GREG HARDY SUSPENDED 10 GAMES

[KSB2424 3,173]

Bottom line, there is zero consistency with Goodell. He tries to be judge jury and executioner. He's a meglamaniac.

 

He's the fantasy football commish who changes rules mid season because he "thinks" he knows best.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

And if the Cowboys suspended Hardy you'd have a good point. But they didn't, the governing body did.

 

It'd be like the FCC or the Justice Dept. telling ESPN they have to suspend that chick. That to would've out of bounds imo.

 

If the FCC shared in the profits you would have a point. The NFL is one big organization

[Sho Nuff 720]

The complaints about Goodell are always funny.

 

And quit acting as if this guy was nit cinvicted of a crime. He was...then on appeal the victim wouldn't show up and there are reports that she had reached a settlement.

[KSB2424 3,173]

If the FCC shared in the profits you would have a point. The NFL is one big organization

My point is that your analogy sucks

[KSB2424 3,173]

The complaints about Goodell are always funny.

 

And quit acting as if this guy was nit cinvicted of a crime. He was...then on appeal the victim wouldn't show up and there are reports that she had reached a settlement.

After the Rice case didn't Goodell make a rule where domestic violence is a six game suspension?

 

But if you're exonerated it's 10 game now?

 

Sort of bass ackwards no?

 

I mean even if Roger wanted to totally disregard the justice system his own rule states six games.

 

Dude just makes it up as he goes...

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

My point is that your analogy sucks

 

 

Sorry you can't understand it. But your analogy about the FCC is wrong, because it's not a part of what it regulates. The NFL and the Cowboys are of the same entity. You do know that the NFL owners pick the commissioner? You do know that, right? Oh no, you don't. I'll write slower next time.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Sorry you can't understand it. But your analogy about the FCC is wrong, because it's not a part of what it regulates. The NFL and the Cowboys are of the same entity. You do know that the NFL owners pick the commissioner? You do know that, right? Oh no, you don't. I'll write slower next time.

I piggy backed on your illogical and non analogous analogy. ESPN and that chick isn't in the same ballpark for a host of reasons. HTH

[KSB2424 3,173]

Roger Goodell rule:

 

If convicted of domestic violence it's a 6 game suspension.

 

If exonerated, you get 10.

 

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

I piggy backed on your illogical and non analogous analogy. ESPN and that chick isn't in the same ballpark for a host of reasons. HTH

What, that an employee can be suspended for behavior outside the workplace? Spot on simpleton. Nice try on the deflection though. It's clear you tried to make a flawed analogy with the FCC nonsense.

[KSB2424 3,173]

What, that an employee can be suspended for behavior outside the workplace? Spot on simpleton

Not when things are collectively bargained, there is a union, and the "employer" is supposedly not for profit.

 

Or do you think all businesses and markets are the EXACT same?

 

Exactly who is the simpleton here?

[Sho Nuff 720]

After the Rice case didn't Goodell make a rule where domestic violence is a six game suspension?

 

But if you're exonerated it's 10 game now?

 

Sort of bass ackwards no?

 

I mean even if Roger wanted to totally disregard the justice system his own rule states six games.

 

Dude just makes it up as he goes...

That you or anyone thinks Goodell just does this stuff all on his own is laughable.

[KSB2424 3,173]

That you or anyone thinks Goodell just does this stuff all on his own is laughable.

Did or did not Roger lead the charge and implement a rule that domestic violence is now a 6 game suspension?

 

I'll save you the keystrokes. Yes.

 

So how in the world does a player, who was exonerated by the courts, get almost double that sentence? A sentence Roger himself implemented?

 

He makes it up as he goes. There is no consistency. It's as plain as day.

 

I could give a rats ass about Hardy. I don't like meglamaniac's in positions of powers even less.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Did or did not Roger lead the charge and implement a rule that domestic violence is now a 6 game suspension?

He did...in consultation with iwners and even the Union im sure.

And i have not read the full rule or what leeway it gives him to give more if needed.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Not when things are collectively bargained, there is a union, and the "employer" is supposedly not for profit.

 

Or do you think all businesses and markets are the EXACT same?

 

Exactly who is the simpleton here?

 

Your stupidity is exhausting. I quit.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Your stupidity is exhausting. I quit.

It's stupid to think a commissioner going against his own rule, when the player didn't do anything new but rather was exonerated, is weird?

 

Yeah, okay. That's a cop out that you have nothing else.

 

It's prolly best you quit, first smart thing you've done yet.

[Sho Nuff 720]

A baseline suspension of six games without pay for violations involving assault, battery, domestic violence, dating violence, child abuse, other forms of family violence, or sexual assault, with consideration given to possible mitigating or aggravating circumstances.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441758/article/nfl-owners-endorse-new-personal-conduct-policy

 

6 is the baseline...not a max.

 

Endorsed by owners, union...and had plenty of people coming up with the policy.

Would guess he consulted plenty to levy this suspension to.

[KSB2424 3,173]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000441758/article/nfl-owners-endorse-new-personal-conduct-policy

 

6 is the baseline...not a max.

 

Endorsed by owners, union...and had plenty of people coming up with the policy.

Would guess he consulted plenty to levy this suspension to.

So being exonerated is a "negative" consideration? Being exonerated makes it go above the norm?

 

If being exonerated in the courts goes above the norm, what is the norm?

 

It's illogical. It's inconsistent. Which is par for the course.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So being exonerated is a "negative" consideration? Being exonerated makes it go above the norm?

 

If being exonerated in the courts goes above the norm, what is the norm?

 

It's illogical. It's inconsistent. Which is par for the course.

That you think exonerated in that manner was somehow positive. ..sure

But Goodell, like most, can see the chick took a settlement after a conviction and thats what did it.

[KSB2424 3,173]

That you think exonerated in that manner was somehow positive. ..sure

But Goodell, like most, can see the chick took a settlement after a conviction and thats what did it.

That ASSUMPTION may be true. I don't know, I wasn't there. Which is why we have a legal system.

 

Most people also assumed those Duke Lacrosse guys raped that girl too.

 

I'm simply pointing out that if anything being exonerated by the courts is a reason to give Hardy the minimum punishment (six games) if anything at all due to the fact he's already sat out a season.

 

Giving him almost double the norm after exoneration is simply crazy.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That ASSUMPTION may be true. I don't know, I wasn't there. Which is why we have a legal system.

 

Most people also assumed those Duke Lacrosse guys raped that girl too.

 

I'm simply pointing out that if anything being exonerated by the courts is a reason to give Hardy the minimum punishment (six games) if anything at all due to the fact he's already sat out a season.

 

Giving him almost double the norm after exoneration is simply crazy.

 

The guy was convicted.

The witness then didn't show up for the appeal and it was dismissed.

There is credible evidence (apparently...didn't care enough to read all of what they have) that she took a settlement.

 

Im simply pointing out that the NFL is not required to abide by what the courts did.

That he sat out on the exempt list means little to nothing as far as suspension is concerned (he was being paid).

[KSB2424 3,173]

Gold digger gets in fight with rich athlete. Gold digger baits athlete. Gold digger in a heated argument says she'll call 911 and get athlete in trouble. Gold digger says, I know you got guns, I know you're famous, I'll get you!@#! Gold digger does. Gold digger demands payday. Athlete says "Fock you crazy woman" I'll see you in court. Single District Judge buys gold diggers story. Which is why per NC law an appeal can be made for a jury trial. Gold digger says "what's up now?" Athlete says "Fock you win, how much? I'm over this shiit"

 

That stuff happens.

 

But you and Roger were there so ya'll know for sure.

[cbfalcon 827]

Where are you from?

Why do you ask?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Gold digger gets in fight with rich athlete. Gold digger baits athlete. Gold digger in a heated argument says she'll call 911 and get athlete in trouble. Gold digger says, I know you got guns I'll get you!@#! Gold digger does. Gold digger demands payday. Athlete says "Fock you crazy woman" I'll see you in court. Single District Judge buys gold diggers story. Which is why per NC law an appeal can be made for a jury trial. Gold digger says "what's up now?" Athlete says "Fock you win, how much? I'm over this shiit"

 

That happens.

Talk about baseless speculation.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Talk about baseless speculation.

Can I not be allowed to assume stuff too? Or is disregarding the criminal justice system and making personal assumptions only allowed for sho nuff and Roget Goodell?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I can't read all of it, but I saw KSB had the last post. Let me guess - he thinks Hardy got a raw deal and should not be suspended.

 

How did I do?

[KSB2424 3,173]

Talk about baseless speculation.

Baseless? Not so sure.

 

On your assumption she took money to walk away. If she was truly abused she could have stuck Hardy to the wall AND wrote a book or did interviews about it to make money.

 

Or if she was lying her only out was a payoff. Because a lie doesn't last forever.

 

Thankfully the court system usually weeds that out. Oh wait, courts don't matter.

[jerryskids 7,085]

Greg Hardy is a rich dude with a lot of resources. Same thing happens to some scrub and that guy is doing time. Justice works differently for the rich.

 

If Greg Hardy was some factory worker from Gary, dude is in prison. He's not....he's suspended with an opportunity to make tens of millions.....if he can stay out of trouble. Really a pretty decent deal.

 

I agree for the most part, but that isn't my point. My point is that Goodell is in a no-win situation making these subjective calls. IMO it is a totally defensible position to have the suspensions be done if the player is found not guilty. Hell, I'd go to the NFLPA and ask them to come ask for it in defense of the players, and I would acquiesce, and everyone wins.

[Vikings4ever 568]

That he sat out on the exempt list means little to nothing as far as suspension is concerned (he was being paid).

Serious question: Why shouldn't any player fight going on that list now?

 

There's upside for the team and the NFL (out of sight, out of mind), but what's the upside for the player? And don't say getting paid for doing nothing. Yes, they're getting paid, but they lose out on incentives, and every game they play is working toward their next contract. Sitting out games means losing out on future earnings.

 

With the original understanding, players would sit out until their legal issues were cleared up, any missed games would be taken into account when punishment was announced, and they'd face a big fine (making those missed games a retroactive suspension). Like I posted earlier, Hardy is going to miss 25 games, in the prime of his career, for an incident in which the charges were dropped.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Can I not be allowed to assume stuff too? Or is disregarding the criminal justice system and making personal assumptions only allowed for sho nuff and Roget Goodell?

I didn't disregard his conviction or that the case was dismissed when the witness did not show up for the appeal.

[cbfalcon 827]

As a Cowboy fan...

 

It's ridiculous that Goodell can punish people in accordance with new policies for crimes they committed before the new rules were in place. It would be like him making a rule today that crotch grabbing to celebrate a TD will now result in a 6 game suspension or more, and tomorrow announcing Marshawn Lynch is suspended for 10 games next season for his actions last season.

 

As for KSB saying Hardy was exonerated.... Every case is different and I am fine with the league treating him as though he was convicted. Most of the time it's best to abide by the courts decision, but in this case it was pretty obvious what happened.

 

But the flip side is AP. Charges were dropped there and Goodell should have reinstated Peterson immediately.

 

Why didn't he? It's obvious. Goodell's bit is to go against the player and give the maximum punishment possible in every single case. Why? Because he is weak minded, and the way the media beat him up over the Ray Rice tape for being too lenient erased his ability to care about right or wrong. He only cares about never being criticized for being soft again.

 

That's why AP missed a year and most of free agency for misdemeanor spanking his child.

 

That's why Greg Hardy has to miss 26 games for a crime that he committed back when it resulted in zero games missed, simply because the commissioner later changed the crime to a 6 game suspension.

 

That's why Josh Gordon will miss an entire season of football because in the past he had what is a now legal amount of THC in his system...and because he had a drink after his team's season ended, when if he'd understood properly he would have realized he isn't supposed to have a drink until all of the team's seasons end.

 

It's why Ray Rice was suspended 2 games for a crime...and then later he was suspended more games for the same crime.

 

Goodell has no ethics, no character, no care about right or wrong. He is motivated by a paycheck and media perception and nothing else.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Baseless? Not so sure.

 

On your assumption she took money to walk away. If she was truly abused she could have stuck Hardy to the wall AND wrote a book or did interviews about it to make money.

 

Or if she was lying her only out was a payoff. Because a lie doesn't last forever.

 

Thankfully the court system usually weeds that out. Oh wait, courts don't matter.

 

On my assumption that was based on multiple articles I read where she received a settlement and claims that there was evidence to support such things.

 

Courts didn't seem to matter to you when they convicted the guy...only when she didn't show up for the appeal and it was dismissed.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Serious question: Why shouldn't any player fight going on that list now?

 

There's upside for the team and the NFL (out of sight, out of mind), but what's the upside for the player? And don't say getting paid for doing nothing. Yes, they're getting paid, but they lose out on incentives, and every game they play is working toward their next contract. Sitting out games means losing out on future earnings.

 

With the original understanding, players would sit out until their legal issues were cleared up, any missed games would be taken into account when punishment was announced, and they'd face a big fine (making those missed games a retroactive suspension). Like I posted earlier, Hardy is going to miss 25 games, in the prime of his career, for an incident in which the charges were dropped.

 

They should fight it...though, I think the new policy also dictated such things while the legal process plays out.

 

Whose original understanding? Other than Peterson claiming that is what was agreed upon.

[KSB2424 3,173]

 

On my assumption that was based on multiple articles I read where she received a settlement and claims that there was evidence to support such things.

 

Courts didn't seem to matter to you when they convicted the guy...only when she didn't show up for the appeal and it was dismissed.

Gold Diggers go for cash over justice.

 

What part of Gold Diggers you not understand?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Gold Diggers go for cash over justice.

 

What part of Gold Diggers you not understand?

 

The part where you claim it was just about that with zero evidence and make assumptions of his innocence.

Goodell and many others didn't buy it.

Sorry that it bothers you so much.

[Vikings4ever 568]

 

They should fight it...though, I think the new policy also dictated such things while the legal process plays out.

 

Whose original understanding? Other than Peterson claiming that is what was agreed upon.

There was also the Troy Vincent conversation. And, really, that's the only thing that makes any sense.

 

Let's be honest. If Peterson fights the charges, there's a good chance he acquitted. Between the fact that the first grand jury failed to indict, his fame, and his money, it'd be very hard to get a conviction. But, instead, he gets an expedited court date (which pretty much never favors the defendant), and ultimately pleads out so he can get on the field again that year.

 

What happens instead? Goodell keeps him on the exempt list long enough that the new policy of a 6 game suspension ends his season. Goodell didn't want AD back on the field during the season, and when the gears of justice didn't turn as slowly as he anticipated, he finagled things so that he got his way.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Goodell didn't buy it.

 

So you agree. Roger tries go be judge, jury and executioner based not on the courts but what he assumes. And is widely inconsistent in doing so.

 

Killer skill set for a person in a power position. :sarcasm:

[KSB2424 3,173]

As a Cowboy fan...

 

It's ridiculous that Goodell can punish people in accordance with new policies for crimes they committed before the new rules were in place. It would be like him making a rule today that crotch grabbing to celebrate a TD will now result in a 6 game suspension or more, and tomorrow announcing Marshawn Lynch is suspended for 10 games next season for his actions last season.

 

As for KSB saying Hardy was exonerated.... Every case is different and I am fine with the league treating him as though he was convicted. Most of the time it's best to abide by the courts decision, but in this case it was pretty obvious what happened.

 

But the flip side is AP. Charges were dropped there and Goodell should have reinstated Peterson immediately.

 

Why didn't he? It's obvious. Goodell's bit is to go against the player and give the maximum punishment possible in every single case. Why? Because he is weak minded, and the way the media beat him up over the Ray Rice tape for being too lenient erased his ability to care about right or wrong. He only cares about never being criticized for being soft again.

 

That's why AP missed a year and most of free agency for misdemeanor spanking his child.

 

That's why Greg Hardy has to miss 26 games for a crime that he committed back when it resulted in zero games missed, simply because the commissioner later changed the crime to a 6 game suspension.

 

That's why Josh Gordon will miss an entire season of football because in the past he had what is a now legal amount of THC in his system...and because he had a drink after his team's season ended, when if he'd understood properly he would have realized he isn't supposed to have a drink until all of the team's seasons end.

 

It's why Ray Rice was suspended 2 games for a crime...and then later he was suspended more games for the same crime.

 

Goodell has no ethics, no character, no care about right or wrong. He is motivated by a paycheck and media perception and nothing else.

Nobody is ignoring this post btw, it simply makes to much sense.

 

The last sentence is figuratively and literally, the bottom line.

[Magnificent Bastard 192]

Why do you ask?

 

It's an insight to what type of cowboy fan you are. They are a varied and interesting group.

[Sho Nuff 720]

So you agree. Roger tries go be judge, jury and executioner based not on the courts but what he assumes. And is widely inconsistent in doing so.

 

Killer skill set for a person in a power position. :sarcasm:

 

No...he works with a whole host of advisors and has worked with the union and others on this policy.

He has the authority through the policy to levy such a suspension.

Wildly inconsistent...maybe. I think he looks at each case rather than just thinking every case is exactly the same.

 

Again...anything that comes close to acting as if he does all this on his own is just foolish.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Nobody is ignoring this post btw, it simply makes to much sense.

 

The last sentence is figuratively and literally, the bottom line.

 

he is motivated by the shield and the money that the owners paid him..and they pay him to do as he does now and take the heat and criticism so they don't have to.