GobbleDog 999 Posted April 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Give it a few minutes. Ukraine is winning. Do we really want Ukraine to win too quickly? The longer the war continues, the weaker Russia gets. Whenever it ends, I hope the U.S. presents a bill to Ukraine for all those weapons. We didn't give England free weapons to fight WW2. It took 60+ years to pay it all back, and of course resulted in the British Empire falling apart... that's on Churchill. Worked out well for the U.S. though - we got famously rich off those stubborn blokes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: China NEEDS Russia. Period. Anyone who thinks China will come down on Russia is a fool. Although I doubt there is anyone who does. China typically will drive a hard bargain when it comes to this kind of situation. Just ask Iran. Oh, so no one wants your oil? We'll buy it - but at a drastic discount. This story says they'll honor existing contracts but not create new ones, even with a drastic discount. That's significant, as is India's condemnation of what went down in Bucha and elsewhere. Plus at this point countries worldwide risk condemnation and alienation if they don't climb aboard the international-outrage bandwagon in some way. We haven't seen anything this brutal since World War II, and we've only seen things through a keyhole so far. What happened in Bucha might be a bucket drop compared to what's happening in Mariupol, which has seen unbelievable devastation. Putin has secured his place with Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, not to mention that he orchestrated one of history's biggest military blunders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, GobbleDog said: Do we really want Ukraine to win too quickly? The longer the war continues, the weaker Russia gets. Whenever it ends, I hope the U.S. presents a bill to Ukraine for all those weapons. We didn't give England free weapons to fight WW2. It took 60+ years to pay it all back, and of course resulted in the British Empire falling apart... that's on Churchill. Worked out well for the U.S. though - we got famously rich off those stubborn blokes. They won't win too quickly. This thing could drag on for years. Russia is running out of soldiers, military equipment, money and parts for repairs and maintenance. While some Russians believe their government's propaganda machine, myriad others do not, and only so much time can pass before they really understand what's going on as their soldiers come back horribly maimed, in body bags or not at all. Putin can't fool all of the people all of the time. In my opinion, the country's only way out of this is kicking Putin to the curb, stopping the war and doing what it can to make reparations to Ukraine. Otherwise, the Ukrainians will just keep fighting to the last person standing, with a never-ending flow of equipment and supplies from the West. Russia will emerge from this the weakest it was been in a long time. I worked near Fort Hood in Texas a long time ago and attended a lot of breakfasts, luncheons and other events the U.S. Army hosted. They were always talking about "readiness," meaning the ability at a moment's notice to engage in a conflict somewhere. The equipment was always kept in top shape, and the field exercises/training never stopped for the soldiers as well as reserves. Sometimes I wonder whether we were wasting a huge amount of money on a conflict that would never come. Yet here it is. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians has exposed the Russians' lack of preparation and P.O.S. military. Big, bad Russia can't even bully a country with a fraction of the military strength, at least on paper. This is all an amazing thing to behold, and the atrocities of Bucha and elsewhere have sealed Russia's fate - defeat and shame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 6, 2022 47 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: China NEEDS Russia. Period. Anyone who thinks China will come down on Russia is a fool. Although I doubt there is anyone who does. Lol, they don’t need anyone, much less Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 999 Posted April 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: the country's only way out of this is kicking Putin to the curb, stopping the war and doing what it can to make reparations to Ukraine. I agree - not sure Putin will be easily kicked. My worry is if Putin is replaced, the new leader might fool the world into trusting Russia again. Regardless of who's "president", Russia should be banned from international commerce and foreign investment for at least another 50+ years. The world shouldn't do business with brutal dictators - like they've been doing for the last 30+ years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said: More sanctions being issued today. We're sending over 600 of those nasty tank-killing drones. More and more stuff is being done daily, and not the international community is outraged over the slaughter. Give it a few minutes. Ukraine is winning. What will a Ukraine victory entail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted April 6, 2022 People should read about Operation Jubilee and the early days of the US attempting to enter WW2. America was considered weak and passive and its early attempts at fighting were a total joke. George Washington mostly lost his battles and only won because France helped in the end. You can't really say at this point in time Russia is going to lose lol. Well, I mean Rusty is gonna say it, but he has no education and especially no education on military history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, IGotWorms said: Lol, they don’t need anyone, much less Russia. Explains a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,705 Posted April 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: We have to do more. What’s NATO waiting for ? The sanctions aren’t stopping the slaughter. I don't buy you are a true supporter unless you include the Ukrainian flag at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,705 Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, TimmySmith said: China NEEDS Russia. Period. Anyone who thinks China will come down on Russia is a fool. Although I doubt there is anyone who does. Preach! Like we're supposed to believe China isn't going to do what's best for China.  Not buying Russian oil. Yeah, I bet they aren't buying Russia oil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, nobody said: Preach! Like we're supposed to believe China isn't going to do what's best for China.  Not buying Russian oil. Yeah, I bet they aren't buying Russia oil. I have explained about 50 times in this thread that Europe's insatiable appetite for Chinese junk is as big as America's, and Russia is the Pacific Ocean, except faster and cheaper. worms is a low level thinker, but still expect higher than the rest of the no thinking libs.  My bad.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, nobody said: I don't buy you are a true supporter unless you include the Ukrainian flag at the end. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,380 Posted April 6, 2022 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 45 minutes ago, Gepetto said: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340  So Putin doesn't get what he doesn't want, gets everything he wants, and that is a loss. If they say so. We should all lose that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,705 Posted April 6, 2022 I'm no fan of Russia or Putin, but we should be cheering for a way for Russia to save face. It's the safest way to end this without escalating. What you don't want is Putin backed into a corner thinking he's going to lose his station over Russia. That could invoke desperation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, TimmySmith said:  So Putin doesn't get what he doesn't want, gets everything he wants, and that is a loss. If they say so. We should all lose that bad. Right? Russia already won the war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 4 hours ago, GobbleDog said: I agree - not sure Putin will be easily kicked. My worry is if Putin is replaced, the new leader might fool the world into trusting Russia again. Regardless of who's "president", Russia should be banned from international commerce and foreign investment for at least another 50+ years. The world shouldn't do business with brutal dictators - like they've been doing for the last 30+ years. I agree. The international community should be so tough on Russia that no country thinks about doing this crap again in the foreseeable future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Gepetto said: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340 Ding! 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: What will a Ukraine victory entail? Ukraine already has won. Russia got its ass kicked trying to take Kyiv, so taking the whole county and then holding it isn't happening. If it did, every wrinkle-faced old peasant woman in the land will be handing Russians poisoned food, chunking Molotov cocktails or hitting them with a cane - and that will be the least of their worries. This is reminiscent of the Soviet Union attack on Finland between 1939 and 1940. An outgunned and outmanned Finnish military bloodied and embarrassed the Soviets, inflicting insane losses. The Fins ceded some land, but the Soviets were the real losers here. The good that came from it was getting Hitler to think the Soviet military was weak and easily beaten. All said, this an ideological battle that has been going on for decades, and the line in the sand has been drawn in Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 44 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: I agree. The international community should be so tough on Russia that no country thinks about doing this crap again in the foreseeable future. Like Iraq? How did those sanctions work out? Saddam was still doing his thing. While we wait for sanctions Ukrainians are being slaughtered. We must do more. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:  Ukraine already has won.  Talk about being on the moon. Jeez. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 Just now, Utilit99 said:  Talk about being on the moon. Jeez. Sad libs are hanging on whatever the media says. Let's see how much land Putin gives back. And what he gets.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: Sad libs are hanging on whatever the media says. Let's see how much land Putin gives back. And what he gets.  And I think I heard Russia took over a key area that has the 2nd largest natural gas reserve in Europe. But I guess that's a victory for Ukraine somehow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: And I think I heard Russia took over a key area that has the 2nd largest natural gas reserve in Europe. But I guess that's a victory for Ukraine somehow? The waters off Crimea are also a big deposit of fossil fuels. Untapped as of yet. Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The waters off Crimea are also a big deposit of fossil fuels. Untapped as of yet.  While millions of people had to leave their homes and take shelter in Poland, sleeping in subways with little children, their cities are being turned to rubble and 1000s were killed, and they lost all those resources and key ports for trade. How is that not a victory for Ukraine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 The Bidens were involved deeply and benefited from corruption in Ukraine. You have to think it affects his foreign policy decisions.  Also Russia and China. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Utilit99 said: While millions of people had to leave their homes and take shelter in Poland, sleeping in subways with little children, their cities are being turned to rubble and 1000s were killed, and they lost all those resources and key ports for trade. How is that not a victory for Ukraine? The brave Ukrainian homeowners with shotguns pushed back a top 3 military force in the world. Hugest upset ever. So brave. Nothing further to talk about here, isn't there a new variant. And Jada Pinkett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:  Ukraine already has won. So since Ukraine has had such an amazing victory, is it ok we talk about our own problems at our border? Or are you and all the other board liberals gonna continue to whine about that? Or do you want to cry more about an ex president who is barely in the news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Utilit99 said: So since Ukraine has had such an amazing victory, is it ok we talk about our own problems at our border? Or are you and all the other board liberals gonna continue to whine about that? Or do you want to cry more about an ex president who is barely in the news. You know it's possible to simultaneously care about multiple things without discarding things. You're the king of thread diarrhea, so go start an official border-crisis thread, and I won't fock it up by saying you shouldn't care about that because Ukraine. I say Ukraine has already won in the sense that even if Russia somehow manages to defeat the Ukraine military and occupy all or part of the country, the Ukers have shown a bravery, toughness, resilience, perseverance and love for country that all of us should feel about our own, only we're too busy pointing fingers, digging in our heels and being intolerant to find common ground and actually move the sticks in the right direction. This Ukraine thing is only just beginning. As I said earlier, the carnage in Mariupol likely would eclipse that in Bucha, and I was right. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/mariupol-dead-5-000-russia-war-ukraine-00023560 More than focking 5,000 civilians dead. Meanwhile, you get your panties in a wad about Juan crossing the border with his family and taking a low-wage job that no one wants, washing dishes in some dirtbag Mexican Food restaurant in South Texas. Think for yourself instead of huffing Tucker Carlson's on-air flatulence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: You know it's possible to simultaneously care about multiple things without discarding things. You're the king of thread diarrhea, so go start an official border-crisis thread, and I won't fock it up by saying you shouldn't care about that because Ukraine. . Nah, you'll just continue to whine about Trump in every post. But I agreed with you here. While millions of people had to leave their homes and take shelter in Poland, sleeping in subways with little children, their cities are being turned to rubble and 1000s were killed, and they lost all those resources and key ports for trade. How is that not a victory for Ukraine?   Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: You know it's possible to simultaneously care about multiple things without discarding things. You're the king of thread diarrhea, so go start an official border-crisis thread, and I won't fock it up by saying you shouldn't care about that because Ukraine. I say Ukraine has already won in the sense that even if Russia somehow manages to defeat the Ukraine military and occupy all or part of the country, the Ukers have shown a bravery, toughness, resilience, perseverance and love for country that all of us should feel about our own, only we're too busy pointing fingers, digging in our heels and being intolerant to find common ground and actually move the sticks in the right direction. This Ukraine thing is only just beginning. As I said earlier, the carnage in Mariupol likely would eclipse that in Bucha, and I was right. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/06/mariupol-dead-5-000-russia-war-ukraine-00023560 More than focking 5,000 civilians dead. Meanwhile, you get your panties in a wad about Juan crossing the border with his family and taking a low-wage job that no one wants, washing dishes in some dirtbag Mexican Food restaurant in South Texas. Think for yourself instead of huffing Tucker Carlson's on-air flatulence. You’re like a kid.  The people who lost family members DGAF about all that hokey bullshit you just spewed. Stop using their suffering to make your political and virtuous proclamations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You’re like a kid.  The people who lost family members DGAF about all that hokey bullshit you just spewed. Stop using their suffering to make your political and virtuous proclamations. But Western officials said so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 And if these handful of illegals are just going to south Texas, then why are they flying them to NY in the middle of the night? And where are these illegal kids going to go to school? Rusty is so uninformed it’s not funny. It’s not funny that with all the information at his fingertips he can remain this unaware.  Sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 Rusty lives in Texas. Â Unaware of the skyrocketing murder rate in Houston. Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: And if these handful of illegals are just going to south Texas, then why are they flying them to NY in the middle of the night? And where are these illegal kids going to go to school? Rusty is so uninformed it’s not funny. It’s not funny that with all the information at his fingertips he can remain this unaware.  Sad. Show me on the doll where the illegal immigrant touched you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: But Western officials said so. rusty is so damaged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,520 Posted April 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said: Show me on the doll where the illegal immigrant touched you. You got nothin. Loser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Rusty lives in Texas.  Unaware of the skyrocketing murder rate in Houston.  You must be unaware as well, seeing as it didn't even make this Top 65 list. https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/66/ I'll bet it's a lot lower than Mariupol this year. Pimpadeaux wins again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted April 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: But Western officials said so. Would the eastern autocrats that you love say? Should definitely take their word and side with them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:  Pimpadeaux wins again!  Western officials said so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted April 6, 2022 22 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: And if these handful of illegals are just going to south Texas, then why are they flying them to NY in the middle of the night? And where are these illegal kids going to go to school? Rusty is so uninformed it’s not funny. It’s not funny that with all the information at his fingertips he can remain this unaware.  Sad. Biden is operating under the same border policy that Clowzno laid down. So therefore, Clownzo's border policy was a failure. Congrats on being loyal to failure and supporting illegal immigration in this country. I hope one of your kids marries an illegal alien. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites