Now that the transcripts have been released for deflategate.....

[NewbieJr 541]

Sorry newbs but cb is right. No matter what you say to defend him Goodell is the biggest liar of them all and will do what he wants. So of the NFL wins the case then I feel certain he will in fact increase Brady's suspension based on his past and what he has stated a few weeks ago

If you say so. I say that he won't even care if it gets reduced to two. And show me one post where I defended Goodell. I've gone out of my way to mention how badly he's screwed up the investigation. But Patriot fans want to equate that with Brady's innocence. And that's just not how it works.

[Djgb13 2,339]

If you say so. I say that he won't even care if it gets reduced to two. And show me one post where I defended Goodell. I've gone out of my way to mention how badly he's screwed up the investigation. But Patriot fans want to equate that with Brady's innocence. And that's just not how it works.

When you keep saying Goodell doesn't care about the suspension when he does. He wants Brady to admit guilt AND suspend him. Brady went from being "generally aware" to "have conspired and was highly involved" with the deflated footballs from the investigation to the end of the appeal. Regardless if there is any truth to the investigation didn't matter to Goodell. He wanted a guilty verdict and has gone out of his way to make it so.

[cbfalcon 825]

NewbieJr, on 31 Aug 2015 - 1:59 PM, said:

 

 

MIke, I demand a tinfoil hat emoji. This kook requires one with everything he posts.

Huh? You think I am the one that decided the NFL wants him to open himself up to perjury charges to settle? No my friend. That was lawyer types and legal analysts saying what Goodell was offering would require Brady to admit to perjury. So if you want to accuse anyone of wearing tinfoil hats, accuse the media and all the writers and legal analysts. They are the insane ones, whereas you are much more in tune with the situation and unbiased than said journalists.

 

Here, I'll help you with some quotes from assorted stories that can be found on the internet.

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The NFL may be asking Tom Brady to commit perjury as part of a DeflateGate settlement

 

 

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He won't surrender any more flesh. From a legal perspective, he can't. If he did, he could be committing perjury.

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The NFL wants him to reverse that course to achieve a settlement. Essentially: Accept guilt; admit perjury;

 

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If he did, he would potentially open himself up to perjury charges.

 

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This refusal makes sense for the Brady camp, because if Brady accepts the findings of the Wells report, he’ll have committed perjury

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

He has considered that. He straight up told Brady to drop his suit or else he could increase his suspension. So I can see him doing that. Here's is the link for you

 

http://www.inquisitr.com/2339290/tom-brady-suspension-deflategate/

 

You read into that what you want...he does not tell him drop it or I increase the suspension.

Never is that quoted at all.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

The only thing I've seen is where sources have stated Goodell would reduce the suspension if Brady admitted to perjury. In other words, he wanted Brady to confess to a felony that would in theory give the NFL the power to try and send Brady to prison for up to 5 years.

 

The NFL does not have the authority to send anyone to prison.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Huh? You think I am the one that decided the NFL wants him to open himself up to perjury charges to settle? No my friend. That was lawyer types and legal analysts saying what Goodell was offering would require Brady to admit to perjury. So if you want to accuse anyone of wearing tinfoil hats, accuse the media and all the writers and legal analysts. They are the insane ones, whereas you are much more in tune with the situation and unbiased than said journalists.

 

Here, I'll help you with some quotes from assorted stories that can be found on the internet.

 

 

So let me get this straight.....the league has gone from hating the Patriots (lol) to wanting to penalize Brady so they could even the playing field and give other teams a change (lolol) to now wanting Tom Brady to go to jail (lololol)?

 

Can't wait till tomorrow when CBTinfoil tells us the league is pushing for a lethal injection.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

The NFL does not have the authority to send anyone to prison.

Shhhh, let him go. He has no idea how asinine he looks. This is fun!

[cbfalcon 825]

 

The NFL does not have the authority to send anyone to prison.

 

Obviously...

 

But if they get Brady on the record admitting to perjury, they have influence to make things happen if they so desire. Would they? Doubt it......as long as Brady was a good little boy, doesn't talk badly about the commissioner, etc.

 

Do you not find that scenario plausible? Or is the league too honorable for that?

[edjr 6,580]

Martha Focking Stewart went to jail for perjury.

 

if the DA has it in for someone, they will get them.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

You read into that what you want...he does not tell him drop it or I increase the suspension.

Never is that quoted at all.

Really? That's all you got? "Read into that what you want" isn't that the exact thing that should be said for all the people saying Brady cheated even though here's no evidence? Yes I do believe that is a case very similar.

 

Anyway, if Goodell is threatening him (which it is clear that he is despite what you say) then it should only make sense that he will follow through with that threat

[cbfalcon 825]

So let me get this straight.....the league has gone from hating the Patriots (lol) to wanting to penalize Brady so they could even the playing field and give other teams a change (lolol) to now wanting Tom Brady to go to jail (lololol)?

 

Can't wait till tomorrow when CBTinfoil tells us the league is pushing for a lethal injection.

 

All those quotes came from news stories...news stories written by journalists and stuff. So why are you acting like I am the one that created a news story that the league wanted Brady to admit to perjury for it to settle? It's almost like you can't even read complete sentences. You just latch on to the buzzwords in a post and apply your own meaning. You probably saw the post you quote like this.

 

Huh? You think I am the one that decided the NFL wants him to open himself up to perjury charges to settle? No my friend. That was lawyer types and legal analyzation is that saying what Goodell was offering would require Brady to admit to perjury. So if you want to accuse anyone of wearing tinfoil hats, accuse the media and all the writers and legal analysts. They are the insane ones, whereas you are much more in tune with the situation and unbiased than said journalists.

 

Here, I'll help you with some quotes from assorted stories that can be found on the internet.

 

 

I get it....Reading all the words and understanding the meaning of complete sentences is difficult. I used to have issue with it even

[NewbieJr 541]

This gets funnier and funnier. And the best part of it is, Pats fans truly believe that Goodell has something against their team. Despite the fact that he and Goodell had dinner together the night before the game they got caught cheating.

 

Kraft gave up two draft picks and handed over a million bucks. Without fighting it at all. Or kicking and screaming. Until his golden goose got suspended. Had Brady come clean right away, this would be such a non-story. Brady made his bed. First by cheating. Then by lying and covering up. Period

[Djgb13 2,339]

This gets funnier and funnier. And the best part of it is, Pats fans truly believe that Goodell has something against their team. Despite the fact that he and Goodell had dinner together the night before the game they got caught cheating.

 

Kraft gave up two draft picks and handed over a million bucks. Without fighting it at all. Or kicking and screaming. Until his golden goose got suspended. Had Brady come clean right away, this would be such a non-story. Brady made his bed. First by cheating. Then by lying and covering up. Period

I don't believe Goodell has it out for the patriots and never have. I do believe has his own agenda and what makes him look good. Punishing people for wrongdoings for "the good of the league" always make him look better. So in this case he wanted them to be guilty so he could look good punishing them.

[cbfalcon 825]

 

 

Kraft gave up two draft picks and handed over a million bucks. Without fighting it at all. Or kicking and screaming. .

 

So Kraft should have acted like Brady?

 

 

Had Brady come clean right away, this would be such a non-story.

 

 

So Brady should have acted like Adrian Peterson?

[NewbieJr 541]

 

So Kraft should have acted like Brady?

 

 

 

So Brady should have acted like Adrian Peterson?

No. Kraft acted the exact way he should have.

 

I've already told you how Brady should have acted. Complete with a word for word dialog of the press conference he should have held.

[Sho Nuff 720]

 

Obviously...

 

But if they get Brady on the record admitting to perjury, they have influence to make things happen if they so desire. Would they? Doubt it......as long as Brady was a good little boy, doesn't talk badly about the commissioner, etc.

 

Do you not find that scenario plausible? Or is the league too honorable for that?

I find it to be a rather whiny complaint in all of this.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Really? That's all you got? "Read into that what you want" isn't that the exact thing that should be said for all the people saying Brady cheated even though here's no evidence? Yes I do believe that is a case very similar.

 

Anyway, if Goodell is threatening him (which it is clear that he is despite what you say) then it should only make sense that he will follow through with that threat

All I got is refuting the claim you made.

 

You stated he said he would increase it...which was never said.

[Djgb13 2,339]

All I got is refuting the claim you made.

 

You stated he said he would increase it...which was never said.

So according your logic he hasn't said or implied that even if it's there in black and white that he has implied he would do it correct?

 

I have come to the conclusion that if it doesn't fit your point of view then it's wrong

[cbfalcon 825]

No. Kraft acted the exact way he should have.

 

I've already told you how Brady should have acted. Complete with a word for word dialog of the press conference he should have held.

 

Gotcha. So if Brady had acted like Peterson and apologized, all would have been fine.

 

Newbie...god help ya. I love ya kid.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I don't believe Goodell has it out for the patriots and never have. I do believe has his own agenda and what makes him look good. Punishing people for wrongdoings for "the good of the league" always make him look better. So in this case he wanted them to be guilty so he could look good punishing them.

Yet, the stories out there was it was the other owners agenda...not Goodells

[Sho Nuff 720]

So according your logic he hasn't said or implied that even if it's there in black and white that he has implied he would do it correct?

 

I have come to the conclusion that if it doesn't fit your point of view then it's wrong

According to me...he has said he could do it, not that he would. Not surprising you don't understand the difference.

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Gotcha. So if Brady had acted like Peterson and apologized, all would have been fine.

 

Newbie...god help ya. I love ya kid.

There would have been a team fine. We've gone over this., Not my problem that you think lying was the way to go.

[Djgb13 2,339]

According to me...he has said he could do it, not that he would. Not surprising you don't understand the difference.

I'll spell it out for you then since it's not clicking. The guy says "You know I CAN increase your suspension if I want to". That is a clear implication that he if Brady isn't willing to back down then he will increase his suspension. That is what a threat is. So if he has no desire to increase Brady's punishment then tell me WHY he brings it up? 2+2=4 yet that doesn't seem to click

[NewbieJr 541]

I'll spell it out for you then since it's not clicking. The guy says "You know I CAN increase your suspension if I want to". That is a clear implication that he if Brady isn't willing to back down then he will increase his suspension. That is what a threat is. So if he has no desire to increase Brady's punishment then tell me WHY he brings it up? 2+2=4 yet that doesn't seem to click

It's gamesmanship. Brady says he will not even accept one game. When in reality, he's trying to get it down to two. Goodell says he can increase it if he wants. When he's really just trying to get Brady to be happy where it is. Bluffing. On both sides

[Djgb13 2,339]

It's gamesmanship. Brady says he will not even accept one game. When in reality, he's trying to get it down to two. Goodell says he can increase it if he wants. When he's really just trying to get Brady to be happy where it is. Bluffing. On both sides

My point is that it's a threat. You can call it a bluff but if someone says that to you while you're going head to head in a case then it's the same as threatening them.

[NewbieJr 541]

My point is that it's a threat. You can call it a bluff but if someone says that to you while you're going head to head in a case then it's the same as threatening them.

I agree. As was Brady's 'threat' that he will take it as high in the court system as he has to and he's not willing to accept even one game suspension. Both trying to get the other side to soften up.

[Djgb13 2,339]

I agree. As was Brady's 'threat' that he will take it as high in the court system as he has to and he's not willing to accept even one game suspension. Both trying to get the other side to soften up.

But Brady did say he would agree to compromise. Goodell hasn't. He wants all or nothing

[NewbieJr 541]

But Brady did say he would agree to compromise. Goodell hasn't. He wants all or nothing

what was Brady's compromise offer?

[Magnificent Bastard 191]

what was Brady's compromise offer?

He would plead guilty to not cooperating.

[Kanil 520]

If Brady committed perjury, it's not Goodell's fault. Trying to say Goodell wants Brady to admit to perjury is wrong. Goodell wants Brady to admit his role in the case. It's not his fault if Brady committed perjury.

[Djgb13 2,339]

If Brady committed perjury, it's not Goodell's fault. Trying to say Goodell wants Brady to admit to perjury is wrong. Goodell wants Brady to admit his role in the case. It's not his fault if Brady committed perjury.

Agreed. And if I was Brady I would be dam sure that I had no part in it before I started this whole process so I couldn't be charged for that

[cbfalcon 825]

what was Brady's compromise offer?

 

I've read different accounts, and I don't think either side ever made an official offer. But it sounds like offers floated were:

 

- Brady offered to pay a fine or possibly sit one game for not fully cooperating with the investigation, but wouldn't admit to Deflategate guilt.

- The league offered to make it a 2 or 3 game suspension if Brady admitted the ball boys deflated balls on his orders, admitted he perjured himself and that the Wells Report was correct, stated that Goodell has the authority to punish him as he sees fit according to the CBA, and publicly apologizes for the whole ordeal.

[cbfalcon 825]

If Brady committed perjury, it's not Goodell's fault. Trying to say Goodell wants Brady to admit to perjury is wrong. Goodell wants Brady to admit his role in the case. It's not his fault if Brady committed perjury.

 

Oh, I agree. If Brady perjured himself, it's on him. But what if he didn't? Entertain the thought for hypothetical sake. You want him to say he perjured himself to reduce an unfair suspension?

 

Regardless, anyone being realistic knows that any settlement offer that demands Brady admit to perjury isn't a legit attempt at settling. It's like telling someone accused of assault that you'll drop the charges if they'll cop to Murder.

[edjr 6,580]

NFL offered 3 games if Brady accepted guilt

[cbfalcon 825]

NFL offered 3 games if Brady accepted guilt

 

Yeah, I just read that.

 

So if Brady admitted to perjury, opening himself up to criminal charges.....and stated that the league as the right to suspend players as it sees fit, thus effectively enhancing Goodell's power by creating precedent....Goodell was willing to reduce it to only a 3 game suspension. :lol:

 

Brady's counter should have been "Roger, you admit you are guilty of contempt of court in the Adrian Peterson case, and issue a public apology. Then I'll pay a fine for not giving you my cell phone".

[NewbieJr 541]

NFL offered 3 games if Brady accepted guilt

with Brady perjuring himself, I doubt he'll go this route. At some point, you just get in too deep to ever go back.

[edjr 6,580]

with Brady perjuring himself

[cbfalcon 825]

with Brady perjuring himself, I doubt he'll go this route. At some point, you just get in too deep to ever go back.

 

I agree. Goodell is there now.

 

He has paid Ted Wells $45 million between the bullying investigation and Deflategate. Nobody wants to go to their bosses and say "We just spent $20m, and it turns out we found nothing"......Needless to say, Goodell is in way too deep to ever go back. He has to die claiming that in spite of no direct evidence (his sides words), it was money well spent. Yep, in too deep now to ever go back.

[Djgb13 2,339]

 

I agree. Goodell is there now.

 

He has paid Ted Wells $45 million between the bullying investigation and Deflategate. Nobody wants to go to their bosses and say "We just spent $20m, and it turns out we found nothing"......Needless to say, Goodell is in way too deep to ever go back. He has to die claiming that in spite of no direct evidence (his sides words), it was money well spent. Yep, in too deep now to ever go back.

Fact is even the judge, who is an impartial person in this, has had trouble in finding anything the related to Brady in the whole thing. Yet some people still can't get it through their heads that he honestly might not have had anything to do with it

[NewbieJr 541]

 

I agree. Goodell is there now.

 

He has paid Ted Wells $45 million between the bullying investigation and Deflategate. Nobody wants to go to their bosses and say "We just spent $20m, and it turns out we found nothing"......Needless to say, Goodell is in way too deep to ever go back. He has to die claiming that in spite of no direct evidence (his sides words), it was money well spent. Yep, in too deep now to ever go back.

I agree. And you're still harping on mean nasty Goodell. Don't care. I'm not a supporter. Simply am tired of that team breaking the rules and then lying about it. They could fire Goodell for all I care (but they wont)