sproles, Welker, and even Stevie Johnson as well.

 

I'll take a closer look at things tomorrow and probably add some more thoughts then. I probably missed something.

 

It could be instructive to go back and look at an example of what can happen if everything falls the right way with a strategy that has at least a significant portion of the focus on the future value as opposed to win now in a dyansty league. I am in no way trying to call you out on comments you have made in the past. All feedback is very much appreciated by myself and I'm sure everybody in this forum because its highest and best use is for us all to see different anlges and perspectives to enhance and broaden our own point of view. I get as much or more wrong as anybody on these pages so please don't take this as a I am smarter than you post though I know some readers will no matter how I parse my words.

 

Last year I drafted a team for a similar startup league called the Zealots and switched my tactics by the 7th round because a future value opportunity was presenting itself IMO. I don't know if you remember the team but it was fairly clear to all including myself, that the tactic cost me almost any chance of competing year 1.

 

Here are your comments regarding the team after viewing the draft and rosters:

 

"Really good post (or series of posts) lesjroza. Good insight in to your draft. I'll give you some of my thoughts because it's fun to talk about this stuff...especially when my drafts are still over a month away. I'm not currently in a dynasty league, but certainly love to discuss fantasy sports in all forms.

 

As for your draft strategy, I think the thing that hurt you the most in my opinion was giving up 1.03 and 5.04 for the 1.01 and 7.01. I think that is a steep price to pay just to move from the #3 to #1 spot, especially when the guy I would of seriously considered at #1 overall was available at #3 (Ray Rice). At the very least, I think Rice and Foster (and McCoy) are close enough that I wouldn't want to give up that 20+ pick difference from the 5.04 to 7.01. I think the 5th round is loaded with solid WR's or TE's and you missed out on acquiring a really solid player to plug in to your starting lineup this season.

 

As for the picks you did make, I like what you did with your first 5 picks. Peterson could be a steal where you took him assuming he returns to his old self. I am not a big Dez Bryant fan (and probably would of took a few WR's over him), but he obviously has a high ceiling if he ever realizes his potential. I really like Mike Wallace where you got him. He's young and another explosive player. Eli Manning is one of my favorite mid range QB's.

 

Now from the 7th round on is where I think you hurt your team for THIS year at least and why I wouldn't rank it as one of my favorite teams. You went VERY youth heavy and gave up your draft for next year to get Andrew Luck. If Andrew Luck is the stud QB you expect him to be though, this could pay off. I have no problem with where you took him, but you did pay a steep price to get there, especially if you end up with a high pick next year. Tate is probably a necessity for Arian Foster owners, so I understand that pick. After that you went David Wilson, Ronnie Hillman, Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright with your next 4 picks. A lot of talent/future value here, but I don't expect any of them to make a big impact this season. Wright and Hillman may be decent, and Wilson could jump in value if Bradshaw gets hurt. You also missed the boat on the value of TE's in this league by not taking one until the 13th round (Heath Miller).

 

Overall, you have A LOT of future value here. As I said earlier, I'm more of a "win now" guy, especially in a league with only 3 year contracts. But with the right growth from your young guys, and some savvy trades, I think your team has a lot of long term potential. I'd just be surprised if this was a top contending team this year, because the depth just isn't there after the first 5 picks in my opinion."

 

It was a very good assesment of my roster within the context of what was known at the time.

 

Here is the post-script. That roster ended up tied for the best record and scored the most points in the league in year 1 so was the top seeded team in the playoffs. The team did lose the championship to another team which yourself, I, and others had pegged as an outstanding "win now" roster but my team could just as easily have won in any given week and the team is now really well positioned going forward due to the tactic. Here is the current roster.

 

Luck Freeman

 

AP D. Murray Ballard Tate Pierce

 

Dez Andre Johnson Cobb D. Amendola D. Moore K. Wright

 

Gronkowski Gresham H. Miller L. Green

 

When a future value focus works, it can work big, and provide a sustained competitive advantage for many years

 

I do agree with you regarding this years rookie class incidentally, and have traded away all of my 1st round picks in all of my leagues save one, but the above is an example of how things can change drastically when looking in retrospect. Along with the above roster I have only a 4th round pick in this years draft, but have 4 1st round picks and 4 2nd round picks in 2014 so the current roster value is even greater than the names owned would have it appear..

[rholio 339]

This draft class is getting a bit of a bad rap. The top of the draft is weak, agreed, but it is a very deep draft imo. The 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th rounds this year are good spots to stock up on picks.

[lesjroza 70]

I think you have to define deep. I agree with you in the sense that there are players with a similar value that stretch from say the back half of the 1st to through most of the 2nd round but I would challenge you to do this. Look at what you think the upside is for these players who are mostly WRs and then take a look at veteran WRs from say WR 20-WR49.

 

IMO the upside of most of these rookies is just more of what can be had fairly cheaply due to the plentiful nature of the current veteran WR pool and this doesn't account for the bust factor of rookies which is significant.

 

I could be wrong of course and there is no doubt that some of these guys will hit in any given year, but even though there is a fair amount of negativity reagarding this rookie class I think it is still actually overvalued realtive to the risk/reward of veteran players based on the draft slots I have seen rookies being taken in startups so far this year.

 

I have purposely avoided commenting on the rookie class extensively here because I don't want to be a downer and many of my leaguemates frequent these boards. I am aware that this is the most exciting time of the year for dynasty owners and those with picks are excited to restock and deservedly so. I am excited myself to see my leaguemates draft and even to throw an offer or two out if one of the guys I like drops, but that doesn't change my evaluation of this class as a whole being significantly sub standard.

 

I am curious to know who you think are the great value targets in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rholio and how you see their upside in the NFL.

[rholio 339]

I've only had one rookie draft so far this year, but we had the following I consider good bargains past round 1:

 

2.1 WR Robert Woods, BUF- should start this season in an offense that is trying to go uptempo.

2.2 WR Markus Wheaton, PIT- good deep receiver in an offense that uses them.

2.4 RB Zac Stacy, L.A.- goalline should be his, may be the starter as well.

2.5 WR Aaron Dobson, N.E.- already projected as a starter from what I've seen so far.

2.12 QB Geno Smith, N.Y.J.- will start at some point this year.

3.6 TE Zach Ertz, PHI- will likely be the move TE in two TE sets and split time in one TE sets.

3.8 WR Josh Boyce, N.E.- competing with several others for a #2 or #3 spot.

3.11 RB Latavius Murray, OAK- expected to be the #2 behinf oft injured Darren McFadden, could replace him if McFadden misses time once again.

3.12 WR Ryan Swope, ARI- shot at being the #3, could move up in a year or two.

4.4 QB Mike Glennon, T.B.- one Freeman slump away from getting his shot, may start next season when Freeman becomes a free agent.

4.5 WR Charles Johnson, G.B.- track star speed and huge production in a weak conferance, signed with a great offense that spreads the ball around.

4.6 WR Tavaress King, DEN- shot at being the #4 this year, could move up in a couple seasons.

4.8 RB Knile Davis, K.C.- great talent, poor RB. Team is working one him, could be great if given the right training / chance.

4.11 QB Matt Barkley, PHI- likely starts in Philly next season if Vick doesn't produce.

5.3 QB Tylor Wilson, OAK- may earn the start by the time the season starts.

5.4 RB Kerwynn Williams, IND- not a lot in front of him at this point, could replace Brown this season, Ballard in a year or two.

 

There's talent there, the problems with this draft are at the top imo.

[Matt Mueller 146]

Les, def some great late picks, but I think the biggest factor in your team's success was simply AP. I don't think anyone saw that coming. In retrospect it is shameful that our league allowed you to pair him with Foster.

I'm also surprised with the Cobb post draft analysis. He seemed to be pretty coveted and not a speculative pick at all. I remember waiting to pick him when 420 asked me to trade up and I told him 'I know who you want and I'm picking him if he is there.' I was right.

Looking forward to dyno mos!

[Kopy 491]

What is everyone's opinion on Santonio Holmes's dynasty value?

Does the guy have anything left in the tank? If a league stars 4 wr's. Can he still be counted on as a 3 or 4. Or is he done.

[Matt Mueller 146]

What is everyone's opinion on Santonio Holmes's dynasty value?

Does the guy have anything left in the tank? If a league stars 4 wr's. Can he still be counted on as a 3 or 4. Or is he done.

 

I think he could have sneaky value this year. Keller is gone and he is really the most complete WR on the team. Kerley is another possibility as well, more PPR, as is Hill, more standard, but if anyone holds consistent value Holmes is my bet.

[Cstriker 2]

Will not touch holmes with a ten foot pole. Guy is an average talent and a diva , that never had his quarterback's confidence, no matter where he played.

 

My money is on kerley.