Jon Benet Ramsey

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Anyone watch the Amanda Knox documentary on net flix? That was a shitshow of epic proportions.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Another thing about the DNA; read the Autopsy report. http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/jonbenet_ramsey/jonbenet_ramsey_autopsy.pdf

 

"I initially viewed the body in the living room of the house. The decedent was laying on her back on the floor, covered by a blanket and a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt." There was so much cross contamination that it's surprising there wasn't a ton of unidentifiable DNA present.

 

Also, there looked to be some evidence of slight trauma to the vaginal area although the hymen was intact. The sick phocks not only wrote the note but appeared to stage a sexual assault.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Skin cells were found under JonBenet's fingernails of her own skin. There are half moon marks on her neck as if she was grabbing at the rope around her neck while she was being strangled. Picture: https://adriaen22.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/jonbenet-nail-marks-autopsy.png An interview showing the evidence and pictures to a U. of Colorado pathologist during one of the recent television shows about this case stated he believed those were half moon marks on her neck were from her fingernails as she struggled while being strangled. This shows that she was conscious while the strangulation occurred; not unconscious from a head blow prior to strangulation.

 

The Ramsey's did it theory indicates the head blow came first, and the strangulation was staged. That is not what her body revealed.

 

It's not believable that a loving mother killed her daughter in such a way. There's also no evidence linked to the mother.

[GobbleDog 996]

Also, there looked to be some evidence of slight trauma to the vaginal area although the hymen was intact.

 

Thank god the HYMEN was still intact.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

It's not believable that a loving mother killed her daughter in such a way. There's also no evidence linked to the mother.

 

Ransom note? Still in same clothes as night before? And who said she was a loving mother? She entered Jon Bonet in pageants to fulfill some need of her own.

 

Did she choked her out? I don't know. What I do know is she was involved. The ransom note was a blatant attempt to mislead the investigation. It would have taken some time to write and was obviously not planned had the crime been committed by an outsider. The note was examined and determined to have started out impersonal (as a means of misleading police) but then turned personal at the end (due to it's rambling nature).

 

The Ramseys got more than they could have hoped for when the police didn't lock down the house and search it. They allowed people to walk freely through a crime scene. The fact the DA was in bed with them on this helped tremendously as well.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Ransom note is not a match to Patsy Ramsey (or John Ramsey). Look and compare for yourself. The handwriting is all online.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Ransom note is not a match to Patsy Ramsey (or John Ramsey). Look and compare for yourself. The handwriting is all online.

 

I nor you are an expert. The two experts I saw being interviewed indicated that she most likely wrote that note.

 

There's no reasonable thought for why a stranger would break in their home, kill the kid (for what reason? she wasn't sexually assaulted) then sit around for awhile using Patsy's stationary and her pen to write a ransom note.

 

I noted that earlier you thought the note might have been written before they got home so the killer was just lying in wait for them? For what purpose? To kidnap the kid but ended up killing her instead? Then why leave the ransom note? Why not take the body so you might still collect the ransom?

 

The desperation which you're pointing the finger outside the family makes me wonder; are you John Ramsey (the dad)?

[Cruzer 1,995]

It's not believable that a loving mother killed her daughter in such a way.

I'm still searching for a single case of a child killed by a foreign faction intruder - the web is flooded with cases of family members killing their kids.

 

Google Darlie Routier, Susan Smith - absolutely it's believable. Certainly moreso than outlaws from small foreign factions - bcoz that's believable? Who by the way - unless the killer was the small Chinese acrobat from Ocean's 11, either walked thru the front door or shot down the chimney a la Santa Clause style - bcoz no way anyone entered or left the home thru the broken basement window.

 

They missed the spider webs, but the detectives didn't.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I'm still searching for a single case of a child killed by a foreign faction intruder - the web is flooded with cases of family members killing their kids.

 

Google Darlie Routier, Susan Smith - absolutely it's believable. Certainly moreso than outlaws from small foreign factions - bcoz that's believable? Who by the way - unless the killer was the small Chinese acrobat from Ocean's 11, either walked thru the front door or shot down the chimney a la Santa Clause style - bcoz no way anyone entered or left the home thru the broken basement window.

 

They missed the spider webs, but the detectives didn't.

 

Maybe they got a key, maybe they picked a lock, maybe they came in through the basement and went out a door. Maybe it's not so difficult for a strand of an old spiderweb to stay attached. The grate was lifted to that basement window: pic here showing the green foliage UNDER the grate indicating it was lifted: https://adriaen22.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/jonbenet-grate-pinched-foliage.png

John Ramsey was head of Access Graphics owned by Lockheed Martin http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/11/04-1.html

, it could have been a foreign faction. This is one specific case and it hasn't been solved because the FBI told the Boulder police to go by the statistics that the parents usually did it. How's that worked out? Case not solved. If you're just going to go by statistics, that's not a proper way to conclude what happened in a specific case.

[Gepetto 1,368]

 

I nor you are an expert. The two experts I saw being interviewed indicated that she most likely wrote that note.

 

There's no reasonable thought for why a stranger would break in their home, kill the kid (for what reason? she wasn't sexually assaulted) then sit around for awhile using Patsy's stationary and her pen to write a ransom note.

 

I noted that earlier you thought the note might have been written before they got home so the killer was just lying in wait for them? For what purpose? To kidnap the kid but ended up killing her instead? Then why leave the ransom note? Why not take the body so you might still collect the ransom?

 

The desperation which you're pointing the finger outside the family makes me wonder; are you John Ramsey (the dad)?

 

Maybe it was more than one person. One person may have thought it was a kidnapping but their partner had only made them think that to get their help, only with the intent to kill her.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

Maybe they got a key, maybe they picked a lock, maybe they came in through the basement and went out a door. Maybe it's not so difficult for a strand of an old spiderweb to stay attached. The grate was lifted to that basement window:

So now maybe they had a key, picked a lock....

 

So after casually walking thru the front door - they went to the trouble of standing on a suitcase, climbing up and out a small broken basement window all the while not disturbing the cobwebs on the window? Why not just go back out thru the front door? Why go to the trouble of jumping up on a suitcase and crawling up and out of a small, glass sharded window?

 

As far as the grate being lifted - John Ramsey is on record as saying he is the one who broke the window to get in. He said he did it after locking himself out of the house - so it's safe to assume he lifted it then.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

I agree it was more than 1 person. 3 in fact were most likely in on it and they all lived there.

[Gepetto 1,368]

So now maybe they had a key, picked a lock....

 

So after casually walking thru the front door - they went to the trouble of standing on a suitcase, climbing up and out a small broken basement window all the while not disturbing the cobwebs on the window? Why not just go back out thru the front door? Why go to the trouble of jumping up on a suitcase and crawling up and out of a small, glass sharded window?

 

As far as the grate being lifted - John Ramsey is on record as saying he is the one who broke the window to get in. He said he did it after locking himself out of the house - so it's safe to assume he lifted it then.

John Ramsey says he did that in the summer. That picture shows that foliage under the grate on Dec. 26th.

[Gepetto 1,368]

So now maybe they had a key, picked a lock....

 

So after casually walking thru the front door - they went to the trouble of standing on a suitcase, climbing up and out a small broken basement window all the while not disturbing the cobwebs on the window? Why not just go back out thru the front door? Why go to the trouble of jumping up on a suitcase and crawling up and out of a small, glass sharded window?

 

As far as the grate being lifted - John Ramsey is on record as saying he is the one who broke the window to get in. He said he did it after locking himself out of the house - so it's safe to assume he lifted it then.

 

 

So suitcase below the window is evidence they went out the window? But a strand of an old cobweb is evidence they didn't go out the window?

[Gepetto 1,368]

Police say John Ramsey claimed he checked all windows and doors Christmas night to make sure they were locked and that he said he checked the next day again saying all doors and windows were locked. That sure wouldn't be something to tell the police if you're trying to deceive them to make them think an intruder came into the house. That is a sign of innocence.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

 

So suitcase below the window is evidence they went out the window? But a strand of an old cobweb is evidence they didn't go out the window?

That's the point, it doesn't jive. 2 + 2 is adding up to 7 here.

 

One of the signature points to support the small faction intruder theory is that they entered and exited thru the basement window. The suitcase is part of that theory - suggested they used it to get out... Which speaks to the spider webs, no way in heck the intruder managed to avoid them both entering and exiting the house. Unless of course, he really was the Ocean's 11 Chinese acrobat.. An Ocean's 11 Chinese acrobat with a key to the front door and lock picks I mean.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Police say John Ramsey claimed he checked all windows and doors Christmas night to make sure they were locked and that he said he checked the next day again saying all doors and windows were locked. That sure wouldn't be something to tell the police if you're trying to deceive them to make them think an intruder came into the house. That is a sign of innocence.

Oh, well if he said it then - shoot, case closed...

 

How does John Ramsey explain the window? You say he broke it in the Summer - so you mean to tell me he went 6 moths w/out fixing it, really? He has small kids in the house, a wife and valuables out the ass - yet he neglected to fix something that could be used as access into his home? That doesn't make sense.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Oh, well if he said it then - shoot, case closed...

 

How does John Ramsey explain the window? You say he broke it in the Summer - so you mean to tell me he went 6 moths w/out fixing it, really? He has small kids in the house, a wife and valuables out the ass - yet he neglected to fix something that could be used as access into his home? That doesn't make sense.

Yes, he neglected to fix it for 6 months. John Ramsey saying he went through that window in the summer again hurts the case that he would want the police to think an intruder did.

[Cruzer 1,995]

https://www.facebook.com/jonbenetinvestigation/posts/1227163887326073

Placement of rannsom note was done in a way it could be monitored from outside window.

By the FBI Surveillance Van, by Secret Asian Man, by somebody sitting outside his house risking a neighbor seeing them, by GPS satellite? What difference would it make when they discovered the note anyway? It was placed right in the middle of the staircase - it was going to get discovered almost immediately. What benefit does the small foreign faction gain from knowing when they found the note?

[Gepetto 1,368]

By the FBI Surveillance Van, by Secret Asian Man, by somebody sitting outside his house risking a neighbor seeing them, by GPS satellite? What difference would it make when they discovered the note anyway? It was placed right in the middle of the staircase - it was going to get discovered almost immediately. What benefit does the small foreign faction gain from knowing when they found the note?

 

They can alert whoever from their group is in the basement to get out if the note is found while they are still there.

 

Anyway, I don't trust that is how the note was found anymore because I realize just now that that note in that facebook page is a forgery.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Yes, he neglected to fix it for 6 months. John Ramsey saying he went through that window in the summer again hurts the case that he would want the police to think an intruder did.

Why would a man, with more money than he can spend, living in a multi-million dollar house, residing in Colorado and all the wintery elements, with all that to lose inside - leave a measly $100 window broken for 6 months? And if he did check all the windows, why didn't he notice the broken window the first time - wouldn't he have noticed it when he checked all the windows?

[Cruzer 1,995]

They can alert whoever from their group is in the basement to get out if the note is found while they are still there.

I thought that was what the Heads Up Scream was for......?

 

So in addition to factoring into the plot a heads up scream, the small foreign faction also had a surveillance team set up to monitor the ransom note - thus giving the team time to alert the killers, in the event the Heads Up Scream failed.... Oh boy.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I thought that was what the Heads Up Scream was for......?

 

So in addition to factoring into the plot a heads up scream, the small foreign faction also had a surveillance team set up to monitor the ransom note - thus giving the team time to alert the killers, in the event the Heads Up Scream failed.... Oh boy.

 

Dude, I'm just throwing out possibilities. You take it like I think they're facts, you then say they are unbelievable.

 

I'm still waiting for SOMETHING BELIEVABLE that explains what happened in the way the parents could have done it.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Why would a man, with more money than he can spend, living in a multi-million dollar house, residing in Colorado and all the wintery elements, with all that to lose inside - leave a measly $100 window broken for 6 months? And if he did check all the windows, why didn't he notice the broken window the first time - wouldn't he have noticed it when he checked all the windows?

 

Don't know but that's what he says.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

Dude, I'm just throwing out possibilities. You take it like I think they're facts, you then say they are unbelievable.

 

I'm still waiting for SOMETHING BELIEVABLE that explains what happened in the way the parents could have done it.

How do you figure I'm taking them as facts? I'm simply reiterating what it is you think is possible - talking it out....But no, I'm not buying that somebody else did it. As hard as it is for you to buy into a family member did it, it's an even bigger reach and far more outlandish to connect all the dots and accept some of the suggestions offered.

 

Had a key, came in thru the front door, picked a lock, came in thru a broken window, miraculously avoided the existing spider webs, took the time to write a 3 pager, asked for $118k, incorporated a heads up scream, strategically placed the note for the surveillance team to monitor, went upstairs and got JonBenet out of bed undetected, multi-millionaire father just left a window exposed and broken for 6 months in the Colorado winter, risked the body being discovered in the house under the secret hiding blanket bcoz they planned on calling in a day or two - yea, it's a bit much to buy into.

 

Also seems this team of small foreign factionist went thru a lot of trouble, a lot of time and risked a butt load all for the sake of just killing her anyway.. There was what, a getaway team, a surveillance team and then of course, the kill team? Where they all on salary, getting a check no matter what even if they killed her? Did they just have nothing else to do, did it for kicks? If so, this is the most incompetent group of killers/kidnappers I've ever heard of.

[Gepetto 1,368]

Why would a man, with more money than he can spend, living in a multi-million dollar house, residing in Colorado and all the wintery elements, with all that to lose inside - leave a measly $100 window broken for 6 months? And if he did check all the windows, why didn't he notice the broken window the first time - wouldn't he have noticed it when he checked all the windows?

 

1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 121:

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. When you previously broken that basement window to gain entry to the home when you had been locked out, can you approximate what month that was?"

 

John Ramsey: "Well, I think it was last summer because Patsy was up at the lake all summer, and it would have been July or August probably, somewhwere in that time frame."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you remove that grate and get down into the window well?"

 

John Ramsey: "Uh huh."

 

Steve Thomas: "And what did you use to break the pane?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, I don't remember. Might have been my foot, I don't know."

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. You reach in, I'm assuming, unlatched it an gain entry through that small window?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you then replace the grate onto that window well?"

 

John Ramsey: "Oh, I probably would have done it that night."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you remove that whole grate off the well, to jump down there and get in?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, probably. I don't remember."

 

Steve Thomas: "Is there any reason that window went unreparired?"

 

John Ramsey: "No. I mean it's, Patsy usually took care of those things, and I just rarely went to the basement, so it just, I guess, got overlooked. Although she did think that she asked the cleaning lady's husband to fix it over Thanksgiving when they were doing some repair work there, but I don't know if that's ever been confirmed whether he fixed it or not."

 

Steve Thomas: "And you mentioned when you went down in the morning, the 26th, and it was unlatched, did that strike you as odd or did you bring that to anybody's attention?"

 

John Ramsey: "I, I don't know, yeah, I think it proably struck me as a little odd, but it wasn't, I mean sometimes that window would be open because the basement got hot, or one of those windows would be opened. So it wasn't..."

 

Steve Thomas: "Particularly unusual?"

 

John Ramsey: "....Out of the ordinary, but, that is, I thought about it."

 

 

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1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 133-134:

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And let's hop back to the grate for just a second, 'cause I picked the grate up, it's really heavy, I mean fairly heavy. Picked it up, moved it out of the way, kind of hopped down, I mean first peeked into that window, hopped down into that window well, you ended up, have to kick the window, break the window somehow, reach in and unlatch it. How far of a drop is it (to the basement floor), or is it a difficult I should say to drop from the window well..."

 

John Ramsey: "It's probably, I don't know, four feet maybe, five feet."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. But on the outside you've got that kind of skinny narrow window well. Did you have any difficulty sliding into that or sliding down the wall?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah, well, as I recall, I did it at night and I had a suit on, and I took my suit off and did it in my underwear. But, it's not easy, I mean, you can get in that way, you get dirty, but."

 

Tom Trujillo: "It's not a graceful way to get in?"

 

John Ramsey: "No, no."

 

Tom Trujillo: "It's difficult because of the angles?"

 

John Ramsey: "Right"

 

Steve Thomas: "Tom, let me just ask John this. Do you sit down and slide through, buttocks first if you will, through a window like that or, do you recall how you went through the actual window, John?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't....remember. Seems like, I mean, I don't remember, but I think I would probably have gone in feet first."

 

Steve Thomas: "Feet first, backwards?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "And when you went through in your underwear, were you wearing shoes...?"

 

John Ramsey: "I still had my shoes on, yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "And were those with a suit, were they business shoes?"

 

John Ramsey: "They were probably, probably those shoes."

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. And what are those shoes?"

 

John Ramsey: "Business shoes...shoes that I wear with a suit, just a pair of business shoes, dress shoes.

 

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1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 134:

 

Tom Trujillo: "John, when you went down in the basement the first time and found the broken window, it was unlocked, you latched it. Did you notice if the room was overly cold or anything like that?"

 

John Ramsey: "No, it wasn't. I didn't notice that it was."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And you were fully dressed when you went through the house?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah, I'm sure I was, yeah."

 

Tom Trujillo: "You remember any lights on in the basement when you went down the first time?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, no, not specifically I don't. I mean, I don't remember if any were on the first time."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Do you remember turning on lights?"

 

John Ramsey: "Well, I would have had to see my way around. I'm sure I did."

 

Tom Trujillo: "John, would you be willing to come back at a later date, time, to help us with this, go over anything else we need to go over?"

 

John Ramsey: "I think, hopefully, we've given you every piece of information that we have, and will certainly continue to do so."

 

 

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1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Michael Kane in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 302

 

John Ramsey: "(She said) When this person calls you've got to insist that you talk to JonBenet and stall for time. And I said why..? (She said) to tell him it's a hard job to raise this much money and use the time. But you must talk to JonBenet...."

 

Lou Smit: "...Did you ever go down to the basement?"

 

John Ramsey: "Uh huh. I went....I was by myself. There's three windows across here...the middle one...was broken. There was pane glass broken out of it, which I attributed to breaking myself... it was open (an inch or so) and there was a suitcase under it...this hard Samonsite suitcase...and I closed the window. I don't know why, but I closed it... I latched it... I don't think I looked anywhere else."

 

Lou Smit: "...Did you tell anybody about that?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't really remember... I mean part of what is going on, you're in such a state of disbelief this can happen. And the, you know, the window had been broken out. And you say, hah, that's it. But it was a window that I had used to get into the house before. It was cracked and open a little bit. It wasn't terribly unusual for me. Sometimes it would get opened to let cool air in because that basement could get real hot in winter...it was still sort of explainable to me that it could have been left open.....The suitcase was unusual. That shouldn't have been there. I took that suitcase downstairs, I remember. But I sure wouldn't have taken it all the way back there and put it against the window. I'm 99.9 percent (sure) that I wouldn't have taken it all the way back and set it against that wall."

 

Lou Smit: "Any other areas you looked at? You walked into that train room? Did you look at any of the closets or in any other areas?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't remember doing that...."

 

Lou Smit: "You didn't go to the wine cellar at that time?"

 

John Ramsey: "No."

 

Lou Smit: "How long would you say you were down there?"

 

John Ramsey: "Oh, a minute. Thirty seconds to a minute."

 

Michael Kane: "When was this?"

 

John Ramsey: "....It was probably some time between seven and nine."

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Dude, I'm just throwing out possibilities. You take it like I think they're facts, you then say they are unbelievable.

 

I'm still waiting for SOMETHING BELIEVABLE that explains what happened in the way the parents could have done it.

 

Dude, you're throwing out implausible solutions trying to muddy the waters enough for reasonable doubt.

 

The basement window wasn't used for entry or exit. Fact.

The ransom note was examined by two experts and their conclusion was that Patsy indeed wrote the note. Fact.

The clothes Patsy was wearing were the ones from the night before indicating she pulled an all nighter. Fact. (this initially had me thinking she is the one who fractured Jon Bonet's skull).

The DNA angle has been shown to be a red herring. Fact.

 

And you're looking for proof that shows the parents did it? It most likely was the brother and the parents decided to cover it up so they wouldn't lose both children.

[Scary Gary 19]

The missing piece that doesn't fit is the pineapple in Jonbenet's stomach. She had to have eaten it shortly before her death - and both her parents claim to not given her any... Yet, her brother's prints were on the bowl of pineapple.. Also interesting, John Ramsey claims she came home and went straight to bed.

 

So someone lured her out of bed, fed her pineapple, w/out anyone in the house hearing or seeing anything, killed her, then the killer(s) stuck around to write a 3 page ransom note - that just happen to be for the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus ($118k)....?

 

C'mon man.

 

 

Also...who leaves a ransom note, when there is no way to collect. She was dead. WTF.

[Scary Gary 19]

Why would a man, with more money than he can spend, living in a multi-million dollar house, residing in Colorado and all the wintery elements, with all that to lose inside - leave a measly $100 window broken for 6 months? And if he did check all the windows, why didn't he notice the broken window the first time - wouldn't he have noticed it when he checked all the windows?

 

Sometimes people with money aren't anal about fixing things.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 121:

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. When you previously broken that basement window to gain entry to the home when you had been locked out, can you approximate what month that was?"

 

John Ramsey: "Well, I think it was last summer because Patsy was up at the lake all summer, and it would have been July or August probably, somewhwere in that time frame."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you remove that grate and get down into the window well?"

 

John Ramsey: "Uh huh."

 

Steve Thomas: "And what did you use to break the pane?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, I don't remember. Might have been my foot, I don't know."

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. You reach in, I'm assuming, unlatched it an gain entry through that small window?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you then replace the grate onto that window well?"

 

John Ramsey: "Oh, I probably would have done it that night."

 

Steve Thomas: "Did you remove that whole grate off the well, to jump down there and get in?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, probably. I don't remember."

 

Steve Thomas: "Is there any reason that window went unreparired?"

 

John Ramsey: "No. I mean it's, Patsy usually took care of those things, and I just rarely went to the basement, so it just, I guess, got overlooked. Although she did think that she asked the cleaning lady's husband to fix it over Thanksgiving when they were doing some repair work there, but I don't know if that's ever been confirmed whether he fixed it or not."

 

Steve Thomas: "And you mentioned when you went down in the morning, the 26th, and it was unlatched, did that strike you as odd or did you bring that to anybody's attention?"

 

John Ramsey: "I, I don't know, yeah, I think it proably struck me as a little odd, but it wasn't, I mean sometimes that window would be open because the basement got hot, or one of those windows would be opened. So it wasn't..."

 

Steve Thomas: "Particularly unusual?"

 

John Ramsey: "....Out of the ordinary, but, that is, I thought about it."

 

 

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1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 133-134:

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And let's hop back to the grate for just a second, 'cause I picked the grate up, it's really heavy, I mean fairly heavy. Picked it up, moved it out of the way, kind of hopped down, I mean first peeked into that window, hopped down into that window well, you ended up, have to kick the window, break the window somehow, reach in and unlatch it. How far of a drop is it (to the basement floor), or is it a difficult I should say to drop from the window well..."

 

John Ramsey: "It's probably, I don't know, four feet maybe, five feet."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. But on the outside you've got that kind of skinny narrow window well. Did you have any difficulty sliding into that or sliding down the wall?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah, well, as I recall, I did it at night and I had a suit on, and I took my suit off and did it in my underwear. But, it's not easy, I mean, you can get in that way, you get dirty, but."

 

Tom Trujillo: "It's not a graceful way to get in?"

 

John Ramsey: "No, no."

 

Tom Trujillo: "It's difficult because of the angles?"

 

John Ramsey: "Right"

 

Steve Thomas: "Tom, let me just ask John this. Do you sit down and slide through, buttocks first if you will, through a window like that or, do you recall how you went through the actual window, John?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't....remember. Seems like, I mean, I don't remember, but I think I would probably have gone in feet first."

 

Steve Thomas: "Feet first, backwards?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "And when you went through in your underwear, were you wearing shoes...?"

 

John Ramsey: "I still had my shoes on, yeah."

 

Steve Thomas: "And were those with a suit, were they business shoes?"

 

John Ramsey: "They were probably, probably those shoes."

 

Steve Thomas: "Okay. And what are those shoes?"

 

John Ramsey: "Business shoes...shoes that I wear with a suit, just a pair of business shoes, dress shoes.

 

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1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 134:

 

Tom Trujillo: "John, when you went down in the basement the first time and found the broken window, it was unlocked, you latched it. Did you notice if the room was overly cold or anything like that?"

 

John Ramsey: "No, it wasn't. I didn't notice that it was."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And you were fully dressed when you went through the house?"

 

John Ramsey: "Yeah, I'm sure I was, yeah."

 

Tom Trujillo: "You remember any lights on in the basement when you went down the first time?"

 

John Ramsey: "Ah, no, not specifically I don't. I mean, I don't remember if any were on the first time."

 

Tom Trujillo: "Do you remember turning on lights?"

 

John Ramsey: "Well, I would have had to see my way around. I'm sure I did."

 

Tom Trujillo: "John, would you be willing to come back at a later date, time, to help us with this, go over anything else we need to go over?"

 

John Ramsey: "I think, hopefully, we've given you every piece of information that we have, and will certainly continue to do so."

 

 

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1998 June 25, 26, 27 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Lou Smit and Michael Kane in Colorado

 

NE Book Page 302

 

John Ramsey: "(She said) When this person calls you've got to insist that you talk to JonBenet and stall for time. And I said why..? (She said) to tell him it's a hard job to raise this much money and use the time. But you must talk to JonBenet...."

 

Lou Smit: "...Did you ever go down to the basement?"

 

John Ramsey: "Uh huh. I went....I was by myself. There's three windows across here...the middle one...was broken. There was pane glass broken out of it, which I attributed to breaking myself... it was open (an inch or so) and there was a suitcase under it...this hard Samonsite suitcase...and I closed the window. I don't know why, but I closed it... I latched it... I don't think I looked anywhere else."

 

Lou Smit: "...Did you tell anybody about that?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't really remember... I mean part of what is going on, you're in such a state of disbelief this can happen. And the, you know, the window had been broken out. And you say, hah, that's it. But it was a window that I had used to get into the house before. It was cracked and open a little bit. It wasn't terribly unusual for me. Sometimes it would get opened to let cool air in because that basement could get real hot in winter...it was still sort of explainable to me that it could have been left open.....The suitcase was unusual. That shouldn't have been there. I took that suitcase downstairs, I remember. But I sure wouldn't have taken it all the way back there and put it against the window. I'm 99.9 percent (sure) that I wouldn't have taken it all the way back and set it against that wall."

 

Lou Smit: "Any other areas you looked at? You walked into that train room? Did you look at any of the closets or in any other areas?"

 

John Ramsey: "I don't remember doing that...."

 

Lou Smit: "You didn't go to the wine cellar at that time?"

 

John Ramsey: "No."

 

Lou Smit: "How long would you say you were down there?"

 

John Ramsey: "Oh, a minute. Thirty seconds to a minute."

 

Michael Kane: "When was this?"

 

John Ramsey: "....It was probably some time between seven and nine."

The basement window becomes a central focal point of the investigation involving the murder of his daughter - and John Ramsey endures a bout of amnesia with anything relating to it? It was just 6 months ago, you can't remember how you broke the window to get in? Is this a normal occurrence, happen with regularity? John Ramsey has the awareness to sometimes open the basement windows bcoz of the summer heat, but doesn't have awareness to fix a broken window he claims he broke?

 

John Ramsey was concerned enough the night before to check all the windows and doors, yet - never bothered to check (or fix) a basement window he claims he broke. According to him, he entered the house that way 6 months ago, did he not think anyone else could just as easily?

[edjr 6,588]

did anyone ever check GFIAFPs trailer?

[Gepetto 1,368]

The basement window becomes a central focal point of the investigation involving the murder of his daughter - and John Ramsey endures a bout of amnesia with anything relating to it? It was just 6 months ago, you can't remember how you broke the window to get in? Is this a normal occurrence, happen with regularity? John Ramsey has the awareness to sometimes open the basement windows bcoz of the summer heat, but doesn't have awareness to fix a broken window he claims he broke?

 

John Ramsey was concerned enough the night before to check all the windows and doors, yet - never bothered to check (or fix) a basement window he claims he broke. According to him, he entered the house that way 6 months ago, did he not think anyone else could just as easily?

 

What would he gain by not remembering vs. remembering what he used to break that window with?

 

Or, maybe like he says he just doesn't remember, maybe used his foot/shoe.

[Old School 360]

Nothing like a bunch of alias busting detectives trying to solve a murder mystery.

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

What would he gain by not remembering vs. remembering what he used to break that window with?

 

Or, maybe like he says he just doesn't remember, maybe used his foot/shoe.

I don't know, maybe nothing.

 

But if it were me, and I'm knee deep into the investigation of my murdered 6 year old daughter, I'm dialed in and recalling everything I can, down to the most microscopic detail of details. Especially if I know there is suspicion surrounding me and my family.. John Ramsey comes off as evasive and dishonest, almost lackadaisical with his effort to provide detailed answers.... When I was 8, I accidentally broke my neighbor's garage window with a Nerf football. I still remember - yet Ramsey can't recall exactly how he broke into his house, thru the window in question... That strikes me as odd - leads me to believe he's lying about something.

[Gepetto 1,368]

She died by strangulation first and foremost and a hit to her head. I already posted evidence of her own skin beneath her fingernails and half moon marks by the rope around her neck and a picture, all showing she struggled and was alive during the strangulation. That's murder, not a cover up. So if you want to say John Ramsey, or Patsy Ramsey, or Burke Ramsey murdered her then say so. If you want to say they strangled her to cover up an angry hit over the head, that's impossible.

[Gepetto 1,368]

I don't know, maybe nothing.

 

But if it were me, and I'm knee deep into the investigation of my murdered 6 year old daughter, I'm dialed in and recalling everything I can, down to the most microscopic detail of details. Especially if I know there is suspicion surrounding me and my family.. John Ramsey comes off as evasive and dishonest, almost lackadaisical with his effort to provide detailed answers.... When I was 8, I accidentally broke my neighbor's garage window with a Nerf football. I still remember - yet Ramsey can't recall exactly how he broke into his house, thru the window in question... That strikes me as odd - leads me to believe he's lying about something.

 

If you tried reviewing the statements made by the Ramsey's with the belief they are telling the truth as best they can, then you could understand that if they are telling the truth as far as what they can remember as best they can, then there is the option of either Burke did it all including the ransom note, or an intruder or intruders did it. I would like to see evidence that they irrefutably lied...got any?

[Cruzer 1,995]

 

If you tried reviewing the statements made by the Ramsey's with the belief they are telling the truth as best they can, then you could understand that if they are telling the truth as far as what they can remember as best they can, then there is the option of either Burke did it all including the ransom note, or an intruder or intruders did it. I would like to see evidence that they irrefutably lied...go any?

As best they can.. Well, I might be more inclined to buy into what they said if not for the fact they avoided, and waited, 4 months to come forward with an official statement. I will never be able to fathom how the parents of a murdered 6 year old child - flat out refuse to cooperate in the investigation and offer and official statement... Maybe had they not waited 4 months they wouldn't of had to "try" to remember the best they could.

 

As far as what I have, well like I've said before - both sides ask you to draw conclusions based on things we do know. No I do not have a signed confession and no I do not have a video of the killing. My assumptions and thoughts are based on the collection of circumstantial evidence that is available, common sense and logic... And yes, thousands are sitting in prison right now who were convicted on such things.

[Gepetto 1,368]

She died by strangulation first and foremost and a hit to her head. I already posted evidence of her own skin beneath her fingernails and half moon marks by the rope around her neck and a picture, all showing she struggled and was alive during the strangulation. That's murder, not a cover up.

 

Please see above and comment on if you believe it was intentional murder?

[Cruzer 1,995]

Please see above and comment on if you believe it was intentional murder?

Premeditated? No, I do not believe that it was. I think it was a violent fit of rage by either Patsy or the dysfunctional brother. After of which was followed by a full fledged panic attack, then a frenzied scramble to concoct a coverup.... Not to say there wouldn't have been a serious look at the family, but the very thing, the crux of the plot, the ransom note, is what implicates the Ramsey's to the degree they are. Had they not come up with a note, most prolly would of bought into an intruder theory.

 

But like I said, it's just a personal theory, I've no proof.. Certainly lends itself to good debate.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

So I know nothing of the case other than the main points then whatever I read here.

 

She died at home with her brother asleep? Where were her parents at the time?