Unfit for Work: the startling rise of disability in America

[drobeski 3,061]

And it's sux by tko

[DankNuggs 305]

I don;t think there's anyone here who would argue any of that. It's also not what you've been saying up till now.

Consider all of my complaints towards this administration run concurrently with complaining about all past administrations in history so you can salve yourself that im not just picking on Obama. Its irrelevant, but apparently the political correct way to be critical of .gov...

[GobbleDog 997]

Guess I was correct.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/06/04/add-disability-to-obamas-anti-jobs-policies/

Why have disabilities increased by 20 percent under the Obama administration? Have Americans have suddenly become less healthy or more accident prone? Under normal conditions, we expect disabilities to rise with the population, which would be a four percent increase, not a 20 percent increase. It should be noted that disability is meant only for long-term health problems. Unemployment insurance and worker compensation are there for short term issues.

 

A study by the super-non partisan National Bureau of Economic Research explains the reasons for the rise in disability.

 

First, the Social Security Administration now places more weight on self-reported pain and discomfort, has relaxed the screening of mental illness, and accepts medical evidence from the applicant’s own doctor. The share of awards for mental illness rose from 16 percent in 1983 to one third in 2010, while the share of back pain rose from 13 percent in 1983 to 28 percent. Together they account for more than half of disabilities. Of the 2.7 million workers on disability for mental disorders, 1.7 million have “intellectual and mood disorders.” Even young people can be declared disabled if they get nervous at work or school, have attention deficit disorders, or are not very intelligent.

I'm no fan of Obama by any means, but what exactly did Obama do to relax the screening of health illness, change medical evidence, allow metal illness, etc... Did he create a new law or something?

 

Is there a direct correlation or is it coincidence that someone else allowed that to happen around the same time Obama started stinking up the White House?

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I'm no fan of Obama by any means, but what exactly did Obama do to relax the screening of health illness, change medical evidence, allow metal illness, etc... Did he create a new law or something?

 

Is there a direct correlation or is it coincidence that someone else allowed that to happen around the same time Obama started stinking up the White House?

 

This guy gets it.

 

Insofar as I know Obama has not enacted policies or laws that make it much easier for one to receive disability. If this is incorrect, by all means point it out.

[DankNuggs 305]

I'm no fan of Obama by any means, but what exactly did Obama do to relax the screening of health illness, change medical evidence, allow metal illness, etc... Did he create a new law or something?

 

Is there a direct correlation or is it coincidence that someone else allowed that to happen around the same time Obama started stinking up the White House?

'Pivoting' at some point to the economy might help people feel they have better opportunities working an honest living rather than tring to scam the system for 13k a year... But i know the economy is out of his control, spending is out of his control, congress is out of his control, leading is out of his control.

 

What he does control is pet entitlement projects and amnesty... Apparently that is all he is capable of controlling.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

I'm no fan of Obama by any means, but what exactly did Obama do to relax the screening of health illness, change medical evidence, allow metal illness, etc... Did he create a new law or something?

 

Is there a direct correlation or is it coincidence that someone else allowed that to happen around the same time Obama started stinking up the White House?

I never claimed he did

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Worms, Nikki and the rest of your Downs Syndrome club Bump

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I never claimed he did

 

That would seem to be the end of your little "argument" then, wouldn't it?

[SUXBNME 1,516]

That would seem to be the end of your little "argument" then, wouldn't it?

I stated an opinion that I thought would prolly be correct.

I said I didn't know the facts

You and the rest of elitists (Newbie not included in this one) then procceded to tell me how stupid I am.

I spent 2 minutes today looking up some facts that pretty much proved my point.

And the above is all you can say?

[gocolts 300]

I stated an opinion that I thought would prolly be correct.

I said I didn't know the facts

You and the rest of elitists (Newbie not included in this one) then procceded to tell me how stupid I am.

I spent 2 minutes today looking up some facts that pretty much proved my point.

And the above is all you can say?

Didn't someone say you should not post in these threads and it is embarrassing that you do. :rolleyes:

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Didn't someone say you should not post in these threads and it is embarrassing that you do. :rolleyes:

Darling Nikki

[GobbleDog 997]

I never claimed he did

I didn't say you did, but the story certainly implied it...

 

Why have disabilities increased by 20 percent under the Obama administration? ...

[SUXBNME 1,516]

I didn't say you did, but the story certainly implied it...

Yea, it did. I didn't want to quote that part because it wasn't relevent to my point. (the blaming Obama only aspect.)

It did have the facts that I was looking for, though.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Guess I was correct.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/06/04/add-disability-to-obamas-anti-jobs-policies/

You said:

I don't know for a fact, but I'd be willing to bet that it is alot easier to get paid for falsely claiming disability during our current administration versus any time else in our history.

As we really don't know which claims are false, all we can look at is the number and percentage of claims that are approved. The number of claims has been going up, as detailed nicely in IGW's link, but the percentage of claims approved has gone down. So I'm not sure how you can state it is easier to get paid: Stats here

 

Pay particular attention to the increase in payments over each year - it has consistently been between 3 and 6% from 1998 to 2012 - spanning several presidents.

 

And you definitely suggested the "current administration" enables false disability - if you believe this to be the case, what policies from the current administration have promoted this phenomenon (are the reasons in your link new policies)?

[SUXBNME 1,516]

You said: As we really don't know which claims are false, all we can look at is the number and percentage of claims that are approved. The number of claims has been going up, as detailed nicely in IGW's link, but the percentage of claims approved has gone down. So I'm not sure how you can state it is easier to get paid: Stats here Pay particular attention to the increase in payments over each year - it has consistently been between 3 and 6% from 1998 to 2012.

 

And you definitely suggested the "current administration" enables false disability - if you believe this to be the case, what policies from the current administration have promoted this phenomenon?

Nope. I'm not suggesting that, but it wouldn't suprise me.

I'm drunk...leave me alone

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

You said: As we really don't know which claims are false, all we can look at is the number and percentage of claims that are approved. The number of claims has been going up, as detailed nicely in IGW's link, but the percentage of claims approved has gone down. So I'm not sure how you can state it is easier to get paid: Stats here

 

Pay particular attention to the increase in payments over each year - it has consistently been between 3 and 6% from 1998 to 2012 - spanning several presidents.

 

And you definitely suggested the "current administration" enables false disability - if you believe this to be the case, what policies from the current administration have promoted this phenomenon (are the reasons in your link new policies)?

 

Sux, gocolts and Drobe have all implied that Sux was right, It's sort of like the Three Stooges congratulating themselves on a job well-done.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Sux, gocolts and Drobe have all implied that Sux was right, It's sort of like the Three Stooges congratulating themselves on a job well-done.

Don't forget RP

[penultimatestraw 473]

Don't forget RP

The critical thinking equivalent of Curly Joe.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

The critical thinking equivalent of Curly Joe.

Of course, Sux was 100% correct in his statement.

 

That part is easy for you rubes to ignore.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Of course, Sux was 100% correct in his statement.

 

That part is easy for you rubes to ignore.

Please reread the stats from the link in post #174. We have no idea how many claims are "false" - it is conceivable that there actually are more legitimate disabilities, especially considering our penchant for CBF-hood. And approval % of new claims is actually down, so it isn't statistically any easier to get disability.

 

All we know is the total number of disabled (and applications) has gone up, at a yearly rate comparable to previous years. Including the ones prior to the current administration.

 

The "rubes" are arguing that disability has been increasing for a while, and both parties have enabled it. The numbers bear this out far better than Sux' uneducated guess, Shemp.

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Please reread the stats from the link in post #174. We have no idea how many claims are "false" - it is conceivable that there actually are more legitimate disabilities, especially considering our penchant for CBF-hood. And approval % of new claims is actually down, so it isn't statistically any easier to get disability.

 

All we know is the total number of disabled (and applications) has gone up, at a yearly rate comparable to previous years. Including the ones prior to the current administration.

 

The "rubes" are arguing that disability has been increasing for a while, and both parties have enabled it. The numbers bear this out far better than Sux' uneducated guess, Shemp.

 

He's not smart enough to be Shemp.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

I wish MDC had never called RP a "rube". He constantly mimicks the word now with no apparent understanding of its meaning. Like an especially retarded parrot.

[MDC 7,491]

I wish MDC had never called RP a "rube". He constantly mimicks the word now with no apparent understanding of its meaning. Like an especially retarded parrot.

 

RP fell for the ole FBI surveillance van fiasco. It was either rube or Grade A sucker.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

RP fell for the ole FBI surveillance van fiasco. It was either rube or Grade A sucker.

 

Oh the label fit for sure. It's just that RP admires you so much that he's been calling everyone a rube ever since.

[MDC 7,491]

Oh the label fit for sure. It's just that RP admires you so much that he's been calling everyone a rube ever since.

 

I can't stop him from swinging from my Johnson. Sorry.

[Phurfur 70]

Under the Obama administration more people have gone on SSI than have found jobs.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Under the Obama administration more people have gone on SSI than have found jobs.

 

Link?

[Phurfur 70]

Link?

 

You poor clueless bastard!

 

 

(CNN) -- Anyone watching the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night heard the number 4.5 million several times.

 

"Despite incredible odds and united Republican opposition, our president took action, and now we've seen 4.5 million new jobs," San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, the party's keynote speaker, said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs

 

A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.

 

Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/business/042012-608418-ssdi-disability-rolls-skyrocket-under-obama.htm#ixzz2P8YCHZuI

 

Here is another stat for you.

 

With the latest jobs report, it is now the case that "Under Obama, Food Stamp Growth [is] 75 Times Greater Than Job Creation," according to statistics compiled by the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee. "For Every Person Added to Jobs Rolls Since January 2009, 75 People Added To Food Stamp Rolls."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/food-stamp-growth-75x-greater-job-creation_660073.html

[SUXBNME 1,516]

You poor clueless bastard!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is another stat for you.

Worms is losing this thread

[nikki2200 4]

Yea, it did. I didn't want to quote that part because it wasn't relevent to my point. (the blaming Obama only aspect.)

It did have the facts that I was looking for, though.

 

Total number of people awarded disability:

 

2001 - 691,309

2008 - 895,011

 

Percentage increase: 29.5%

 

Total people collecting disability:

 

2001 - 5,274,183

2008 - 7,427,203

 

Percentage increase: 40.8%

 

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibStat.html

 

I don't think Obama was running the country into the ground between 2001 and 2008, was he?

 

If you read the focking article we were talking about instead of posting the typical Obama is bad BS in an attempt to turn the whole discussion into an Obama-hate circle jerk, you would know that the whole focking point of the article is SSD benefits have been increasing every year for a very long time, it seems to have started when Clinton passed the welfare reform in the mid-90s, and no one is talking about it.

 

Congrats for figuring out that SSD benefits increased under Obama. The article you refuse to read said that too. The article was trying to dig into why and it had nothing to do with Obama. You spent 20 minutes looking for data to support that SSD benefits increased under Obama, when everyone who read the article already knew that, but you refuse to read the article that was the point of the whole thread? Why? Are you afraid of something? Too many big words?

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Worms is losing this thread

 

Unpossible, you wrapped up losing the thread long ago.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I wish MDC had never called RP a "rube". He constantly mimicks the word now with no apparent understanding of its meaning. Like an especially retarded parrot.

I don't recall him using rube, but he throws so many names out there it's hard to keep up.

 

Also, I wasn't aware he copyrighted the word, Matlock.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Please reread the stats from the link in post #174. We have no idea how many claims are "false" - it is conceivable that there actually are more legitimate disabilities, especially considering our penchant for CBF-hood. And approval % of new claims is actually down, so it isn't statistically any easier to get disability.

 

All we know is the total number of disabled (and applications) has gone up, at a yearly rate comparable to previous years. Including the ones prior to the current administration.

 

The "rubes" are arguing that disability has been increasing for a while, and both parties have enabled it. The numbers bear this out far better than Sux' uneducated guess, Shemp.

Sux is still 100% correct, Sport.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Worms is losing this thread

He posted in it, didn't he?

[nikki2200 4]

Sux is still 100% correct, Sport.

 

 

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2001-2008: 40.3%

 

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2009-2012: 35.3%

 

What exactly is he correct about?

[Mike Honcho 5,294]

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2001-2008: 40.3%

 

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2009-2012: 35.3%

 

What exactly is he correct about?

 

Did you see the thread about critical thinking skills and Texas? RP's the poster boy.

[gocolts 300]

Total number of people awarded disability:

 

2001 - 691,309

2008 - 895,011

 

Percentage increase: 29.5%

 

Total people collecting disability:

 

2001 - 5,274,183

2008 - 7,427,203

 

Percentage increase: 40.8%

 

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibStat.html

 

I don't think Obama was running the country into the ground between 2001 and 2008, was he?

 

If you read the focking article we were talking about instead of posting the typical Obama is bad BS in an attempt to turn the whole discussion into an Obama-hate circle jerk, you would know that the whole focking point of the article is SSD benefits have been increasing every year for a very long time, it seems to have started when Clinton passed the welfare reform in the mid-90s, and no one is talking about it.

 

Congrats for figuring out that SSD benefits increased under Obama. The article you refuse to read said that too. The article was trying to dig into why and it had nothing to do with Obama. You spent 20 minutes looking for data to support that SSD benefits increased under Obama, when everyone who read the article already knew that, but you refuse to read the article that was the point of the whole thread? Why? Are you afraid of something? Too many big words?

Sux hasn't figured out that EVERYTHING bad that happens is someone else's fault while EVERYTHING good that happens is due to Obama's greatness.

[SUXBNME 1,516]

Total number of people awarded disability:

 

2001 - 691,309

2008 - 895,011

 

Percentage increase: 29.5%

 

Total people collecting disability:

 

2001 - 5,274,183

2008 - 7,427,203

 

Percentage increase: 40.8%

 

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/dibStat.html

 

I don't think Obama was running the country into the ground between 2001 and 2008, was he?

 

If you read the focking article we were talking about instead of posting the typical Obama is bad BS in an attempt to turn the whole discussion into an Obama-hate circle jerk, you would know that the whole focking point of the article is SSD benefits have been increasing every year for a very long time, it seems to have started when Clinton passed the welfare reform in the mid-90s, and no one is talking about it.

 

Congrats for figuring out that SSD benefits increased under Obama. The article you refuse to read said that too. The article was trying to dig into why and it had nothing to do with Obama. You spent 20 minutes looking for data to support that SSD benefits increased under Obama, when everyone who read the article already knew that, but you refuse to read the article that was the point of the whole thread? Why? Are you afraid of something? Too many big words?

Seriously.... why do you post in these threads? It's embarrassing.

[gocolts 300]

Seriously.... why do you post in these threads? It's embarrassing.

It is sure is entertaining though.

[Phurfur 70]

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2001-2008: 40.3%

 

Average percentage of SSD applications approved 2009-2012: 35.3%

 

What exactly is he correct about?

 

What you don't understand is that the SSI rolls doubled in 4 years under Obama. It is not the percentage approved that is important but the number added to the SSI rolls.

 

Can you grasp this simple concept? 40.3% of 1 million is less than 35.3% of two million.

 

Actually the increased number of rejected applications should show you just how bad the State of the Union is.

 

Did you know that under Obama more people when on SSI than found new jobs? That has never happened before, it is not even close.