Senate issues report on CIA's Nekkid Twister parties

[Voltaire 5,489]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/senate-report-on-cia-program-details-brutality-dishonesty/2014/12/09/1075c726-7f0e-11e4-9f38-95a187e4c1f7_story.html?hpid=z1

 

I'll admit, it's not adding it to my reading list. It's not really my thing. I always prefer to pretend the Bush administration never existed and put them out of my mind totally because I hate them so g*ddamn much.

 

So, although Obummer banned the practice, the damage to our reputation was already complete anyway. Thanks to Team Bushtard's utter and complete,stupidity, Islamic fanatics now have something legitimate to hate us for for all of eternity. Decisions to prosecute the individuals responsible were all declined. Let's just hope this shameful chapter in our nations history never get repeated again.

 

I don't expect the Islamic nuts to ever forget, but that's why I like Bashar al-Assad, because what he's doing in Syria to not just the fanatical Sunni freaks, but to all Sunnis including civilians is so much worse than we were doing which was limited to jihadists themselves and didn't involve removing body parts or non-accidental death. He's also local. Easy access for any Sunni fanatic who would otherwise be inclined to blow up an American jetliner or a British subway.

 

Thank Allah for the Shiites.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I read a pretty good op-Ed that said Obummer should just go ahead and pardon everyone involved (including Bush). Then we can go ahead and air out in the open exactly how focked up all this sh!t was and establish that we can never, ever do it again.

 

Made some sense to me

[IGotWorms 4,063]

This one's going to hurt Henry Pilot and dumbeski:

 

 

WASHINGTON — Months before the operation that killed Osama bin Laden in 2011, the Central Intelligence Agency secretly prepared a public ­relations

plan that would stress that information gathered from its disputed interrogation program had played a critical role in the hunt. Starting the day after the raid, agency officials in classified briefings made that point to Congress.

But in page after page of previously classified evidence, the Senate Intelligence Committee report on C.I.A. torture, released Tuesday, rejects the notion that torturing detainees contributed to finding Bin Laden — a conclusion that was also strongly implied in “Zero Dark Thirty,” the popular 2012 movie about the hunt for the Qaeda leader.

“The vast majority of the intelligence” about the Qaeda courier who led the agency to Bin Laden “was originally acquired from sources unrelated to the C.I.A.’s detention and interrogation program, and the most accurate information acquired from a C.I.A. detainee was provided prior to the C.I.A. subjecting the detainee to the C.I.A.’s enhanced interrogation techniques,” the Senate report said. It added that most of “the documents, statements and testimony” from the C.I.A. regarding a connection between the torture of detainees and the Bin Laden hunt were “inaccurate and incongruent with C.I.A. records.”

 

 

[Voltaire 5,489]

I loathe the Bush team and would enjoy see them all rotting in prison where they deserve to be.

 

But I think Obumer did the right thing in not going there. The US has a tradition of peaceful handing over of power from one party to the other: presidents who hate their successors but respect the results of the election and step down and hand over power anyways.

 

Washington could have been president for life, actually could have been king but refused to entertain the idea, he stepped down after two terms. Transitioning to Adams for him would have been easy though. But then Adams hated Jefferson and they were bitter rivals (although happily became friends in later life) but still relinquished the presidency to him. It must have been a bitter pill, but doing so secured the act of succession for every transition since then. For Obummer to break that tradition, even for a predecessor as richly deserving a sh*tbag as Bush and his crew were, that would have really torn the country up.

 

So I guess it's for the best to let things slide. But now we have to deal with the fallout of not prosecuting anybody for war crimes. I'm not convinced America's tradition of peaceful handover of power will be a good selling point with Islamic sh*tbags pissed at Bush almost a sliver as much as I am.

 

As or the report, it needs to be aired out. You can't bury or deny what happened. Look at how stupid the Japanese government looks whenever they deny slave labor or torture/raping/murder of civilians during WWII. Better to be like Germany and acknowledge your crimes. Fortunatly, what Team Bushtard did doesn't compare to the atrocities of Japan or Germany, but it doesn't reflect who we are as a people or what we believe in. But it's a permanent stain nonetheless and they'll always hate us for it.

[drobeski 3,061]

Is this the thread where we pretend to be righteous and give a fock about radical islamists ?

This is where killing them with drones is more politically correct and nicer than a little hazing ?

This is were we display empathy for sicko animals, hate on our military and country and continue to cry about bush ?

Why lookey here it is, and its the two usual suspects

 

Woot

[Voltaire 5,489]

Is this the thread where we pretend to be righteous and give a fock about radical islamists ?

This is where killing them with drones is more politically correct and nicer than a little hazing ?

This is were we display empathy for sicko animals, hate on our military and country and continue to cry about bush ?

Why lookey here it is, and its the two usual suspects

 

Woot

No. Yes. No. No. Yes.

[drobeski 3,061]

Feintsien and Obama should be charged with treason for releasing the report.

There is absolutely no reason to release this report other to aid the enemy, put American lives in danger and get the america hating moonbats like worma foaming at the mouth with fake outrage.

[drobeski 3,061]

http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/truth-about-interrogation_820800.html

[NorthernVike 2,095]

So let me get this straight. Waterboarding a pos terrorist is worse than beheading a person. Talk about fake outrage.

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

So let me get this straight. Waterboarding a pos terrorist is worse than beheading a person. Talk about fake outrage.

 

No, you don't have that straight at all.

[Voltaire 5,489]

Feintsien and Obama should be charged with treason for releasing the report.

There is absolutely no reason to release this report other to aid the enemy, put American lives in danger and get the america hating moonbats like worma foaming at the mouth with fake outrage.

For one thing, torturing their POWs invites them to put our POWs at risk and since they're ten times more evil than we are, they inflict ten times more suffering. Everybody overseas is more unsafe now thanks to the Bushtards.

 

For another, any time the US opens it's mouth about human rights abuses, we can get this thrown back in our faces. This, for example is the sort of play it gets in the Chinese version of Fox news, I suspect it gets the same play in Russia, Iran and other focktarded countries. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014-12/10/content_19060191.htm

 

One of the best ways to prevent any future attacks is to not give them a reason to get pissed off the first place. Sometimes it can't be helped, this was a deliberate insult they'll feel personally. These focksticks never forget anything or forgive any grudge. Thanks to the Bushtard, they have a legitimate gripe. Now, they'll be talking about Nekked Twister either forever and ever or until they smarten up, whichever comes first.

 

Meanwhile, the FBI uses legal means all the time to extract information from non-cooperative mafiosos and whatever else. There's no need for these shenanigans anyways. The CIA never knew WTF they were doing.

 

I'm not going to get into whether the tactics even worked or not on actionable intelligence even resulted out of this because there's conflicting reports and without top secret security clearance, I don't have any more knowledge than anybody else. Even people who do have it wouldn't be authorized to speak candidly anyways.

[Voltaire 5,489]

So let me get this straight. Waterboarding a pos terrorist is worse than beheading a person. Talk about fake outrage.

 

No. Not even close. But even though you failed, at least you made an effort to get it straight.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Is this the thread where we pretend to be righteous and give a fock about radical islamists ?

This is where killing them with drones is more politically correct and nicer than a little hazing ?

This is were we display empathy for sicko animals, hate on our military and country and continue to cry about bush ?

Why lookey here it is, and its the two usual suspects

 

Woot

 

So I take it you condone torture?

Its not empathy for terrorists...its the belief that, as nation, we are better than that.

Not shocking that the biggest righty hack takes this stance rather than admit torturing people was wrong and has been shown that it did not give the most accurate information.

[Reality 3,121]

Sen. Bob Kerrey: Partisan torture report fails America

 

 

 

 

I regret having to write a piece that is critical of the Democratic members of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Most of them are former colleagues and friends. I hope they will remain friends after reading this.

 

For eight years I served on this committee. I know how difficult and important the work of providing tough and fair oversight of our nation's$50 billion top-secret intelligence network.

I will wait until I have fully read and considered Tuesday's report to enter the debate over whether the CIA handled interrogation of detainees in an appropriate manner. Thanks to the 2005 and 2006 efforts of Senator John McCain I do not have to wait to be certain our interrogation policies and procedures are aligned with our core values.

I also do not have to wait to know we are fighting a war that is different than any in our country's past. The enemy does not have an easy to identify and analyze military. In the war against global jihadism, human intelligence and interrogation have become more important, and I worry that the partisan nature of this report could make this kind of collection more difficult.

I do not need to read the report to know that the Democratic staff alone wrote it. The Republicans checked out early when they determined that their counterparts started out with the premise that the CIA was guilty and then worked to prove it.

When Congress created the intelligence committees in the 1970's, the purpose was for people's representatives to stand above the fray and render balanced judgments about this most sensitive aspect of national security. This committee departed from that high road and slipped into the same partisan mode that marks most of what happens on Capitol Hill these days.

I have participated in two extensive investigations into intelligence failures, once whenAldrich Ames was discovered to be spying for Russia after he had done substantial damage to our human intelligence collection capability and another following the 9/11 attacks. In both cases we were very critical of the practices of the intelligence agencies. In both cases we avoided partisan pressure to blame the opposing party. In both cases Congress made statutory changes and the agencies changed their policies. It didn't make things perfect, but it did make them better.

In both of these efforts the committee staff examined documents and interviewed all of the individuals involved. The Senate's Intelligence Committee staff chose to interview no one. Their rationale - that some officers were under investigation and could not be made available – is not persuasive. Most officers were never under investigation and for those who were, the process ended by 2012.

Fairness should dictate that the examination of documents alone do not eliminate the need for interviews conducted by the investigators. Isolated emails, memos and transcripts can look much different when there is no context or perspective provided by those who sent, received or recorded them.

It is important for all of us to remember how unprepared we were for the attacks of September 11, 2001 and how unprepared we were to do the things necessary to keep the country from being attacked again. There was no operating manual to guide the choices and decisions made by the men and women in charge of protecting us. I will continue to read the report to learn of the mistakes we apparently made. I do not need to read the report in full to know this: We have not been attacked since and for that I am very grateful.

It is important for all of us to not let Congress dodge responsibility. Congressional oversight of intelligence is notoriously weak. The 9/11 Commission recommended a number of changes in the authorities of Congressional committees but the proposal – advanced by Senator McCain – did not come close to gathering a majority of votes in either the Senate or the House.

The worse consequence of a partisan report can be seen in this disturbing fact: It contains no recommendations. This is perhaps the most significant missed opportunity, because no one would claim the program was perfect or without its problems. But equally, no one with real experience would claim it was the completely ineffective and superfluous effort this report alleges.

Our intelligence personnel – who are once again on the front lines fighting the Islamic State – need recommended guidance from their board of governors: The U.S. Congress. Remarkably this report contains none. I hope – for the sake of our security and our values – Congress will follow the leadership of Senator McCain and give them this guidance.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/12/09/torture-cia-senate-intelligence-report-911-column/20088647/

[drobeski 3,061]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/12/09/torture-cia-senate-intelligence-report-911-column/20088647/

[HenryHill9323 65]

This isn't a Senate report, it is a report written by Dem hacks on the Senate Intel committee. Purely partisan.

 

One last parting shot at a guy who hasn't been in office for 6 years, but it will score some political points with their mouthbreathing, lemming base.

[Mike Honcho 5,432]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/12/09/torture-cia-senate-intelligence-report-911-column/20088647/

 

Awesome, an analysis from someone who didn't read the report and has been out of the senate for 14 years, very informative.

[KSB2424 3,173]

I'm going to assume what was done "wrong", will be fixed. However I simply can't muster but so much care about the well being of muslim terrorists. On a scale of things I care about, the well being of terrorists ranks inbetween Bowling and the Kardashians.

[drobeski 3,061]

 

So I take it you condone torture?

Its not empathy for terrorists...its the belief that, as nation, we are better than that.

Not shocking that the biggest righty hack takes this stance rather than admit torturing people was wrong and has been shown that it did not give the most accurate information.

I don't consider them people.

HTH

[Voltaire 5,489]

I'm going to assume what was done "wrong", will be fixed. However I simply can't muster but so much care about the well being of muslim terrorists. On a scale of things I care about, the well being of terrorists ranks inbetween Bowling and the Kardashians.

I don't care about the well being of terrorists either but what was done wrong can't be fixed. We've no credibility when we talk of human rights around the world with China, Russia, etc, we've put any POWs they capture at greater danger of being tortured themselves, and we've handed them a legitimate reason to be pissed at us -in addition to whatever BS reasons they were using before.

[HenryHill9323 65]

The DOJ investigated all this and didn't charge anyone with anything.

 

If Eric The Hack couldn't find anything to prosecute you know this Dem report is nothing but a hatchet job on the CIA.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Wow I'm actually a little shocked at the righty response to this.

 

We're pretty much focked as a country if we can't all agree that torture isn't something we Americans should be doing.

 

And for what? Terrorists who we're fighting half the world away? Jesus we couldn't even wait for an actual invasion before tossing our fundamental decency out the window.

 

Sad. Shame on all of you, and I mean that

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

This one's going to hurt Henry Pilot and dumbeski:

 

 

 

) Conclusion 1(The CIA's use ofenhanced interrogation techniques was noteffective)

(U) This updated conclusion asserts that the "CIA's use ofenhanced interrogation

techniques was not an effective means ofacquiring intelligence orgaining cooperation from

detainees."The Study attempts to validate this conclusion by relying upon four faulty

premises. The first faulty premiseis that "seven of the 39 CIA detainees known to have been

subjected tothe CIA s enhanced interrogation techniques produced no intelligence while in CIA

custody."'^ Iftrue, that means that 82 percent of detainees subjected to enhanced interrogation

techniques produced some intelligence while inCIA custody, which is better than the 57.5

percent effectiveness rate ofdetainees not subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.

Regardless, these statistics do not provide any real insight on the qualitative value ofthe

intelligence information obtained. The true test of effectiveness is the value of w^'hat was

obtained—not how much or how little was obtained.

(U) We have already discussed the second faulty premise, which involves a rhetorical

appeal to ignorance based on the fact that at least seven detainees were subjected toenhanced

interrogation techniques almost immediately after coming into the CIA's custody. Such

speculation is not helpful in assessing whether the enhanced interrogation techniques were

effective.

(U) The third faulty premise ofthis ineffective techniques conclusion focuses on the fact

that "multiple" detainees subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques "fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligence."^® Our documentary review also found that "multiple" detainees'

who were not subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques also provided fabricated

information to theirinterrogators. The only real inference that canbe drawn from these facts is

that detainees fabricated information regardless ofwhether they were subjected toenhanced

interrogation.

(U) The final faulty premise used in support of this "effectiveness" conclusion was that

"CIA officers regularly called into question whether the CIA's enhanced inteiTogation

techniques were effective, assessing that the use ofthe techniques failed toelicit detainee

cooperation or produce accurate intelligence."^' While theopinions of these unidentified CIA

officers may happen to coincide with the Study'sfirst conclusion, there were at least three other

CIA officials who held the opposite view—Directors Tenet, Goss, and Hayden.

[Voltaire 5,489]

Wow I'm actually a little shocked at the righty response to this.

We're pretty much focked as a country if we can't all agree that torture isn't something we Americans should be doing.

And for what? Terrorists who we're fighting half the world away? Jesus we couldn't even wait for an actual invasion before tossing our fundamental decency out the window.

Sad. Shame on all of you, and I mean that

I've got a different spin than you and Shonuff. In and of themselves, I don't care about these guys being tortured any more than RP or drobeski do. At the individual level, fock them.

 

It's much bigger than this, for reasons I've outlined at least twice. The blowback we get for this is enormous.

[drobeski 3,061]

I've got a different spin than you and Shonuff. In and of themselves, I don't care about these guys being tortured any more than RP or drobeski do. At the individual level, fock them.

 

It's much bigger than this, for reasons I've outlined at least twice. The blowback we get for this is enormous.

then why release it ?

[drobeski 3,061]

Hey lefties, pretend your terrorist buddies are fetuses, maybe you'll feel better about their inhumane treatment.

[HenryHill9323 65]

I've got a different spin than you and Shonuff. In and of themselves, I don't care about these guys being tortured any more than RP or drobeski do. At the individual level, fock them.

 

It's much bigger than this, for reasons I've outlined at least twice. The blowback we get for this is enormous.

1. They hate us simply because we exist.

 

2. They behead any American they get their hands on. This isn't anything new.

 

3. Any "blowback" will be because this "report" was released. It will just give them something new to chant while the do what they have always done.

 

4. This "report" is nothing but a lefty hatchet job on Bush and our intel community.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I've got a different spin than you and Shonuff. In and of themselves, I don't care about these guys being tortured any more than RP or drobeski do. At the individual level, fock them.

 

It's much bigger than this, for reasons I've outlined at least twice. The blowback we get for this is enormous.

 

I think we should be above that type of behavior and it brings bad things upon us and our interests when we stoop to that level.

So, on that I agree with you.

And if it was a good method for gathering intel, Id be more inclined to not care about guys being tortured.

But to do so just out of vengeance basically (knowing the intel we get is pretty weak)...I think we should be above that too.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Hey lefties, pretend your terrorist buddies are fetuses, maybe you'll feel better about their inhumane treatment.

 

This is dumb...even for you.

And love the narrative going on...we can't refute the findings, so we will just call it partisan and hope it all goes away.

Those I call hacks are certainly earning that name in this thread yet again.

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

I think we should be above that type of behavior and it brings bad things upon us and our interests when we stoop to that level.

So, on that I agree with you.

And if it was a good method for gathering intel, Id be more inclined to not care about guys being tortured.

But to do so just out of vengeance basically (knowing the intel we get is pretty weak)...I think we should be above that too.

Yeah, not a good method of gathering intel......

 

 

[HenryHill9323 65]

 

This is dumb...even for you.

And love the narrative going on...we can't refute the findings, so we will just call it partisan and hope it all goes away.

Those I call hacks are certainly earning that name in this thread yet again.

 

 

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/study2014/sscistudy3.pdf

[drobeski 3,061]

Why release the report ? Any logical answers out there ?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Why release the report ? Any logical answers out there ?

 

Probably to take heat off themselves for other things. The reason many things get done...political at the time.

And if they don't release it...they get bashed later for holding on to something like this.

[Voltaire 5,489]

then why release it ?

Because it's best to fess up to what we've done to start rebuilding credibility. Hopefully it won't happen again as it would take a seriously anal president to override Obummer's executive action on this.

 

Since nobody will get prosecuted for this, the terrorists and international observers won't be impressed but admitting what we'd done was the best we can do given the circumstances.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Why release the report ? Any logical answers out there ?

 

 

Deflect from Gruber testifying in front of Congress. It distracts the stupid public.

[HenryHill9323 65]

Because it's best to fess up to what we've done to start rebuilding credibility. Hopefully it won't happen again as it would take a seriously anal president to override Obummer's executive action on this.

 

Since nobody will get prosecuted for this, the terrorists and international observers won't be impressed but admitting what we'd done was the best we can do given the circumstances.

Why no prosecutions? if this was so bad shouldn't someone be held accountable?

[drobeski 3,061]

So putting our service members lives in even more danger is not as important as making a political statement.

That would only make sense to someone who hates the military.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So putting our service members lives in even more danger is not as important as making a political statement.

That would only make sense to someone who hates the military.

 

Seems some of you think our use of torture did nothing to put them in danger anyway...so why all of a sudden does this report do so?

Oh, and everyone already knew we used torture techniques...so how does a report on it put them in more danger?

 

Ahh, I see, its so you can claim the dems putting this report out hate the military...typical hack schtick.

[Voltaire 5,489]

1. They hate us simply because we exist.

 

2. They behead any American they get their hands on. This isn't anything new.

 

3. Any "blowback" will be because this "report" was released. It will just give them something new to chant while the do what they have always done.

 

4. This "report" is nothing but a lefty hatchet job on Bush and our intel community.

Iran released our hostages. Saddam's army treated US POWs well. Now, Al Qaeda turned on us after the Gulf War. They killed Americans in their terrorist strikes, now maybe I'm wrong, but I don't rightly recall them ever taking hostages so as to have any to behead before Nekked Twister. This beheading stuff is -I think- of more recent vintage.

 

And they didn't need the report to know what happened, they already knew. This is more to clear the air, admit culpability. Try to salvage what's left of our credibility by admitting we focked up, making it harder for the next batch of Bushtards to think twice about doing it again without a massive backlash. It's better to air the laundry than cover it up. It's not like we were fooling anybody.

 

As for Bush. He richly deserves being hung out to dry for this. What a human pile of excrament he is.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ill defer to this guy...

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1a15e343-66b0-473f-b0c1-a58f984db996

 

Wonder how much would have been different if the machine hadn't torn him apart in the primaries.