Obama's Best Week Ever

[NewbieJr 541]

Since he can't be reelected, Obama could be just going through the motions till he's done. Instead, he had a week that would make Washington, Lincoln,and Clinton jealous.

 

Heakthcare, same sex marriage, trade, and progress with the confederate flag. Unreal. You go, sir.

 

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7675162

[SUXBNME 1,583]

[NewbieJr 541]

I knew you'd hate it.

[SUXBNME 1,583]

 

I knew you'd hate it.

[The Moz 71]

I thought you were going to say you finally pulled your head out of his ass.

[NewbieJr 541]

I thought you were going to say you finally pulled your head out of his ass.

no comment on the article or the week he had? Shocking. Lol

[SUXBNME 1,583]

no comment on the article or the week he had? Shocking. Lol

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

I don't think the trade deal was so hot, don't care much about gay marriage, but good for them, they are entitled to the same rights as everyone else. Confederate flag should never have been flown to begin with, but that's not his fight. Wall Street and the banks are still bending this country over, and that is going to be a negative against his legacy. He's doing his best with Isis and terrorism, but are we ever going to completely solve that?

[Voltaire 5,388]

It has been a good week. I noted that after the trade deal and the Obummercare ruling, but it kept getting better for him. Then the gay marriage thing, one pundit called it the "Roe v. Wade of gay rights" and although I hadn't thought of it like that, it may well be.

[SUXBNME 1,583]

It has been a good week. I noted that after the trade deal and the Obummercare ruling, but it kept getting better for him. Then the gay marriage thing, one pundit called it the "Roe v. Wade of gay special rights" and although I hadn't thought of it like that, it may well be.

fixed

[IGotWorms 4,060]

I wouldn't include the confederate flag thing. Is that really considered a victory for the administration?

[SUXBNME 1,583]

I wouldn't include the confederate flag thing. Is that really considered a victory for the administration?

Apparently, it depends on who you ask

[NewbieJr 541]

I wouldn't include the confederate flag thing. Is that really considered a victory for the administration?

no, not really. But it's a victory for the country and one im sure Obama is thrilled about.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

no, not really. But it's a victory for the country and one im sure Obama is thrilled about.

Pretty sure IGW means it's a victory for for the left-wing fascists like yourself. The rest of the country is a bit concerned about the next social target.

[Voltaire 5,388]

Pretty sure IGW means it's a victory for for the left-wing fascists like yourself. The rest of the country is a bit concerned about the next social target.

I wonder if an end point exists where it's impossible to come up with new things to whine about. We'll probably all be bubble wrapped in a sterilized controlled atmosphere without sports or playground equipment, and still be complaining that the Bingo markers are giving us carpal tunnel and kitchen knives are too sharp.

[NewbieJr 541]

Pretty sure IGW means it's a victory for for the left-wing fascists like yourself. The rest of the country is a bit concerned about the next social target.

The flag is a symbol of a part of the country that fought to keep slavery. Was it all that the confederate effort was about? No. But there's no denying it was a part of it., Ant symbol that is insulting to such a huge portion of the citizens of this country, has no place in any public place. If ignorant trailer trash want to fly it, then it's a free country and they can do so. The fact that people are finally opening their eyes to this is a huge victory for the country. Left, right, or otherwise.

[Voltaire 5,388]

I don't know what it's like to have Confederate ancestors. The way Lynyrd Skynyrd and Bo and Luke Duke among others displayed the flag was cool. They clearly had no racial animosity in them and took pride in displaying the flag, so the cultural heritage argument has merit.

 

Unfortunately what you're seeing nowadays is a lot of hate groups have embraced the flag too. It's a staple of Klan rallies and similar assorted trash also fly it. It's easy for me being a northerner with no love or attachment for the flag to denounce it. I'm fully devoid of southern pride and it holds not the slightest grip on my heart.

 

But if you have a great great grandpa that died for that flag, you understandably would see it differently. I cannot relate (literally). In that case it's up to you to consider what it means to you in light of what that hate-filled kid Roof and others like him see in it as well as the hurt it causes the black community and decide for yourself what's appropriate and what it means to you.

[KSB2424 3,153]

I don't know what it's like to have Confederate ancestors. The way Lynyrd Skynyrd and Bo and Luke Duke among others displayed the flag was cool. They clearly had no racial animosity in them and took pride in displaying the flag, so the cultural heritage argument has merit.

 

Unfortunately what you're seeing nowadays is a lot of hate groups have embraced the flag too. It's a staple of Klan rallies and similar assorted trash also fly it. It's easy for me being a northerner with no love or attachment for the flag to denounce it. I'm fully devoid of southern pride and it holds not the slightest grip on my heart.

 

But if you have a great great grandpa that died for that flag, you understandably would see it differently. I cannot relate (literally). In that case it's up to you to consider what it means to you in light of what that hate-filled kid Roof and others like him see in it as well as the hurt it causes the black community and decide for yourself what's appropriate and what it means to you.

 

Finally, somebody gets it. The confederate battle flag means different things to different people. Growing up I didn't ever really equate the flag to hate at all. i.e. your first paragraph. However lots of racist groups in the south took up that flag and it can be easily equated to that, so I get it. And for that reason it makes sense not to be flown on gov't grounds. It needs to come down, it needs to be put where other historical relics are located. In museums and history books for preservation. The State flag and American Flag should be proudly flown on gov't grounds.

 

With that said the over-the-top nonsense about taking it off video games, and changing names of schools and roads and statues and whatnot is just stupid. That is over-the-top, knee jerk, liberal agenda lets try to change history and look at it through a PC lense..... douchebaggery. Good Grief.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Pretty sure IGW means it's a victory for for the left-wing fascists like yourself. The rest of the country is a bit concerned about the next social target.

My feelings on the matter lay about halfway between yours and newbie's. Not sorry to see the flag go but concerned about free speech implications

[crackattack 520]

Obama had zero to do with gay marriage passing. He was against it, for it, against it....etc. If he was brave, he would have stood by his convictions pre-election, instead he flipped flopped many times. That makes him a coward for votes. He had nothing to do with the flag issue. The trade deal is yet to be determined. Health care is a failure imo and will eventually go single payer.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

 

Finally, somebody gets it. The confederate battle flag means different things to different people. Growing up I didn't ever really equate the flag to hate at all. i.e. your first paragraph. However lots of racist groups in the south took up that flag and it can be easily equated to that, so I get it. And for that reason it makes sense not to be flown on gov't grounds. It needs to come down, it needs to be put where other historical relics are located. In museums and history books for preservation. The State flag and American Flag should be proudly flown on gov't grounds.

 

With that said the over-the-top nonsense about taking it off video games, and changing names of schools and roads and statues and whatnot is just stupid. That is over-the-top, knee jerk, liberal agenda lets try to change history and look at it throgh a PC lense..... douchebaggery. Good Grief.

Finally we agree on something

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

Obama had zero to do with gay marriage passing. He was against it, for it, against it....etc. If he was brave, he would have stood by his convictions pre-election, instead he flipped flopped many times. That makes him a coward for votes. He had nothing to do with the flag issue. The trade deal is yet to be determined. Health care is a failure imo and will eventually go single payer.

If it goes to single payer it won't be a failure.

[crackattack 520]

If it goes to single payer it won't be a failure.

I agree with that, but until then I think it's a failure.

[NewbieJr 541]

Obama had zero to do with gay marriage passing. He was against it, for it, against it....etc. If he was brave, he would have stood by his convictions pre-election, instead he flipped flopped many times. That makes him a coward for votes. He had nothing to do with the flag issue. The trade deal is yet to be determined. Health care is a failure imo and will eventually go single payer.

Obama evolved like millions of others on the gay marriage issue. He didn't flip flop back and forth on it.

And whether you like the healthcare plan or not, there's no denying that the Supreme Court ruling was a huge victory for Obama.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Obama had zero to do with gay marriage passing. He was against it, for it, against it....etc. If he was brave, he would have stood by his convictions pre-election, instead he flipped flopped many times. That makes him a coward for votes. He had nothing to do with the flag issue. The trade deal is yet to be determined. Health care is a failure imo and will eventually go single payer.

A president coming out in favor of ghey marriage is a big focking deal. Doesn't really matter that he "evolved" to that point, the act of accepting it gave the whole thing national legitimacy. So I wouldn't say obama made it happen by himself or anything but he played a role.

 

Disagree on health care law as it is already working. More people with health insurance, less people left without coverage due to preexisting conditions. There are growing pains for sure but that'd be true of any major overhaul

 

Trade deal seems like a good long term move. Maintaining and growing our influence in the pacific room so China doesn't take over economically. Will have to see how it works out for american jobs but really that whole ship sailed with globalization and there's no bringing it back to the harbor now

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

The right hates when people change their minds.

[crackattack 520]

Obama evolved like millions of others on the gay marriage issue. He didn't flip flop back and forth on it.

And whether you like the healthcare plan or not, there's no denying that the Supreme Court ruling was a huge victory for Obama.

The ruling was absolutely a victory. I wasn't denying that, just aca in general. He didn't evolve. He flipped flopped. Just like Romney. Obama was afraid to stand by his convictions in the name of votes. If Obama truly cared about gay marriage, why didn't the democrats pass it as law when the had complete control? Instead they left it up to the SCOTUS. Why? Cowards for votes.

[crackattack 520]

The right hates when people change their minds.

So does the left. Newbie has blasted Romney as a flip flopper. The left calls it evolving when it's their own members doing it. They call it flip flopping when the right does it

[IGotWorms 4,060]

The ruling was absolutely a victory. I wasn't denying that, just aca in general. He didn't evolve. He flipped flopped. Just like Romney. Obama was afraid to stand by his convictions in the name of votes. If Obama truly cared about gay marriage, why didn't the democrats pass it as law when the had complete control? Instead they left it up to the SCOTUS. Why? Cowards for votes.

I think you're being extremely short sighted here and frankly your stance makes no sense. How could democrats "pass it" when they had control? Would have required a constitutional amendment and that was never happening. Plus it's only been in the past few years that many states have legalized it through legislation or court rulings, so before national legalization wouldn't have had near as much legitimacy. It hadn't even approached the tipping point back in '08 - '10.

[IGotWorms 4,060]

Obama evolved like millions of others on the gay marriage issue. He didn't flip flop back and forth on it.

And whether you like the healthcare plan or not, there's no denying that the Supreme Court ruling was a huge victory for Obama.

Fact is Obummer was for ghey marriage all along but the country hadn't caught up with him yet.

 

So what do you do? Announce your support and go down as some protest candidate that didn't end up accomplishing jack squat?

 

Or do you quietly support (or at least not impede) the movement behind the scenes and then jump into support it when the time is ripe to have an actual impact?

 

Which one is smarter? Seems pretty clear to me

[SUXBNME 1,583]

Obama evolved like millions of others on the gay marriage issue. He didn't flip flop back and forth on it.

And whether you like the healthcare plan or not, there's no denying that the Supreme Court ruling was a huge victory for Obama.

He publicly changed his mind over 5 times on it.

Try again.

[crackattack 520]

I think you're being extremely short sighted here and frankly your stance makes no sense. How could democrats "pass it" when they had control? Would have required a constitutional amendment and that was never happening. Plus it's only been in the past few years that many states have legalized it through legislation or court rulings, so before national legalization wouldn't have had near as much legitimacy. It hadn't even approached the tipping point back in '08 - '10.

That's true. My bad. But they didn't even propose a constitutional amendment. Maybe it is short sighted, but I call it what it is. I think I'm level headed with politics, but Obama and the democrats deserve zero credit for it's passing. He flipped flopped, not "evolved". Let's be honest and call it what it is.

[crackattack 520]

Fact is Obummer was for ghey marriage all along but the country hadn't caught up with him yet.

 

So what do you do? Announce your support and go down as some protest candidate that didn't end up accomplishing jack squat?

 

Or do you quietly support (or at least not impede) the movement behind the scenes and then jump into support it when the time is ripe to have an actual impact?

 

Which one is smarter? Seems pretty clear to me

It is clear. So call him a lier who flipped flopped for votes. It's easy to do.

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

The ruling was absolutely a victory. I wasn't denying that, just aca in general. He didn't evolve. He flipped flopped. Just like Romney. Obama was afraid to stand by his convictions in the name of votes. If Obama truly cared about gay marriage, why didn't the democrats pass it as law when the had complete control? Instead they left it up to the SCOTUS. Why? Cowards for votes.

How long did the democrats have complete control?

[IGotWorms 4,060]

It is clear. So call him a lier who flipped flopped for votes. It's easy to do.

I suppose that is one way you could look at it

[crackattack 520]

How long did the democrats have complete control?

2 years??? I believe?

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Finally, somebody gets it. The confederate battle flag means different things to different people. Growing up I didn't ever really equate the flag to hate at all. i.e. your first paragraph. However lots of racist groups in the south took up that flag and it can be easily equated to that, so I get it. And for that reason it makes sense not to be flown on gov't grounds. It needs to come down, it needs to be put where other historical relics are located. In museums and history books for preservation. The State flag and American Flag should be proudly flown on gov't grounds.

 

With that said the over-the-top nonsense about taking it off video games, and changing names of schools and roads and statues and whatnot is just stupid. That is over-the-top, knee jerk, liberal agenda lets try to change history and look at it through a PC lense..... douchebaggery. Good Grief.

Roads, statues, and schools i agree with you on.

 

Games...who gives a fock? If a company wants to do so, thats up to them.

[SUXBNME 1,583]

Fact is Obummer was for ghey marriage all along but the country hadn't caught up with him yet.

 

That's a fact, huh?

He told you this or something?

[NewbieJr 541]

Who was the first president to support gay marriage?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

2 years??? I believe?

72 days. The Senate seat in Minnesota was not determined until June of 2009, and while that was being sorted out Ted Kennedy was incapacitated and then died in August. That fall Scott Brown, republican, won Ted Kennedys seat. So they held a filibuster proof majority for a couple of months. How long did George Bush have it for?