War imminent as Russia masses troops at East Ukraine border

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Expel from G8, deny admission to WTO. HTH

I think this plus some sanctions is a good strategy. Like it or not, there's not a whole lot the US can or should do about it.

[Googballz 39]

I'm mostly I retested in exposing the hypocrisy of the crybaby partisans on this site.

Mission Accomplished!

I am not sure what part of that is English. I assume you think you exposed hypocrisy by someone. Who would that be?

 

All I see is someone who brought up an irrelevant article from years ago and lied about its contents. Obama has bungled this so completely you are getting extremely desperate.

[MDC 7,663]

I am not sure what part of that is English. I assume you think you exposed hypocrisy by someone. Who would that be?

 

All I see is someone who brought up an irrelevant article from years ago and lied about its contents. Obama has bungled this so completely you are getting extremely desperate.

The last admin did NOTHING when Russia took Georgia and killed 1,000 citizens and you am the typical clowns here said nothing. Ergo your lame soap opera like histrionics are sad and womanly, and I laugh at you and your buddy Jose.

[paulinstl 296]

We hope Russia's leaders will recognize that a future of cooperation and peace will benefit all parties. The Cold War is over. The days of satellite states and spheres of influence are behind us. A contentious relationship with Russia is not in America's interests, and a contentious relationship with America is not in Russia's interests.

 

With its actions in recent days, Russia has damaged its credibility and its relations with the nations of the free world. Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century.

 

Only Russia can decide whether it will now put itself back on the path of responsible nations or continue to pursue a policy that promises only confrontation and isolation.

 

To begin to repair its relations with the United States and Europe and other nations and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must respect the freedom of its neighbors.

 

 

[Googballz 39]

The last admin did NOTHING when Russia took Georgia and killed 1,000 citizens and you am the typical clowns here said nothing. Ergo your lame soap opera like histrionics are sad and womanly, and I laugh at you and your buddy Jose.

I was not here during that time.

 

Good luck coming up with something else to divert attention away from the massive failure Obama has been on this issue.

[MDC 7,663]

I was not here during that time.

 

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If I were RP I'd scrap that handle and start over again too. Unfortunately you're as much of an attention wh0ring pedantic doosh bag loser under this name as you were under that one.

[paulinstl 296]

I was not here during that time.

 

Good luck coming up with something else to divert attention away from the massive failure Obama has been on this issue.

 

What do you propose to do if you don't think diplomacy, financial sanctions and international pressure isn't enough? American troops in the Ukraine? NATO troops?

[Sho Nuff 720]

I was not here during that time.

 

Good luck coming up with something else to divert attention away from the massive failure Obama has been on this issue.

 

Every single time you say it...it becomes even more funny.

[Googballz 39]

The alias fall back plan.

 

Utter desperation on your part.

[Googballz 39]

What do you propose to do if you don't think diplomacy, financial sanctions and international pressure isn't enough? American troops in the Ukraine? NATO troops?

What financial sanctions and international pressure?

[NewbieJr 541]

I was not here during that time.

 

Good luck coming up with something else to divert attention away from the massive failure Obama has been on this issue.

Wait. Wait. Wait. Please tell me you're not implying that you would have spoken out against the Bush administration.

 

How many dead so far because of how Obama has handled this so far? I'll hang up and listen.

[paulinstl 296]

What financial sanctions and international pressure?

 

Seriously?

[MDC 7,663]

The alias fall back plan.

 

Utter desperation on your part.

I'm glad Mike got tired of your sh1t and banned your old handle.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I think this plus some sanctions is a good strategy. Like it or not, there's not a whole lot the US can or should do about it.

I think it's an appropriate solution.

 

Military intervention is essentially off the table given Russia's military and especially nuclear status.

 

So you expel them from international trade organizations and say "if you can't play by the rules, you're on your own."

 

The next step would be to put affirmative sanctions in place like with Iran and North Korea. But many countries will be against that because they depend on Russia for energy production and so forth. I can't see it going that far unless Russia goes full-takeover mode.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I was not here during that time.

[Googballz 39]

Seriously?

Freezing non-existent U. S. Bank accounts of a few Putin minions constitutes financial sanctions?

 

Where is this coalition exerting international pressure?

[phillybear 366]

 

 

What do you propose to do if you don't think diplomacy, financial sanctions and international pressure isn't enough? American troops in the Ukraine? NATO troops?

In the end, it will be just lip service. Tens of thousands of Ukrainians will die in bloodshed over Eastern Ukraine, if not pushing into the millions, because they cannot survive as a nation without the industry in that region and have to fight to save it. There is very bad blood in the history between Ukraine and Russia. Ukrainians loathe Russia with a passion. The world will hem and haw, and in the end do nothing. Then chalk it up to collateral damage. Oh, and the United States disarmed the Ukraine to begin with, but they sure aren't taking any responsibility for this disaster.

Nobody is going to enact sanctions. A few countries will shout "shenanigans" and that's about it.

[paulinstl 296]

Freezing non-existent U. S. Bank accounts of a few Putin minions constitutes financial sanctions?

 

Where is this coalition exerting international pressure?

 

 

The threat of deep, long lasting sanctions is there right now. What has been done as of now is a small taste of what could come down on Russia. The EU has already suspended talks with Russia on a wide-ranging economic pact and a visa agreement. The bloc's leaders are meeting Thursday and Friday and could start slapping economic sanctions on Russia this weekend if Moscow does not back down.

 

 

As far as international pressure, I'd say that every country's negative reaction would leave Russia feeling very isolated.

 

Again, are you calling for a military response?

[Googballz 39]

The threat of deep, long lasting sanctions is there right now. What has been done as of now is a small taste of what could come down on Russia. The EU has already suspended talks with Russia on a wide-ranging economic pact and a visa agreement. The bloc's leaders are meeting Thursday and Friday and could start slapping economic sanctions on Russia this weekend if Moscow does not back down.

 

 

As far as international pressure, I'd say that every country's negative reaction would leave Russia feeling very isolated.

 

Again, are you calling for a military response?

Threats of future sanctions? Meetings to talk about future sanctions?

 

I am sure Putin was shocked and amazed to find out a lot of countries had a negative reaction to his invasion of Crimea. Seriously, this is what you bring?

 

No wonder they are literally laughing at our response.

[MDC 7,663]

Threats of future sanctions? Meetings to talk about future sanctions?

 

I am sure Putin was shocked and amazed to find out a lot of countries had a negative reaction to his invasion of Crimea. Seriously, this is what you bring?

 

No wonder they are literally laughing at our response.

He learned from Georgia that when you invade another country the US doesn't enact sanctions or do anything, but the president gazes into your eyes to see your souls like a freaking phaggot.

 

Bush's gay weakness is to blame.

[NewbieJr 541]

Zero lives lost. Zero taxpayers dollars spent. So far, so good Obama.

[Frank M 181]

Threats of future sanctions? Meetings to talk about future sanctions?

 

I am sure Putin was shocked and amazed to find out a lot of countries had a negative reaction to his invasion of Crimea. Seriously, this is what you bring?

 

No wonder they are literally laughing at our response.

You have an inability to answer any direct question, don't you?

 

Do you favor military intervention against a country with nuclear capabilities?

[Googballz 39]

You have an inability to answer any direct question, don't you?

 

No. Direct enough?

[paulinstl 296]

No. Direct enough?

 

So what's the better option than what we are doing?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

So what's the better option than what we are doing?

bump

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Seriously?

 

He won't actually answer real questions.

He wants to complain about Obama...whine about left leaning posters...and pretend he is new here.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You have an inability to answer any direct question, don't you?

 

Do you favor military intervention against a country with nuclear capabilities?

 

He also likes to parse quotes to avoid answering the questions people have been asking.

 

I won't bother with him much longer.

Probably best to just put him on ignore. Word games and avoiding the real questions is the schtick here.

[Googballz 39]

So what's the better option than what we are doing?

Moz laid out a plan I agree with early in this thread. Someone else, can't remember who right now, laid out some other good ideas I agreed with. I will let you find them if you are that interested.

 

The problem is that Obama has been so weak on this he has no credibility. Putin thinks he is a joke.

[paulinstl 296]

Moz laid out a plan I agree with early in this thread. Someone else, can't remember who right now, laid out some other good ideas I agreed with. I will let you find them if you are that interested.

 

The problem is that Obama has been so weak on this he has no credibility. Putin thinks he is a joke.

 

You don't think these words are pretty forceful and could make a difference?

 

We hope Russia's leaders will recognize that a future of cooperation and peace will benefit all parties. The Cold War is over. The days of satellite states and spheres of influence are behind us. A contentious relationship with Russia is not in America's interests, and a contentious relationship with America is not in Russia's interests.

 

With its actions in recent days, Russia has damaged its credibility and its relations with the nations of the free world. Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century.

 

Only Russia can decide whether it will now put itself back on the path of responsible nations or continue to pursue a policy that promises only confrontation and isolation.

 

To begin to repair its relations with the United States and Europe and other nations and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must respect the freedom of its neighbors.

 

[NewbieJr 541]

Moz laid out a plan I agree with early in this thread. Someone else, can't remember who right now, laid out some other good ideas I agreed with. I will let you find them if you are that interested.

 

The problem is that Obama has been so weak on this he has no credibility. Putin thinks he is a joke.

In other words, no thoughts of your own.

 

For someone with so many opinions about how Obama is handling this, you sure are a focking moron when it comes to coming up with better options.

 

What's the matter, pussie? Afraid that if you put something out there and Obama ends up doing it, you'll be forced to be on his side?

 

Damn, as much as I know I should ignore you and that you're just a rightie troll, it sure ids fun backing you into corners and proving what a spinless cvntt you are.

[Frank M 181]

Moz laid out a plan I agree with early in this thread. Someone else, can't remember who right now, laid out some other good ideas I agreed with. I will let you find them if you are that interested.

 

The problem is that Obama has been so weak on this he has no credibility. Putin thinks he is a joke.

 

So, you favor saber rattling without actually planning to intervene militarily, and expanding fracking.

 

Good plan!

 

[Googballz 39]

You don't think these words are pretty forceful and could make a difference?

 

Did they make a difference?

[paulinstl 296]

Did they make a difference?

 

Probably not because after the president made this speech, just 8 years later Putin invaded the Ukraine.

[Googballz 39]

Probably not because after the president made this speech, just 8 years later Putin invaded the Ukraine.

Yeah. I know.

 

Nice try though.

[NewbieJr 541]

Still zero dead

[phillybear 366]

Still zero dead

 

You're talking Americans, right? To clarify.

[paulinstl 296]

Yeah. I know.

 

Nice try though.

 

 

OK then do you want to explain to me how the current administration is handling this situation any differently than the former one did? So far, all you have said is that you are in favor of is Obama making a military threat.

 

I don't think that accomplishes anything. If you make a threat, you better be willing to back it up or that leaves you looking weak. Seeing that you already think Obama is weak, what will be gained by that course? There is no way we will go to war with Russia over the Crimea.

 

If you don't think economic sanctions and international pressure will do anything, what is a viable next step? Just answer the question, are you in favor of sending our military to Ukraine? Yes or no?

[NewbieJr 541]

:popcorn:

[Googballz 39]

Where did I say economic sanctions and international pressure wouldn't work?

 

I fail to see where these have been tried. Saying you are going to freeze non-existent U. S. bank accounts of a few Putin cronies is a joke, not sanctions. That joke literally had the Russians laughing at Obama.

 

It may be too late for Obama to get tough and threaten military action. He has ruined any shred of credibility he had with Russia.

[paulinstl 296]

Where did I say economic sanctions and international pressure wouldn't work?

 

I fail to see where these have been tried. Saying you are going to freeze non-existent U. S. bank accounts of a few Putin cronies is a joke, not sanctions. That joke literally had the Russians laughing at Obama.

 

It may be too late for Obama to get tough and threaten military action. He has ruined any shred of credibility he had with Russia.

 

 

So you are in favor of sanctions and diplomatic pressure as the way to deal with this crisis, but you don't think the ones done so far have enough teeth. Is that a fair assessment of your stance?