thisdman 0 Posted September 21, 2015 Why can't anyone figure out how to stop the Pats. offense? It seems like 90% of their pass plays are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. It's been going on for years and no one can stop it. It drives me nuts. What gives? Here's a suggestion. I would take 4 offensive lineman and put them on defense. I would line them up on the line of scrimmage directly in front of Edelman and Gronk and tell them to block. Next I would take 4 more offensive lineman and put them 5 yards behind these guys in case the first 2 miss their blocks. I don't really care what you do with the other 3 guys you have on defense just so long as you stop that damn 4 yard pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 21, 2015 and this is why you're on a fantasy football forum and not a NFL defensive coordinator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted September 21, 2015 Why can't anyone figure out how to stop the Pats. offense? It seems like 90% of their pass plays are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. It's been going on for years and no one can stop it. It drives me nuts. What gives? Here's a suggestion. I would take 4 offensive lineman and put them on defense. I would line them up on the line of scrimmage directly in front of Edelman and Gronk and tell them to block. Next I would take 4 more offensive lineman and put them 5 yards behind these guys in case the first 2 miss their blocks. I don't really care what you do with the other 3 guys you have on defense just so long as you stop that damn 4 yard pass. The Giants showed how it's done. Knock the crap out of Brady. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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TD Ryan2 314 Posted September 21, 2015 If you can get to Brady, you disrupt everything - but if you commit to going after him and can't - he will shred you. It's a risk reward proposition and most lose. Everything NE does is predicated on match ups and Brady reading the defense to exploit those match ups. Before the ball is snapped, Brady knows where he has advantages and weaknesses - he does not snap the ball into a bad play call. And because he's prepared, the ball is out quickly - 3steps, 2seconds, 1... 2... 3... Completion. It is efficient and lethal once the hurry up pace starts and fatigue/confusion enters into the equation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 21, 2015 When Tom and his whiteys are on fire, there is no stopping them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plasma george 52 Posted September 21, 2015 When Tom and his whiteys are on fire, there is no stopping them.Post of the Season so farBut I just started positing again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
barber2309 26 Posted September 21, 2015 0-2 2-0 in Superbowls against the Pats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted September 21, 2015 Here's a suggestion. I would take 4 offensive lineman also, this is part of it too... everyone except NE is stupid... dumb... from you with your 4 O-linemen on defense to Eli and his "don't score" plan to Pete Carrol throwing it on the 1, to Mike Tomlin using the sneaky 10 defensive players formation and not covering Gronk... Everyone in the NFL, except for Belichick and NE, is stupid - they do stupid stuff, they make stupid plays, they call stupid plays, they manage the clock stupidly, they say stupid stuff before the game, they say stupid stuff after the game - and NE just waits for you to be stupid and then jams your stupidity up your azz. Yesterday in BUF, the Guinness book of world records was there - The Bills set the record for most stupid penalties, the kind that are basically turnovers. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted September 21, 2015 My HS coach use to say he didnt care if you called the play out loud, if you block it and execute it right a play is designed to beat the def. NE takes it to another level with the short pass... The WR knows the pattern and the D back has to react to it. If the timing and accuracy is there there really is little to stop it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 21, 2015 Yesterday in BUF, the Guinness book of world records was there - The Bills set the record for most stupid penalties, the kind that are basically turnovers. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. You didn't see the Bears, or Philly-Dallas, did you? People have trouble stopping the Pats because: 1) they have an accurate, smart QB 2) they have great possession guys who aren't blazing fast but can get open by being quick in short spaces (counting Gronk in there) 3) they have guys who aren't great but are decent enough that if you let them get behind you, they will catch what Brady throws, so you can't just jam the quick possession guys 4) they have enough not great but decent backs they can rotate through the game and pound at you just to make sure you don't sell out completely for the pass 5) they have a respectable O-line. Find a team like that, and you find a team that others have trouble stopping on offense. Seattle and Green Bay have at least all of those, and people have trouble stopping them too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 591 Posted September 21, 2015 If you can get to Brady, you disrupt everything - but if you commit to going after him and can't - he will shred you. It's a risk reward proposition and most lose. Everything NE does is predicated on match ups and Brady reading the defense to exploit those match ups. Before the ball is snapped, Brady knows where he has advantages and weaknesses - he does not snap the ball into a bad play call. And because he's prepared, the ball is out quickly - 3steps, 2seconds, 1... 2... 3... Completion. It is efficient and lethal once the hurry up pace starts and fatigue/confusion enters into the equation. Agreed. and you need your front 4 to be able to do it without blitzing. (or front 3 with the option of a fourth to go after the QB) If you need to blitz to get to him, you will leave areas open and he will shred you just the same. Blitz is better left as a surprise. if you do it every play, they will figure you out sooner or later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 21, 2015 Blitz is better left as a surprise. if you do it every play, they will figure you out sooner or later. DCs need to just deal their defensive play calls randomly, like poker hands. As soon as one call goes in, deal out the next call. "Okay, and on second down, we're...nickel package!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 21, 2015 also, this is part of it too... everyone except NE is stupid... dumb... from you with your 4 O-linemen on defense to Eli and his "don't score" plan to Pete Carrol throwing it on the 1, to Mike Tomlin using the sneaky 10 defensive players formation and not covering Gronk... Everyone in the NFL, except for Belichick and NE, is stupid - they do stupid stuff, they make stupid plays, they call stupid plays, they manage the clock stupidly, they say stupid stuff before the game, they say stupid stuff after the game - and NE just waits for you to be stupid and then jams your stupidity up your azz. Yesterday in BUF, the Guinness book of world records was there - The Bills set the record for most stupid penalties, the kind that are basically turnovers. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted September 21, 2015 to Ben Roethlisburger not understanding that defensive linemen can shift pre-snap, to John Harbaugh not understanding the ineligible receiver rules... People get so angry and perplexed over NE constantly winning - how??? NE doesn't have JJ Watt. NE Doesn't have Adrian Peterson, NE doesn't Calvin Johnson - how do they win without all the superstars!!?? They must be cheating!!! And it really comes down to this: they are smarter than their opponents. they are more prepared than their opponents. This is so overlooked and under-rated. There is parity in the NFL - every team has the same amount of physical "talent" (pretty much). Jay Cutler probably throws a football further than Tom Brady... heck, Tyrod Taylor might throw a ball further than Tom Brady - and both Jay and Tyrod probably run faster than Tom Brady too... but they have no idea what the fock they are looking at when they stare at the defense before snapping the ball... and what's even better about NE is that not only does Tom Brady know what he's looking at - every player on NE knows, they are required to know - and if they've made a career of simply being faster, bigger, and stronger than the opponent but stil can't "figure it out" the way NE requires, then they leave to play somewhere else or retire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 21, 2015 to Ben Roethlisburger not understanding that defensive linemen can shift pre-snap, to John Harbaugh not understanding the ineligible receiver rules... People get so angry and perplexed over NE constantly winning - how??? NE doesn't have JJ Watt. NE Doesn't have Adrian Peterson, NE doesn't Calvin Johnson - how do they win without all the superstars!!?? They must be cheating!!! And it really comes down to this: they are smarter than their opponents. they are more prepared than their opponents. This is so overlooked and under-rated. There is parity in the NFL - every team has the same amount of physical "talent" (pretty much). Jay Cutler probably throws a football further than Tom Brady... heck, Tyrod Taylor might throw a ball further than Tom Brady - and both Jay and Tyrod probably run faster than Tom Brady too... but they have no idea what the fock they are looking at when they stare at the defense before snapping the ball... and what's even better about NE is that not only does Tom Brady know what he's looking at - every player on NE knows, they are required to know - and if they've made a career of simply being faster, bigger, and stronger than the opponent but stil can't "figure it out" the way NE requires, then they leave to play somewhere else or retire. pretty soon being smarter will be a form of cheating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted September 21, 2015 to Ben Roethlisburger not understanding that defensive linemen can shift pre-snap, to John Harbaugh not understanding the ineligible receiver rules... People get so angry and perplexed over NE constantly winning - how??? NE doesn't have JJ Watt. NE Doesn't have Adrian Peterson, NE doesn't Calvin Johnson - how do they win without all the superstars!!?? They must be cheating!!! And it really comes down to this: they are smarter than their opponents. they are more prepared than their opponents. This is so overlooked and under-rated. There is parity in the NFL - every team has the same amount of physical "talent" (pretty much). Jay Cutler probably throws a football further than Tom Brady... heck, Tyrod Taylor might throw a ball further than Tom Brady - and both Jay and Tyrod probably run faster than Tom Brady too... but they have no idea what the fock they are looking at when they stare at the defense before snapping the ball... and what's even better about NE is that not only does Tom Brady know what he's looking at - every player on NE knows, they are required to know - and if they've made a career of simply being faster, bigger, and stronger than the opponent but stil can't "figure it out" the way NE requires, then they leave to play somewhere else or retire. Tom Coughlin- Patriot Kryptonite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 3,315 Posted September 21, 2015 It's easy: Coaching + Tom Brady. Yesterday they were starting three (THREE!!!) rookie offensive linemen against possibly the best defensive line in the league (sorry Giants, you are has-beens), and yet Brady had a fantastic day and hardly ever felt pressure. Because they had a great game plan and a mastermind executing it. You just can't top that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 21, 2015 It's easy: Coaching + Tom Brady. Yesterday they were starting three (THREE!!!) rookie offensive linemen against possibly the best defensive line in the league (sorry Giants, you are has-beens), and yet Brady had a fantastic day and hardly ever felt pressure. You just can't top that. Truth. Brady is now matchup proof and an every week must start if they can slap around that defense like that. What argument can you make to sit Brady going forward in any other game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted September 21, 2015 Tom Coughlin- Patriot Kryptonite. too bad NE isn't in your Division. too bad you couldn't make it to the SB every year like NE does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted September 21, 2015 too bad NE isn't in your Division. too bad you couldn't make it to the SB every year like NE does. I know. That division is a minefield every year. What with QB'S through the years like Sanchez and Fitzpatrick and EJ Manuel it's a wonder how the Pats win so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bandrus1 413 Posted September 21, 2015 oh like the NFC east has been a huge crop of QB talent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thisdman 0 Posted September 21, 2015 also, this is part of it too... everyone except NE is stupid... dumb... from you with your 4 O-linemen on defense to Eli and his "don't score" plan to Pete Carrol throwing it on the 1, to Mike Tomlin using the sneaky 10 defensive players formation and not covering Gronk... Everyone in the NFL, except for Belichick and NE, is stupid - they do stupid stuff, they make stupid plays, they call stupid plays, they manage the clock stupidly, they say stupid stuff before the game, they say stupid stuff after the game - and NE just waits for you to be stupid and then jams your stupidity up your azz. Yesterday in BUF, the Guinness book of world records was there - The Bills set the record for most stupid penalties, the kind that are basically turnovers. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Why are you calling me stupid? As far as I can tell you are the only one that didn't recognize my original post was hyperbole (you might want to look that word up). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 314 Posted September 21, 2015 Why are you calling me stupid? As far as I can tell you are the only one that didn't recognize my original post was hyperbole (you might want to look that word up). lighten up Francis... HyberBole (HyperBowl) - an exaggeration of excuses by teams that lose to NE, often in the SuperBowl. ex. There was lots of hyperbole over the air pressure in the ball. It was hyperbole to suggest that NE's formation was illegal. In his typical hyperbolic fashion, Rex Ryan predicted a win over NE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 21, 2015 Why are you calling me stupid? Because neither side of the Patriots are good/Patriots cheat debate can manage to find the 'little of column A, little of column B' multiple choice answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 21, 2015 How long you think it will everyone to figure out how the Pats are cheating to win this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 21, 2015 How long you think it will everyone to figure out how the Pats are cheating to win this year? Silly rabbit. Cheaters don't always cheat. That makes it too easy to get caught. The best cheaters, the real geniuses, only cheat some of the time. It's even better to cheat when you're already really good, to make it easier to explain away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 21, 2015 Silly rabbit. Cheaters don't always cheat. That makes it too easy to get caught. The best cheaters, the real geniuses, only cheat some of the time. It's even better to cheat when you're already really good, to make it easier to explain away. shhhhhh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted September 21, 2015 also, this is part of it too... everyone except NE is stupid... dumb... from you with your 4 O-linemen on defense to Eli and his "don't score" plan to Pete Carrol throwing it on the 1, to Mike Tomlin using the sneaky 10 defensive players formation and not covering Gronk... Everyone in the NFL, except for Belichick and NE, is stupid - they do stupid stuff, they make stupid plays, they call stupid plays, they manage the clock stupidly, they say stupid stuff before the game, they say stupid stuff after the game - and NE just waits for you to be stupid and then jams your stupidity up your azz. Yesterday in BUF, the Guinness book of world records was there - The Bills set the record for most stupid penalties, the kind that are basically turnovers. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Totally agree. Coaching wins and makes things look easy. The system allows 3 rookie lineman and a guy out of the league as the main ball carrier. It allowed Matt Cassel look like a good QB. They have talent but nobody can say they have more talent than a lot of other team. Bill says Fock it I am not going to run the ball this week. The following he may use 3 TE and run a nobody RB like Jonas Gray 100 times Every other team will stick to their normal looks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Nice 40 Posted September 21, 2015 Brady on pace for 56 tds. All people talked about alllll week was how great bills passing D was. Sure no problem will throw it 60 times against them and shred them. Take notes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaxjag 43 Posted September 22, 2015 When Tom and his whiteys are on fire, there is no stopping them. By "whiteys", do you mean his undershorts or his receivers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted September 22, 2015 By "whiteys", do you mean his undershorts or his receivers? He only throws to white guys so obviously I mean the wrs. Any good black wr gets run out of town. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
$epphori$ 118 Posted September 22, 2015 He only throws to white guys so obviously I mean the wrs. Any good black wr gets run out of town. thats because it requires intelligence to play WR for the Patriots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magnificent Bastard 190 Posted September 22, 2015 thats because it requires intelligence to play WR for the Patriots Yes. You need to know how to read video taped signals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
