****The Official Seattle Seahawks Offseason Thread 2014****

[FlaHawker 24]

No fear! Jedi Johnny will get the job done!

[phillybear 366]

TE Kellen Davis signs with NY Giants.

 

Eh, third string TE who I thought sucked. I guess the NY Giants are in the mix for the 2nd most favored spot for ex-Seattle players, everybody way behind Jacksonville.

[ffgiant 10]

Giants needs TE depth, plus he was signed probably purely for blocking.

[Kopy 571]

Giants needs TE depth, plus he was signed probably purely for blocking.

They can have him. There was only 2 guys on that whole team, practice squad included I hated. Davis was 1 of them. Good Ridence.

Now if we could just find a way to get rid of Ricardo Lockette.

[phillybear 366]

Sidney Rice is still out there, unsigned.

 

Given that one of our needs is tall WR end zone type guy, and Rice is 6'4" and we now when, I know that the thing "when" is key, he is healthy, he is effective with Wilson, I'd feel better getting him under contract, veteran minimum incentive laden deal one year deal to take away a key need going into the draft so that the front office can more openly rededicate themselves to drafting for value for the offensive and defensive line.

 

It's the old adage of not wanting to be at the end of a position run, but wanting to start a position run. Everybody is talking about all the WRs that will go flying off the shelf in this draft early. Well, so what? Do you want to take the 7th best WR, or the 2nd best OG or maybe 3rd best OT? Or maybe a big 'ole pass rushing DT, a value you might not get so late in the first round most years because so many WRs are going to push other positions further down. I'd take Rice as insurance and draft for value, whatever that might be. If you can convince Rice to sign. I don't see him visiting anybody right now.

[FlaHawker 24]

Preseason schedule to be released at 3:15 today!

[FlaHawker 24]

Preseason:

 

@ Denver, San Diego, Chicago, @Oakland.

[phillybear 366]

List of players linked to Seattle through team visits scheduled or coaches attending pro days.

VMAC visits 2014:

WR Cody Latimer, Indiana -- 6'2, 215

WR Bradin Cooks, Oregon State -- 5'10, 190 (may be offsite visit)

RB Terrance West, Towson -- 5'9, 225

FB/DT Nikita Whitlock, Wake Forest -- 5'11, 255

OT/OG Laurent Duvernay-Tardif, McGill -- 6'5, 300 (aka LDT or "Larry")

 

We've talked about Cooks going in the first round.

 

Cody Latimer is probably about a 4th round WR. He's improving, 6'2", and capable in the red zone, but doesn't seem to do anything to get excited about. He is a good run blocker, which fits our WR profile. He sees to run good routes in the middle of the field.

 

Terrance West ran for 2,500 yards at Towson, a bit of an unknown, so I guess the front office wanted to get a look up close due to lack of film. He's a 3rd to 4th rounder. Way back on Page 1, I said we would draft a RB at some point in the draft.

 

Nikita Whitlock? Scatching my head over that one. Not on my board as of yet, and I'm 300+ deep. Noseguard at Wake Forest. But New England has been working him out at Fullback, so I'm confused about this one.

 

Laurent Duvernay-Tardif. Sounds like another Frenchie for the offensive line, right? Actually, right. He's Canadian, graduating from a Canadian college. Expected to be the #1 overall pick in the CFL draft this year at Left Tackle, although he can play more than one spot. He's projected as a 3rd to 4th rounder in the NFL draft, and then he has to figure out where he wants to play. The CFL's entire team payroll is under 10 million, so a 4th round NFL pick is probably going to make more than a first round pick in the CFL. His profile is exactly the type that Cable likes. One of those aggressive, mean streak, dominating guys, good run blocker, but still raw and needs to be coached up to reach his full potential. And insurance if the team can't re-sign Okung to a contract after this season. I'm not sure if the team is looking at Bowie and Bailey at OT positions but more at OG, what with all this attention we are giving to OT prospects, so I think we spend multiple draft picks on OT this draft. Odds are somebody will shake out.

[phillybear 366]

Preseason:

 

@ Denver, San Diego, Chicago, @Oakland.

 

Sucks. We get Denver right away, so expect some cheap shots and injuries. No way I let any starters in that game. We play the AFC West this year, so 3 of these game will feature nothing but the most bland sh!t play imaginable to disguise everything. At least the fans get a chance to boo the fock out of Jared Allen Game Three. Oh, what's that. Allen is nursing an injury and can't play? Boo!!!!

 

How many years has it been since we've lost a preseason game? And they cover too. Damn, I just keep betting on Hawks and banking it.

[Groundhog 24]

 

We've talked about Cooks going in the first round.

 

Cody Latimer is probably about a 4th round WR. He's improving, 6'2", and capable in the red zone, but doesn't seem to do anything to get excited about. He is a good run blocker, which fits our WR profile. He sees to run good routes in the middle of the field.

 

Terrance West ran for 2,500 yards at Towson, a bit of an unknown, so I guess the front office wanted to get a look up close due to lack of film. He's a 3rd to 4th rounder. Way back on Page 1, I said we would draft a RB at some point in the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not seen the game tape on Latimer, but the way people are talking about him, he'll go off well before 4th rd. Sounds a bit Anquan Boldin-y.

 

Do you think we draft an RB in order to light a fire under C. Michael, because you think Turbin is at best a replacement-level guy and we always look for more, or because you think Lynch will start to decline with so many miles on those tires?

[phillybear 366]

 

I have not seen the game tape on Latimer, but the way people are talking about him, he'll go off well before 4th rd. Sounds a bit Anquan Boldin-y.

 

Do you think we draft an RB in order to light a fire under C. Michael, because you think Turbin is at best a replacement-level guy and we always look for more, or because you think Lynch will start to decline with so many miles on those tires?

 

Latimer is shooting up the charts because people suddenly got excited over his vertical jumping. I'm not overreacting yet to this stampede. He's not one to the 10 best WRs in the draft which is suddenly where people have him going.

 

Lynch can't keep breaking tackles and running over people without breaking down. He just can't. It's just math. Turbin isn't a feature back. We don't know what we have in Girl's Name. To simply depend on him without any proof in game action is a risky gamble at best and madness at worst. I guess Coleman is the new fullback. Spencer Ware is a mystery coming off an injury. The backfield is basically unknown. With RBs so devalued right now by front offices, and with our team featuring the run more than any other team in the league, we need a bunch of good backs. I think we can draft somebody better than someone we current have on the roster, with an eye for the future.

[Kopy 571]

West is gonna be a great back for someone. 1 of my 2 favorite rb sleepers in the draft.

[FlaHawker 24]

Sidney Rice cleared for football activities .Hawks apparently interested.

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-offseason-2014/2014/4/14/5614024/sidney-rice-cleared-for-football-activities-seahawks-reportedly

[Kopy 571]

Sidney Rice cleared for football activities .Hawks apparently interested.

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-offseason-2014/2014/4/14/5614024/sidney-rice-cleared-for-football-activities-seahawks-reportedly

Nothing wrong with a incentive laiden "if the price is right" deal.

I think he could get more though.

[phillybear 366]

Right now, Russell Wilson has the skill position players on offense, the ones under contract, together out on the West Coast practicing drills together. All the WRs, TEs, QBs, and RBs. The team is still hungry and dedicated despite winning a title.

 

Meanwhile, San Francisco players are also practicing together in the prison courtyard during their one hour of free time every day. No deep throw drills as of yet as they are gun shy about throwing any bomb plays.

[phillybear 366]

 

Latimer is shooting up the charts because people suddenly got excited over his vertical jumping. I'm not overreacting yet to this stampede. He's not one to the 10 best WRs in the draft which is suddenly where people have him going.

 

Latimer is officially overvalued now as he continues to climb draft boards around the league like a rocket ship. Yes, he officially visited the Seahawks already so there is interest. It would be insane to take him in the first round. I would not take him end of the 2nd either, but it is now a possibility of some sort. I would not be particularly happy.

[Groundhog 24]

 

Latimer is officially overvalued now as he continues to climb draft boards around the league like a rocket ship. Yes, he officially visited the Seahawks already so there is interest. It would be insane to take him in the first round. I would not take him end of the 2nd either, but it is now a possibility of some sort. I would not be particularly happy.

 

So it goes without saying that we'll draft Latimer at 1.32, which will cause PB to go insane and start throwing things, but then the front office will make up for it by nabbing Terrance West in the 5th round.

[phillybear 366]

 

So it goes without saying that we'll draft Latimer at 1.32, which will cause PB to go insane and start throwing things, but then the front office will make up for it by nabbing Terrance West in the 5th round.

 

My theory is that I suffer an even numbered amount of brain aneurisms on draft day(s), which mathematically cancel each other out, which allows me to stay alive until next year's draft day meltdown-a-thon-palooza.

[FlaHawker 24]

Right now, Russell Wilson has the skill position players on offense, the ones under contract, together out on the West Coast practicing drills together. All the WRs, TEs, QBs, and RBs. The team is still hungry and dedicated despite winning a title.

 

Meanwhile, San Francisco players are also practicing together in the prison courtyard during their one hour of free time every day. No deep throw drills as of yet as they are gun shy about throwing any bomb plays.

I'm disappointed Girl's name didn't attend.

[FlaHawker 24]

Sidney Rice resigned!

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10792817/sidney-rice-agrees-deal-seattle-seahawks

[phillybear 366]

Sidney Rice is still out there, unsigned.

 

Given that one of our needs is tall WR end zone type guy, and Rice is 6'4" and we now when, I know that the thing "when" is key, he is healthy, he is effective with Wilson, I'd feel better getting him under contract, veteran minimum incentive laden deal one year deal to take away a key need going into the draft so that the front office can more openly rededicate themselves to drafting for value for the offensive and defensive line.

 

It's the old adage of not wanting to be at the end of a position run, but wanting to start a position run. Everybody is talking about all the WRs that will go flying off the shelf in this draft early. Well, so what? Do you want to take the 7th best WR, or the 2nd best OG or maybe 3rd best OT? Or maybe a big 'ole pass rushing DT, a value you might not get so late in the first round most years because so many WRs are going to push other positions further down. I'd take Rice as insurance and draft for value, whatever that might be. If you can convince Rice to sign. I don't see him visiting anybody right now.

Yahtzee.

 

We lost Golden Tate, and I say so what, again. He continues to yap up a storm how disrespected he felt by our contract offer, while every publication lists the Tate signing with Detroit as the worst value for the buck signing, the biggest mistake. Meanwhile, we won a title with no production out of Harvin for the entire year, and maybe a couple of games out of Rice. Now, our WRs with Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, Kearse looks pretty focking rock solid, although slightly injury prone.

 

I like that, first of all, we are in the bargain hunting phase of free agency. And whatever the final number with Rice, it will be a bargain. What an offseason, where we were able to hold onto both Rice and Zach Miller because they were willing to restructure just because they wanted to play here. Rice visited the Jets yesterday, and I think as he was leaving the Jets parking lot, he must have been calling the Seahawks to tell them I'll sign at whatever number you guys want.

 

So, the draft truly is best player available. There is no need to draft a WR early unless the value presents itself. No need to draft a TE necessarily with 3 guys already under contract and unlikely to get cut. We have a bad track record with taking Olinemen early, although supposedly Carpenter has lost something like 25 lbs this offseason and might actually make an effort. While it makes sense from a historical perspective to take big uglies later in the draft, I think we could go OT with the first pick, as most year those guys go freaking early, but the WRs are going to push some of these talented guys down further than normal. I think we are out of balance on the O-line, with many more guard candidates than tackle candidates. Likewise, I think we will take an edge rusher early, most likely a DE, but possible a hybrid LB that can play competently against the run.

 

So, after the Rice signing, our draft needs:

 

1. Offensive Tackle

2. Defensive End for rotation

3. Depth

 

Basically, depth in the defensive secondary after losing Thurmond, Browner, Maragos. Depth at DE after losing Red Bryant, Clemons, Schofield. Maybe a DT after losing McDonald. Maybe a WR to develop since Rice probably won't resign after this season. A RB with an eye to when Lynch's deal expires in a couple of years. A TE pass catching threat maybe, but Miller is good for two years now and Willson is OK. A LB because most of their contracts are up next year. A QB for the #3 spot. Am I missing anything?

[phillybear 366]

Oh, yeah. Final note. Before we go and squawk about bringing back Rice and not taking a kid in the first round, let's not forget we are trying to win a Super Bowl this year. A rookie WR that comes in and absorbs the playbook and makes an impact is rare. Rice knows this system all the back to Minnesota and has good chemistry with Wilson. Hey, the window to win is wide open, so this move makes all the sense in the world to me.

[Kopy 571]

 

Yahtzee.

 

We lost Golden Tate, and I say so what, again. He continues to yap up a storm how disrespected he felt by our contract offer, while every publication lists the Tate signing with Detroit as the worst value for the buck signing, the biggest mistake. Meanwhile, we won a title with no production out of Harvin for the entire year, and maybe a couple of games out of Rice. Now, our WRs with Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, Kearse looks pretty focking rock solid, although slightly injury prone.

 

I like that, first of all, we are in the bargain hunting phase of free agency. And whatever the final number with Rice, it will be a bargain. What an offseason, where we were able to hold onto both Rice and Zach Miller because they were willing to restructure just because they wanted to play here. Rice visited the Jets yesterday, and I think as he was leaving the Jets parking lot, he must have been calling the Seahawks to tell them I'll sign at whatever number you guys want.

 

So, the draft truly is best player available. There is no need to draft a WR early unless the value presents itself. No need to draft a TE necessarily with 3 guys already under contract and unlikely to get cut. We have a bad track record with taking Olinemen early, although supposedly Carpenter has lost something like 25 lbs this offseason and might actually make an effort. While it makes sense from a historical perspective to take big uglies later in the draft, I think we could go OT with the first pick, as most year those guys go freaking early, but the WRs are going to push some of these talented guys down further than normal. I think we are out of balance on the O-line, with many more guard candidates than tackle candidates. Likewise, I think we will take an edge rusher early, most likely a DE, but possible a hybrid LB that can play competently against the run.

 

So, after the Rice signing, our draft needs:

 

1. Offensive Tackle

2. Defensive End for rotation

3. Depth

 

Basically, depth in the defensive secondary after losing Thurmond, Browner, Maragos. Depth at DE after losing Red Bryant, Clemons, Schofield. Maybe a DT after losing McDonald. Maybe a WR to develop since Rice probably won't resign after this season. A RB with an eye to when Lynch's deal expires in a couple of years. A TE pass catching threat maybe, but Miller is good for two years now and Willson is OK. A LB because most of their contracts are up next year. A QB for the #3 spot. Am I missing anything?

I was thinking that was his second phone call.

His first was to Breno Giacomini and he asked him "What the f0ck is wrong with you"?

Seriously though. Unless your a Golden Tate, and you get the bank thrown at you from someone else. I hope Rice and Hauschka tell everyone about their FA visits, and tell them be happy your here. Unless it's the bank, you don't wanna see the other side.

[FlaHawker 24]

I still think a WR at 32 or 64 is a viable pick. Both Baldwin and Kearse will be FA after this year and with Rice and Harvin's injury history you never know. Remember they drafted Girl's name last year and basically redshirted him. I could see the same thing with a WR this year.

[phillybear 366]

I still think a WR at 32 or 64 is a viable pick. Both Baldwin and Kearse will be FA after this year and with Rice and Harvin's injury history you never know. Remember they drafted Girl's name last year and basically redshirted him. I could see the same thing with a WR this year.

 

As of right now, I'm thinking that with the #64, we end up with OT Billy Turner, Nebraska or OG/OT Joe Bitonio, Nevada. Both I have graded as upper 3rd roundish players that may fit the mold of what could fit with this team, more than any OT in the first where we would be picking.

 

That leaves #32 as wide open to possibilities.

 

I respect the redshirt analogy. I think they are basically running the Seahawks as a big time college program. A bunch of guys graduated this offseason and left campus. Some redshirts and freshmen will need to step up. The good news is that a bunch of seniors will be around for a 5th or 6th season, if you slip them some cash under the table. Some JUCO transfers. A couple of recruits. Pete Carroll goes to work. They did call it a "Four Year Plan". I think that they were inferring a college type of plan to account for the churn, fiscal sanity, and being able to compete for a national title/Super Bowl.

[Groundhog 24]

Talent-wise, I would assume they are happier where they are with the WR corps than with the O-line. Two guys gone, Carp is still a mystery, and Bailey and Bowie have promise but are unproven. There is a need to take some O-line help even if no injuries occur. But if you told me that the WRs would suffer zero games to injury in 2014, I'd be pretty fine with what we have now that Rice is back. In other words, the need for WR help is risk-based, not talent-based. Kearse, Rice, Harvin and Baldwin is a pretty solid starting set of WRs, so what we're talking about is finding guys to fill out the #5 and #6 spots (again, if no injuries). On the O-line we're talking about making changes to the starting five. That seems very different to me.

 

So my guess is, if a guy like Bitonio is available at 1.32, they'll take him there, and leave WR to the #64 pick. And if their best options at OL with arguably first-round grades are already gone (e.g. Bitonio, Morgan Moses) then hold off for value, and go WR instead at 1.32. Rob Staton has compared Bitonio to Logan Mankins which I consider pretty high praise.

 

Beyond the first two rounds, I think LB is a big priority since we're not sure we'll sign everyone next year. And I think DE depth is a priority too, since we might lose Avril after 2014. I would love it if Terrance West (RB, Towson) fell to us in the later rounds, he totally fits the mold of what we look for in an RB.

[FlaHawker 24]

2014 NFL Draft: The Pete Carroll Recruitment Connection

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2014/4/18/5623136/2014-nfl-draft-pete-carroll-seahawks-usc-recruiting

[phillybear 366]

I'm seeing it being reported in a couple of different spots that Sidney Rice signed a one year, 1.4 million deal with the Seahawks. Not sure of the incentives involved, but that is a hell of a deal for Seahawks.

[Groundhog 24]

I'm seeing it being reported in a couple of different spots that Sidney Rice signed a one year, 1.4 million deal with the Seahawks. Not sure of the incentives involved, but that is a hell of a deal for Seahawks.

holy crap. He was previously on the books for, what, $9.7m? That is a huge savings. The front office should get the key to the city.

[chcougar1 6]

Pryor huh? I sure hope it was a 7th rounder

[Kopy 571]

Terrelle Pryor asked out of Oakland. They'll try to find a trade partner.

 

I never really cared for him too much. But I'd also have no problems trading a 7th for him.

[chcougar1 6]

Nice call

[bsballkingben99 2]

If you guys had to guess what do you think they're going to do with Pryor? Will they bring him in to be a backup QB? Maybe use him occasionally for read option plays? Or will they try to convert him to WR or another position? This is an interesting move and I don't think they're bringing him to Seattle to sit the bench behind Russell.

[phillybear 366]

So, after the Rice signing, our draft needs:

 

1. Offensive Tackle

2. Defensive End for rotation

3. Depth

 

Basically, depth in the defensive secondary after losing Thurmond, Browner, Maragos. Depth at DE after losing Red Bryant, Clemons, Schofield. Maybe a DT after losing McDonald. Maybe a WR to develop since Rice probably won't resign after this season. A RB with an eye to when Lynch's deal expires in a couple of years. A TE pass catching threat maybe, but Miller is good for two years now and Willson is OK. A LB because most of their contracts are up next year. A QB for the #3 spot. Am I missing anything?

 

While BJ Daniels quietly rejoined the roster, he will be back on the practice squad by the start of the season, if not signed elsewhere. Acquiring Terrell Pryor for the #247 pick, the last non compensatory pick in the draft is great value. It's not like trying to see if some rookie can play in the NFL. Pryor has been in the league for a few seasons, started and won some games despite all the dreck surrounding him in Oakland. He's the perfect scout QB to mimic Raepernick in practice sessions on the scout team as he is athletic and has an arm and is actually faster than Raepernick. His style is similar to Russell Wilson and Tarvaris Jackson as far as mobility so the offensive scheme is a fit. The only knock on Pryor is reading defenses. Wilson has helped Jackson with that skill, and no doubt can with Pryor is the kid wants to learn. Apparently San Fran also wanted Pryor, but offered a conditional draft pick contingent on Pryor making the roster, so Seattle outbid them, which is fine since Seattle would have been #32 on the waiver claim list and no chance to get Pryor without a trade since the guy is only making 700K this year and comes cheaply, so all speculation that Pryor was going to be released is meaningless. Seems like San Fran might not feeling so good about the Gabbert acquisition if they were fishing for Pryor too, while we picked up a genuine prospect who spent 3 years in Oakland learning 3 different offensive systems, so this is worth the draft pick, easily. Tarvaris Jackson is making guaranteed money, so he will not be cut. Expect it to be Russell Wilson then Tarvaris Jackson then Terrelle Pryor.

 

We only have 6 picks going into the draft. We may use the 1st round pick, may not, but somewhere along the line, Schneider will make a trade to get more 3rd day picks. So, get ready to possibly trade out of the 1st and/or 2nd round and go backwards. Hell, a draft this full of talent, and I would not be surprised if we don't make our first pick until the 3rd or even 4th round, by design. Might be why Seattle isn't bringing in many highly rated prospects for visits, but keep being linked to mid round to late round players. They aren't going to make any early picks.

[phillybear 366]

If you guys had to guess what do you think they're going to do with Pryor? Will they bring him in to be a backup QB? Maybe use him occasionally for read option plays? Or will they try to convert him to WR or another position? This is an interesting move and I don't think they're bringing him to Seattle to sit the bench behind Russell.

 

It's a possibility. Although, with the current rules, I don't know if the Seahawks want to keep 3 active QBs on the game day roster at the expense of another position necessarily. It sounds like they want to try out Pryor at QB for the most part. But I don't see any reason they can't get creative from time to time. Harvin is used somewhat unconventionally at times, so the possibility exists in getting Pryor into open space and see what he can do. Hell, he had a 93 yard TD run vs Pittsburgh last year.

[phillybear 366]

holy crap. He was previously on the books for, what, $9.7m? That is a huge savings. The front office should get the key to the city.

 

 

Seems that the Jets offered more money, but Rice stayed in Seattle. Well, you also have to consider that the tax rates in the Mid Atlantic states are brutally high. Most folks around here pay 50 to 60% of their incomes towards taxes.

 

I think the contract maxes out at 1.4 million, including all the incentives, with a small part of the contract guaranteed (signing bonus). Yep. An amazing deal as a home town discount. Bennett, Miller, and now Rice.

[Groundhog 24]

Here's a case for the Seahawks trading out of the 1st round, in order to get more picks.

 

I know it is unusual to see draft day trades involving the last pick of the draft. Ever since we went to the 3-day system, everyone has a chance to take a deep breath after rd1, see who is still on the board, and then there's more interest with the early picks in rd2.

 

I think this year may be the exception, depending on how far some of the QBs fall in the draft.

 

I don't mean guys like Manziel or Bortles, who clearly are going to go in rd1, somewhere. But everyone else, you could make an argument that they are still there approaching rd2. That means guys like Carr, Bridgewater, Garoppolo, McCarron. I may be underestimating how high Carr goes, but I think the other guys are more likely in rd2.

 

Now assume that teams which are QB-needy that pick towards the top of the draft elect to go elsewhere. Maybe the Texans pick Clowney. Maybe the Jags go for Sammy Watkins. The Rams go for Khalil Mack. The rationale for going elsewhere, again, is the feeling that there are plenty of good QBs to be had at the top of rd2.

 

But if too many people decide to wait for the top of rd2, then some team in the middle of rd2 might get antsy. Maybe they decide to trade back into the first round, near the bottom of the round, to grab the QB they want. And 1st rd picks come with the team's option for a 5th year, which means that if they get the pick right, it's one more year of a reasonable cap hit. A 2nd-rounder only gets a four-year deal, no 5th year option.

 

Or is this just wishful thinking on my part so that the Hawks can recoup a 3rd rounder?

[phillybear 366]

Here's a case for the Seahawks trading out of the 1st round, in order to get more picks.

 

I know it is unusual to see draft day trades involving the last pick of the draft. Ever since we went to the 3-day system, everyone has a chance to take a deep breath after rd1, see who is still on the board, and then there's more interest with the early picks in rd2.

 

I think this year may be the exception, depending on how far some of the QBs fall in the draft.

 

I don't mean guys like Manziel or Bortles, who clearly are going to go in rd1, somewhere. But everyone else, you could make an argument that they are still there approaching rd2. That means guys like Carr, Bridgewater, Garoppolo, McCarron. I may be underestimating how high Carr goes, but I think the other guys are more likely in rd2.

 

Now assume that teams which are QB-needy that pick towards the top of the draft elect to go elsewhere. Maybe the Texans pick Clowney. Maybe the Jags go for Sammy Watkins. The Rams go for Khalil Mack. The rationale for going elsewhere, again, is the feeling that there are plenty of good QBs to be had at the top of rd2.

 

But if too many people decide to wait for the top of rd2, then some team in the middle of rd2 might get antsy. Maybe they decide to trade back into the first round, near the bottom of the round, to grab the QB they want. And 1st rd picks come with the team's option for a 5th year, which means that if they get the pick right, it's one more year of a reasonable cap hit. A 2nd-rounder only gets a four-year deal, no 5th year option.

 

Or is this just wishful thinking on my part so that the Hawks can recoup a 3rd rounder?

 

I was just adjusting my draft bored the past few days, taking Average Draft Position into account. Risers and fallers in the chatter.

 

I agree with your scenario. I think Manziel, Bortles and Bridgewater, Carr go first round, and many teams are gambling that the rest fall into the 2nd. As the 2nd rounder tier, I have Garoppolo, Mettenberger, McCarron. Third round tier is Murray and Fales. Hell of a lot of QBs to be considered. But the trend is the steaming of draft position. Manziel is trending up, and rapidly and significantly ascending are Carr, Garoppolo, Mettenberger, and finally Murray. The panic is starting to set in to land one of these guys for QB needy teams. And some of the injury question marks are being cleared up and going away.

 

While I like the idea of trading out of the #32, they absolutely had to have a trade agreed upon ahead of time with somebody. Nobody is going to make a hasty move for the last pick of a day when you have all night and next day to think about a trade offer for the #33 pick. But, to recoup that 3rd round pick is going to be impossible. To move down to the mid 2nd round, they could acquire a 4th and a 5th, maybe throw back a 6th. That's probably the very best they can do. No team is going to give up a mid 2nd and mid 3rd for #32. Would you do #32 and the #132 for mid 2nd rounder and a mid 3rd rounder? Quick, somebody find the draft calculator which I don't have bookmarked at work. There isn't great value to #32 unless a team cherishes the 5th year option on 1st round picks as a contract device. I think the 2nd rounder is more pliable for movement.

 

Basically, we will need a situation of a QB run or beginning of a QB run to get a team to panic into a trade into #32.

 

I did tagging on my board of player visits vs draft bored positioning, and other than Timmie Jernigan, Brandin Cooks, and rising Demarcus Lawrence, nobody else really fits into a 1st round value for the Seahawks that they've visited with. I'm getting the sense that Seattle trades down with the 2nd rounder based on the players they've been visiting with, which I'll try to explain and document with a post later today or tomorrow.

 

The draft can't come soon enough. I'm creating spreadsheets to analyze my other spreadsheets. Somewhere along the way I think I discovered the cure for skin tags, but I erased it to make room for an analysis on a 6th round Tight End.

[phillybear 366]

 

I think it's going to be very difficult to trade out of 1.32 and go down. It's the last pick of the day. Everybody around the league has already packed up all their sh!t and is on their way home. If a player slipped, they will re-evaluate and try to trade up for the #2.1 pick the next day. Not rush to trade for the 1.32 pick. Since the league went to this 3 day format, I don't know if any team has been able to trade away a pick in the bottom 7 or so and been able to move down, off the top of my head. I think we will sit there and just take the pick.

 

Oh, I just looked one up. In 2010,

Minnesota gave up #30 (1st round), #128 (4th round)

Detroit gave up #34 (2nd round), #100 (4th round), #214 (7th round)

 

Meh, not excited by it. You gain a 7th and you slide up in the 4th. For trading out of the first round, but not that far. That let's you know that you won't get jack sh!t for moving down that late. Unless you deep dive into the middle to end of the 2nd. If you want to sit back and say that you are willing to not make your first pick until the end of the 2nd round to pick up a mid to late 3rd round pick, I guess that works. But I'm not crying over the loss of the 3rd rounder, since it was the end of the 3rd round pick, and we added the Raiders 5th round pick (Matt Flynn trade), a top of the 5th round pick. Not much harm done. I know we excel at picking late, but I don't want to move out of the first just to pick up a 7th rounder.

 

I thought we had covered this topic before.

[FlaHawker 24]

I like the move for Pryor. Jedi Johnny described him as an "explosive athlete. " Watched some YouTube highlights of Pryor grabbing TD passes at Ohio St. At 6'6 he has the size to be a red zone threat.