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T-Rich had one practise, expect a better performance next week against horrible Jax....Also, Bradshaw had a good game, but it's only a matter of time before he's out with another injury. T-RICH is the back to own there. Sell high on Bradshaw.

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I can see a crash coming.....

 

Trich

21 rushes

74 yards

0 TD

1 Fumble

 

3 reception

18 yards

 

That's about average for him this year I think.

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The catch and run on the 2nd half of the video is beast! absolutely beast!

 

:headbanger:

When he gets to full speed it's like trying to stop a freight train! That's the T-Rich we are all hoping to see tomorrow!

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Personally, I've been unimpressed by Richardson.

 

That said, if he can't run wild vs Jax who is #31 vs the run giving up 5.2 per carry, we'll pretty much know what he is.

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lol Richardson still under-performing.

 

How amusing is it that Richardson got 20 carries and was NOT the leading rusher on his team? o.O

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lol Richardson still under-performing.

Most running backs are under-performing this year, and the trend will continue and get worse. The days of having backs at 5YPC are over. Only the VERY elite backs (ADP,McCoy) will be over 5. Line-men are bigger, gaps are smaller and defenders don't miss assignments anymore.

 

Spiller 3.5

Martin 3.4

Lynch 3.9

Foster 3.8

CJ 3.3

Ridley 3.7

Drew 2.4

Wilson 3.4

Richardson (couldn't find on NFL.com for some reason, guessing 3.3)

 

The long carries are coming from RB draws where defenses are spread and there's large running lanes opened up the middle. ....... The backs mentioned above are arguably are in the top 20 RB's in the world. They're the best this planet has to offer, but are all struggling.

 

I don't have time to sit here all day and argue why Richardson isn't averaging more than 4 YPC so I'll just sum up what I want to say.....The RB position has changed and so should our expectations. Lower them, it'll save us all from arguing LOL

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How amusing is it that Richardson got 20 carries and was NOT the leading rusher on his team? o.O

That happens a lot.....3rd down backs will come out on a passing down ( 3rd and long) and get a carry on a draw with a massive gap up the middle, Sometimes they bust it for a large gain.....Not amusing at all, it's just football.

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hope bradshaw sits out one more week ...,so richardson can get smashed next week vs. seattle

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hope bradshaw sits out one more week ...,so richardson can get smashed next week vs. seattle

did Richardson sleep with your mother bro?

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Most running backs are under-performing this year, and the trend will continue and get worse. The days of having backs at 5YPC are over. Only the VERY elite backs (ADP,McCoy) will be over 5. Line-men are bigger, gaps are smaller and defenders don't miss assignments anymore.

 

Spiller 3.5

Martin 3.4

Lynch 3.9

Foster 3.8

CJ 3.3

Ridley 3.7

Drew 2.4

Wilson 3.4

Richardson (couldn't find on NFL.com for some reason, guessing 3.3)

 

The long carries are coming from RB draws where defenses are spread and there's large running lanes opened up the middle. ....... The backs mentioned above are arguably are in the top 20 RB's in the world. They're the best this planet has to offer, but are all struggling.

 

I don't have time to sit here all day and argue why Richardson isn't averaging more than 4 YPC so I'll just sum up what I want to say.....The RB position has changed and so should our expectations. Lower them, it'll save us all from arguing LOL

While this may be true, Richardson is 18/21 with regards to YPC of RBs with at least 50 rushes this year. He's averaging 3.1 YPC. So, while the league may have changed, and the days of many RBs with 5.0 YPC being over (when was that, BTW?), and many RBs are underperforming, Richardson is among the worst, to this point in 2013. Considering that the Colts just traded a 1st round pick for him, AND they have a RB on their roster who is averaging almost 1.5 yards more per carry. When Bradshaw is healthy, it makes sense for the Colts to split carries: it should help Bradshaw stay healthy, and it will limit Richardson's poor running from bogging down the offense. Unfortunately, that could keep either RB from being more than a flex play.

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I don't have time to sit here all day and argue why Richardson isn't averaging more than 4 YPC so I'll just sum up what I want to say.....The RB position has changed and so should our expectations. Lower them, it'll save us all from arguing LOL

I would think the expectations for the Colts were higher when they gave up a first rounder for him.

 

I still don't know why they made this trade. The evidence was there all along that he was not a first round talent.

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At some point you are what you are. Looks like he's a 3.5 ypc guy. And while other RBs are struggling too....at least they had shown flashes for stretches before this year. TRich hasn't.

 

As a TRich owner, I'm looking to sell. In this RB market, there isn't much to chose from. But I don't think he's all that great. He needs huge holes to look good. Every highlight I've ever seen has him running through huge lanes. He doesn't do much on his own.

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Cleveland would not have traded him if he was a "special" talent. He will be ok but will not win you a title. He will be a bust as a first round pick.

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I would think the expectations for the Colts were higher when they gave up a first rounder for him.

 

I still don't know why they made this trade. The evidence was there all along that he was not a first round talent.

I have no idea why they did it either. They really should've looked for RB help late in the draft this year or mined the UDFA talent. Or trade a fourth/fifth rounder for some team's possibly-talented but little-known backup. It's really not that hard to find an RB who will produce at least as well as TRich has thus far in his career.

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While this may be true, Richardson is 18/21 with regards to YPC of RBs with at least 50 rushes this year. He's averaging 3.1 YPC. So, while the league may have changed, and the days of many RBs with 5.0 YPC being over (when was that, BTW?), and many RBs are underperforming, Richardson is among the worst, to this point in 2013. Considering that the Colts just traded a 1st round pick for him, AND they have a RB on their roster who is averaging almost 1.5 yards more per carry. When Bradshaw is healthy, it makes sense for the Colts to split carries: it should help Bradshaw stay healthy, and it will limit Richardson's poor running from bogging down the offense. Unfortunately, that could keep either RB from being more than a flex play.

Make sense to split carries? Maybe for a Bradshaw owner. But for a franchise, team, and coach it would make a lot more sense to give TRich the rock. He is the first rounder you just traded for. Get him up and running as quickly as possible. He is your future.

 

TRich has shown from the start w Indy that he can punch it in. He should be the goal line back from here on out. On Sunday he just showed he can run out the clock. TRich does not fumble (when TRich put it on the ground during the game they mentioned his last lost fumble was in college).

 

It shouldn't surprise anyone that a goal line back, a running out the clock back, and a back used in short yardage situations would have a lower ypc than those who aren't used in those situations. Why don't you compare apples to apples, how is McGahee's ypc doing, is it still hovering at around 1?

 

Don't kid yourself, they didn't bring TRich in so he would help keep Bradshaw healthy, that's funny.

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Make sense to split carries? Maybe for a Bradshaw owner. But for a franchise, team, and coach it would make a lot more sense to give TRich the rock. He is the first rounder you just traded for. Get him up and running as quickly as possible. He is your future.

 

TRich has shown from the start w Indy that he can punch it in. He should be the goal line back from here on out. On Sunday he just showed he can run out the clock. TRich does not fumble (when TRich put it on the ground during the game they mentioned his last lost fumble was in college).

 

It shouldn't surprise anyone that a goal line back, a running out the clock back, and a back used in short yardage situations would have a lower ypc than those who aren't used in those situations. Why don't you compare apples to apples, how is McGahee's ypc doing, is it still hovering at around 1?

 

Don't kid yourself, they didn't bring TRich in so he would help keep Bradshaw healthy, that's funny.

Okay, you keep trying to convince yourself. It doesn't make sense for a Bradshaw FF owner, it makes sense for the Colts, the NFL franchise. Richardson isn't very explosive, Bradshaw is. Bradshaw has a tendency to get nicked up, so a full load isn't a good idea. So, splitting carries would allow them to get their explosive player on the field. Please understand that by splitting carries, I'm talking about a 60/40 split (at best) in Richardson's favor. The problem is that Richardson's stellar 3.5 YPC is going to prevent him from putting up big numbers. He needs lots of carries to be very valuable in FF.

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Make sense to split carries? Maybe for a Bradshaw owner. But for a franchise, team, and coach it would make a lot more sense to give TRich the rock. He is the first rounder you just traded for. Get him up and running as quickly as possible. He is your future.

 

TRich has shown from the start w Indy that he can punch it in. He should be the goal line back from here on out. On Sunday he just showed he can run out the clock. TRich does not fumble (when TRich put it on the ground during the game they mentioned his last lost fumble was in college).

 

It shouldn't surprise anyone that a goal line back, a running out the clock back, and a back used in short yardage situations would have a lower ypc than those who aren't used in those situations. Why don't you compare apples to apples, how is McGahee's ypc doing, is it still hovering at around 1?

 

Don't kid yourself, they didn't bring TRich in so he would help keep Bradshaw healthy, that's funny.

You don't trade a first round pick for a goal line/short yardage back. The Colts would like him to be much more but it seems they will end up disappointed.

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You don't trade a first round pick for a goal line/short yardage back. The Colts would like him to be much more but it seems they will end up disappointed.

I agree the Colts are expecting more. And they will make sure TRich gets every opportunity to do it. That means playing him more.

 

My point was he already has taken on the goal line role. That is already helpful fantasy-wise. And in the second week they expanded his role. All indications are TRich will be the lead role RB with goal line duties. That is a valuable commodity in FF. It's a dying breed.

 

TRich is top ten in the rest of the way ranking. Seems reasonable in a tough year for RBs.

 

I don't care if Indy got a good deal or not, I just want TRich to get his points. Seems like he will.

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I agree the Colts are expecting more. And they will make sure TRich gets every opportunity to do it. That means playing him more.

 

My point was he already has taken on the goal line role. That is already helpful fantasy-wise. And in the second week they expanded his role. All indications are TRich will be the lead role RB with goal line duties. That is a valuable commodity in FF. It's a dying breed.

 

TRich is top ten in the rest of the way ranking. Seems reasonable in a tough year for RBs.

 

I don't care if Indy got a good deal or not, I just want TRich to get his points. Seems like he will.

He will get his points.....when he scores TDs. For me, TDs are what elevates a good day into a great day for my fantasy squad. I hate relying on them just to post ok totals.....which is what TRich had been producing so far.

 

His role was expanded week 2 because Bradshaw was hurt. There was no way Richardson and Brown were going to split carries. But if Bradshaw would have played, he would have doubled TRich's yardage.

 

I'd like to see Richardson a little more involved in the passing game too. 1 reception yesterday is almost as concerning as his 3 ypc.

 

His longest run of the year so far has been 12 yards. He's not explosive and needs volume to post respectable lines. I wonder if he'll ever exceed 100 total yards in a game this year.

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He will get his points.....when he scores TDs. For me, TDs are what elevates a good day into a great day for my fantasy squad. I hate relying on them just to post ok totals.....which is what TRich had been producing so far.

 

His role was expanded week 2 because Bradshaw was hurt. There was no way Richardson and Brown were going to split carries. But if Bradshaw would have played, he would have doubled TRich's yardage.

 

I'd like to see Richardson a little more involved in the passing game too. 1 reception yesterday is almost as concerning as his 3 ypc.

 

His longest run of the year so far has been 12 yards. He's not explosive and needs volume to post respectable lines. I wonder if he'll ever exceed 100 total yards in a game this year.

TRich has given you 2 double digit outings in less than 2 weeks with the squad. He should rise to the consistent 80-100 yard mark soon. And he will get more TDs with Indy than he was going to get with Cleveland. Running the ball is the quickest learn. First short yardage, then running out the clock. As the weeks progress more passing to him will be incorporated as they get in sync.

 

Seems like a lot of people underestimate TRich here. Certainly when compared to the pro talent evaluators. Bradshaw went stale on the free agent market, picked up late by Indy and wasn't even starting over Ballard. Bradshaw is more McGahee-ish than TRich like.

 

TRich on the other hand, was so coveted by Cleveland they moved up in the first round to get him. Desired so much by Indy to give up a first rounder. Two different pro teams have evaluated TRich as first round worthy, whereas Bradshaw couldn't get interest when all a team needed to do was pay him a salary.

 

It is hard for me to believe that the coach and GM didn't talk about this possible trade. And if they did, the expectation from the two of them would not be to bring in a guy for a time share. It would make the GM look foolish, you don't trade a 1 for a time share or goal line back - you could have bought Brandon Jacobs for that. No, the only way this makes sense is to use the guy. The coach is obligated to give TRich every opportunity to look good. The GMs reputation is now on the line.

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TRich has given you 2 double digit outings in less than 2 weeks with the squad. He should rise to the consistent 80-100 yard mark soon. And he will get more TDs with Indy than he was going to get with Cleveland. Running the ball is the quickest learn. First short yardage, then running out the clock. As the weeks progress more passing to him will be incorporated as they get in sync.

 

Seems like a lot of people underestimate TRich here. Certainly when compared to the pro talent evaluators. Bradshaw went stale on the free agent market, picked up late by Indy and wasn't even starting over Ballard. Bradshaw is more McGahee-ish than TRich like.

 

TRich on the other hand, was so coveted by Cleveland they moved up in the first round to get him. Desired so much by Indy to give up a first rounder. Two different pro teams have evaluated TRich as first round worthy, whereas Bradshaw couldn't get interest when all a team needed to do was pay him a salary.

 

It is hard for me to believe that the coach and GM didn't talk about this possible trade. And if they did, the expectation from the two of them would not be to bring in a guy for a time share. It would make the GM look foolish, you don't trade a 1 for a time share or goal line back - you could have bought Brandon Jacobs for that. No, the only way this makes sense is to use the guy. The coach is obligated to give TRich every opportunity to look good. The GMs reputation is now on the line.

You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they might turn out to be right. However, with regards to facts, they don't necessarily agree with you.

 

1-"He should rise to the consistent 80-100 yard mark soon." Based on what? He didn't rise there with Cleveland, why is it a given that he will get there with Indy?

 

2-You note that he was so coveted by Cleveland that that they traded up to get him in the first round. You fail to note that a little over a year later, they gave up 3 additional picks to get Richardson. So, they essentially spent an early first (#4), a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Then after seeing him day in , day out for over a year, they trade him for what will probably be a late 1st? Either they are completely clueless, or they saw something that you, I , and professional talent evaluators didn't get to on a day-to-day basis.

BTW-if you use the "they're clueless" angle, you can't really say the fact that they traded up for him proves he is super talented.

 

3-Pagano isn't going to care if having Richardson in a time-share makes the GM look foolish. If letting Bradshaw play (even if it devalues Ricahrdson) gives the Colts their best chance to win, that's what he is going to do.

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You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they might turn out to be right. However, with regards to facts, they don't necessarily agree with you.

 

1-"He should rise to the consistent 80-100 yard mark soon." Based on what? He didn't rise there with Cleveland, why is it a given that he will get there with Indy?

 

2-You note that he was so coveted by Cleveland that that they traded up to get him in the first round. You fail to note that a little over a year later, they gave up 3 additional picks to get Richardson. So, they essentially spent an early first (#4), a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Then after seeing him day in , day out for over a year, they trade him for what will probably be a late 1st? Either they are completely clueless, or they saw something that you, I , and professional talent evaluators didn't get to on a day-to-day basis.

BTW-if you use the "they're clueless" angle, you can't really say the fact that they traded up for him proves he is super talented.

 

3-Pagano isn't going to care if having Richardson in a time-share makes the GM look foolish. If letting Bradshaw play (even if it devalues Ricahrdson) gives the Colts their best chance to win, that's what he is going to do.

You make some great points, but how about putting yourself out there with an opinion or two.....I want to read a prediction on how this Indy running back situation ends.

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You make some great points, but how about putting yourself out there with an opinion or two.....I want to read a prediction on how this Indy running back situation ends.

IMO, Richardson will be the lead RB, but Bradshaw will get significant touches, perhaps 60/40 in RIchardson's favor. However, I think Bradshaw is going to get more receptions. Maybe 15 carries and 1 catch/game for Richardson, with a TD every other game or so. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say 4.0 YPC, so 720 more rush yards, 7 TDs, 75 receiving yards. Bradshaw with 10 carries a game and 2 catches/game; say 4.4 YPC for him, so 528 yards, 5 TDs, about 180 receiving yards. About 10 FF points/game for Richardson, a little less than 9 FF points/game for Bradshaw.

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did Richardson sleep with your mother bro?

no my mother is dead & w/ the lord ...,just a bradshaw owner that wants to see TRich get beat up.., so a healthy bradshaw can get a fair shake come week 6 ..,not hoping he gets hurt.., just wanting to see if he is who the colts thought he is.

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You're making a lot of assumptions here, and they might turn out to be right. However, with regards to facts, they don't necessarily agree with you.

 

1-"He should rise to the consistent 80-100 yard mark soon." Based on what? He didn't rise there with Cleveland, why is it a given that he will get there with Indy?

 

2-You note that he was so coveted by Cleveland that that they traded up to get him in the first round. You fail to note that a little over a year later, they gave up 3 additional picks to get Richardson. So, they essentially spent an early first (#4), a 4th, 5th, and 7th round pick. Then after seeing him day in , day out for over a year, they trade him for what will probably be a late 1st? Either they are completely clueless, or they saw something that you, I , and professional talent evaluators didn't get to on a day-to-day basis.

BTW-if you use the "they're clueless" angle, you can't really say the fact that they traded up for him proves he is super talented.

 

3-Pagano isn't going to care if having Richardson in a time-share makes the GM look foolish. If letting Bradshaw play (even if it devalues Ricahrdson) gives the Colts their best chance to win, that's what he is going to do.

1. TRich was a steady 13-14 fpg player with Cleveland. Thinking he can achieve those levels if he keeps the same role with a better team is not a stretch.

 

2. I am not saying pro personnel are clueless, quite the opposite. It wasn't the same people who drafted TRich that traded him. I'm saying two groups of pro personnel have ranked TRich first round worthy - the 2011 Browns and now the 2013 Colts.

 

3. It's rare to take a first round power RB and not make him the workhorse. It would even be rarer to do a trade mid-season for a first rounder and not give him the lions share of carries. And don't you think Pagano was consulted about the trade? And if Pagano was consulted on the trade, do you think he said TRich would make a great component of a RBBC? I don't think so. That's not what you trade first rounders for.

 

Seems like we have a difference between what the pro talent evaluators think and what a lot of posters on this board think.

Sometimes people can get too stat oriented. For instance TRich's ypc has been negatively affected by those times when he punched it in from the one, right? And CJohnson, Spiller, McCoy, or even Wilson, probably wouldn't even be asked to try those kind of runs. Successul short yardage conversions shouldn't be held against TRich. I'm pretty sure the pro scouts don't.

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1. TRich was a steady 13-14 fpg player with Cleveland. Thinking he can achieve those levels if he keeps the same role with a better team is not a stretch.

You and I must have different definitions of steady. 17 games in Cleveland: 7 games below 13 FF points, 3 games with 13-15 FF points, 7 games with over 15 FF points. That's not "steady 13-14 FF ppg," that's 40% duds, 40% big games, 3 "steady" games. The problem is that he needed A LOT of touches to get any of those points. If he has fewer touches, he's far more likely to have more dud games than big games.

 

2. I am not saying pro personnel are clueless, quite the opposite. It wasn't the same people who drafted TRich that traded him. I'm saying two groups of pro personnel have ranked TRich first round worthy - the 2011 Browns and now the 2013 Colts.

One of those groups is the Browns, who have made countless mistakes in the past, and the other is the Colts, who made Donald Brown a first round pick. Just because a player is picked in the first (or has a first traded for him) doesn't mean he's going to succeed in the NFL, that's why we are always hearing about busts: players picked in the 1st, who fail to live up to that pick.

 

3. It's rare to take a first round power RB and not make him the workhorse. It would even be rarer to do a trade mid-season for a first rounder and not give him the lions share of carries. And don't you think Pagano was consulted about the trade? And if Pagano was consulted on the trade, do you think he said TRich would make a great component of a RBBC? I don't think so. That's not what you trade first rounders for.

Again, I think we different definitions of rare. Workhorse RBs are rare, not RBBCs.

David Wilson, 2012; Mark Ingram, 2011; CJ Spiller 2010, Ryan Mathews, 2010; Knowshon Moreno, 2009, Donald Brown, 2009. That's 6 in the last 5 years who were 1st round RBs who are all in RBBC situations. That's the nature of the NFL. The reason Richardson was so highly valued this off-season is because he seemed to be one of the rare RBs who wasn't going to be in a RBBC. That may not be the case now in Indy.

 

Seems like we have a difference between what the pro talent evaluators think and what a lot of posters on this board think.

Sometimes people can get too stat oriented. For instance TRich's ypc has been negatively affected by those times when he punched it in from the one, right? And CJohnson, Spiller, McCoy, or even Wilson, probably wouldn't even be asked to try those kind of runs. Successul short yardage conversions shouldn't be held against TRich. I'm pretty sure the pro scouts don't.

You really should check your information before you post. Richardson has 30 short-yardage rushes (1 or 2 yards) since the beginning of 2012. Chris Johnson has 28 & McCoy as 30. Richardson only converted 13 (43%) of them. Johnson converted 16 (57%), McCoy converted 19 (63%). So two of the RBs you think "wouldn't even be asked to try those kinds of runs" try them as often as Richardson and are WAY more successful. BTW, Bradshaw has 35 of those rushes since the beginning of 2012, and has converted 69%. So, no one is holding Richardson's successful short-yardage running against him, because he isn't even that great at that.

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1. TRich was a steady 13-14 fpg player with Cleveland. Thinking he can achieve those levels if he keeps the same role with a better team is not a stretch.

You and I must have different definitions of steady. 17 games in Cleveland: 7 games below 13 FF points, 3 games with 13-15 FF points, 7 games with over 15 FF points. That's not "steady 13-14 FF ppg," that's 40% duds, 40% big games, 3 "steady" games. The problem is that he needed A LOT of touches to get any of those points. If he has fewer touches, he's far more likely to have more dud games than big games.

 

2. I am not saying pro personnel are clueless, quite the opposite. It wasn't the same people who drafted TRich that traded him. I'm saying two groups of pro personnel have ranked TRich first round worthy - the 2011 Browns and now the 2013 Colts.

One of those groups is the Browns, who have made countless mistakes in the past, and the other is the Colts, who made Donald Brown a first round pick. Just because a player is picked in the first (or has a first traded for him) doesn't mean he's going to succeed in the NFL, that's why we are always hearing about busts: players picked in the 1st, who fail to live up to that pick.

 

3. It's rare to take a first round power RB and not make him the workhorse. It would even be rarer to do a trade mid-season for a first rounder and not give him the lions share of carries. And don't you think Pagano was consulted about the trade? And if Pagano was consulted on the trade, do you think he said TRich would make a great component of a RBBC? I don't think so. That's not what you trade first rounders for.

Again, I think we different definitions of rare. Workhorse RBs are rare, not RBBCs.

David Wilson, 2012; Mark Ingram, 2011; CJ Spiller 2010, Ryan Mathews, 2010; Knowshon Moreno, 2009, Donald Brown, 2009. That's 6 in the last 5 years who were 1st round RBs who are all in RBBC situations. That's the nature of the NFL. The reason Richardson was so highly valued this off-season is because he seemed to be one of the rare RBs who wasn't going to be in a RBBC. That may not be the case now in Indy.

 

Seems like we have a difference between what the pro talent evaluators think and what a lot of posters on this board think.

Sometimes people can get too stat oriented. For instance TRich's ypc has been negatively affected by those times when he punched it in from the one, right? And CJohnson, Spiller, McCoy, or even Wilson, probably wouldn't even be asked to try those kind of runs. Successul short yardage conversions shouldn't be held against TRich. I'm pretty sure the pro scouts don't.

You really should check your information before you post. Richardson has 30 short-yardage rushes (1 or 2 yards) since the beginning of 2012. Chris Johnson has 28 & McCoy as 30. Richardson only converted 13 (43%) of them. Johnson converted 16 (57%), McCoy converted 19 (63%). So two of the RBs you think "wouldn't even be asked to try those kinds of runs" try them as often as Richardson and are WAY more successful. BTW, Bradshaw has 35 of those rushes since the beginning of 2012, and has converted 69%. So, no one is holding Richardson's successful short-yardage running against him, because he isn't even that great at that.

 

Good post.

 

TRich's value comes from being a goal line back on a good offense. That's just not very appealing for a supposed RB1. I bought into the narrative this summer that TRich would get the ball 300 times on a more dynamic offense. I downplayed his 2012 stats because he played hurt and missed preseason. But he just doesn't get consistent yardage, at least not consistent RB1 yardage....which is gonna hurt fantasy teams over the long haul.

 

What players would you guys compare TRich to the rest of the way? McFadden? Gio? Lacy? Spiller? I see him as a mid RB2 the rest of the way.....seem about right?

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1. I consider TRich steady in comparison to other RBs. All RBs have standard deviations in their scoring, TRich is steady in comparison to the Spillers and CJohnsons of the world.

 

2. Two sets of pro organizations talent evaluators think TRich is first round worthy. Some posters here (many who own Bradshaw) think he is not good.

 

3. Yes, workhorse RBs are rare. That is a huge factor in TRich's value. When was the last time a team traded for a workhorse RB and then made put them in a RBBC?

 

4. You can try and stat blast this all you want but TRich has already taken over the goal line duties at Indy. And he has been successful. Bradshaw is not getting them. TRich is bigger and doesn't have a neck injury. TRich was already given the goal line role, that was the first positive for TRich owners to see. And since TRich was successful at it, it is now reasonable to assume the role is with TRich for the foreseeable future. That is good for role to have on a good team (ask Ridley owners last year).

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I sent a trade to get Gio Barnard for TRich and I got denied.

 

I sent a trade to get Ray Rice and I got denied.

 

The only RB I think I can trade TRich for is Chris Johnson.

 

No one wants TRich.

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Good post.

 

TRich's value comes from being a goal line back on a good offense. That's just not very appealing for a supposed RB1. I bought into the narrative this summer that TRich would get the ball 300 times on a more dynamic offense. I downplayed his 2012 stats because he played hurt and missed preseason. But he just doesn't get consistent yardage, at least not consistent RB1 yardage....which is gonna hurt fantasy teams over the long haul.

 

What players would you guys compare TRich to the rest of the way? McFadden? Gio? Lacy? Spiller? I see him as a mid RB2 the rest of the way.....seem about right?

FFToday has him Rest Of Way (ROW) at 10, behind Spiller.

 

Fantasypros has him ROW at 11, ahead of Spiller.

 

He is grouped near Gore, Spiller, Rice, CJohnson.

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1. I consider TRich steady in comparison to other RBs. All RBs have standard deviations in their scoring, TRich is steady in comparison to the Spillers and CJohnsons of the world.

 

2. Two sets of pro organizations talent evaluators think TRich is first round worthy. Some posters here (many who own Bradshaw) think he is not good.

 

3. Yes, workhorse RBs are rare. That is a huge factor in TRich's value. When was the last time a team traded for a workhorse RB and then made put them in a RBBC?

 

4. You can try and stat blast this all you want but TRich has already taken over the goal line duties at Indy. And he has been successful. Bradshaw is not getting them. TRich is bigger and doesn't have a neck injury. TRich was already given the goal line role, that was the first positive for TRich owners to see. And since TRich was successful at it, it is now reasonable to assume the role is with TRich for the foreseeable future. That is good for role to have on a good team (ask Ridley owners last year).

1-Okay, if you are going to pick guys like Spiller and Johnson, I would agree that you could call Richardson "steadier." Is steady what you want in your RB1, though?

 

2-As already noted, pro teams aren't infallible. When you consider the Browns track record over the last 20 years, I don't think using them as a barometer of talent evaluation is the best argument. With regards to the Colts, again (as noted) they drafted Donald Brown with a 1st round pick, so they aren't the best support you could come up with.

 

3-Let's look at it from a different angle. Workhorse RBs are rare, and you hold the Browns in some kind of high esteem, as you have cited twice their drafting of Richardson as some kind of proof of his talent. When is the last time a team actively sought to trade a workhorse RB who was still under contract (a cheap contract, since most of his bonus $$ has already been paid)?

 

4-Blast what? Read the thread, I've already indicated that I see Richardson as the GL back. That doesn't change the fact that if he doesn't get a high volume of touches (which he won't, if the Colts utilize a RBBC with Bradshaw), he won't put up numbers worthy of a RB1.

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1-Okay, if you are going to pick guys like Spiller and Johnson, I would agree that you could call Richardson "steadier." Is steady what you want in your RB1, though?

 

2-As already noted, pro teams aren't infallible. When you consider the Browns track record over the last 20 years, I don't think using them as a barometer of talent evaluation is the best argument. With regards to the Colts, again (as noted) they drafted Donald Brown with a 1st round pick, so they aren't the best support you could come up with.

 

3-Let's look at it from a different angle. Workhorse RBs are rare, and you hold the Browns in some kind of high esteem, as you have cited twice their drafting of Richardson as some kind of proof of his talent. When is the last time a team actively sought to trade a workhorse RB who was still under contract (a cheap contract, since most of his bonus $$ has already been paid)?

 

4-Blast what? Read the thread, I've already indicated that I see Richardson as the GL back. That doesn't change the fact that if he doesn't get a high volume of touches (which he won't, if the Colts utilize a RBBC with Bradshaw), he won't put up numbers worthy of a RB1.

1. Actually I am neutral on steady, it was just in response to your picking at my term. But many people do like steady - the whole consistency measurement thing. My point was the outlook on his fpg's has not changed significantly.

 

2. Yes, pro teams can make mistakes. The odds get exponentially longer having two of them do it. And who are you siding with, two pro team evaluators or random posters?

 

3. I remember Seattle trading the Bills for Lynch. Seattle did not put him in a RBBC. Can you ever remember a high profile trade where the workhorse RB became part ot a comittee?

 

4. You were posting numbers to try and suggest Bradshaw was in the same class as TRich at the goal line. If it hadn't already happened I could see you suggesting it might not. This is similar to your using the ypc argument as justification for your contention that a RBBC is coming. It's not. I don't think Bradshaw got 40% of crusty Ballard's work load. Indy's actions show they view TRich as elite and they view Bradshaw as a vet backup.

 

Logic dictates that you don't trade for an elite back, in season, for a number one pick, and then put him in a time share. Every comment to the contrary seems desparate and reaching to me.

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1. Actually I am neutral on steady, it was just in response to your picking at my term. But many people do like steady - the whole consistency measurement thing. My point was the outlook on his fpg's has not changed significantly.

 

2. Yes, pro teams can make mistakes. The odds get exponentially longer having two of them do it. And who are you siding with, two pro team evaluators or random posters?

 

3. I remember Seattle trading the Bills for Lynch. Seattle did not put him in a RBBC. Can you ever remember a high profile trade where the workhorse RB became part ot a comittee?

 

4. You were posting numbers to try and suggest Bradshaw was in the same class as TRich at the goal line. If it hadn't already happened I could see you suggesting it might not. This is similar to your using the ypc argument as justification for your contention that a RBBC is coming. It's not. I don't think Bradshaw got 40% of crusty Ballard's work load. Indy's actions show they view TRich as elite and they view Bradshaw as a vet backup.

 

Logic dictates that you don't trade for an elite back, in season, for a number one pick, and then put him in a time share. Every comment to the contrary seems desparate and reaching to me.

1-Yes, it has, IF he is now in a RBBC!!!! If he was averaging 13 FF pts a game when he was averaging 23 touches/game, then it is not logical to believe he will continue to average the same amount of points with 17 touches/game. If you don't think Bradshaw is going to get more touches than Chris Ogbonnaya, then that's your opinion.

 

2-I'm siding with what I've seen, which is that Richardson isn't special. He seems to lack vision, and while he has good speed, he doesn't have good burst/quickness. He needs to get a head of steam up to hit top speed, and that is tough in the NFL. You keep saying "two teams used 1sts on him." That doesn't change the fact that in his 19 NFL games, he hasn't demonstrated that he is a special talent.

 

3-Lynch wasn't a workhorse in Buffalo, he was in a timeshare with Fred Jackson. Seattle didn't have any RBs on their roster that was the caliber of Bradshaw. So that wasn't an NFL team actively trying to trade their workhorse. It was a franchise who was tired of dealing with a player's attitude and off the field issues getting rid of a player, when they felt they had a capable replacement. Richardson had no off-field issues, he wasn't an attitude problem (from anything I've read), and they had no viable replacement for him. Yet THEY sought out Indy and initiated the trade.

 

4-No, I wasn't. YOU tried to explain Richardson's low YPC as being partially due to his "success in short-yardage." I merely pointed out that he isn't all that successful in short-yardage, especially compared to two RBs who you suggested had higher YPC because they didn't get those types of rushes. Then I pointed out that Bradshaw is better in short-yardage situations. I pointed it out because when I was checking your false statements, it jumped out at me.

 

You keep calling Richardson an elite back. But, there is nothing elite about him. His YPC is below average, his TD/touch ratio isn't special, his short-yardage running is below average. I suppose that you could say his pass-catching is elite, but those numbers are WAY down this year.

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Just so you guys know, when you start numbering your responses, I stop reading. I'm not cross-referencing some damn post on an Internet message board. And I'm sure I am not alone in that.

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