Ben Askren vs. Jake Paul

[TimHauck 2,628]

give me Askren

[TimHauck 2,628]

I don't know much about boxing or if anyone really cares about this fight but I have a good feeling if anyone wants to win some money you should bet on Askren who still looks to have good odds (I guess partly based on the fact that Paul has a lot of youtube fans that are probably betting on him).

But I find it hard to believe that an MMA and NCAA wrestling champion will lose to some guy from youtube and the Disney channel.

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Jake Paul's brother Logan is even tougher and was on The Masked Singer.

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44 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don't know much about boxing or if anyone really cares about this fight but I have a good feeling if anyone wants to win some money you should bet on Askren who still looks to have good odds (I guess partly based on the fact that Paul has a lot of youtube fans that are probably betting on him).

But I find it hard to believe that an MMA and NCAA wrestling champion will lose to some guy from youtube and the Disney channel.

I use to wrestle in high school for a year and taught me don't mess with a wrestler.

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6 hours ago, BeenHereBefore said:

I use to wrestle in high school for a year and taught me don't mess with a wrestler.

Yeah...because they'll take you to ground and pound you.

Paul made SURE this fight would not involve anything other than standing and punching. 

I hate that.  If Paul wanted to prove he was a tough guy, he'd fight Askren.  But the chicken sh!t throws in caveats that pvssy foot around. Scared to fight him.

Instead, he'll only box him.  Yippee skip.   "I'll beat your ass if we lay out all of these conditions that take away your skill set that that I have no defense for.

Jake Paul is a pvssy. 

Like Askren said, in a real fight, skill set vs skill set, he would end Jake Paul's life. 

 

As for this "fight" coming up, I hope Askren wins, but...ya know...he's not a boxer. Neither is Paul, but still the playing field has been leveled. 

If they made wrestling allowed you'd STILL have dumbass youtubers thinking Paul would win. 

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1 minute ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Yeah...because they'll take you to ground and pound you.

Paul made SURE this fight would not involve anything other than standing and punching. 

I hate that.  If Paul wanted to prove he was a tough guy, he'd fight Askren.  But the chicken sh!t throws in caveats that pvssy foot around. Scared to fight him.

Instead, he'll only box him.  Yippee skip.   "I'll beat your ass if we lay out all of these conditions that take away your skill set that that I have no defense for.

Jake Paul is a pvssy. 

Like Askren said, in a real fight, skill set vs skill set, he would end Jake Paul's life. 

Yep dude would last 30 seconds or less on the ground! This fight is about how much money they will make.

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1 minute ago, BeenHereBefore said:

Yep dude would last 30 seconds or less on the ground! This fight is about how much money they will make.

I don't know if their chit talking is real or hype only.  It "feels" real, but ya never know.  Obviously some is hype.

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Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

I don't know if their chit talking is real or hype only.  It "feels" real, but ya never know. 

I get it but both will be a lot richer after the fight so I go with that.

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56 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

I don't know if their chit talking is real or hype only.  It "feels" real, but ya never know.  Obviously some is hype.

Well Paul is definitely taking it seriously if he thinks he's going to become a real boxer eventually.  I think Askren is taking it seriously because he's a competitive dude that wants to win, but I don't think he'll care that much if he loses.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Well Paul is definitely taking it seriously if he thinks he's going to become a real boxer eventually.  I think Askren is taking it seriously because he's a competitive dude that wants to win, but I don't think he'll care that much if he loses.

They are both probably taking the fight seriously, yes.

I'm referring to the hype...the chit talking....the apparent bad blood between them.  What part is real, what part is just hype to build the fight?

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1 hour ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Yeah...because they'll take you to ground and pound you.

Paul made SURE this fight would not involve anything other than standing and punching. 

I hate that.  If Paul wanted to prove he was a tough guy, he'd fight Askren.  But the chicken sh!t throws in caveats that pvssy foot around. Scared to fight him.

Instead, he'll only box him.  Yippee skip.   "I'll beat your ass if we lay out all of these conditions that take away your skill set that that I have no defense for.

Jake Paul is a pvssy. 

Like Askren said, in a real fight, skill set vs skill set, he would end Jake Paul's life. 

 

As for this "fight" coming up, I hope Askren wins, but...ya know...he's not a boxer. Neither is Paul, but still the playing field has been leveled. 

If they made wrestling allowed you'd STILL have dumbass youtubers thinking Paul would win. 

Lol this is a very weird take.  

He is in it for money not to prove hes so tough.  

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35 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

They are both probably taking the fight seriously, yes.

I'm referring to the hype...the chit talking....the apparent bad blood between them.  What part is real, what part is just hype to build the fight?

Well I think Askren has admitted when he was in the UFC that a main reason he trash talks is to hype up the fights.   But I listen to Askren most days on the wrestling podcast he's on and I don't think he's a big fan of Jake.   He was on Logan's podcast though recently and they seemed cool with each other.     

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Lol this is a very weird take.  

He is in it for money not to prove hes so tough.  

So there'd be no money if wrestling were allowed? 

I mean, a guy challenged a wrestler to a fight, but said "Uhh....but no wrestling"

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Who's who of who gives a sh1t?

[TimHauck 2,628]

15 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

So there'd be no money if wrestling were allowed? 

I mean, a guy challenged a wrestler to a fight, but said "Uhh....but no wrestling"

Well yeah I think even Jake knows he'd get crushed if it was MMA.   He's just trying to use Askren as a stepping stone.  A guy not known for his standup, but who could give him at least some legitimacy if he wins.

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Real life here comes the boom

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For reference

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1 hour ago, tubby_mcgee said:

So there'd be no money if wrestling were allowed? 

I mean, a guy challenged a wrestler to a fight, but said "Uhh....but no wrestling"

Why would Jake Paul....an Amateur boxer agree to fight an MMA fight with an MMA fighter who has won world titles and a guy who was almost Olympic caliber wrestler? 

No probably qouldnt make near the amount of money as anyone who knows anything knows exactly how it would go.  With the boxing match there brings a level of mystery.  

He didnt challenge him to a fight.  He challenged him to a boxing match.....im not sure we are on the same page here...

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28 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Real life here comes the boom

Masvidal must now be considered the best ever.

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19 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Why would Jake Paul....an Amateur boxer agree to fight an MMA fight with an MMA fighter who has won world titles and a guy who was almost Olympic caliber wrestler? 

No probably qouldnt make near the amount of money as anyone who knows anything knows exactly how it would go.  With the boxing match there brings a level of mystery.  

He didnt challenge him to a fight.  He challenged him to a boxing match.....im not sure we are on the same page here...

 

I'm good with that if Paul would give that explanation.
 

Paul is begging for the world to consider him an athlete, which is where Askren has been since he was 8.  He wants so badly to be "included". 

And if you want to be a boxer, challenge a boxer.  Not a wrestler. Askren is an athlete, but not anywhere near being a boxer.  His MMA...was all wrestling. 

Askren admits he could lose a boxing match to Paul.  

Secondly, Jake Paul will NEVER be a legit top level elite boxer. NEVER. EVER. EVER. So whether this is a stepping stone or not...he has no where to go.

 

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TBH I think you are taking it too serious.  And reading into the promotion of it too much.  Ive watched combat sports enough to know for every real bad blood matchup there are 50 that are for show.

Who would Paul box? Hes a low level Am boxer himself.  His brother just boxed Nate Robinson.  Whos he going to pick to box? Another Am? He needs a known person to be able to sell the event.  

This is all for money and good for Askren.  

Does "Thunder Lips vs Rocky" ring a bell? 

 

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

TBH I think you are taking it too serious.  And reading into the promotion of it too much.  Ive watched combat sports enough to know for every real bad blood matchup there are 50 that are for show.

Who would Paul box? Hes a low level Am boxer himself.  His brother just boxed Nate Robinson.  Whos he going to pick to box? Another Am? He needs a known person to be able to sell the event.  

This is all for money and good for Askren.  

Does "Thunder Lips vs Rocky" ring a bell? 

 

Jake was the one that fought Nate Robinson.   I think Logan is actually scheduled to box Mayweather which I'm sure won't go well for him, but he seems to be a better athlete than Jake.   The only other fight that I'm aware of that Jake had was against some other Youtube dude that looked like he had no clue what he was doing:

But I believe Jake wants to box McGregor eventually.  Supposedly he wanted Dillon Danis instead of Askren for this one but he turned it down.   I actually think there are a lot of MMA dudes that would love the chance to box him if he's willing to.

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5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

He needs a known person to be able to sell the event.   

How does any boxer climb ranks?

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58 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

How does any boxer climb ranks?

Hes not looking to climb thr ranks lol.  Thats my point.  Hes popular.  Hes a draw.  He wants to fight people the public knows in order to make the most money.   From my understanding he made good money off that last fight.  Why on earth is he going to go get a fight with joe shmoe amateur no one could pick out of a lineup?

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5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Hes not looking to climb thr ranks lol.

He wants to fight people the public knows in order to make the most money. 

 

I see that as the same thing.  The public knows Pee Wee Herman, but I don't think that will sell. They also know Urkel and Tim Allen.   I don't think that's what Jake Paul wants and they won't sell.

He says he wants to fight McGregor too.

And he is calling out Mayweather. 

Youtuber
Basketball Player
MMA Guy famous (Askren)
MMA Guy more famous (McGregor)
Ultra Elite Boxer - in conversation as best ever.

In my world, that is wanting to climb the ranks.

16 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

He is in it for money not to prove hes so tough.  

Also,  Paul considers himself an elite fighter already after 2 "fights" vs guys who couldn't claw there way out of a wet paper.  He very well could beat Askren, but he isn't elite (saying your an elite boxer and challenging MMA guys to a boxing match is talking tough  and trying to prove you're tough, if you ask me)   

If not, I guess you could say the thing about every pro athlete ever. They aren't trying to prove anything or show anything other than they are good at making money.

Anyway...I like 99% of what you post.  Lets just agree to disagree.

In summary, I think Paul does want to prove something other than "money". I think he's already set with the money side of things.  
He's not elite in any fighting world. He never will be.  Maybe if they change it balloons and pillows.  Boxing, MMA, Wrestling. No. 
He's popular enough to be able to have a voice that will allow him to pull people in to box him.  

 

Kinda like Lebron isn't a good politician, but he has a political voice---because of non political reasons.   

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4 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

I see that as the same thing.  The public knows Pee Wee Herman, but I don't think that will sell. They also know Urkel and Tim Allen.   I don't think that's what Jake Paul wants and they won't sell.

He says he wants to fight McGregor too.

And he is calling out Mayweather. 

Youtuber
Basketball Player
MMA Guy famous (Askren)
MMA Guy more famous (McGregor)
Ultra Elite Boxer - in conversation as best ever.

In my world, that is wanting to climb the ranks.

Also,  Paul considers himself an elite fighter already after 2 "fights" vs guys who couldn't claw there way out of a wet paper.  He very well could beat Askren, but he isn't elite (saying your an elite boxer and challenging MMA guys to a boxing match is talking tough  and trying to prove you're tough, if you ask me)   

If not, I guess you could say the thing about every pro athlete ever. They aren't trying to prove anything or show anything other than they are good at making money.

Anyway...I like 99% of what you post.  Lets just agree to disagree.

In summary, I think Paul does want to prove something other than "money". I think he's already set with the money side of things.  
He's not elite in any fighting world. He never will be.  Maybe if they change it balloons and pillows.  Boxing, MMA, Wrestling. No. 
He's popular enough to be able to have a voice that will allow him to pull people in to box him.  

 

Kinda like Lebron isn't a good politician, but he has a political voice---because of non political reasons.   

Climing the ranks is youtuber, basketball guy.  Retired mma fighter.  Conor.  Mayweather?  Lol 4 of those 5 arent even boxers.  The question I had is who fo you expect him to try and box right now?  Askren makes perfect sense.  

To the 2nd part...you are just buying too much into his words.  It is quite obvious it is showmanship and hype.  No he doesnt think hes an elite boxer.  Thats his persona.    I think he is interested in boxing and has been around some gyms.  He has reached new audiences.  You and me would have not even heard of him if he just stayed in the youtube realm.  

Hes doing a good job because hes making money and selling the hype.  People apparently are buying it.   

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6 hours ago, tubby_mcgee said:

I see that as the same thing.  The public knows Pee Wee Herman, but I don't think that will sell. They also know Urkel and Tim Allen.   I don't think that's what Jake Paul wants and they won't sell.

He says he wants to fight McGregor too.

And he is calling out Mayweather. 

Youtuber
Basketball Player
MMA Guy famous (Askren)
MMA Guy more famous (McGregor)
Ultra Elite Boxer - in conversation as best ever.

In my world, that is wanting to climb the ranks.

Also,  Paul considers himself an elite fighter already after 2 "fights" vs guys who couldn't claw there way out of a wet paper.  He very well could beat Askren, but he isn't elite (saying your an elite boxer and challenging MMA guys to a boxing match is talking tough  and trying to prove you're tough, if you ask me)   

If not, I guess you could say the thing about every pro athlete ever. They aren't trying to prove anything or show anything other than they are good at making money.

Anyway...I like 99% of what you post.  Lets just agree to disagree.

In summary, I think Paul does want to prove something other than "money". I think he's already set with the money side of things.  
He's not elite in any fighting world. He never will be.  Maybe if they change it balloons and pillows.  Boxing, MMA, Wrestling. No. 
He's popular enough to be able to have a voice that will allow him to pull people in to box him.  

 

Kinda like Lebron isn't a good politician, but he has a political voice---because of non political reasons.   

This.  No he probably won’t box low-tier pro boxers that no one’s ever heard of, but if he keeps winning he’ll probably continue to box more and more legitimate guys although seems like he’s talking mostly about MMA guys currently.   Not sure if McGregor would be next or not.  I think he threw out names of guys like Nate Diaz as well. 

But if he beats those guys (doubtful as I don’t even think he’ll beat Askren), I’m sure he’ll eventually move on to fighting some of the top boxers.   The problem is most people haven’t heard of even the top boxers.  So although boxers and boxing fans probably hate him, he’s probably right that he’s actually good for boxing.  He’s putting way more eyes on boxing than have been for awhile.

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

This.  No he probably won’t box low-tier pro boxers that no one’s ever heard of, but if he keeps winning he’ll probably continue to box more and more legitimate guys although seems like he’s talking mostly about MMA guys currently.   Not sure if McGregor would be next or not.  I think he threw out names of guys like Nate Diaz as well. 

But if he beats those guys (doubtful as I don’t even think he’ll beat Askren), I’m sure he’ll eventually move on to fighting some of the top boxers.   The problem is most people haven’t heard of even the top boxers.  So although boxers and boxing fans probably hate him, he’s probably right that he’s actually good for boxing.  He’s putting way more eyes on boxing than have been for awhile.

No.  Just no.  I cant discuss this anymore lol.  It isnt your fault but you guys just dont follow boxing.  

Mayweather and Conor are pay days.  One is retired and doing spectacle matches. Conor is a mma fighter.  He loses badly to either.  No he will never fight top boxers of today.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

No.  Just no.  I cant discuss this anymore lol.  It isnt your fault but you guys just dont follow boxing.  

Mayweather and Conor are pay days.  One is retired and doing spectacle matches. Conor is a mma fighter.  He loses badly to either.  No he will never fight top boxers of today.  

Yeah hardly anyone follows boxing...

I don't think he'll fight top boxers either because he's going to lose to some of these non-boxers.   I do think he eventually would if he keeps winning though.

[Strike 5,221]

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/4/15/22386164/jake-paul-diagnosed-with-early-signs-cte-but-hell-fight-ben-askren-anyway-boxing-ufc

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/4/15/22386164/jake-paul-diagnosed-with-early-signs-cte-but-hell-fight-ben-askren-anyway-boxing-ufc

Some backup defense for the sexual assault allegations 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

This.  No he probably won’t box low-tier pro boxers that no one’s ever heard of, but if he keeps winning he’ll probably continue to box more and more legitimate guys although seems like he’s talking mostly about MMA guys currently.   Not sure if McGregor would be next or not.  I think he threw out names of guys like Nate Diaz as well. 

But if he beats those guys (doubtful as I don’t even think he’ll beat Askren), I’m sure he’ll eventually move on to fighting some of the top boxers.   The problem is most people haven’t heard of even the top boxers.  So although boxers and boxing fans probably hate him, he’s probably right that he’s actually good for boxing.  He’s putting way more eyes on boxing than have been for awhile.

Sports are getting away from athletes and athletics.   And I agree...most people haven't heard of the top boxers.

Soon, youtubers will be the top draw in most "sports"-- because its what kids watch and kids will soon grow up.... and that's what they will watch is who they grew up with.

 

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3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Some backup defense for the sexual assault allegations 

Yep. lol.  You can bet your ass that will be part of the defense.

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https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/4/16/22388039/jake-paul-vs-ben-askren-salaries-released

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What a KO.

 

[TimHauck 2,628]

I think the Woodley fights may have been fixed 

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lol, it's like he's talking directly to Horsecrap

Askren's wife is great though

 

 

 

 

 

[Horseman 2,374]

Just for those that have never heard of this loser. 

Askren was the one that Masvidal knocked out in 5 seconds, fasted knock out in UFC history.  Then regulated to celerity boxing matches and get's knocked out by Jake Paul in less than 2 minutes.  

But yeah, wife is decently hot, good frame.  Athletic type that doesn't put on much weight even when pregnant.  Probably suffers from the stretch marks though unless she got some nip and tucks.  

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3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Just for those that have never heard of this loser. 

Askren was the one that Masvidal knocked out in 5 seconds, fasted knock out in UFC history.  Then regulated to celerity boxing matches and get's knocked out by Jake Paul in less than 2 minutes.  

also

2x NCAA champion, 4x finalist

Olympian

undefeated champion in Bellator and One FC

beat Robbie Lawlwer in first UFC match at 35 years old despite getting absolutely pounded on in the beginning

runs a very successful chain of wrestling clubs and I believe was a very early bitcoin investor

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

also

2x NCAA champion, 4x finalist

Olympian

undefeated champion in Bellator and One FC

beat Robbie Lawlwer in first UFC match at 35 years old despite getting absolutely pounded on in the beginning

runs a very successful chain of wrestling clubs and I believe was a very early bitcoin investor

Agree, guy is obviously a LIFE WINNER.   

INFAMOUS for Masvidal knockout though.