Justina Pelletier

[psychsurvivor 2]

Per your NIMH link:

 

Some people need to be on medication continually....

What were you saying about zealots?

If you go back to the history of the discussion you'll see OldMaid saying something along the lines "whoever said that remaining on medication long-term might impede a full return to wellness" EXPLETIVE/DISRESPECTFUL epithet. She couldn't care less about who was Tom Insel.

 

You need to understand this. The pharmaceutical industry has many ways to influence consumer behavior. Direct to consumer advertising is one of them, but, in the case of psychotropic drugs, their most powerful weapon is a hate group known as NAMI. Up until 2009, there were suspicions that NAMI's secrecy when it came to revealing its founding sources had to do with undue influence coming from Big Pharma. An investigation by US senator Chuck Grassley changed all that. His investigation was directed at conflicts of interests by researchers receiving NIH money. It turned out the most if not all of the scandals affected psychiatrists like Biederman. Chuck Grassley kept looking, and found this about NAMI http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/health/22nami.html?_r=0 .

 

So what is NAMI's job? To make sure that as many people as possible are put on drugs manufactured by the pharmaceutical companies, by force if necessary . The official NAMI platform is that it should be easier to drug and commit people against their will http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/Policy/Updates/Involuntary_Commitment_And_Court-Ordered_Treatment.htm . Do not be fooled by the "last resort" language, they make it very clear that

 

"States should adopt broader, more flexible standards that would provide for involuntary commitment and/or court-ordered treatment "

 

6.Current interpretations of laws that require proof of dangerousness often produce unsatisfactory outcomes because individuals are allowed to deteriorate needlessly before involuntary commitment and/or court-ordered treatment can be instituted. When the "dangerousness standard" is used, it must be interpreted more broadly than "imminently" and/or "provably" dangerous.

 

7.State laws should also allow for consideration of past history in making determinations about involuntary commitment and/or court-ordered treatment, since past history is often a reliable way to anticipate the future course of illness.

 

To accomplish this goal, NAMI works closely with mainstream psychiatry to recruit family members of people who see psychiatrists. My ex-wife was asked by my former shrink to go to NAMI meetings. There she was brainwashed by the "necessity of being on medication" and how dangerous it would be for me to stop it. They prey on scientifically illiterate people, literally scaring them that under no circumstances they should let their family members stop their meds. My ex left me as soon as I decided to stop the meds among other reasons by this "scaremongering" by NAMI and my former shrink. If you have read old fart's rationalizations justifying the actions by BCH docs, they mimic the NAMI language about the necessity of letting psychiatrists abuse as many people as they deem necessary for their own good.

 

I do not know OldMaid, but everything she has said comes from the NAMI propaganda handbook.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Please, please, PUH-LEASE stop responding... I beg you. Of course, I doubt you have enough control of your mental faculties to do that.

 

For the record, bringing "semantics" to the scientific arguments that I brought is as fallacious as an "appeal to pity". Typical NAMI brainwashing.

 

With respect to your name calling, for somebody who claims to be in full control of her mental abilities, you have shown very little self control yourself answering to my postings .

 

Again, my advice to you: stop digging. Stop attending NAMI meetings. If you are on a local NAMI board, abandon the board. Then read the facts and use reason and science .

[crackattack 520]

You was right oldmaid. He's to focking nuts to help it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Too

[OldMaid 2,134]

You was right oldmaid. He's to focking nuts to help it.

I know... I knew he couldn't do it. His crazy focking brain won't let him. I bet he sat there for a few moments, twitching, when he tried to.

 

And now he's claiming that I said something negative about Tom Insel?!?!? I just went back through the thread and have no focking clue what he's talking about.

 

If this guy's not posting from a mental ward, I'll be shocked. And if he's not... HE SHOULD BE.

[crackattack 520]

I know... I knew he couldn't do it. His crazy focking brain won't let him. I bet he sat there for a few moments, twitching, when he tried to.

 

And now he's claiming that I said something negative about Tom Insel?!?!? I just went back through the thread and have no focking clue what he's talking about.

 

If this guy's not posting from a mental ward, I'll be shocked. And if he's not... HE SHOULD BE.

No argument here.

[OldMaid 2,134]

No argument here.

I wonder if we tell him he can catch AIDS from posting at the Geek Club, if he'll go away?

[OldMaid 2,134]

For the record...

 

I have never even heard of NAMI before this thread.

[crackattack 520]

I wonder if we tell him he can catch AIDS from posting at the Geek Club, if he'll go away?

I don't know? I'm starting to believe someone is putting the fftoday/geek club web addy in the discharge packets from wherever he came from. Started with one, a few days later we get another. Pretty soon the inmates will literally be running the asylum.

[crackattack 520]

For the record...

 

I have never even heard of NAMI before this thread.

Me either. I wanna join though. They are sucking at keeping the crazies off the streets.

[OldMaid 2,134]

I don't know? I'm starting to believe someone is putting the fftoday/geek club web addy in the discharge packets from wherever he came from. Started with one, a few days later we get another. Pretty soon the inmates will literally be running the asylum.

 

 

Not sure about the new gal... so far they seem to be sane.

[FeelingMN 273]

If you go back to the history of the discussion you'll see OldMaid saying something along the lines "whoever said that remaining on medication long-term might impede a full return to wellness" EXPLETIVE/DISRESPECTFUL epithet. She couldn't care less about who was Tom Insel.

You need to understand this. The pharmaceutical industry has many ways to influence consumer behavior. Direct to consumer advertising is one of them, but, in the case of psychotropic drugs, their most powerful weapon is a hate group known as NAMI. Up until 2009, there were suspicions that NAMI's secrecy when it came to revealing its founding sources had to do with undue influence coming from Big Pharma. An investigation by US senator Chuck Grassley changed all that. His investigation was directed at conflicts of interests by researchers receiving NIH money. It turned out the most if not all of the scandals affected psychiatrists like Biederman. Chuck Grassley kept looking, and found this about NAMI http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/health/22nami.html?_r=0 .

So what is NAMI's job? To make sure that as many people as possible are put on drugs manufactured by the pharmaceutical companies, by force if necessary . The official NAMI platform is that it should be easier to drug and commit people against their will http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/Policy/Updates/Involuntary_Commitment_And_Court-Ordered_Treatment.htm . Do not be fooled by the "last resort" language, they make it very clear that

 

To accomplish this goal, NAMI works closely with mainstream psychiatry to recruit family members of people who see psychiatrists. My ex-wife was asked by my former shrink to go to NAMI meetings. There she was brainwashed by the "necessity of being on medication" and how dangerous it would be for me to stop it. They prey on scientifically illiterate people, literally scaring them that under no circumstances they should let their family members stop their meds. My ex left me as soon as I decided to stop the meds among other reasons by this "scaremongering" by NAMI and my former shrink. If you have read old fart's rationalizations justifying the actions by BCH docs, they mimic the NAMI language about the necessity of letting psychiatrists abuse as many people as they deem necessary for their own good.

I do not know OldMaid, but everything she has said comes from the NAMI propaganda handbook.

I hate it when people prey on the scientifically illiterate. They tell them just what they want to hear. It's like, look in the mirror!

 

Glad we're on the same page with this.

[psychsurvivor 2]

I hate it when people prey on the scientifically illiterate. They tell them just what they want to hear. It's like, look in the mirror!

Glad we're on the same page with this.

We are. To me, one of psychiatry's greatest sins is their use of the word "science" in vain. If we were to build our planes or cars with the quality that psychiatry designs its treatments, the majority of people living in developed countries would have been already exterminated victim of a car or plane accident .

[OldMaid 2,134]

He's not very good at reading the subtle nuances in what some people have to say. No wonder he keeps misinterpreting what he reads.

 

[Frank M 181]

Holy fock, I just read through this whole thread like a dumbass.

 

I can safely say there has not been a more self important, pedantic dooshbag than this so-called "survivor" since the epic creationism thread.

 

This thread is proof of the idea that crazy people don't believe they're crazy, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

[OldMaid 2,134]

Holy fock, I just read through this whole thread like a dumbass.

 

I can safely say there has not been a more self important, pedantic dooshbag than this so-called "survivor" since the epic creationism thread.

 

This thread is proof of the idea that crazy people don't believe they're crazy, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

He is eerily reminiscent of Mensa, isn't he?

[penultimatestraw 473]

Pen. Keep up the good work. I believe in what you guys do. I do believe it is an illness. Maybe we haven't found it yet scientifically, but medicine changes daily....almost. I've seen first hand what a quality doctor and proper medications can do. You're work and help to others is greatly appreciated.

 

Oldmaid. I think you did a wonderful thing for/with your mom. I understand the hard work and dedication it takes to try and help mentally ill people. Turning your back on her and leaving her to her own demise could've turned out deadly for your mom or worse, somebody else. I'm sickened by the notion of not helping those who truly need it. Congrats to you and keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I don't care what we label mental illness, as long as we attempt to improve the lives of those who suffer from it. It's easy to argue Justine Pelletier isn't being any good as it is, I'll concede, but we have no idea what would become of her if her parents truly are abusive.

[penultimatestraw 473]

You haven't brought sh!t and you know it. At least not in regards to my mother.

 

You know... I do think you had a few valid points... but too bad you buried it under all this over-the-top nonsense. People stop listening when you heap on a litte too much crazy and convienently overlook things that don't support your vision.

 

I would appreciate it if you stop replying to me. I would also be eternally grateful, if you would stop talking about my mother like you know better than me, on how to best treat her.

 

In lieu of that... please fock off!

This.

[penultimatestraw 473]

It was not that the broken bone was misdiagnosed as something else - but if you fall and land on a broken bone that has not yet completely healed, it is probably going to hurt. Broken bones can cause considerable discomfort even when you don't fall - yet several of the nursing staff at BCH made it clear that pain management, or even empathy, is not part of their repertoire. If it had been just one nurse, on one occasion, I would just think that she/he was a jerk - but it was several, on a couple of occasions.

 

If you have reached middle age, surely you know how many diagnoses and standard medical practices from not too long ago have been abandoned. It wasn't that long ago that Bettelheim convinced the medical establishment that autism was the fault of "refrigerator mothers." When I gave birth to my oldest child, they expected both my baby and me to share a room with someone who was smoking in the room (I refused). My child's pediatrician prescribed fluoride drops for her, even though our water was fluoridated. Every time my child's ear looked a little red at a routine checkup, he would prescribe antibiotics. He thought we were odd to not want him to give our child the live virus polio vaccine, but rather use the killed virus vaccination. All of these, with the exception of the "refrigerator mother" hypothesis, were still standard medical practice in the 80's, but none of them are today. Doctors are wrong frequently. Why do you assume that somatoform will even be considered a valid diagnosis in 10 or 20 years? Or that SSRI's will still be used? Remember Miltown? Mito will likely turn out to be secondary to other disease processes, probably at least several of them.

 

There are two competing diagnoses. Children's refused to collaborate with Dr. Korson - based on what he himself has said, not just what the family has said. There would have been no downside to having the Tufts and Children's doctors talk to each other.

 

By the way, in case it wasn't obvious from my second paragraph, this particular "new guy" is not a guy.

Sure medical errors are made. A lot of good is also done for patients using current medical practice - far more than are harmed by it.

 

Blanket statements condemning an entire discipline of medicine, or entire hospital are unlikely to be correct. It's a lot easier for me to believe in a bad set of parents. But I don't think all parents are bad, or all carrying a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease are mentally ill.

 

Why do you assume somatoform disorder will not be a diagnosis? Or SSRIs rendered obsolete? I agree that mitochondrial disease is multifaceted, and in some cases may be due to other primary disease process(es). HIV may be one, although antiretroviral medications also cause mitochondrial injury.

 

Korson is back on the case now I believe. In time we'll see whether his initial impression was correct.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Holy fock, I just read through this whole thread like a dumbass.

 

I can safely say there has not been a more self important, pedantic dooshbag than this so-called "survivor" since the epic creationism thread.

 

This thread is proof of the idea that crazy people don't believe they're crazy, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

The parallels to IMM are obvious. Pretty entertaining how selectively they interpret data, hurl insults and claim intellectual superiority, while accusing everyone else of doing these same things.

 

Also funny how quickly they alienate people, yet lack insight to understand their self-sabotage.

[rollinghills60 0]

Sure medical errors are made. A lot of good is also done for patients using current medical practice - far more than are harmed by it.

 

Blanket statements condemning an entire discipline of medicine, or entire hospital are unlikely to be correct. It's a lot easier for me to believe in a bad set of parents. But I don't think all parents are bad, or all carrying a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease are mentally ill.

 

Why do you assume somatoform disorder will not be a diagnosis? Or SSRIs rendered obsolete? I agree that mitochondrial disease is multifaceted, and in some cases may be due to other primary disease process(es). HIV may be one, although antiretroviral medications also cause mitochondrial injury.

 

Korson is back on the case now I believe. In time we'll see whether his initial impression was correct.

Korson has seen Justina once - according to her sister, he wants to see her every week or two, but DCF is refusing to let her be seen more than every six weeks.

 

What, exactly, are you envisioning her parents having done that could possibly be more harmful to Justina than being locked up for more than a year? They have not been charged with anything, so presumably neither Children's nor DCF think the parents fed her poison. From everything I have read over the last few months, starting with the article in the Boston Globe, the only thing they have accused the parents of is taking her to too many doctors, consenting to unnecessary surgery, and making her symptoms worse by their mere presence. Since mito is often present in more than one family member, it would have been neglectful for the parents not to have taken Justina to a mito expert when she started exhibiting symptoms characteristic of that disease. One would have to have even less confidence in the medical profession than I do to think that surgeons at Tufts are so naive and gullible that they would perform cecostomy surgery without corroborating evidence that it was necessary. Anyone who has children knows that often injured or sick kids can hold it together until their parents arrive and then they fall apart. Geez, when I was sick as a dog with pneumonia as an adult, I wanted nothing more than to have my mother show up and take care of me as if I were a kid again - and she had been dead for years.

 

I know too many people with rare, or sometimes not so rare, diseases who have been diagnosed with somatoform disorder, either formally or informally. The definition in the DSM V is so broad as to be totally useless. How on earth can one person judge whether another's pain or concern is "excessive." Hospitals try to measure pain by asking patients to rate their pain on a 0-10 scale, but even that is very subjective. One kid stopped chatting with her friends on the phone just long enough to tell the nurse that her pain was an 8, whereas my family member in the next bed would have ranked her pain at 2 or 3 if she were feeling well enough to chat. Even if you could independently judge how much pain someone was feeling, how would you determine what the "right" amount of pain was for a given disease process or injury?

 

There has been increasing evidence over the past few years that SSRI's are neither as safe nor effective as the pharmaceutical companies would like you to think they are. And no, I have not depended on articles in the media - I have spent a fair amount of time on PubMed.

[Frank M 181]

The parallels to IMM are obvious. Pretty entertaining how selectively they interpret data, hurl insults and claim intellectual superiority, while accusing everyone else of doing these same things.

 

Also funny how quickly they alienate people, yet lack insight to understand their self-sabotage.

 

And try to overwhelm with sheer volume of information that, frankly, nobody really cares about except for themselves.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Blanket statements condemning an entire discipline of medicine, or entire hospital are unlikely to be correct. It's a lot easier for me to believe in a bad set of parents. But I don't think all parents are bad, or all carrying a diagnosis of mitochondrial disease are mentally ill.

 

This summarizes very well the bias that you have steadfastly denied until now. FOR YOU IT IS EASIER TO BELIEVE THOSE IN YOUR GUILD, which is precisely what I have said about you, old fart, all this time. That you are a biased observer even though you pretend you are not.

 

With respect to psychiatry, again, those "blanket statements" have been made by Tom Insel, David Kupfer and Allen Frances who probably know a thing or two about it more than some old fart retired in Hawaii.

 

You could have spared us of 20 pages of nonsense .

[psychsurvivor 2]

Holy fock, I just read through this whole thread like a dumbass.

 

I can safely say there has not been a more self important, pedantic dooshbag than this so-called "survivor" since the epic creationism thread.

 

This thread is proof of the idea that crazy people don't believe they're crazy, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Moron,

 

If you have anything smart to say to refute any of what I have talked about -particularly the statements by Tom Insel-, say it. I doubt it. Without knowing much about the history of these forums, it is patently clear that many of you take what an ignorant like old fart pen says as if it was "the word of god" even though, as he has clearly admitted, he is just an old fart with an MD degree that trusts fellow MD degree holders (especially Harvard's) over what everybody else says, never mind Harvard's proved history of protecting crooks like Joseph Biederman.

[psychsurvivor 2]

The parallels to IMM are obvious. Pretty entertaining how selectively they interpret data, hurl insults and claim intellectual superiority, while accusing everyone else of doing these same things.

 

Also funny how quickly they alienate people, yet lack insight to understand their self-sabotage.

 

As I said, for all you know, I might as well be a robot that passes the Turing test that has been able to fool the "sage in residence" old fart pen. How do you know I am not a robot? And do you know what is the Turing test? .

[Frank M 181]

Moron,

 

If you have anything smart to say to refute any of what I have talked about -particularly the statements by Tom Insel-, say it. I doubt it. Without knowing much about the history of these forums, it is patently clear that many of you take what an ignorant like old fart pen says as if it was "the word of god" even though, as he has clearly admitted, he is just an old fart with an MD degree that trusts fellow MD degree holders (especially Harvard's) over what everybody else says, never mind Harvard's proved history of protecting crooks like Joseph Biederman.

 

Nobody here cares about your crusade, nutbag.

 

HTH

[psychsurvivor 2]

Nobody here cares about your crusade, nutbag.

 

HTH

Apparently you cared enough to bother answering. My wish for you -which BTW is the same that I wish for the old fart- : http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/24910055/elderly-n-texas-man-in-custody-of-state-may-get-to-go-home .

 

If you find yourself in a similar situation, don't come back asking for help because I will just say "I told you so, moron!" .

[Frank M 181]

Apparently you cared enough to bother answering. My wish for you -which BTW is the same that I wish for the old fart- : http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/24910055/elderly-n-texas-man-in-custody-of-state-may-get-to-go-home .

 

If you find yourself in a similar situation, don't come back asking for help because I will just say "I told you so, moron!" .

 

Just adding my voice to the chorus of people here wishing that you'd leave because you're as crazy as a sh1thouse rat.

 

Here's a tip: I (and I'd wager nobody here) would ever ask you for help with anything. Why? Because you're a complete and utter dingbat. I won't find myself in a similar situation because I'm not nuts like you, and if by some strange, unfathomable reason I did, I would not seek help from a random crazy person who posts rambling, incoherent musings on a lightly trafficked message board.

 

You should get over yourself and get back on your meds that you are the only one convinced that you don't need.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Funny how the guy who cries about namecalling is the first to throw out things like useful idiots, zealots, bigots, moron and so on.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Just adding my voice to the chorus of people here wishing that you'd leave because you're as crazy as a sh1thouse rat.

 

Here's a tip: I (and I'd wager nobody here) would ever ask you for help with anything. Why? Because you're a complete and utter dingbat. I won't find myself in a similar situation because I'm not nuts like you, and if by some strange, unfathomable reason I did, I would not seek help from a random crazy person who posts rambling, incoherent musings on a lightly trafficked message board.

 

You should get over yourself and get back on your meds that you are the only one convinced that you don't need.

Here is how the mind of the "believer" in the "nanny state", "MD degree holders gods", etc works. Nobody is saying that your "request for help" should not be granted. What those of my belief system say is that there is a difference between "right to ask for help" and "obligation to receive help by force if necessary". As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions of people like you or the old fart.

 

Your belief system is what brought the world Stalin and what is having the citizens of Cuba and China oppressed as we speak.

 

I have a better offer for you. Since you seem such a believer in the "obligation to help, by coercive methods if necessary", why don't you leave the land of the free and go to live in a country like Cuba or China, both of which are a better match for your ideology? I am sure that you'll find many more people receptive to your ideas over there .

[psychsurvivor 2]

Funny how the guy who cries about namecalling is the first to throw out things like useful idiots, zealots, bigots, moron and so on.

Mister Frank threw the insults first. If he didn't want to be insulted, he should not have insulted first. Not very complicated, really .

[Frank M 181]

Here is how the mind of the "believer" in the "nanny state", "MD degree holders gods", etc works. Nobody is saying that your "request for help" should not be granted. What those of my belief system say is that there is a difference between "right to ask for help" and "obligation to receive help by force if necessary". As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions of people like you or the old fart.

 

Your belief system is what brought the world Stalin and what is having the citizens of Cuba and China oppressed as we speak.

 

I have a better offer for you. Since you seem such a believer in the "obligation to help, by coercive methods if necessary", why don't you leave the land of the free and go to live in a country like Cuba or China, both of which are a better match for your ideology? I am sure that you'll find many more people receptive to your ideas over there .

I have a better idea.

 

I'll say and do whatever I want and you can eat sh1t and die.

[OldMaid 2,134]

This might be the most epic pummeling any poster has ever taken, in the history of FFToday.

[psychsurvivor 2]

I have a better idea.

I'll say and do whatever I want and you can eat sh1t and die.

Sure, never said you couldn't say anything you wanted. You are the one who invoked censorship, to which I rebutted, if censorship and mind control by "experts" is what you like you are better off in Cuba or China than in the land of the free.

 

With respect to what I eat, I don't eat, and when and where I will die, it is not your prerogative either. Again, if having a prerogative on what people eat and when/where they die is your desire, you are still better off in Cuba or China, even Massachusetts .

[crackattack 520]

Hey psycho. Footballguys.com needs your crusade now. Nobody here cares anymore about your links or crazy ramblings. You've made your arguments/points. I think it would be awesome if you moved on now. You're just pissing in the wind here. Thanks in advance.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Hey psycho. Footballguys.com needs your crusade now. Nobody here cares anymore about your links or crazy ramblings. You've made your arguments/points. I think it would be awesome if you moved on now. You're just pissing in the wind here. Thanks in advance.

Are you a moderator of this forum or you are expressing your opinion that I should leave? I must note that save a few, the quality of comments by self proclaimed "geeks" has been pretty low, especially the comments by the old fart who finally admitted that his opinion is based on his own bias about "who to believe" rather than reason and logic. It took him 20 pages of comments to finally admit it, but he eventually did.

 

I would have loved to hear somebody defending psychiatry in the context of this study,

 

https://www.madinamerica.com/2013/11/psychiatrists-psychiatric-beds-correlated-suicide-rates/

 

Countries with more psychiatrists and mental health beds have higher suicide rates, according to a study in the International Journal of Law and Psychiatry. Researchers from Denmark and India drew data from the World Health Organization, the United Nations Statistics Division and the CIA World Fact Book to compare suicide rates in 191 countries. The authors write that “although these associations should be interpreted with caution, as the issues are complex, we suggest that population-based public health strategies may have greater impact on national suicide rates than curative mental health services for individuals.”

 

This is a study based on the best data available on how availability of Western psychiatry correlates with the suicide rate. Either the Western countries where psychiatry has free reign to abuse people like Justina people have worse life conditions than third world countries where psychiatric services are unavailable or there is something truly fishy about psychiatry in general .

[OldMaid 2,134]

Hey psycho. Footballguys.com needs your crusade now. Nobody here cares anymore about your links or crazy ramblings. You've made your arguments/points. I think it would be awesome if you moved on now. You're just pissing in the wind here. Thanks in advance.

Yep.

 

Now he's even putting words in Pen's mouth, that's how desperate he's gotten. Full on delusional, at this point.

[crackattack 520]

No I'm not a mod, but you're not changing anybody's mind. Just giving you another board to ramble at. They are waaaaaaay smarter over there. Again, footballguys.com/freeforall. Try them for awhile. They also have more people on their board. Many many more users then here. You'd be reaching a larger audience. Just a helpful suggestion.

[psychsurvivor 2]

Yep.

Now he's even putting words in Pen's mouth, that's how desperate he's gotten. Full on delusional, at this point.

Not putting words in his mouth, quoting (capital mine for emphasis),

 

"It's a lot easier FOR ME to believe in a bad set of parents"

 

Those were his exact words after 20 pages of appealing to nonsense. He should have that made that clear earlier. For HIM, a retired old fart with an MD degree, it is easier to believe the BCH quacks than the parents, something that I have never questioned. But that is called "bias" .

[psychsurvivor 2]

No I'm not a mod, but you're not changing anybody's mind. Just giving you another board to ramble at. They are waaaaaaay smarter over there. Again, footballguys.com/freeforall. Try them for awhile. They also have more people on their board. Many many more users then here. You'd be reaching a larger audience. Just a helpful suggestion.

And you are dignifying me by answering. If you don't want to engage me, stop doing it . Instead you have been spewing insults and ramblings that say more about your limited intellectual abilities than about me, frankly .