***Thursday Night Football Thread***

[listen2me 23 1,952]

GB at AZ -6.5 o/u 50

Looks like JJ Watt needs season ending shoulder surgery and is out.  Big blow.

Packers a laundry list

Adams - covid, Lazard- close contact, MVS game time decision.  Top 3 WRs

Bahkitiari All Pro tackle- acl from last year. Myers starting center out

Zadarious Smith 12 sack a year player- out

Jaire Alexander top 2 CB in thr league out.  Kevin King day one starter opposite of Jaire questionable.  

Who wins?

 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Lifetime Packer fan...my prediction for the game.   

I might put in my Bucks beating Phoenix in game 6 Blu-ray instead.  

[edjr 6,898]

Built in excuse for Rodgers to choke again in a big game

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

Built in excuse for Rodgers to choke again in a big game

<sniffs bait, swims away>

[edjr 6,898]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

<sniffs bait, swims away>

Did the packers lose at home again in the NFC championship game last year, when the opposing team had 3 turnovers?

[listen2me 23 1,952]

4 minutes ago, edjr said:

Did the packers lose at home again in the NFC championship game last year, when the opposing team had 3 turnovers?

TB had the much better roster for sure.  But yes.  

[listen2me 23 1,952]

He certainly outplayed Tom l and went against the much tougher defense.  All that matters is wins and losses.  I get it.  But Tom goes down as clutch for winning in GB.  The Bucs won in spite of Tom lobbing ducks around.  

[listen2me 23 1,952]

But lets not get sidetracked.  This is a quality Thursday nighter for once.  

who wins who covers?

[edjr 6,898]

14 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

TB had the much better roster for sure.  But yes.  

More excuses.  Packers were favored by 3.5

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Just now, edjr said:

More excuses.  Packers were favored by 3.5

Ok Rodgers isn't good.  Tom outplayed him by far.

Moving on...

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Ok Rodgers isn't good.  Tim outplayed him by far.

Moving on...

Spit out the bait...spit out the bait!

[edjr 6,898]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ok Rodgers isn't good.  Tom outplayed him by far.

Moving on...

He's plenty good. Just a choker and a massive cxnt. It's okay.  Tom threw 2 terrible picks, 2 of the worst he has ever thrown in the playoffs.

[Gladiators 2,032]

I'll agree with ed that the Cards win.

[DonS 3,319]

13 minutes ago, edjr said:

He's plenty good. Just a choker and a massive cxnt. It's okay.  Tom threw 2 terrible picks, 2 of the worst he has ever thrown in the playoffs.

I like your use of the "x" to spell kvnt.  Reminds me of that stupid Latinx deal.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

38 minutes ago, edjr said:

He's plenty good. Just a choker and a massive cxnt. It's okay.  Tom threw 2 terrible picks, 2 of the worst he has ever thrown in the playoffs.

Only 1 was his fault.  Evans caused the other one.

[edjr 6,898]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Only 1 was his fault.  Evans caused the other one.

  don't pick on my Tom!

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

I'd give the 6.5 and take the under.  I'm guessing AZ wins 31-13.

[TBayXXXVII 2,669]

Just now, edjr said:

  don't pick on my Tom!

Just being accurate.

[Utilit99 4,099]

I'm taking Cards -6.5. 

I heard a weird stat though. Since  2019 the packers are 6-0 without Dante Adams in the lineup. And Rodgers has averaged more passing yards in those games than when Adams is playing. 

[edjr 6,898]

11 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I'm taking Cards -6.5. 

I heard a weird stat though. Since  2019 the packers are 6-0 without Dante Adams in the lineup. And Rodgers has averaged more passing yards in those games than when Adams is playing. 

No Lizard either. Who will he throw to?

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

16 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

I'm taking Cards -6.5. 

I heard a weird stat though. Since  2019 the packers are 6-0 without Dante Adams in the lineup. And Rodgers has averaged more passing yards in those games than when Adams is playing. 

He's forced to operate more as the offense is intended, where as when Davante is on the field, he tends to force more throws his way as D.A. can get the tougher throws for bigger plays.

In those previous cases though, he wasn't passing to the 4th,5th and 6th options.  If anything I'd expect to see a heavy dose of Aaron Jones & TE's Tonyan and Degura tonight. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

He's forced to operate more as the offense is intended, where as when Davante is on the field, he tends to force more throws his way as D.A. can get the tougher throws for bigger plays.

In those previous cases though, he wasn't passing to the 4th,5th and 6th options.  If anything I'd expect to see a heavy dose of Aaron Jones & TE's Tonyan and Degura tonight. 

Fantasy owners of Jones are salivating over this game. No doubt. Dude should catch 10 passes tonight.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

He's forced to operate more as the offense is intended, where as when Davante is on the field, he tends to force more throws his way as D.A. can get the tougher throws for bigger plays.

In those previous cases though, he wasn't passing to the 4th,5th and 6th options.  If anything I'd expect to see a heavy dose of Aaron Jones & TE's Tonyan and Degura tonight. 

I think it depends a lot on the defense obviously.  In a perfect world they run the ball well for long drives and finish off in thr redzone.  But if Cards are on their way to 35 pts then that strategy gets abandoned.  

They will have to get the backs involved in thr passing game for sure.  

I think Cobb will need a big game with a few of those give a nod plays.  MVS being active would go a long way in opening up thr field a bit even if he doesn't get many targets.  

Ideally RBs and TEs in a throwback PA game is the option.  But if Murray is picking up every 3rd down with his feet and demoralizing them, thrn Rodgers is going to need to let it rip.  Can the defense make the right stops? They keep everything in front but that does no good vs Murray running for every 3rd and 5.  

Murray's o/u rush yards is 26.5.  Seems crazy.   Heinicke ran for 95.  One was like a 50 yard scamper sure but still.  Going against a QB with speed is one of my biggest pet peeves in football.  They can't afford to shadow him because they don't have Jaire to shut down a side of thr field.

[DonS 3,319]

9 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Fantasy owners of Jones are salivating over this game. No doubt. Dude should catch 10 passes tonight.

God I hope so.

[edjr 6,898]

10 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Fantasy owners of Jones are salivating over this game. No doubt. Dude should catch 10 passes tonight.

Dillon will get a yooge workload tonight

[jerryskids 7,085]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

GB at AZ -6.5 o/u 50

Looks like JJ Watt needs season ending shoulder surgery and is out.  Big blow.

Packers a laundry list

Adams - covid, Lazard- close contact, MVS game time decision.  Top 3 WRs

Bahkitiari All Pro tackle- acl from last year. Myers starting center out

Zadarious Smith 12 sack a year player- out

Jaire Alexander top 2 CB in thr league out.  Kevin King day one starter opposite of Jaire questionable.  

Who wins?

 

 

Cards are dinged up too, a lot more than just JJ Watt.

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The Arizona Cardinals have ruled defensive end J.J Watt out of Thursday night’s game against the Green Bay Packers with a shoulder injury, the team announced Wednesday.

Watt was not a participant during the Cardinals short week of practice in preparation for the Packers. 

Additionally with Watt, starting wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins (hamstring) did not practice for the third straight day and was joined by center Max Garcia (Achilles) and defensive tackle Rashard Lawrence (calf) as non-participants. All three players have been listed as questionable for Thursday’s game, along with tight end Darrell Daniels (hamstring). 

Garcia, who for at least one more week will be filling in with starter Rodney Hudson on the injured reserve, joined Hopkins and Watt as new to the injury report after a Sunday win against the Houston Texans.

After being limited in Tuesday’s practice, linebackers Isaiah Simmons, Jordan Hicks, Devon Kennard and Tanner Vallejo were full participants on Wednesday.

Additionally, Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray was listed with a right finger injury, but he was a full participant in practice for a third straight day.

Green Bay has a relatively clean injury report, though it did lose its top two receivers in Davante Adams and Allen Lazard to the COVID-19 reserve list.

 

 

Also Chandler Jones just came back from Covid, the real kind where you get sick.  He apparently lost a lot of weight.  So I don’t expect him at full strength.

Center is a big concern.  Rodney Hudson is a pro bowler, and if his backup (Max Garcia) can’t go, they will have some scrub’s scrub centering the line.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Cards are rated best defense on 3rd and 4th downs.  

So the narrative becomes "cant get into 3rd and long" and that makes sense.  But you cant just run. Throw a 3 yard out.  Then pass on 3rd.  You can't become predictable.  You have to take some play action shots on 1st right out of the gate in my opinion.  Playing scared in a game you are "supposed" to win is a dumb idea in my opinion.  I mean if you think the defense can hold thr Cards at home to 21-24 pts then sure I guess try it.  But that seems like wishful thinking.  

[listen2me 23 1,952]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Cards are dinged up too, a lot more than just JJ Watt.

Also Chandler Jones just came back from Covid, the real kind where you get sick.  He apparently lost a lot of weight.  So I don’t expect him at full strength.

Center is a big concern.  Rodney Hudson is a pro bowler, and if his backup (Max Garcia) can’t go, they will have some scrub’s scrub centering the line.

I am not saying Cards aren't dinged.  But most of those players are going to play.  

[Bert 1,128]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ok Rodgers isn't good.  Tom outplayed him by far.

Moving on...

To be fair Favre and Rogers have the same number of superbowl victories as Dilfer and McMahon.  

[Utilit99 4,099]

The Bears who were crushed by TB were only 3 points down late in the game to GB before their offense bombed out near the end. 

[listen2me 23 1,952]

9 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I am not saying Cards aren't dinged.  But most of those players are going to play.  

Kenny Clark Dean Lowry Preston Smith among others are all "questionable". Preston didnt play last week. 

I didn't bother adding those guys.

[Bert 1,128]

11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Kenny Clark Dean Lowry Preston Smith among others are all "questionable". Preston didnt play last week. 

I didn't bother adding those guys.

Doesn't Hopkins also have a hamstring issue?

[edjr 6,898]

1 minute ago, Bert said:

Doesn't Hopkins also have a hamstring issue?

4life

[Utilit99 4,099]

11 minutes ago, Bert said:

Doesn't Hopkins also have a hamstring issue?

And yet he still has 7 TDs this year. The Cards are moving the ball around more this year. Hopkins only has like 45-50 targets on the year. I think last year at this point he had over 70. So he is still producing but is less involved as a primary all game go-to guy. That's a luxury.

[Bert 1,128]

21 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

And yet he still has 7 TDs this year. The Cards are moving the ball around more this year. Hopkins only has like 45-50 targets on the year. I think last year at this point he had over 70. So he is still producing but is less involved as a primary all game go-to guy. That's a luxury.

And without having to focus on Hopkins, far and away the Cards best receiver, things get tighter for the other receivers.  

[listen2me 23 1,952]

40 minutes ago, Bert said:

Doesn't Hopkins also have a hamstring issue?

Yeah.  Jerry pointed that out in his post.  He will play and catch 3 TDs ai am sure.

[Bert 1,128]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Yeah.  Jerry pointed that out in his post.  He will play and catch 3 TDs ai am sure.

He is tough and plays through injuries that would side line most diva WR.

[listen2me 23 1,952]

2 minutes ago, Bert said:

He is tough and plays through injuries that would side line most diva WR.

I agree.  I like him as a WR.  I do feel he lost a step in there somewhere.  I could be wrong as I don't watch a ton of Cards games.  It could be the Watson to Murray change.  Just seems like in Houston he went downfield more.  Even if he has, he has the best hands in football in all likelihood.  Tough to cover 1 on 1 inside the 5.  Great body control.

[Bert 1,128]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

I agree.  I like him as a WR.  I do feel he lost a step in there somewhere.  I could be wrong as I don't watch a ton of Cards games.  It could be the Watson to Murray change.  Just seems like in Houston he went downfield more.  Even if he has, he has the best hands in football in all likelihood.  Tough to cover 1 on 1 inside the 5.  Great body control.

It could be the routes the Cards offense has him running.  He is not the fastest guy and only appeared to be down field more with the Texans because of the amount of busted plays that resulted from horrible offensive line play.

[DonS 3,319]

12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Yeah.  Jerry pointed that out in his post.  He will play and catch 3 TDs ai am sure.

Without a doubt.  Can you guess who my opponent has?