NewbieJr 541 Posted April 4, 2014 It's completely relevant to the argument. It just don't fit your cookie cutter agenda that you are following and your plan of action is to dismiss any legitimate point made. I get that. I don't give a sh!t how many times you refer to me as a bigot; it doesn't make it so. I look at people as basically numbers rather than living human beings. I hate all people equally. I use reason and logic. You have a head full of pudding. and another swing and a miss. Care to try for a third time telling us one single way gays getting married affects you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 If I read this correctly, this guy, BEFORE he was CEO made a donation. He's not telling his workers to donate, he's not pushing his beliefs on his workers, anything of the sport. :facepalm: I do this too: But it has zero to do with this story. I think you're wrong. My point is that employers put limits on their workers' free expression all the time. The type and extent of the limit usually depends on how public the job is and the customer or client base they serve. CEO of a tech firm is a highly public job serving a progressive client base. Therefore Mozilla didn't want this guy espousing beliefs that would hurt its bottom line. The end. :worldssmallestviolin: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 4, 2014 CEO of a tech firm is a highly public job serving a progressive client base. Therefore Mozilla didn't want this guy espousing beliefs that would hurt its bottom line. The end. Why is the primitive right having such a hard time understanding this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 4, 2014 I think you're wrong. My point is that employers put limits on their workers' free expression all the time. The type and extent of the limit usually depends on how public the job is and the customer or client base they serve. CEO of a tech firm is a highly public job serving a progressive client base. Therefore Mozilla didn't want this guy espousing beliefs that would hurt its bottom line. The end. :worldssmallestviolin: You're stating why he was fired. I understand the "why". I just think its silly and fake outrage is all. The guy was clearly the right candidate for the job originally as he was made CEO. He was qualified for the job. He never pushed his beliefs on anyone at his company or anyone else. He made a small donation to a political action commitee in California six years ago.....before he was CEO. He didn't march, he wasn't and isn't on TV, he hasn't pushed his veiws on anyone. It was a witch hunt. I understand WHY, I just think its ridiculous. IF this CEO was pushing his beliefs on while in his position thats one thing, but going back in someones past, picking out something small like this based on a personal belief, and then fast forwarding six years and firing a guy over it is simply over the top IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 You're stating why he was fired. I understand the "why". I just think its silly and fake outrage is all. The guy was clearly the right candidate for the job originally as he was made CEO. He was qualified for the job. He never pushed his beliefs on anyone at his company or anyone else. He made a small donation to a political action commitee in California six years ago.....before he was CEO. He didn't march, he wasn't and isn't on TV, he hasn't pushed his veiws on anyone. It was a witch hunt. I understand WHY, I just think its ridiculous. IF this CEO was pushing his beliefs on while in his position thats one thing, but going back in someones past, picking out something small like this based on a personal belief, and then fast forwarding six years and firing a guy over it is simply over the top IMO. We have no way of knowing either way but maybe the CEO would've survived if he hadn't defended his beliefs publicly a few weeks back? Dunno. Of all the ways that employment laws are unfair to workers a CEO getting the axe for making unpopular comments ranks pretty far down my list. Talk about fake outrage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 4, 2014 Talk about fake outrage. Are you comparing me writing two posts on low rent message board giving my opinion on a current event to getting a CEO fired as the same thing? The fake outrage is the push by people to get this guy fired and the outrage over him donating to a political action committee six focking years ago. I'm just a schmoe postin a random opinon. The fact you are comparing the two is illogical and down right stupid. Par for the course I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 520 Posted April 4, 2014 Jumping Jehosophat, I'm so focking sick of this stupid focking queer marriage issue. It's so far down the list of what is important that it just doesn't register at all. Nobody should lose their job over their opinion on it, one way or the other. That's the point. People have become so entitled, they demand that everybody needs to agree with all their opinions too. No. You have to defend the rights of people with different opinions, you focking focks. Fock. What if his opinion that all black people should be slaves? Would that be ok? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2014 and another swing and a miss. Care to try for a third time telling us one single way gays getting married affects you? Holy focking sh!t. You're like some kind of ape. A really dumb focking ape. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted April 4, 2014 And this guy was not fired, he resigned. If he was fired, he'd potentially have a lawsuit. You can't possibly be that naive. Oh wait, yes you can. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 Are you comparing me writing two posts on low rent message board giving my opinion on a current event to getting a CEO fired as the same thing? The fake outrage is the push by people to get this guy fired and the outrage over him donating to a political action committee. I'm just a schmoe postin a random opinon. The fact you are comparing the two is illogical and down right stupid. Par the course I guess. I wasn't talking about you specifically. Just commenting on the fact that (some) Republicans argue against gay marriage, then act like the victims in this scenario aren't the consenting adults who can't get married, it's the poor captain of industry who gets the axe. Talk about your focked up priorities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 You're stating why he was fired. I understand the "why". I just think its silly and fake outrage is all. The guy was clearly the right candidate for the job originally as he was made CEO. He was qualified for the job. He never pushed his beliefs on anyone at his company or anyone else. He made a small donation to a political action commitee in California six years ago.....before he was CEO. He didn't march, he wasn't and isn't on TV, he hasn't pushed his veiws on anyone. It was a witch hunt. I understand WHY, I just think its ridiculous. IF this CEO was pushing his beliefs on while in his position thats one thing, but going back in someones past, picking out something small like this based on a personal belief, and then fast forwarding six years and firing a guy over it is simply over the top IMO. You know, it's funny...I happen to believe the exact same thing as KSB on this issue. Yet when I see KSB arguing the point he comes across like such a smug dooshbag that I feel a strong urge to switch sides. Good job KSB--you're such a tool you drive away people even when they agree with you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2014 What if his opinion that all black people should be slaves? Would that be ok? I'm extreme with my defense of all things speech, so I'd be cool with his opinion. However, it would be problematic. I'm pretty sure slavery is a felony, so if you are a captain of industry advocating widespread criminal activity, that would cast things in a bad light. I could understand if many folks were outraged. If he said such a thing in a bar 30 years ago, I'd say it should not be an issue. People can change. However, he'd never be given the chance to explain his current thought before they got rid of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 You can't possibly be that naive. Oh wait, yes you can. He *could* still have a suit under a theory of constructive discharge or some like that. BUT I guarantee you that part of his resignation was a severance package and a bulletproof non-disclosure agreement as Mungwater said. Really not a bad deal for the guy. He has to be CEO for a few days and likely gets millions just to walk away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 4, 2014 Holy focking sh!t. You're like some kind of ape. A really dumb focking ape. And you just like to babble and dodge very direct questions. That's what people do when they know they're on the wrong side of an argument and have no solid answers. Carry on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted April 4, 2014 I'm sorry, he resigned, but you know he had one hell of a severance and non-disclosure agreement. Probably 10X more than I'll make in a lifetime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 Probably 10X more than I'll make in a lifetime. Whose fault is that? Bootstrap yourself up Frank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 597 Posted April 4, 2014 Whose fault is that? Bootstrap yourself up Frank. Franks a bum, all you have to do is invent java script, bash a few gays, BAM payday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 520 Posted April 4, 2014 I'm extreme with my defense of all things speech, so I'd be cool with his opinion. However, it would be problematic. I'm pretty sure slavery is a felony, so if you are a captain of industry advocating widespread criminal activity, that would cast things in a bad light. I could understand if many folks were outraged. If he said such a thing in a bar 30 years ago, I'd say it should not be an issue. People can change. However, he'd never be given the chance to explain his current thought before they got rid of him. Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without repercussion. He's absolutely entitled to his opinion but he's also got to own the consequences that come along with voicing an opinion that is unpopular enough to cost the company that employs him money. I do admit that the example I gave was extreme and not necessarily apples to apples today but it was a popular opinion not that long ago that is now pretty ludicrous. The gay marriage issue is going to be looked at the same way in 30 years with our kids and grandkids commenting on their crazy homophobic grandpas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted April 4, 2014 You can't possibly be that naive. Oh wait, yes you can. Mozilla says he resigned. He says he resigned. NorhernVike says he was fired. Who to believe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NorthernVike 2,087 Posted April 4, 2014 Mozilla says he resigned. He says he resigned. NorhernVike says he was fired. Who to believe? Even worms knows that they would work out a deal before hand to avoid litigation you stupid twit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted April 4, 2014 This is a private company and they should be able to employ anyone they want but I have removed Firefox from my computer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 4, 2014 This is a private company and they should be able to employ anyone they want but I have removed Firefox from my computer. Ouch. They're going to feel the sting of that for the entire 18 months you have to live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 This is a private company and they should be able to employ anyone they want but I have removed Firefox from my computer. You should remove all web browsers just to be safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 4, 2014 This is a private company and they should be able to employ anyone they want but I have removed Firefox from my computer. I'm going to kill myself because you make sense here. I'm scared. It works both ways folks. You don't like how a company is running itself, boycott it. Put pressure on it to conform to your ideals. Some people get this.....others just b!tch about it on a low rent message bored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 How is this a free speech issue, exactly? Courts have ruled political donations are free speech. He was forced out of his job because of a political donation. That is how free speech enters into this situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 Courts have ruled political donations are free speech. He was forced out of his job because of a political donation. That is how free speech enters into this situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted April 4, 2014 Free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without repercussion. He's absolutely entitled to his opinion but he's also got to own the consequences that come along with voicing an opinion that is unpopular enough to cost the company that employs him money. I do admit that the example I gave was extreme and not necessarily apples to apples today but it was a popular opinion not that long ago that is now pretty ludicrous. The gay marriage issue is going to be looked at the same way in 30 years with our kids and grandkids commenting on their crazy homophobic grandpas. Or, look at it another way. Queers are never going to be accepted. Some governments will force their citizens to tolerate the ghey, as the United States is starting to do. However, when the Christians, Jews, and Muslims religious doctrines all preach against the sins of pickle smooching, queers will never be embraced. As it is, Muslims are growing rapidly in numbers and at some point soon will rule the world. Some Muslims believe in killing gheys but all of them reject the ghey. So the day of headshaking at crazy homophobic grandpas realistically probably will never happen. Just laying out what I think may happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frank M 181 Posted April 4, 2014 Courts have ruled political donations are free speech. He was forced out of his job because of a political donation. That is how free speech enters into this situation. Wow, that is a mighty twist, there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 Wow, that is a mighty twist, there. Exactly what is twisted? That is exactly what happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 This is a private company and they should be able to employ anyone they want but I have removed Firefox from my computer. I didn't know they made Firefox for the abacus platform Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewbieJr 541 Posted April 4, 2014 Wow, that is a mighty twist, there. lol That's like and old western when the cowboy runs out of bullets and just throws the gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,590 Posted April 4, 2014 Exactly what is twisted? That is exactly what happened. :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 Exactly what is twisted? That is exactly what happened. You'd have an excellent point if he was removed from his position by the Government. But he wasn't, so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 You'd have an excellent point if he was removed from his position by the Government. But he wasn't, so... He was forced out of his position because of his political contribution, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 He was forced out of his position because of his political contribution, right? But was he forced out by the Government? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 But was he forced out by the Government? Who said he was? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 Who said he was? You did by implication, ya fockin' dolt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 You did by implication, ya fockin' dolt No. I have said nothing about the govt having anything to do with this situation. Man, you are having a rough week. You should call it a weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 4, 2014 No. I have said nothing about the govt having anything to do with this situation. Man, you are having a rough week. You should call it a weekend. Too dumb to even know what you're saying. Sometimes I wonder how you manage to even feed yourself or remember to breathe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted April 4, 2014 Too dumb to even know what you're saying. Sometimes I wonder how you manage to even feed yourself or remember to breathe Ha! Why don't you tell me what you think I am saying. This should be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites