Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[edjr 6,586]

 

Why were they suspended?

 

because of the Lie Report and the NFLie

[RLLD 4,230]

 

because of the Lie Report and the NFLie

 

I see. I have to admit being impressed at the level the Pat's fans will go to in order to ignore the obvious.

[NewbieJr 541]

You are right, they should sue in court that they were willfully misled into acquiesing. Given the fact it was based off of phony leaked reports, and no evidence whatsoever to substantiate anything it was downright fraudulent.

 

I'm sure if Kraft had it to do over again he would have stood his ground.

So why aren't they?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

So why aren't they?

 

You have ignored this for the entire time - the team has a completely different set of options that are severely limited vs. what Brady had available.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/appeal-by-patriots-likely-wouldnt-succeed/

[edjr 6,586]

yeah, they didn't.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

 

I see. I have to admit being impressed at the level the Pat's fans will go to in order to ignore the obvious.

 

You don't mean "obvious". You mean "convenient".

[NewbieJr 541]

 

You have ignored this for the entire time - the team has a completely different set of options that are severely limited vs. what Brady had available.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/appeal-by-patriots-likely-wouldnt-succeed/

They've already taken it to court. Yes, I know the options are different. But don't tell me that there aren't any legal options if they are totally innocent and the league has chosen to take two draft picks away from them for no reason. I haven't even heard Kraft or Belichick come forward and say that, because of the judge's ruling in the Brady case, the lost draft picks are a sham. Nope. Not a word. I wonder why? lol No I don't. I know why.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

They've already taken it to court. Yes, I know the options are different. But don't tell me that there aren't any legal options if they are totally innocent and the league has chosen to take two draft picks away from them for no reason. I haven't even heard Kraft or Belichick come forward and say that, because of the judge's ruling in the Brady case, the lost draft picks are a sham. Nope. Not a word. I wonder why? lol No I don't. I know why.

 

Who took it to court? Not the Patriots, you idiot. The NFLPA took the case to court because they have that right as part of their CBA. Kraft and the Patriots do not have that right under the NFL by-laws, so the court would probably not even be inclined to even consider looking at whether it was poorly investigated or decided because they have no standing to change it.

 

You really don't understand the law, so leave it to pretend lawyers like Worms.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

because of the Lie Report and the NFLie

 

So you think they (and the Pats) did nothing?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Who took it to court? Not the Patriots, you idiot. The NFLPA took the case to court because they have that right as part of their CBA. Kraft and the Patriots do not have that right under the NFL by-laws, so the court would probably not even be inclined to even consider looking at whether it was poorly investigated or decided because they have no standing to change it.

 

You really don't understand the law, so leave it to pretend lawyers like Worms.

So not even worth a try, huh? lol You're not a moron, although you seem to want to come across as one. You know why they aren't fighting it. And I don't even necessarily mean in the court of law. Not even in the media. They are quite happy giving up their two picks and million bucks. As long as they have Brady playing. They know they dodged a bullet.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

So not even worth a try, huh? lol You're not a moron, although you seem to want to come across as one. You know why they aren't fighting it. And I don't even necessarily mean in the court of law. Not even in the media. They are quite happy giving up their two picks and million bucks. As long as they have Brady playing. They know they dodged a bullet.

 

It isn't worth the try because it is a waste of money, it will be divisive to a multi-billion dollar industry, it will continue to distract from and harm their brand, and they have no chance to win.

 

If the Pats were to take this to court, it would not help them in the media one bit.

 

BTW - you completely passed over the fact that you were wrong AGAIN - in thinking that the Pats went to court.

[RLLD 4,230]

 

So you think they (and the Pats) did nothing?

 

I think that position varies, and has evolved based on the evidence. First there was absolute denial, then after facing an array of circumstantial but damning evidence suddenly it became a "so what, everyone does it" excuse, and then the punishment for cheating an lying was just to much.....which really means it was the right amount because then it was at the deterrent level.....so on and on, yes the Patriots have cheated, but their fans are just fine with that.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

It isn't worth the try because it is a waste of money, it will be divisive to a multi-billion dollar industry, it will continue to distract from and harm their brand, and they have no chance to win.

 

If the Pats were to take this to court, it would not help them in the media one bit.

 

BTW - you completely passed over the fact that you were wrong AGAIN - in thinking that the Pats went to court.

I get it, moron. Brady went to court. Under the guise that the NFLPA wanted him too. And you are dumb enough to not think it was purely a vanity move on Tommy's part. And you're completely passing over the fact that no one in the pats organization is complaining about having two draft picks and a million dollars taken from them. And you're also passing over the part that everyone besides Patriot fans are laughing at you for not seeing the reason why.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I think that position varies, and has evolved based on the evidence. First there was absolute denial, then after facing an array of circumstantial but damning evidence suddenly it became a "so what, everyone does it" excuse, and then the punishment for cheating an lying was just to much.....which really means it was the right amount because then it was at the deterrent level.....so on and on, yes the Patriots have cheated, but their fans are just fine with that.

Their fans don't care that they cheated in Spygate either. They think cheating is perfectly fine and it's just a jealousy issue.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

I get it, moron. Brady went to court. Under the guise that the NFLPA wanted him too. And you are dumb enough to not think it was purely a vanity move on Tommy's part. And you're completely passing over the fact that no one in the pats organization is complaining about having two draft picks and a million dollars taken from them. And you're also passing over the part that everyone besides Patriot fans are laughing at you for not seeing the reason why.

You can call me moron all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you have had a boatload of incorrect statements throughout the thread.

 

Even this statement is incorrect (Kraft complained pretty hard about the judgment that was based on lies). Brady did not file a lawsuit. The NFLPA did it.

 

I could give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks in this case. As I stated early on, there is not one thing that will change the thinking of people like you and that is fine. The reality is that there are a ton of idiots out there that believe a lot of stupid stuff.

[NewbieJr 541]

You can call me moron all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you have had a boatload of incorrect statements throughout the thread.

 

Even this statement is incorrect (Kraft complained pretty hard about the judgment that was based on lies). Brady did not file a lawsuit. The NFLPA did it.

 

I could give a rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks in this case. As I stated early on, there is not one thing that will change the thinking of people like you and that is fine. The reality is that there are a ton of idiots out there that believe a lot of stupid stuff.

And as everyone in the country knows, there is absolutely nothing the Patriots could possibly do that would have you say anything negative about them. Or any other Pats fans. Because you all know that your legacy is the same as Barry Bonds'. "Yeah, they were good, but..."

[mighty_thor 115]

 

Why were they suspended?

According to Adam Schefter the NFL told the Patriots to suspend them. And after Roger Goodell denied that he told the Patriots to suspend them on the Mike and Mike radio show, Schefter said he was still positive the NFL ordered them to suspend them.

[NewbieJr 541]

According to Adam Schefter the NFL told the Patriots to suspend them. And after Roger Goodell denied that he told the Patriots to suspend them on the Mike and Mike radio show, Schefter said he was still positive the NFL ordered them to suspend them.

And again, the Patriots went ahead and did it without a fight.

[RLLD 4,230]

According to Adam Schefter the NFL told the Patriots to suspend them. And after Roger Goodell denied that he told the Patriots to suspend them on the Mike and Mike radio show, Schefter said he was still positive the NFL ordered them to suspend them.

 

This is actually correct, not accustomed to actual fact being in a reply, are you a Patriots apologist? Posting facts would lead me to believe no.

 

So the NFL approached the Patriots and asked them to take action on these employee's and the Patriots acquiesced, interesting. Seems as though through their own actions the Patriots at least had some agreement with regard to the behavior of the employees.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

This is actually correct, not accustomed to actual fact being in a reply, are you a Patriots apologist? Posting facts would lead me to believe no.

 

So the NFL approached the Patriots and asked them to take action on these employee's and the Patriots acquiesced, interesting. Seems as though through their own actions the Patriots at least had some agreement with regard to the behavior of the employees.

Yup. There was no push back by the Patriots until Golden Boy was suspended.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

And as everyone in the country knows, there is absolutely nothing the Patriots could possibly do that would have you say anything negative about them. Or any other Pats fans. Because you all know that your legacy is the same as Barry Bonds'. "Yeah, they were good, but..."

... and you would be wrong again. The Pats were wrong for Spygate. It was dumb and arrogant.

 

Face it - you have the blinders on and it won't matter what I (or anyone else with a contradictory opinion) says. You are like a cartoon character because you act this obnoxious in all of your posts.

[NewbieJr 541]

... and you would be wrong again. The Pats were wrong for Spygate. It was dumb and arrogant.

 

Face it - you have the blinders on and it won't matter what I (or anyone else with a contradictory opinion) says. You are like a cartoon character because you act this obnoxious in all of your posts.

Yeah. God forbid an avid football fan act passionately about his despise for cheating.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Yeah. God forbid an avid football fan act passionately about his despise for cheating.

 

You could just listen and read for once. It might help you not come across as big of an ass as you already do.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

You could just listen and read for once. It might help you not come across as big of an ass as you already do.

You guys lost two draft picks but were able to keep your quarterback. Now go root for your team and hope that they've finally learned their lesson.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

You guys lost two draft picks but were able to keep your quarterback. Now go root for your team and hope that they've finally learned their lesson.

 

.... and you can go look at the Eagles empty trophy case, kiss a statue of the most famous (movie) sports legend of that sh!thole of a city, p!ss on an old girlfriend while looking for happiness after your wife found out what a total a-hole you are, while you try to wipe the orange off your face before you take another duck-faced selfie.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

.... and you can go look at the Eagles empty trophy case, kiss a statue of the most famous (movie) sports legend of that sh!thole of a city, p!ss on an old girlfriend while looking for happiness after your wife found out what a total a-hole you are, while you try to wipe the orange off your face before you take another duck-faced selfie.

Hahahahaha. True defeat. I love it. I broke you down, pussie boy.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Hahahahaha. True defeat. I love it. I broke you down, pussie boy.

 

Yes, you really broke me down on that one. Boy, do I feel so bad right now.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Yes, you really broke me down on that one. Boy, do I feel so bad right now.

[cbfalcon 825]

Yeah. God forbid an avid football fan act passionately about his despise for cheating.

 

except Chip Kelly of course.

[edjr 6,586]

If Bill Belichick announced he was leaving the Patriots to coach the Eagles, newbie would be the 1st one on his knees.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

except Chip Kelly of course.

I'd have been furious if I was a fan of Oregon. Or college football. Grrrrrr I'm so angry.

[NewbieJr 541]

If Bill Belichick announced he was leaving the Patriots to coach the Eagles, newbie would be the 1st one on his knees.

Depends, would I be getting the cheating successful Belichick, or the honest sub-.500 Cleveland Browns Belichick?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

18-1 anybody?

[RLLD 4,230]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25306228/ex-ref-was-once-suspicious-of-pats-jim-mcnally-reported-him-to-nfl

[RLLD 4,230]

"There [were] questions (raised by Baltz) about [McNally] playing catch on the sideline with Tom Brady. Was that against the rules? No. There [were] no specific guidelines about what a locker-room attendant could or could not do. [McNally] had a sideline pass. He could go anywhere on the field."

 

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/jim-daopoulos-defends-mcnally-questions-mark-baltz-agenda

 

Of course McNally could go anywhere he wanted, and he can absolutely play catch with T*m Br*dy, who I am sure plays catch with staffers all the time and then completely forgets who they are.....

[Crygate 7]

 

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/jim-daopoulos-defends-mcnally-questions-mark-baltz-agenda

 

Of course McNally could go anywhere he wanted, and he can absolutely play catch with T*m Br*dy, who I am sure plays catch with staffers all the time and then completely forgets who they are.....

the official talking this fabricated garbage worked 3 games at foxboro during Brady's career and my god what a crybaby you are.

Like the ravens coach... Lose with some dignity for Christ' sake. Man up.

[edjr 6,586]

the official talking this fabricated garbage worked 3 games at foxboro during Brady's career and my god what a ###### crybaby you are.

Like the ravens coach... Lose with some dignity for Christ' sake. Man up.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

This never stops being fun

[edjr 6,586]

This never stops being fun

 

You know what is even more fun? the Patriots beating the Ravens and their coaches not knowing the rule book and their fans whining incessantly

 

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[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

the official talking this fabricated garbage worked 3 games at foxboro during Brady's career and my god what a ###### crybaby you are.

Like the ravens coach... Lose with some dignity for Christ' sake. Man up.

 

Allegedly, the "official" in this case had a son that worked for the Colts at the time as well. In the games in which this official allegedly worked, the Colts were 8-1.