Jon Benet Ramsey

[MLCKAA 540]

There were 2 sets of stun gun marks on her body.  It wasn’t anyone in the family.

[BeenHereBefore 1,457]

3 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

There were 2 sets of stun gun marks on her body.  It wasn’t anyone in the family.

No one in the family could own one ?

[BeenHereBefore 1,457]

Also if we want to go down that rabbit hole I believe one or more of the Detectives thought they was the train track marks.

[Cruzer 1,995]

9 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

There were 2 sets of stun gun marks on her body.  It wasn’t anyone in the family.

Again - in  line with common sense/deductive reasoning (cs/dr): the “Foreign Faction” killers had the foresight to bring duct tape, a weapon to smash JB’s skull AND a stun gun - but not a pre-written ransom note?? They thought it would be a good idea to spend 30 minutes or so drafting one in the house, with the Ramsey’s own pen and paper?? 
 

Doesn’t add up. 

[MLCKAA 540]

3 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

No one in the family could own one ?

No one in the family owned one.

[BeenHereBefore 1,457]

25 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

No one in the family owned one.

If they did and they was the killer do you really think they are going to tell LE that they own one?  I bet Patsy wore expensive jewelry and would not be uncommon for her to have some kinda protection in her purse, stun gin , mace etc. And like I mentioned a detective thought the marks could have came from Burke's train tracks and not a stun gun.

[MLCKAA 540]

17 minutes ago, BeenHereBefore said:

If they did and they was the killer do you really think they are going to tell LE that they own one?  I bet Patsy wore expensive jewelry and would not be uncommon for her to have some kinda protection in her purse, stun gin , mace etc. And like I mentioned a detective thought the marks could have came from Burke's train tracks and not a stun gun.

You’re looking for reasons that stun gun marks aren’t from a stun gun.  I took an unusually large egg from the carton a few days ago.  Oooh— MAYBE it was actually a duck egg instead of just a really large chicken egg.

[BeenHereBefore 1,457]

13 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

You’re looking for reasons that stun gun marks aren’t from a stun gun.  I took an unusually large egg from the carton a few days ago.  Oooh— MAYBE it was actually a duck egg instead of just a really large chicken egg.

I'm point out that some in LE didn't think it was a stun gun. If it was a stun gun then you believe the Ramsey's didn't own one cause they said they didn't ? Must be true cause they wouldn't lie. They lied about no one in the family owning Hi-Tech shoes but they wouldn't lie about the stun gun?

[Cruzer 1,995]

Speaking of lying......The Ramsey's told Denver PD that they had plans to fly to Michigan that morning to see family... Later after JB's body was found, John called his pilot and told him to ready the plane, they were headed to Atlanta. When questioned by investigators, John told them he had an important business meeting to attend. 

So, the day after Xmas, John had an important business meeting to attend to - makes sense, all the big business meetings occur the day after Xmas. Even though he and his family had plans to fly to Michigan already. 

Yea right John, sure. 

[Gepetto 1,288]

7 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Also if we want to go down that rabbit hole I believe one or more of the Detectives thought they was the train track marks.

A, no, those aren't detectives on the case, those were retired or lost their job kooks that made money by creating a tv show. Burke Ramsey was paid a ton of money as a result of a lawsuit against them. See, judges go by facts.

[Gepetto 1,288]

5 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Again - in  line with common sense/deductive reasoning (cs/dr): the “Foreign Faction” killers had the foresight to bring duct tape, a weapon to smash JB’s skull AND a stun gun - but not a pre-written ransom note?? They thought it would be a good idea to spend 30 minutes or so drafting one in the house, with the Ramsey’s own pen and paper?? 
 

Doesn’t add up. 

That makes perfect sense. They brought their tools for murder, you forgot to mention they brought string by the way, and then sitting in the empty house for hours waiting for the Ramsey's to return they were bored and past the time writing that Ransom note that no one understands, that would make sense they just wrote it out of boredom to kill time and to mess with the parents some more.

[Cruzer 1,995]

9 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

That makes perfect sense. They brought their tools for murder, you forgot to mention they brought string by the way, and then sitting in the empty house for hours waiting for the Ramsey's to return they were bored and past the time writing that Ransom note that no one understands, that would make sense they just wrote it out of boredom to kill time and to mess with the parents some more.

Yes, bcoz everyone knows after breaking and entering into one's home for a kidnapping - it's common practice for killers (while still in the home) to find ways to entertain themselves in moments of boredom. In this particular instance, our crafty killers decided writing a 3-page ransom note was the best way to pass the time. Never mind they risked being, you know, discovered in the home, never mind they risked leaving trace evidence behind on the notepad and pen - they were so bored they figured why not spend an extra 45 mins on the job since they didn't bring the corn hole boards.... 

Yea, makes total sense. 

[Gepetto 1,288]

4 minutes ago, Cruzer said:

Yes, bcoz everyone knows after breaking and entering into one's home for a kidnapping - it's common practice for killers (while still in the home) to find ways to entertain themselves in moments of boredom. In this particular instance, our crafty killers decided writing a 3-page ransom note was the best way to pass the time. Never mind they risked being, you know, discovered in the home, never mind they risked leaving trace evidence behind on the notepad and pen - they were so bored they figured why not spend an extra 45 mins on the job since they didn't bring the corn hole boards.... 

Yea, makes total sense. 

Explain how it makes sense for a Ramsey to write the note and do the killing in the way it was done?

[MLCKAA 540]

8 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Explain how it makes sense for a Ramsey to write the note and do the killing in the way it was done?

Nothing points to the Ramseys.

[Cruzer 1,995]

On 7/30/2023 at 6:29 PM, Gepetto said:

Explain how it makes sense for a Ramsey to write the note and do the killing in the way it was done?

I don't' know Patsy did it, nor do I know Burke or John did it either.... And guess what? You don't have a shred of PROOF an intruder or some Foreign Faction dude did it either. 

Given the lack of red-handed evidence, I stick to about the only thing I do have - common sense and deductive reasoning. From there I draw conclusions. 

Just a few examples: 

* Xmas night, the one time of year families are most likely to be home, most likely to have kids staying up late, most likely to have guests or family members at their house, most likely to have neighbors at home staying up late and friends/family members at their house - this is the night someone plans a break-in home abduction? This is the night a Foreign Faction figures is their best chance to secretly pull off a kidnapping??? These dudes counted on sneaking around a house and not been seen by neighbors or someone else in the house being up celebrating the Xmas holiday?? Give me a break. 

* Who (once again) gets up at 4'something am to get fully dressed, put on full makeup, do their hair and put on the exact same Xmas party outfit from the night before just to make coffee??? You can hear Patsy clear as day say on the 911 call that they just woke up, so she was obviously asleep - she got all decked out to make coffee that morning? And speaking of Patsy - if ever lived a self-absorbed, pretentious, image conscious, fashion diva, it was Patsy. This woman lived as a real-life Barbie, so much in fact she forced her 6-year-old daughter into pageants just to relive her gloria days. You honestly believe she got up to make coffee and put on her entire outfit from the night before, down to the slacks and heals.....really??

*  I'm sorry, but nobody who goes thru the planning to bring their own rope, murder weapon and duct tape - no way in hell they don't bring a pre-written ransom note too. It's a home break-in, a kidnapping - no criminal ever assumed the acceptable risk to spend as much time in the home as they could. Like I said, it was Xmas night, they just assumed nobody was up late, figured the coast was clear to lounge around the kitchen and take their sweet ass time? Which is another point, it was the kitchen - the most popular/used room in the house. If ever someone was going to be up or wake up in the middle of the night, they'd notice the lights on there and investigate.

* The house... this thing was 4 stories and 7,000 sq ft. The Foreign Faction dudes broke in and in the dark, knew exactly what floor and what room JB was in? They knew exactly what staircase to take to get to her, knew exactly how to secretly find and take her from her room undetected? At 7000 sq ft and 4 floors, I'd struggle to do it in the middle of the day. 

* The ransom note clearly said not to contact the police or their daughter would not only be killed, but BEHEADED. So what does Patsy do, after calling the police (which makes sense) she calls everyone in her rolodex! Was she not the least bit worried they really were being watched, that they really might behead JB? She just said, what the hell, and rolled the dice? 

* 10'oclock - the ransom note said they'd call by 10 am... 10 o'clock came and went and not a soul (last named Ramsey) made mention of it. Call me crazy but if my kid is abducted and there's a ransom note saying they're calling at a certain time, I'm planning like a mofo for that call! I've got a recording device set up, I'm sitting by the phone 30 minutes prior, I'm pacing back and forth so anxious I can't stand it.......................yet nothing, John and Patsy never even batted an eye. In fact, 10 am came and passed and neither of them ever even noticed. 

 

Like I said, I have zero proof John, Patsy or Burke killed JB.. But the preponderance of common sense leads me to believe the killer lived in that house. These are just a few of the examples that come to mind - I've got many more. 

[MLCKAA 540]

The new Netflix special really doesn’t have anything new or groundbreaking.

[jbycho 589]

Everyone knows the kid was killed on January 6th and a Trump voter killed her. Duh. 

[edjr 6,578]

some of you nitwits probably think Steven Avery did it

[BiffTannen 868]

54 minutes ago, edjr said:

some of you nitwits probably think Steven Avery did it

Glavine or  Smoltz imo 

[Twinsdad 53]

They have DNA evidence.  I'm surprised they haven't gone the genealogy route yet.

[MLCKAA 540]

7 minutes ago, Twinsdad said:

They have DNA evidence.  I'm surprised they haven't gone the genealogy route yet.

That’s just about the only new thing in this doc— the family wants police to look at genetic genealogy.  Seems like a no-brainer.  I hope they do it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

22 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

The new Netflix special really doesn’t have anything new or groundbreaking.

I'm shocked!!!