fandandy 3,313 Posted May 31, 2016 “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” edit to add: And some prolly got the focking measles. http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/149662602-story ELOY, Ariz. (AP) -- An outbreak of measles that began with an inmate at a federal detention center for immigrants in central Arizona has now grown to 11 confirmed cases.Pinal County Health Services spokesman Joe Pyritz said Monday that seven of those infected are inmates at the Eloy Detention Center and four are workers at the facility."All 11 cases have been in Pinal County, now we have an exposure in Maricopa County," said Dr. Cara Christ with the AZ Department of Health Services Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I ask again, what's the big deal about a wall? Why are the lefts panties in a bunch about this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 I ask again, what's the big deal about a wall? Why are the lefts panties in a bunch about this? It won't actually keep anybody out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 It won't actually keep anybody out? It will keep some out. Not all, but some. And it will push aot of them to open border spots, making it easier to control. Like funneling them down an alley. It's a basic tenant of securing a location. Make a soft target hard, limit options, and make them go where you want them to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted May 31, 2016 It won't actually keep anybody out? We should abolish goubment too because it doesn't work most of the time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 It will keep some out. Not all, but some. And it will push aot of them to open border spots, making it easier to control. Like funneling them down an alley. It's a basic tenant of securing a location. Make a soft target hard, limit options, and make them go where you want them to go. I don't think Trump is a stupid man so I think he's got to know that the bang for our buck in building a border wall would be incredibly low when you consider how easy it would be to tunnel beneath one not to mention the fact that most people here illegally overstayed their visas and didn't cross the border at all. I think Trump also knows this would not be likely to pass Congress and even if it did, Mexico isn't paying for it. So I can't speak for liberals or the left, but I think Trump deserves some scorn for proposing this stupid plan knowing full well it's not going to happen, just to get the mouthbreathing rubes fired up. He's the candidate for dumb people who like simple solutions to complex problems. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 We should abolish goubment too because it doesn't work most of the time No way, we should spend trillions on the world's biggest pet rock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I don't think Trump is a stupid man so I think he's got to know that the bang for our buck in building a border wall would be incredibly low when you consider how easy it would be to tunnel beneath one not to mention the fact that most people here illegally overstayed their visas and didn't cross the border at all. I think Trump also knows this would not be likely to pass Congress and even if it did, Mexico isn't paying for it. So I can't speak for liberals or the left, but I think Trump deserves some scorn for proposing this stupid plan knowing full well it's not going to happen, just to get the mouthbreathing rubes fired up. He's the candidate for dumb people who like simple solutions to complex problems. So, the way to deal with it is to make laws to prevent illegals from coming here and overstaying? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 31, 2016 It won't actually keep anybody out? Its ineffective, expensive...and so on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 31, 2016 I ask again, what's the big deal about a wall? Why are the lefts panties in a bunch about this? I think a Wall is more symbolic than anything. I'm just not sure how functional and practical a wall is. A wall still has to be manned - and armed to be effective. It just seems to me that a Wall is not modern thinking using modern technology - it's what China did 2,000 years ago to solve their immigration problems. I'm all for immigration reform. I'm all for preventing illegals from entering the country. And I don't like mosquitoes either but I'm not sure that putting a giant net over the entire USA is the best, modern solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 Its ineffective, expensive...and so on. Its effectiveness has yet to be determined. Do you have an example or just saying things? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 So, the way to deal with it is to make laws to prevent illegals from coming here and overstaying? The only real way to deal with it IMO is to go hard after employers who hire illegal workers to the point where it's not worth the risk of getting caught. Building a border wall is not a serious solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 The only real way to deal with it IMO is to go hard after employers who hire illegal workers to the point where it's not worth the risk of getting caught. Building a border wall is not a serious solution. We can go after the employers now. Problem is they own our government. Laws and policy come and go. A wall will last a long time. Amd explain to me again why it won't work? All I hear is it won't, I don't hear why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 31, 2016 once they build it - it's gonna be great - another government bureaucracy... working for the FWA (Federal Wall Authority)... it'll be a coveted federal civil service job... guys retiring after 15 years... guys working their "side job" on laptops on the quiet Wall-over night shifts. Tons a vacation time and promotions. Get a job at the Wall Authority - free tuition reimbursement so when you retire at 40, you can collect that federal pension and get another Federal job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 We can go after the employers now. Problem is they own our government. Laws and policy come and go. A wall will last a long time. Amd explain to me again why it won't work? All I hear is it won't, I don't hear why. I already told you - without any massive increase in border presence it's a matter of tunneling under or dismantling parts of the wall. Forget the cost of building it. What about the costs of policing and maintaining it? Is Mexico going to foot the bill for that too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 31, 2016 Illegal crossings are not as a big a problem as visa overstays and the lack of accountability from employers. Let's spend a few billion on those instead. A wall is silly. People will climb over it, tunnel under it, bribe people to get them through it, etc. If Trump wants to spend billions on a massive infrastructure program, how about bridges and tunnels and stuff? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted May 31, 2016 once they build it - it's gonna be great - another government bureaucracy... working for the FWA (Federal Wall Authority)... it'll be a coveted federal civil service job... guys retiring after 15 years... guys working their "side job" on laptops on the quiet Wall-over night shifts. Tons a vacation time and promotions. Get a job at the Wall Authority - free tuition reimbursement so when you retire at 40, you can collect that federal pension and get another Federal job! Probably be as successful as the TSA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I already told you - without any massive increase in border presence it's a matter of tunneling under or dismantling parts of the wall. Forget the cost of building it. What about the costs of policing and maintaining it? Is Mexico going to foot the bill for that too? Thise tunnels will be easily found. And good, let them put their time and resources into building those tunnels. The tunnels are mainly built by drug smugglers. They aren't going to keep building them if they keep getting closed. Won't take long. And I'll go ahead and take Israels example of keeping people out. They do a pretty good job. Why haven't they gotten rid of theirs if they don't work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I already told you - without any massive increase in border presence it's a matter of tunneling under or dismantling parts of the wall. Forget the cost of building it. What about the costs of policing and maintaining it? Is Mexico going to foot the bill for that too? That's my point, if Mexico pays for it, are you against it? And if they dont, he doesn't get it. So what's the big deal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 That's my point, if Mexico pays for it, are you against it? And if they dont, he doesn't get it. So what's the big deal? The big deal is that Trump knows the wall is a dumb idea that won't happen and Mexico would not pay for it anyway, but he repeats these things to take advantage of the mouthbreathers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 31, 2016 That's my point, if Mexico pays for it, are you against it? And if they dont, he doesn't get it. So what's the big deal? so that's the out? Oh well, Mexico won't pay for it so it's a no-go.... the fact is, it's a bad solution to the problem. Even if Mexico did pay for it... is it effective? is it too costly to man and maintain? Mexico may gladly pay for it and laugh while saddling the US with an ineffective, financial burden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 The big deal is that Trump knows the wall is a dumb idea that won't happen and Mexico would not pay for it anyway, but he repeats these things to take advantage of the mouthbreathers. Sure he does. And the left promises free college and crime without jails and punishment to take advantage of theirs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 Sure he does. And the left promises free college and crime without jails and punishment to take advantage of theirs. Nice attempt at deflection. This thread is about your Lord and Savior Donald Trump. I'm sorry to break this to you but every night he rubs his stubby little fingers together and laughs at how freaking gullible you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 so that's the out? Oh well, Mexico won't pay for it so it's a no-go.... the fact is, it's a bad solution to the problem. Even if Mexico did pay for it... is it effective? is it too costly to man and maintain? Mexico may gladly pay for it and laugh while saddling the US with an ineffective, financial burden. What else is new? They laugh pretty hard now. Every time a new factory gets built that takes American jobs they must really laugh about the time we signed a treaty with them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TD Ryan2 316 Posted May 31, 2016 Sure he does. And the left promises free college and crime without jails and punishment to take advantage of theirs. so, because the lefties are idiots, the righties think they can be idiots too? someday, you dumb asses will figure out that "not being an idiot" is better in the long run for the USA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fandandy 3,313 Posted May 31, 2016 Nice attempt at deflection. This thread is about your Lord and Savior Donald Trump. I'm sorry to break this to you but every night he rubs his stubby little fingers together and laughs at how freaking gullible you are. He doesn't have small hands!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 Nice attempt at deflection. This thread is about your Lord and Savior Donald Trump. I'm sorry to break this to you but every night he rubs his stubby little fingers together and laughs at how freaking gullible you are. You're wrong. I'm no Trumpite. I could rip him to shreds a lot better than you ninnies can. Crying about walls and name calling. Trump promises his idiots a wall, Hillary promises hers shangri-la, that she'll take care of those evil cops and rich people who have done them wrong. Just forget they did it with her help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,898 Posted May 31, 2016 once they build it - it's gonna be great - another government bureaucracy... working for the FWA (Federal Wall Authority)... it'll be a coveted federal civil service job... guys retiring after 15 years... guys working their "side job" on laptops on the quiet Wall-over night shifts. Tons a vacation time and promotions. Get a job at the Wall Authority - free tuition reimbursement so when you retire at 40, you can collect that federal pension and get another Federal job! I remember way back when TSA started people thought that would be a great gubment job to have Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 so, because the lefties are idiots, the righties think they can be idiots too? someday, you dumb asses will figure out that "not being an idiot" is better in the long run for the USA. I'm no rightie first of all, and yeah, this time around, both sides are pandering to idiots. What else to they have to offer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 You're wrong. I'm no Trumpite. I could rip him to shreds a lot better than you ninnies can. Crying about walls and name calling. Trump promises his idiots a wall, Hillary promises hers shangri-la, that she'll take care of those evil cops and rich people who have done them wrong. Just forget they did it with her help. I find it really hard to believe you're not a Trumpite since you are always first in line to make excuses and deflect on his behalf in every Trump related thread. I will give you this though, you held off on the "B-b-but Hillary!" as long as you possibly could. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I remember way back when TSA started people thought that would be a great gubment job to have Worked there for 3 months after I retired. It's as bad as you think it is. It's necessary, but it needs to be flushed and started over. People with zero life experience who are programmed to follow every stupid rule, never able to make a decision. . It would be a great agency if they staffed it with ex military and retired police ect. Not housewives and idiots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,809 Posted May 31, 2016 I ask again, what's the big deal about a wall? Why are the lefts panties in a bunch about this? Less Democratic voters entering the country... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I find it really hard to believe you're not a Trumpite since you are always first in line to make excuses and deflect on his behalf in every Trump related thread. I will give you this though, you held off on the "B-b-but Hillary!" as long as you possibly could. I'm disgusted with the democrats, so I use trump as an excuse to point out how f-ud up the democrats have become. They got nothin but invented social BS. Obamas second term has been horrible. And I'll say it again, Trump is the distraction , Hillary and her kind are the real problem. This election should be a slam dunk for them. Instead she's going to barely win and get one term. Then the right will do whatever they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 I'm disgusted with the democrats, so I use trump as an excuse to point out how f-ud up the democrats have become. Trump is just as bad. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 Trump is just as bad. HTH. Not because of a wall or calling names. But sleep tight knowing he won't win, but it's just putting off the inevitable right wing storm that will happen next time. They bought themselves four years. Don't count on the right running a flawed candidate again. Better come up with something besides co-Ed bathrooms and taxing the rich. Because we all know the latter ain't happening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 Not because of a wall or calling names. But sleep tight knowing he won't win, but it's just putting off the inevitable right wing storm that will happen next time. They bought themselves four years. Don't count on the right running a flawed candidate again. Better come up with something besides co-Ed bathrooms and taxing the rich. Because we all know the latter ain't happening. I disagree: I think Trump's complete lack of dignity and willingness to play on the bigotries and anger of his supporters actually is a bad thing worth talking about. Call my crazy but I think the potential leader of the free world should not act like a 12-year-old or put forth policies that he knows are stupid and won't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted May 31, 2016 I disagree: I think Trump's complete lack of dignity and willingness to play on the bigotries and anger of his supporters actually is a bad thing worth talking about. Call my crazy but I think the potential leader of the free world should not act like a 12-year-old or put forth policies that he knows are stupid and won't happen. Well, you are arguing with a 12 year old who seems to think the wall is actually a good idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted May 31, 2016 I disagree: I think Trump's complete lack of dignity and willingness to play on the bigotries and anger of his supporters actually is a bad thing worth talking about. Call my crazy but I think the potential leader of the free world should not act like a 12-year-old or put forth policies that he knows are stupid and won't happen. Im pretty confident he won't win. He will come closer than he should, which is an indictment on the left. The fact that he will do better than Romney says a lot about the last 8 years and Hillary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted May 31, 2016 I disagree: I think Trump's complete lack of dignity and willingness to play on the bigotries and anger of his supporters actually is a bad thing worth talking about. Call my crazy but I think the potential leader of the free world should not act like a 12-year-old or put forth policies that he knows are stupid and won't happen. what age is an adult acting when they bark like a dog ? For perspective sake... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,881 Posted May 31, 2016 what age is an adult acting when they bark like a dog ? For perspective sake... "B-b-but Hillary!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
