Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: Occam's Razor pretty much sums up this case. Not really. Try to explain and I will punch a bunch of holes in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Not really. Try to explain and I will punch a bunch of holes in it. For starts explain the pineapple that Jon Bennett ate that night ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 33 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: For starts explain the pineapple that Jon Bennett ate that night ? Well you said Occam's Razor so I thought you were going to have an explanation that makes this simple and obvious to make sense. https://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=35 From the autopsy: " G.I. Tract: The esophagus is empty.It is lined by gray-white mucosa. The stomach contains a small amount (8-10 cc) of viscous to green to tan colored thick mucous material without particulate matter identified. The gastric mucosa is autolyzed but contains no areas of hemorrhage or ulceration. The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple." For years we understood this pineapple was the same as the fresh pineapple found in a dish in the Ramsey dining area. The argument came when some (BORG) believed the Ramseys fed it to her after they got home from the Whites so believed they had caught the parents in a lie. Some IDI theorists argued the killer could have fed it to her after luring her from her bed. Even others, I included, felt it was eaten LONG before her murder, just before the family went to the Whites' for their Christmas dinner. Recently, Paula Woodward wrote a book where she does not share the police reports but states that a police report states that there were the remains of not only pineapple but also grapes and cherries found in her intestines. That would lead one to believe fruit cocktail was served at the Whites - but in no Ramsey or White interview that we have access to is anyone even ASKED about fruit cocktail being served. From u/paulawoodwardama: The contents of the stomach/intestine were in a mixture contained in a test tube. In October 1997, Boulder police contacted University of Colorado scientists to test the mixture. They replied on December 25, 1997 and with a final written report on January of 1998. The mixture they tested contained cherries, pineapple, grapes and grape skins. https://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=1502 "The pineapple is not evidence that the Ramseys were lying. It is in the stomach generally 2 hours. It is then in the intestines 3 to 24 hours. Dr. Michael Grham said it could have been eaten the day before." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 Explain Burke's voice talking on the 911 call when patsy told LE he was in bed all night ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 29 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: Explain Burke's voice talking on the 911 call when patsy told LE he was in bed all night ? His voice isn't on there. Listen to the audio for yourself. More false information making the public focus on the Ramsey's just as the police did. Why am I trying to prove this. YOU prove one of the Ramsey's is guilty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 GREAT quote by Trip Demuth https://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=2264 07-24-2023, 05:08 PM found on page 14 in the presentation he gave to LE in May 1998. "If you don't ID the foreign DNA. How do you prove it wasn't the person who left the pubic hair, or the footprint, or the palm print, the knife, the cord, the duct tape, or used the stun gun, or who took the missing end of the paint brush with him?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 43 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: Explain Burke's voice talking on the 911 call when patsy told LE he was in bed all night ? https://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=699 jameson 03-25-2017, 03:48 PM I posted this long ago, right after the tape was released Lin has the tape and the legal right to let others hear it. He has already started to share it. Barrie Hartman heard it and this is what he published yesterday: "About the tape: Neither experts from the FBI nor the Secret Service could hear anything in the background, let alone Burke's voice. I have listened to the tape, and all I could hear was a very, very hysterical mother sobbing to a 911 dispatcher that her child had been kidnapped. I doubt that any fair-minded person would consider Patsy guilty after hearing the bone-chilling tape. Patsy's panicked cry for help is as real as it gets." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted July 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Gepetto said: You don't know she was up all night. She could have neatly put the clothes she wore over a chair or in a closet and went to sleep. Wake up, put on a robe, walk down the spiral staircase find the note, look for JonBenet, hollar at John, look for Burke, call the police, call her friends to come over, get dressed back in the same clothes that were right there handy. If she's some great mastermind that avoided arrest, she would have thought to change clothes, if that was important at all. This Oliva guy was close to the Ramsey home, was a child pornographer, pedophile, burglar, and called his friend the next day to tell him he hurt a young girl. The friend says this was before the news got out that a girl was murdered. He called or went to the police immediately and they ignored him, he tried again a month or so later and the police ignored him. He's still going to the media telling what he knows. True, all possible. Then again how many women (while on holiday and don’t have to be anywhere) wake up at 5 am, put on full make up, do their hair, put on the same clothes from the evening before, and casually mosey on down to make coffee? Patsy would have have to have gotten up at 4 am to pull that off. And who goes to all that trouble to ready themselves only to put back on the exact same clothes, down to the slacks, from the night before - at 5:30 am? If they were shorts and t-shirt maybe, but not full fledged dinner party attire. Possibles are great, but there comes a time when the weight of their absurdity collapses under common sense…. I’ve no bias against the Ramseys, all I care about is finding the killer. If it’s this Gary dude, great - I’ll gladly accept and put it to bed. Just bring me something, something tangible. So far the few bits of evidence we do have all points to a family member killing her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 3 hours ago, Cruzer said: True, all possible. Then again how many women (while on holiday and don’t have to be anywhere) wake up at 5 am, put on full make up, do their hair, put on the same clothes from the evening before, and casually mosey on down to make coffee? Patsy would have have to have gotten up at 4 am to pull that off. And who goes to all that trouble to ready themselves only to put back on the exact same clothes, down to the slacks, from the night before - at 5:30 am? If they were shorts and t-shirt maybe, but not full fledged dinner party attire. Possibles are great, but there comes a time when the weight of their absurdity collapses under common sense…. I’ve no bias against the Ramseys, all I care about is finding the killer. If it’s this Gary dude, great - I’ll gladly accept and put it to bed. Just bring me something, something tangible. So far the few bits of evidence we do have all points to a family member killing her. Nothing points to a family member killing her. What evidence, one fiber on duct tape? Is that all? Where is the roll of duct tape? The house cleaner says she never saw a duct tape like that in the house. Where is the end of the paint brush handle? Where is the weapon she was hit over the head with? Whose unidentified male DNA was in the panties and long johns? Who left the Hi-Tec footprint? JonBenet was alive when the garotte was used to tighten the rope around her neck as evidenced by fingernail marks on her neck and petechial hemorrhages. Meaning it was NOT staged. That is torture and probably for some deviants sexual perversion satisfaction. How does a family member from this family do that? There is no evidence of any abuse by these parents. It would take an extreme amount of psychopathy in a person to do that. Who left the palm print? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 I have to disagree with the 911 call and you can hear Burke say what did you find pretty clear. The biggest problem with the Ramsey's is the ransom note. Nobody stays at a crime scene to write a note that would take at least a hour, makes no sense whatsoever. Had it been written beforehand then that's something else. The fact the LE couldn't role Patsy out to writing it just adds to it. Also who calls that many friends over when there is a crises going on like that ? Bizarre! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Couldn't rule Patsy out but she was a 4.5 out of 5 on a writing comparison scale and 5 means definitely did not write the note. I would agree the note would not have been written after the murder by an intruder. I think an intruder was in the house for hours while the Ramsey's were out and that the intruder wrote the note while in the house waiting. He would have had plenty of time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Couldn't rule Patsy out but she was a 4.5 out of 5 on a writing comparison scale and 5 means definitely did not write the note. I would agree the note would not have been written after the murder by an intruder. I think an intruder was in the house for hours while the Ramsey's were out and that the intruder wrote the note while in the house waiting. He would have had plenty of time. Why even write the note in the first place if the intruder plans were to moister her and then killer her and leave her body there? Puts more risk on the intruder to get caught. The note helps to back up the Ramsey's story and mostly likely why it was written. Why I say the case is Occam's Razor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 1 minute ago, BeenHereBefore said: Why even write the note in the first place if the intruder plans were to moister her and then killer her and leave her body there? Puts more risk on the intruder to get caught. The note helps to back up the Ramsey's story and mostly likely why it was written. Why I say the case is Occam's Razor. I don't know what the killer's plan was and if it went to plan or went off-script. Having the note ready and on the upstairs stairs would give the killer time to get out of the house because he would be alerted by hearing the parent(s) awake when they wake up and find the ransom note. It could have been a delay tactic, a planned kidnapping for ransom money, or just put there to mess with the parents and written for the kidnapper/killer's own devious reasons in their mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gepetto said: I don't know what the killer's plan was and if it went to plan or went off-script. Having the note ready and on the upstairs stairs would give the killer time to get out of the house because he would be alerted by hearing the parent(s) awake when they wake up and find the ransom note. It could have been a delay tactic, a planned kidnapping for ransom money, or just put there to mess with the parents and written for the kidnapper/killer's own devious reasons in their mind. That's pretty thin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,489 Posted July 26, 2023 There is a theory out there that she was killed by the deep state...all kinds of conspiracy/theories about her father's business dealings, famous pedophiles and the child pageant rings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Just now, BeenHereBefore said: That's pretty thin. The evidence: - Ransom note - a Hi-Tec boot footprint - a palm print - unknown male DNA - pineapple in milk in bowl (if that can even be called evidence or related at all) Evidence not found - weapon used to bludgeon - end of paintbrush - duct tape roll I may have forgotten or not thought of some things in the lists above. Certainly there are many more details to the crime scene. Please explain what evidence points to a Ramsey? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: That's pretty thin. How can you say that. I gave three different possible explanations for the purpose of the Ramsey note. How can you say for one that it wasn't a legit Ransom note with the intent to kidnap that ended in murder? I refer you to the Leopold and Loeb case - same thing happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gepetto said: The evidence: - Ransom note - a Hi-Tec boot footprint - a palm print - unknown male DNA - pineapple in milk in bowl (if that can even be called evidence or related at all) Evidence not found - weapon used to bludgeon - end of paintbrush - duct tape roll I may have forgotten or not thought of some things in the lists above. Certainly there are many more details to the crime scene. Please explain what evidence points to a Ramsey? Speaking of the Hi-Tech boot print and was mentioned somewhere that Burke had a pair with a compass on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Just now, BeenHereBefore said: Speaking of the Hi-Tech boot print and was mentioned somewhere that Burke had a pair with a compass on them. It wasn't his. Wrong shoe size by a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, Gepetto said: How can you say that. I gave three different possible explanations for the purpose of the Ramsey note. How can you say for one that it wasn't a legit Ransom note with the intent to kidnap that ended in murder? I refer you to the Leopold and Loeb case - same thing happened. I'm aware of the Leopold & Loeb case and their motive was to see if they could pull of the perfect crime / what if felt like to kill.. There was no sexual aspect of it and The Idaho Murders fits that case more then Jon Bennett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Gepetto said: It wasn't his. Wrong shoe size by a lot. size 8 ? Pretty short for a adult male IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: size 8 ? Pretty short for a adult male IMO. I don't know. The Hi-Tech boot was never matched to Burke's shoes or anyone elses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 Just now, Gepetto said: I don't know. The Hi-Tech boot was never matched to Burke's shoes or anyone elses. Okay got ya and what I read it was a size 8. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said: I'm aware of the Leopold & Loeb case and their motive was to see if they could pull of the perfect crime / what if felt like to kill.. There was no sexual aspect of it and The Idaho Murders fits that case more then Jon Bennett. My point is there was a ransom note and a killing involved in that case. You asked what was the reason for the ransom note in the JonBenet case. This is an example of that similarity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Another example of a ransom note and a dead child was the other very famous case - At the Lindbergh home in Hopewell, N.J., on the night of March 1, 1932, the kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby climbed by ladder into the second-story nursery and left a ransom note demanding $50,000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gepetto said: My point is there was a ransom note and a killing involved in that case. You asked what was the reason for the ransom note in the JonBenet case. This is an example of that similarity. Okay got ya and both ransom notes no one intended to collect a actual ransom. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Adolph Coors murder summer of 1960 kidnapping, typed ransom note, murder https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/-a-look-back-at-the-coors-kidnapping-case Just another example of a kidnapping that ended with murder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Another example of a ransom note and a dead child was the other very famous case - At the Lindbergh home in Hopewell, N.J., on the night of March 1, 1932, the kidnapper of the Lindbergh baby climbed by ladder into the second-story nursery and left a ransom note demanding $50,000. But there was still attempts to collect the ransom later in that case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 1 minute ago, BeenHereBefore said: Okay got ya and both ransom notes no one intended to collect a actual ransom. Yes, but they had bad intentions from the beginning, they were bad guys. Didn't care about life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 26, 2023 Just now, BeenHereBefore said: But there was still attempts to collect the ransom later in that case. Yes, I'm just throwing out examples that a ransom note and killing happen with or without intent to collect, just like possibly in the Ramsey case one of those scenarios may have occurred. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 26, 2023 So the Hi-Tec print did belong to Burke. Craig Silverman: That’s probably the most interesting aspect because for a while, it was a sensational piece of evidence. A shoeprint, what they considered to be an intruder, in fact, in their book, Death of Innocence, the Ramseys cited this as a major factor why this had to be an intruder. Now apparently, Boulder law enforcement is convinced this shoe belongs to Burke Ramsey. Still, team Ramsey denies that that’s the case. You wonder why Boulder law enforcement is so certain that it belongs to Burke Ramsey, and why the Ramseys are still denying it. It also begs the question, what happened to this hi-tec boot that belonged to Burke Ramsey? Under what circumstances did it disappear? It doesn’t appear that anybody has possession, and why are the Ramseys so emphatic in denying that this was Burke’s boot? It would seem that most parents, especially most mothers, would know what kind of shoes their child had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 27, 2023 2 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said: So the Hi-Tec print did belong to Burke. Craig Silverman: That’s probably the most interesting aspect because for a while, it was a sensational piece of evidence. A shoeprint, what they considered to be an intruder, in fact, in their book, Death of Innocence, the Ramseys cited this as a major factor why this had to be an intruder. Now apparently, Boulder law enforcement is convinced this shoe belongs to Burke Ramsey. Still, team Ramsey denies that that’s the case. You wonder why Boulder law enforcement is so certain that it belongs to Burke Ramsey, and why the Ramseys are still denying it. It also begs the question, what happened to this hi-tec boot that belonged to Burke Ramsey? Under what circumstances did it disappear? It doesn’t appear that anybody has possession, and why are the Ramseys so emphatic in denying that this was Burke’s boot? It would seem that most parents, especially most mothers, would know what kind of shoes their child had. I mean that's a quote, but the fact is Boulder Police never matched Burke's shoe to that shoeprint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Gepetto said: I mean that's a quote, but the fact is Boulder Police never matched Burke's shoe to that shoeprint. Burke did admit to owning a pair of Hi-Tech which Jon and Patsy denied anyone in the family ever owned a pair. From that quote Denver LE was pretty convinced they was Burke's prints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 27, 2023 jameson http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm Member since 5-8-02 07-02-06, 07:48 PM (EST) "Not Burke's Boots" The footprint found in the basement room was approximately an adult size 9-1/2. Burke got new shoes on January 7, 1997 -- they were youth size 5. The shoes Burke owned that some say were "Hi-Tec" may have been "high-tech" - but they were far from a size 9 1/2. Those shoes were his when he was wearing children's size 2 or 3. The authorities know all this and the BORG are wasting their time trying to make the print in the basement Burke's. ------------------------------------------------------- jameson Member since 5-8-02 07-03-06, 10:21 AM (EST) 11. "RE: Burke's Boots?" In response to message #10 The information I have on the bootprint came from the investigators working on the case - - including someone inside the CBI. The source on Burke's boots came from a close family friend who actually took Burke shopping for shoes in the weeks following the murder! Remember, the Ramseys didn't get to move out of their house - - most of their stuff stayed in the house for weeks, months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gepetto said: jameson http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-prints-hand-foot.htm Member since 5-8-02 07-02-06, 07:48 PM (EST) "Not Burke's Boots" The footprint found in the basement room was approximately an adult size 9-1/2. Burke got new shoes on January 7, 1997 -- they were youth size 5. The shoes Burke owned that some say were "Hi-Tec" may have been "high-tech" - but they were far from a size 9 1/2. Those shoes were his when he was wearing children's size 2 or 3. The authorities know all this and the BORG are wasting their time trying to make the print in the basement Burke's. That is the same site I got the quote from. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,368 Posted July 27, 2023 Now I found this -- Unidentified palm prints and footprints found near the body of JonBenet Ramsey were made by relatives of the girl and not by an intruder, the Rocky Mountain News reported today. Quoting an anonymous source, the newspaper said investigators have known for some time that the footprint found near the body of the 6-year-old girl actually belonged to her brother, Burke, and that a palm print was left by her adult half-sister, Melinda -- and that both prints were unrelated to the unsolved murder. The body of JonBenet, a former Little Miss Colorado, was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the Boulder, Colo., home of her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, on Dec. 26, 1996. Boulder police publicly cleared Burke Ramsey, now 15, of any involvement in his sister's killing, and determined that Melinda Ramsey was not in Colorado at the time of the murder. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/08/24/jonbenet-prints-identified/f7e504a3-1e13-47b7-80f9-6ea74d385ec6/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gepetto said: Now I found this -- Unidentified palm prints and footprints found near the body of JonBenet Ramsey were made by relatives of the girl and not by an intruder, the Rocky Mountain News reported today. Quoting an anonymous source, the newspaper said investigators have known for some time that the footprint found near the body of the 6-year-old girl actually belonged to her brother, Burke, and that a palm print was left by her adult half-sister, Melinda -- and that both prints were unrelated to the unsolved murder. The body of JonBenet, a former Little Miss Colorado, was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the Boulder, Colo., home of her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, on Dec. 26, 1996. Boulder police publicly cleared Burke Ramsey, now 15, of any involvement in his sister's killing, and determined that Melinda Ramsey was not in Colorado at the time of the murder. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2002/08/24/jonbenet-prints-identified/f7e504a3-1e13-47b7-80f9-6ea74d385ec6/ Keystone Cops. Burke was interviewed and admitted to owning a pair with a compass on them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted July 27, 2023 11 hours ago, Gepetto said: Nothing points to a family member killing her. What evidence, one fiber on duct tape? Is that all? Where is the roll of duct tape? The house cleaner says she never saw a duct tape like that in the house. Where is the end of the paint brush handle? Where is the weapon she was hit over the head with? Whose unidentified male DNA was in the panties and long johns? Who left the Hi-Tec footprint? JonBenet was alive when the garotte was used to tighten the rope around her neck as evidenced by fingernail marks on her neck and petechial hemorrhages. Meaning it was NOT staged. That is torture and probably for some deviants sexual perversion satisfaction. How does a family member from this family do that? There is no evidence of any abuse by these parents. It would take an extreme amount of psychopathy in a person to do that. Who left the palm print? Nothing outside of the opinion of 1 "handwriting expert" (picked by John) points to an intruder killing her either. In fact , nothing outside of Miss Cleo's handwritting opinion links this Gary dude to the crime. That house was gigantic, any of the missing items could have been hidden in there anywhere. And keep in mind, the same Keystone Cop clowns investigating the murder were also the ones searching the house - no shock things weren't found. There was a Maglite flashlight sitting on the counter, clear as day in the photos - could have easily been the weapon used to hit JB on the head. JB was found in underwear sized 12, she wore a 6. Those were clearly not here undies - who wore them before is a good question, the dna could have come from there. The footprint and palm print - nobody has any idea when they were put there. They could have been there days, weeks, months earlier. One things for sure, they don't belong to the Gary dude. Kind of funny this so-called killer had the foresight to bring his own duct tape and murder weapon, yet didn't think to bring a pre-written ransom note? He decided it would be a good idea to lounge around the house, risk leaving trace evidence on the pen and notepad, and take his sweet ass time constructing a 3 pager - yea that makes sense. The killer also (apparently) had a diagram of the house, knew exactly where to go in that big ass mansion. In the dark he navigated his way upstairs, straight to JB's room, certain not to disturb anyone else, then came downstairs, flicked on the kitchen lights, casually cut JB up some pineapple and fed it to her as he constructed War and Peace... Oh, then he molested and killed her after all that............... Yea that makes even more sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeenHereBefore 1,518 Posted July 30, 2023 Was out Ross a bit ago sneaker shopping for Converse and they didn't have any, saw these Hi-Tech steel toe oil resistant Black Boots for $30 bucks and couldn't pass them up. With all the Hi-Tech talk I had to buy them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,995 Posted July 30, 2023 3 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said: Was out Ross a bit ago sneaker shopping for Converse and they didn't have any, saw these Hi-Tech steel toe oil resistant Black Boots for $30 bucks and couldn't pass them up. With all the Hi-Tech talk I had to buy them. I just moved you up to #2 on the suspects list, right behind a Ramsey family member. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites