Twitter censorship poses a threat to national security

[Djgb13 2,339]

At first, I thought “that’s taking it a bit too far”. After reading the article I’ve changed my mind on it and agree that it can pose a threat 

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/10/acting-dhs-chief-wolf-twitter-censorship-poses-threat-to-national-security-after-border-chiefs-account-locked-temporarily/

[iam90sbaby 2,727]

No shite 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

If there's a thread for this, apologies - But, a few things:

• The Trump campaign has been hacked. The work of Iran apparently, not Russia this time.
• It's private data - like with Hunter Biden but also campaign data like what happened to Podesta and the DNC.
• Part of what has come out is basic, boring oppo research - the sort of stuff we saw with the Rubio/Singer/FusionGPS dossier that Buzzfeed released.
• Some of it apparently is internal emails similar to what we saw with the Hillary campaign - BUT MSM is not running with stories on much less publishing the Trump data.
• Now apparently a liberal blogger named Ken Klippenstein has indeed released one of the items, the internal Trump dossier on Vance, his own VP.

And Elon Musk, the owner and sole moderator of twitter, has banned him from the platform for doing so. And others who have posted the link have also been suspended or locked out of their accounts.

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Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein was suspended from X after he published the hacked dossier compiled by the Trump campaign during its vetting of JD Vance.

Back in February, the Trump campaign compiled a research dossier on Vance in order to vet the Ohio senator as a potential running mate for Donald Trump. The 271-page document included a section about “potential vulnerabilities,” which included his past criticism of the former president.

 

 

[thegeneral 3,565]

You won’t hear a peep about this from the MAGA crowd on here. Sorry.

[HotRod 75]

2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If there's a thread for this, apologies - But, a few things:

• The Trump campaign has been hacked. The work of Iran apparently, not Russia this time.
• It's private data - like with Hunter Biden but also campaign data like what happened to Podesta and the DNC.
• Part of what has come out is basic, boring oppo research - the sort of stuff we saw with the Rubio/Singer/FusionGPS dossier that Buzzfeed released.
• Some of it apparently is internal emails similar to what we saw with the Hillary campaign - BUT MSM is not running with stories on much less publishing the Trump data.
• Now apparently a liberal blogger named Ken Klippenstein has indeed released one of the items, the internal Trump dossier on Vance, his own VP.

And Elon Musk, the owner and sole moderator of twitter, has banned him from the platform for doing so. And others who have posted the link have also been suspended or locked out of their accounts.

 

Good, it's election interference.  Payback for when they did that to the laptop.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

45 minutes ago, HotRod said:

Good, it's election interference.  Payback for when they did that to the laptop.

Hm ok but that was suppressed for 24 hours per TOS. I take it you think the same should happen here.

[Dizkneelande 1,136]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If there's a thread for this, apologies - But, a few things:

• The Trump campaign has been hacked. The work of Iran apparently, not Russia this time.
• It's private data - like with Hunter Biden but also campaign data like what happened to Podesta and the DNC.
• Part of what has come out is basic, boring oppo research - the sort of stuff we saw with the Rubio/Singer/FusionGPS dossier that Buzzfeed released.
• Some of it apparently is internal emails similar to what we saw with the Hillary campaign - BUT MSM is not running with stories on much less publishing the Trump data.
• Now apparently a liberal blogger named Ken Klippenstein has indeed released one of the items, the internal Trump dossier on Vance, his own VP.

And Elon Musk, the owner and sole moderator of twitter, has banned him from the platform for doing so. And others who have posted the link have also been suspended or locked out of their accounts.

 

When was it exactly that you decided you would turn into a simp for the war machine? 
 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

11 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

When was it exactly that you decided you would turn into a simp for the war machine? 

First of all - Hunter Biden’s data & the Podesta/DNC data was rife with personal data, much of it involving people with no public interest, but also Hunter’s. That was ultimately twitter’s reason for halting the Hunter data. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

16 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

the war machine

Secondly - are you some sort of 1969 leftist Haight Ashbury Che Guevara tshirt wearing pinko?

How does the ‘war machine’ figure into Trump’s own oppo dirt on his own VP?

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

On 10/31/2020 at 7:58 PM, Djgb13 said:

At first, I thought “that’s taking it a bit too far”. After reading the article I’ve changed my mind on it and agree that it can pose a threat 

 

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/10/acting-dhs-chief-wolf-twitter-censorship-poses-threat-to-national-security-after-border-chiefs-account-locked-temporarily/

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Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf issued a statement Friday in which he said Twitter’s censorship practices pose a threat to U.S. national security.

Wolf tweeted, “Twitter’s censoring of factual information poses a threat to national security.  It should not be up to corporate bureaucrats to determine what security information the American public receives.”

 

Oh!

[jonmx 2,458]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

First of all - Hunter Biden’s data & the Podesta/DNC data was rife with personal data, much of it involving people with no public interest, but also Hunter’s. That was ultimately twitter’s reason for halting the Hunter data. 

The reason that was universally given for censoring Hunter's laptop was that it was Russian disinformation and they could not validated that it was genuine.   The Russian disinformation theory was created by insiders in the intelligence community who put out the theory knowing it was actually false.   

[jonmx 2,458]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Oh!

What a crock of shite.  You are better than this.  

[jonnyutah 531]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

You won’t hear a peep about this from the MAGA crowd on here. Sorry.

Are you a palestinian?

[Dizkneelande 1,136]

28 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

First of all - Hunter Biden’s data & the Podesta/DNC data was rife with personal data, much of it involving people with no public interest, but also Hunter’s. That was ultimately twitter’s reason for halting the Hunter data. 

No it wasn’t you are lying. The NY Post put out the laptop info and Podesta was through Wikileaks and Wikileaks laborers to remove things like you know, home addresses and social security numbers. There’s nothing interesting in the Vance dossier and the only outrageous part is that a “journalist” could be that sloppy. If he left that info out nobody would have given a crap you simp. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

The NY Post put out the laptop info and Podesta was through Wikileaks and Wikileaks laborers to remove things like you know, home addresses and social security numbers.

I mean this politely, you might be confusing things.

The NY Post linked to raw data from Hunter's data, that was unredacted and contained a wide variety of personal data - SS numbers, home address, cell phone numbers, not to mention pictures (some intimate but not that mattered).

The Wikileaks stuff was of 2 types - the redacted stuff was just what had been put out by the State Department via FOIA requests. However the DNC & Podesta data was posted unredacted, that was private data and again contained a lot of private stuff. Again that latter material was totally unredacted.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

10 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

There’s nothing interesting in the Vance dossier and the only outrageous part is that a “journalist” could be that sloppy. If he left that info out nobody would have given a crap

I actually agree with you about the value of the Vance dossier. Like the Fusion oppo, which started out as a GOP Rubio Washington Examiner project, it's probably filled with a mix of falsehoods, innuendo, some rumors, some truthiness.

Yeah I agree, they shouldn't publish that stuff, but let's be real some blogger or journalist isn't going to redact almost 300 pages. But again I agree it shouldn't be published regardless. Especially and not least because it's stolen first and foremost.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

36 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The reason that was universally given for censoring Hunter's laptop was that it was Russian disinformation and they could not validated that it was genuine.   The Russian disinformation theory was created by insiders in the intelligence community who put out the theory knowing it was actually false.   

It violated twitter's TOS, which is the reason twitter is giving now. Which, I actually agree with. Though twitter only suppressed the Hunter stuff for 24 hours.

[zsasz 383]

I thought twitter was all about freedom of information?

[Dizkneelande 1,136]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I mean this politely, you might be confusing things.

The NY Post linked to raw data from Hunter's data, that was unredacted and contained a wide variety of personal data - SS numbers, home address, cell phone numbers, not to mention pictures (some intimate but not that mattered).

The Wikileaks stuff was of 2 types - the redacted stuff was just what had been put out by the State Department via FOIA requests. However the DNC & Podesta data was posted unredacted, that was private data and again contained a lot of private stuff. Again that latter material was totally unredacted.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

Here’s the original NY Post story blocked by Twitter. No social security number. No home address. Klippinstein does this at a time when lunatics are running around trying to assassinate his running mate. Vance has small children. Nobody should think that is appropriate. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

3 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Klippinstein does this at a time when lunatics are running around trying to assassinate his running mate. Vance has small children. Nobody should think that is appropriate. 

I do agree with this. I happen to think this is an issue regardless of who is doxed/hacked though. Private, stolen data shouldn't be disseminated.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Here’s the original NY Post story blocked by Twitter. No social security number. No home address.

But there are private photos of Hunter Biden.

[jonmx 2,458]

10 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It violated twitter's TOS, which is the reason twitter is giving now. Which, I actually agree with. Though twitter only suppressed the Hunter stuff for 24 hours.

And Twitter admitted later they were in error a d that the New York Post story concerning Hunter did not violate their TOS.   This information about Vance clearly does.   Your spin on this is horribly wrong. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

5 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

No home address.

True, but it did contain his cell number and his email address, and his signature.

[jonmx 2,458]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But there are private photos of Hunter Biden.

Embarrassing photos are different than providing personal data which can be used ti harass and defraud someone. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

And Twitter admitted later they were in error a d that the New York Post story concerning Hunter did not violate their TOS.   This information about Vance clearly does. 

Twitter had a committee that was independent of ownership that had about three different redundancies for evaluating these issues. They held it then released it 24 hours after internally debating it.

Musk has gotten rid of ***all that and he appears to be calling the shots.

Like I said I agree in principle, but IMO the HB material also violated the TOS. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Embarrassing photos are different than providing personal data which can be used ti harass and defraud someone. 

Really. I'm sure you've heard of Ex-boyfriends/girlfriends disseminating pics online and facing lawsuits at a minimum and criminal charges at worst for just that.

- eta - Pretty pretty hard to argue that HB hasn't been harassed, threatened and the rest as well.

[jonmx 2,458]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Twitter had a committee that was independent of ownership that had about three different redundancies for evaluating these issues. They held it then released it 24 hours after internally debating it.

Musk has gotten rid of ***all that and he appears to be calling the shots.

Like I said I agree in principle, but IMO the HB material also violated the TOS. 

But for someone in the DHS security to declare Twitter is threatening national security by censoring material which contains personal data is obscene. That MFer receives annual training on laws and rules about protecting personal information and he is a lying SOB to suggest what Twitter is doing here is wrong.  He is a political hack who deserves to be fired for violations of the Hatch act. 

[jonmx 2,458]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Really. I'm sure you've heard of Ex-boyfriends/girlfriends disseminating pics online and facing lawsuits at a minimum and criminal charges at worst for just that.

- eta - Pretty pretty hard to argue that HB hasn't been harassed, threatened and the rest as well.

 

When they depicted sexual acts.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

13 hours ago, jonmx said:

When they depicted sexual acts.

Yes but those pics of HB were taken by someone else, in a state of undress, while using drugs, which is also not ok. & frankly to me it’s private data, it shouldn’t be spread on the internet, it’s not right.

[jonnyutah 531]

14 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It violated twitter's TOS, which is the reason twitter is giving now. Which, I actually agree with. Though twitter only suppressed the Hunter stuff for 24 hours.

They blocked the new york post for 16 days.

[jonmx 2,458]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yes but those pics of HB were taken by someone else, in a state of undress, while using drugs, which is also not ok. & frankly to me it’s private data, it shouldn’t be spread on the internet, it’s not right.

Consensual sex is a legal private act.  A son of a VP doing cocaine and crack while taking millions of dollars from China and Ukraine for access to his dad is corruption at the highest levels.  One has a public interest and one does not.  

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Consensual sex is a legal private act.  A son of a VP doing cocaine and crack while taking millions of dollars from China and Ukraine for access to his dad is corruption at the highest levels.  One has a public interest and one does not.  

Eh one could argue there’s a public interest in all private data. Everyone who doxes believes in their own mind they are serving some public good or moral right. Maybe if Musk left this to a system with teams, protocols, legal input & QC checks, it *might be more defensible. But instead this time it’s just the owner, they got rid of all that.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

32 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

They blocked the new york post for 16 days.

The determination was reversed the next day. There was Congressional testimony on that. Where people like to raise that twitter reversed their decision then fine but also acknowledge it happened quickly.

[jonmx 2,458]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Eh one could argue there’s a public interest in all private data. Everyone who doxes believes in their own mind they are serving some public good or moral right. Maybe if Musk left this to a system with teams, protocols, legal input & QC checks, it *might be more defensible. But instead this time it’s just the owner, they got rid of all that.

One could make stupid arguements.  However, bribery of a public official via his son which ultimately pulled us into aiding a war which has now cost our country hundreds of billions is a public interest by every definition. 

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

One could make stupid arguements.  However, bribery of a public official via his son which ultimately pulled us into aiding a war which has now cost our country hundreds of billions is a public interest by every definition. 

You’re talking about the emails (in the NY Post story). IMO that wasn’t the technical reason twitter gave. But if ‘public interest’ is the standard as you well know he who controls the switches & nodes controls the thruput. If Twitter was owned by Soros’ son or Mark Cuban he could simply decide like Musk ‘oh well you see it’s important the public knows this totally internal, stolen private Vance stuff.’ And if you look at TOS for twitter or really any platform, public interest or the POV of the head moderator in charge isn’t anywhere in there.

[jonnyutah 531]

30 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The determination was reversed the next day. There was Congressional testimony on that. Where people like to raise that twitter reversed their decision then fine but also acknowledge it happened quickly.

They blocked the new york post for 16 days, specifically for the tweet with the link to the story. 

Not one day. 16 days. 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,659]

19 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

If there's a thread for this, apologies - But, a few things:

• The Trump campaign has been hacked. The work of Iran apparently, not Russia this time.
• It's private data - like with Hunter Biden but also campaign data like what happened to Podesta and the DNC.
• Part of what has come out is basic, boring oppo research - the sort of stuff we saw with the Rubio/Singer/FusionGPS dossier that Buzzfeed released.
• Some of it apparently is internal emails similar to what we saw with the Hillary campaign - BUT MSM is not running with stories on much less publishing the Trump data.
• Now apparently a liberal blogger named Ken Klippenstein has indeed released one of the items, the internal Trump dossier on Vance, his own VP.

And Elon Musk, the owner and sole moderator of twitter, has banned him from the platform for doing so. And others who have posted the link have also been suspended or locked out of their accounts.

 

After Russia Collusion, multiple garbage impeachments, an unconstitutional trial, and a swap of candidates where no one actually voted for the current candidate, you're now trying Iranian Collusion?

My simple response to you is, "Go away you communist piece of trash".

[HellToupee 2,176]

TDS comes in many forms

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Iranian Collusion?

Trump is the victim in this situation, his campaign was hacked. Possibly it’s someone like Roger Stone, but we don’t know. No one has been accused of collaborating with Iran on that.

[SaintsInDome2006 620]

5 hours ago, HellToupee said:

TDS comes in many forms

Sure, look at Vance, he had TDS for 5 years and now look at him, he’s Trump’s own hand picked no. 2. So I guess there’s hope!