Jon Benet Ramsey

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

So I know nothing of the case other than the main points then whatever I read here.

 

She died at home with her brother asleep? Where were her parents at the time?

 

There were there however the brother was not asleep. The parents contend that Jon Bonet went right to bed once they got home from the party. The undigested portions of pineapple in her stomach suggest otherwise. The bowl of pineapple was prepared after the party but before the morning and was still out with the brother's fingerprints on it.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

 

There were there however the brother was not asleep. The parents contend that Jon Bonet went right to bed once they got home from the party. The undigested portions of pineapple in her stomach suggest otherwise. The bowl of pineapple was prepared after the party but before the morning and was still out with the brother's fingerprints on it.

So they just slept threw their childs murder?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

So they just slept threw their childs murder?

 

If you believe they had nothing to do with it, then yes.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

 

If you believe they had nothing to do with it, then yes.

I dont with the bullet points I understand.

 

Is it enough to have convicted them?no probably not, but anyone who is reasonable would say they more than likely had something to do with it.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I dont with the bullet points I understand.

 

Is it enough to have convicted them?no probably not, but anyone who is reasonable would say they more than likely had something to do with it.

 

Patsy Ramsey died of cancer a few years ago. NFW does a Prosecutor charge the brother or father. A hack lawyer could destroy any case against them.

[MDC 7,124]

Did the Geek Club solve this 20 year old cold case yet?

[Cruzer 1,995]

Did the Geek Club solve this 20 year old cold case yet?

It's not official, but it's looking like:

 

Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with a lead pipe.

[Scary Gary 19]

Have they ruled out suicide?

[OldMaid 2,129]

The documentary said the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head, and that the strangulation occurred postmortem. The head wound seemed to match a flashlight that was on the kitchen counter, that was conveniently wiped of all prints, That was most likely the murder weapon. The rest was all staged to make it look like an intruder.

[Gepetto 1,288]

That has so many holes in it and I can refute everything said.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

The documentary said the cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head, and that the strangulation occurred postmortem. The head wound seemed to match a flashlight that was on the kitchen counter, that was conveniently wiped of all prints, That was most likely the murder weapon. The rest was all staged to make it look like an intruder.

Well there you go

[kutulu 1,659]

What's the Clinton's alibi?

[Cruzer 1,995]

What's the Clinton's alibi?

Not sure, but we do know the Russians are now being investigated.

[kutulu 1,659]

Not sure, but we do know the Russians are now being investigated.

they should check out Trump... He's connected to all those beauty pageant freaks. I'm not saying he's guilty but it's hard to ignore the coincidences.

[Mookz 1,337]

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682449/Analysis%20of%20undrtheradar

 

I can't believe I read all that, but it was pretty interesting. Do you know if this character ever was investigated? I mean, the whole "fat cat" thing...you would think that would arouse John Ramsey's own suspicion, if not the cops'.

[Gepetto 1,288]

 

I can't believe I read all that, but it was pretty interesting. Do you know if this character ever was investigated? I mean, the whole "fat cat" thing...you would think that would arouse John Ramsey's own suspicion, if not the cops'.

 

He was never really a suspect as far as I can find, or was dismissed as being a possible suspect early on. John Ramsey's attorney even took on his case when he sued to find out who that anonymous person on the internet was who had "found him out".

 

Now I found a story I've been reading about for the last several days about the writer of the note coming forward but being pretty much ignored by Boulder police, detectives on the case and by the FBI; I'll post it here soon.

[Gepetto 1,288]

So a woman was reading the Ramsey's book The Death of Innocence back in 2002 (I think was the year, 5 years after it came out) when she found a photocopy of the ransom note in it and she realized it was the ransom note she wrote for someone who befriended her and manipulated her into writing a ransom note for her book which the person, also a woman claimed was for a non-fiction book she was writing about this woman's (who wrote the note) friend Carrie Lawson who was kidnapped and murdered in Jasper AL in 1991. But then it turns out the author of the note told this woman who was writing the ransom note for this book, that it was for character's in her book that she now she told her was going to be a fictional book and she would title it Perfect Murder. Well the book or books were never done, but JonBenet Ramsey was murdered. This woman claims she wrote the note in late 1994 more than a year prior to the murder and she wrote several copies on her own notepad but it was a small pad with lots of scratch outs on each note, so the woman authoring all of this gave her a legal pad to write on. This woman who claims she wrote the ransom note worked as a cashier but she spoke to main detective on the case (Lou Smit since passed away) and another detective who was rude to her and basically dismissed it without investigating. The woman then contacted Susan Bennett aka Jameson who started the website websleuths because of the Ramsey murder. Anyway, this woman took a bus from AL to NC to write a sample note in front of Susan Bennett.
This is all online summed up here:

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-NancyRansomNoteWriter.htm

The note she wrote came from the writer of the ransom note in my opinion after I compared several of the letters and words from the ransom note with the note this woman wrote. Some handwriting people examined it found her writing sample and the ransom note had many similarities. The Globe also picked up this story and took it from websleuths and published the information in one of their issues years ago. This woman who claims she wrote the note also 6 years later also wrote a sample note in front of Susan Bennett and neither one of them brought a copy of the ransom note with them. She also provided audio and video tapes of the person, a Mary and her husband Jim who she claims were behind the murder of JonBenet. She first contacted Boulder, CO police, got a hold of them eventually and took a bus ride up there to speak to a case investigator (Lou Smit), and to Boulder police detective. She also spoke with the FBI. The police detective guy was rude to her and didn't investigate at all. The FBI didn't do anything with it apparently, and the case detective (Lou Smit) was confused by what she told him.

This all happened like several years ago. Someone reading about all of this in the last year or so believed this all as well so went about tracking down the supposed note writer and claims she found her and with her help and with an original Ramsey detective Ollie Gray, this cold case is still being investigated today, here's the latest:

1. https://adriaen22.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/jonbenet-ramsey-labyrinth-of-lies-part-6/
2. https://adriaen22.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/jonbenet-ramsey-labyrinth-of-lies-part-7/

[Cruzer 1,995]

He was never really a suspect as far as I can find, or was dismissed as being a possible suspect one early on.

What are you kidding? The police chief doesn't have to come out and officially name John Ramsey as a suspect for him to be one, but you can bet your last nickel he was. From day 1, as immediately as JonBenet's body was found, Linda Arndt considered him a suspect - and still adamantly believes 2day he killed her. Who was Arndt? She was the 1st detective on the scene, she was the only Boulder PD official there for most of the day.

 

https://youtu.be/-Aly2fPK-XE

[Gepetto 1,288]

What are you kidding? The police chief doesn't have to come out and officially name John Ramsey as a suspect for him to be one, but you can bet your last nickel he was. From day 1, as immediately as JonBenet's body was found, Linda Arndt considered him a suspect - and still adamantly believes 2day he killed her. Who was Arndt? She was the 1st detective on the scene, she was the only Boulder PD official there for most of the day.

 

https://youtu.be/-Aly2fPK-XE

 

 

 

We were talking about John Ramsey's friend and financial adviser from Atlanta Rod Westmoreland with Merrill Lynch who got John the $118,000 onto a pre-approved Visa Card, not John Ramsey.

 

By the way Linda Arndt had no experience with a murder case nor did anyone with the Boulder Police. She's an idiot who assumed the parents did it immediately from the start because she read a book or had a class about how statistically with child murders it's usually a relative.

[Cruzer 1,995]

We were talking about John Ramsey's friend and financial adviser from Atlanta Rod Westmoreland with Merell Lynch who got John the $118,000 onto a pre-approved Visa Card, not John Ramsey.

 

 

By the way Linda Arndt had no experience with a murder case nor did anyone with the Boulder Police. She's an idiot who assumed the parents did it immediately from the start because she read a book or had a class about how statistically with child murders it's usually a relative.

Oh ok, apologies, my bad.

[Gepetto 1,288]

Oh ok, apologies, my bad.

 

Hey, no problem. Also, how 'bout dem Cowboys!!!!

[Cruzer 1,995]

Hey, no problem. Also, how 'bout dem Cowboys!!!!

Optimistically hopeful, but worried! Lol

[Mookz 1,337]

I am knee-deep in this stuff now.

 

Like most people I assumed that the Ramseys were in on it, but after reading Gepetto's links I'm starting to believe that there's way more to it than that.

 

Cruzer, did you read them? I know you question JFK and 9/11 and have an open mind for this kind of thing, so I'd be curious to know what you think.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Cruzer, did you read them? I know you question JFK and 9/11 and have an open mind for this kind of thing, so I'd be curious to know what you think.

I did, and like I've mentioned a few times in this thread - even with my beliefs on Ramsey case, there are questions I still have it making it fit. Not that I don't believe the Ramseys did it, but in the logistics and all....... As I've said also, both sides ask you to draw conclusions and make assumptions - but the weight of all of the circumstantial evidence pointing towards the Ramseys is just too great to overcome.... Most, if not all, the assumptions you have to make to conclude the Ramseys did it are well within the realm of possible and realistic. Almost all of the ones you have to make to conclude and intruder, or group of people, did this are just too unbelievable and far fetched.

 

I am still pretty stuck in stone on the JFK conspiracy thing - even more so now... But the 9/11 thing, it was just a fling that I wondered off into. I'm pretty dead set ok with what is out there and that it was Bin Laden and his klan. There is just too much out there to think otherwise.

[Gepetto 1,288]

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Family did it and tried horribly to show someone outside did it. The PD's bumbling of the scene greatly assisted the D.A. giving them a pass.

[Gepetto 1,288]

[Cruzer 1,995]

Stumbled across this the other day... Good stuff - more credence to the killer being a family member.

 

[wiffleball 4,788]

It's the brother. And the parents tried to cover it up. What's the name for that theory that the most likely scenario is the scenario?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

It's the brother. And the parents tried to cover it up. What's the name for that theory that the most likely scenario is the scenario?

Occum's razor?

[wiffleball 4,788]

Occum's razor?

Good on ya. Thx

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Definitely someone in that house i.e. family.

[Gepetto 1,288]

Every family member was cleared by the DNA that was found not only on JonBenet's underwear but also under her fingernails.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Every family member was cleared by the DNA that was found not only on JonBenet's underwear.

 

I’d need to take a closer look at that evidence.

[wiffleball 4,788]

Talk to Mike Nifong and the Duke lacrosse team about DNA.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Stumbled across this the other day... Good stuff - more credence to the killer being a family member.

 

I doubt any watched this - some points made in it:

 

* Ransom note: If you're the kidnapper wouldn't you want your ransom note to actually be seen, discovered immediately? Especially since you've attached a 10 a.m. deadline? Either left on a kitchen table, in the kitchen, on the counter - somewhere in a common area heavily traveled............. Jonbenet's note was left tucked away, on a rarely used (obscure), back stair case....Why give a deadline if you're basically hiding the note?

 

* Ransom note: The notepad used was already in the house, it belonged to the Ramsey's (more on that later). They discovered the pages used for the note came from the inner part of the pad - somebody went out of their way to make sure they didn't use the top sheets of the pad....... who does that, and why - why would the kidnappers care?

 

* Ransom note: 21 minutes - that's how long it took to actually sit down and script this ransom note. What kind of intruder takes their willy nilly time to spend an extra 21 minutes writing a note - a 3 pager at that? Back in the old days kidnappers were in and out.............these kidnappers lounged around, moved at leisure.

 

* Ransom note: It was signed "S.B.T.C."...........All this time, anyone been able to solve this acronym? It turns out that while John Ramsey was in the Navy he trained in the Phillippines - at a base called Subic Bay Training Center.

 

* Ransom note: The note specified that the kidnappers would call at 10 a.m. with instructions/details. 10 a.m. came and passed - and nobody noticed... Call me crazy but if my child was kidnapped and they said they'd call at 10 a.m. - my ass is all over that phone waiting for the very second 10 a.m. hits so I can be there for my call.

 

* Pineapple: The Ramsey's claim they never gave Jonbenet pineapple that night - yet she had it in her stomach and there was a bowl on the kitchen table... The kidnappers were so friendly and warm that they got Jonbenet to sit down and enjoy a bowl of pineapple in the middle of her abduction?

 

* Alarm system: Multi-millionaire dollar house, multi-million dollar neighborhood - the kidnappers just took a shot that the Ramsey house didn't have an alarm? Or they rolled the dice that it was disabled? Turns out the alarm system was not armed that night - huh, some kidnappers have all the luck.

 

* Kidnappers: Claimed to be a well organized, small foreign faction....... So an organized faction 1) takes a shot and gets lucky that there's no alarm on a multi-million dollar home, 2) doesn't bother bringing a ransom note with them, 3) decides to kill an extra 21 minutes in the home writing a 3 page ransom note, 4) doesn't bother to bring a murder weapon, 5) doesn't bother to call at the deadline time they said they were going to call and 6) just decide what the hell and kill her anyway - after all the work and trouble they went thru, this small foreign faction just decided to cut bait, kill her and not worry about the money...................?

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

How do you know it took 21 minutes to write the note?

[Cruzer 1,995]

How do you know it took 21 minutes to write the note?

Authorities reconstructed the writing of the note - to help with time line and to get an idea of just how long the kidnappers would have been in the house.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Authorities reconstructed the writing of the note - to help with time line and to get an idea of just how long the kidnappers would have been in the house.

 

Maybe, they took the paper in a trip through the house before the fateful night. Then they wrote the note at a different location in advance and then just dropped it off during the kidnapping.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

Maybe, they took the paper in a trip through the house before the fateful night. Then they wrote the note at a different location in advance and then just dropped it off during the kidnapping.

Let's see - so somebody from the small foreign faction would have already been in the house once before? Maybe....... but wouldn't somebody who has already been inside know that the Ramseys could cough up a hell of a lot more than $118k? Which speaking of, brings back up the point of that number - who asks for an odd amount like that? Which just happened to be the amount of John's bonus that year.. Coincidences are one thing, but geez.