Twitter adopts 'poison pill' to prevent Elon Musk takeover

[Raven Fan 362]

Who was the president when the FBI was talking to twitter?

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

You're embarrassing yourself.

 

I’m not embarrassed. Anybody can submit tips to Twitter (still), Including the FBI if they want to. Twitter isn’t obligated to do anything about it. Also, Trump was president when all this occurred.

[jonmx 2,424]

56 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I’m not embarrassed. Anybody can submit tips to Twitter (still), Including the FBI if they want to. Twitter isn’t obligated to do anything about it. Also, Trump was president when all this occurred.

No they can't.  Not only is it a violation of the 1st Amendment using government authority to deny someone the right to speech, it is also a violation of the Hatch Act of employees using their government position to engage in politics.   Hopefully lots of federal employees lose their jobs and people are able to successfully sue the government.   

[Reality 3,102]

And Covid.

 

[TimHauck 2,624]

On 12/24/2022 at 9:47 PM, jonmx said:

No they can't.  Not only is it a violation of the 1st Amendment using government authority to deny someone the right to speech, it is also a violation of the Hatch Act of employees using their government position to engage in politics.   Hopefully lots of federal employees lose their jobs and people are able to successfully sue the government.   

I take it you haven’t read any of the twitter files?  The government wasn’t denying them sh1t (at least as it pertains to twitter), they were calling attention to people they thought were violating twitter’s policies and twitter chose what they wanted to do with that information.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

On 12/24/2022 at 9:47 PM, jonmx said:

No they can't.  Not only is it a violation of the 1st Amendment using government authority to deny someone the right to speech, it is also a violation of the Hatch Act of employees using their government position to engage in politics.   Hopefully lots of federal employees lose their jobs and people are able to successfully sue the government.   

All that is coming. The lawsuits will be awesome 

[jonmx 2,424]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I take it you haven’t read any of the twitter files?  The government wasn’t denying them sh1t (at least as it pertains to twitter), they were calling attention to people they thought were violating twitter’s policies and twitter chose what they wanted to do with that information.

You don't understand sh1t.  The FBI was paying Twitter.  The tech giants were acting as agents for the government.   If I pay for someone to murder someone, I am still guilty of the crime eventhough I did not pull the trigger.  

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You don't understand sh1t.  The FBI was paying Twitter.  The tech giants were acting as agents for the government.   If I pay for someone to murder someone, I am still guilty of the crime eventhough I did not pull the trigger.  

Who'd the FBI work for during this time?

[jonmx 2,424]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All that is coming. The lawsuits will be awesome 

I hope so, but will believe it when I see it.  Some states are bringing suits against the feds.  The Biden administration and Justice Department are not going to take any action against the rogue FBI.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

FBI agents were notifying Twitter of violations of Twitter policy, not illegal acts.  Think about that.  It’s really all you need to know about how wrong this was. 

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

FBI agents were notifying Twitter of violations of Twitter policy, not illegal acts.  Think about that.  It’s really all you need to know about how wrong this was. 

Who'd the FBI report to during this time?

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

Who'd the FBI work for during this time?

 

What does it matter.  The FBI is working as a rogue organization.  The FBI should have been disbanded during J. Edger Hoover as they were paying Lee Harvey Oswald $200 a week during the JFK assassination.  The FBI had a paid informant on the books prior to the Oklahoma City Bombing.  They had about a dozen of paid informants for the Whitmer case and January 6th.  The FBI is rogue and acts above the law with their own agenda.   They lie to the courts to spy on people or raid homes of journalists.   There is no one that keeps them in check.   It needs to be gutted and revamped with non-partisan oversight.

[TimHauck 2,624]

17 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You don't understand sh1t.  The FBI was paying Twitter.  The tech giants were acting as agents for the government.   If I pay for someone to murder someone, I am still guilty of the crime eventhough I did not pull the trigger.  

They weren’t acting as agents for the government though, because a lot of the time they didn’t do what the government asked

[jonmx 2,424]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They weren’t acting as agents for the government though, because a lot of the time they didn’t do what the government asked

Since they only denied fundamental rights of 9,000 people instead of the 10,000 the FBI requested, it is all good?  That is your arguement?  Really?  

[TimHauck 2,624]

Just now, jonmx said:

Since they only denied fundamental rights of 9,000 people instead of the 10,000 the FBI requested, it is all good?  That is your arguement?  Really?  

The fundamental right to violate twitter policies?  Lol.

[jonmx 2,424]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The fundamental right to violate twitter policies?  Lol.

It is a platform for all people to express their views.  Politicians reach out to the public.  New organizations get their stories out.  All types of people can express their views.  Social media is our modern day public square that needs protection from an authoritarian government wishing to control the narrative.  I know you are smarter than this.   You can see the dangers if the right controlled things.  In fact it is a much much larger scale and with far more reach than anything that happened during McCarthyism, which the left had a cow over for 50 years.  The left only shut up recently about McCarthyism because they know that is exactly what they are doing today.

[dogcows 1,030]

52 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You don't understand sh1t.  The FBI was paying Twitter.  The tech giants were acting as agents for the government.   If I pay for someone to murder someone, I am still guilty of the crime eventhough I did not pull the trigger.  

The money was required by law, and related to warrants, not these emails saying “this account might violate your TOS”. When the government gets a warrant, they have to reimburse the companies for the time/effort it takes to retrieve the information. It’s yet another example of the journalistic malfeasance of these “Twitter Files” goons that they muddied the water with something like that. They knew they were conflating two unrelated things, and went for it anyway. It fooled a lot of people, not just you… so don’t feel bad. Shame on them.

[dogcows 1,030]

48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

FBI agents were notifying Twitter of violations of Twitter policy, not illegal acts.  Think about that.  It’s really all you need to know about how wrong this was. 

Why is that wrong? Anybody is allowed to report possible TOS violations to Twitter… including you, me, crazy uncle Frank, or the FBI.

[jonmx 2,424]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The money was required by law, and related to warrants, not these emails saying “this account might violate your TOS”. When the government gets a warrant, they have to reimburse the companies for the time/effort it takes to retrieve the information. It’s yet another example of the journalistic malfeasance of these “Twitter Files” goons that they muddied the water with something like that. They knew they were conflating two unrelated things, and went for it anyway. It fooled a lot of people, not just you… so don’t feel bad. Shame on them.

Which warrants required over $3 million in labor?  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why is that wrong? Anybody is allowed to report possible TOS violations to Twitter… including you, me, crazy uncle Frank, or the FBI.

Yup, you just don’t get it. The FBI is responsible for the law, not corporate policy. That’s fascism.  

[jonmx 2,424]

10 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Why is that wrong? Anybody is allowed to report possible TOS violations to Twitter… including you, me, crazy uncle Frank, or the FBI.

It is a clear violation of the Hatch Act for federal employees to spend their time during working hours to work on partisan TOS violations.  TOS is of no interest to the federal government.  

[jonmx 2,424]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup, you just don’t get it. The FBI is responsible for the law, not corporate policy. That’s fascism.  

Modern leftist loves real fascism.   It is their way to do an end run around that evil Constitution and those f-ing individual rights. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is a clear violation of the Hatch Act for federal employees to spend their time during working hours to work on partisan TOS violations.  TOS is of no interest to the federal government.  

If the FBI was involved to the extent they were, so much they had to reimburse Twitter millions, then where are the arrests? No one gets charged by a law enforcement agency after spending the amount of time and resources they did on Twitter? What were they doing then if not pursing crime and criminals? They shouid be able to at least point  to something, anything and say “we protected the country from this”.  Well what is it? Memes? 

[TimHauck 2,624]

29 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is a platform for all people to express their views.  Politicians reach out to the public.  New organizations get their stories out.  All types of people can express their views.  Social media is our modern day public square that needs protection from an authoritarian government wishing to control the narrative.  I know you are smarter than this.   You can see the dangers if the right controlled things.  In fact it is a much much larger scale and with far more reach than anything that happened during McCarthyism, which the left had a cow over for 50 years.  The left only shut up recently about McCarthyism because they know that is exactly what they are doing today.

Lol, Twitter wasn’t just banning people for “expressing their views.”  And even if they were, there are plenty of other places they could “express their views”

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

People were posting "Twitter Files" posts on Christmas Eve..

 

Ouch dude....sorry your family doesn't want you around. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

Remember when we were told Twitter is a private company? Why is a private company letting the FBI influence how they operate? 

[dogcows 1,030]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If the FBI was involved to the extent they were, so much they had to reimburse Twitter millions, then where are the arrests? No one gets charged by a law enforcement agency after spending the amount of time and resources they did on Twitter? What were they doing then if not pursing crime and criminals? They shouid be able to at least point  to something, anything and say “we protected the country from this”.  Well what is it? Memes? 

Educate yourself. Here’s a start:

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Facing an increasing number of requests for its users’ information, Google began charging law enforcement and other government agencies this month for legal demands seeking data such as emails, location tracking information and search queries.

Google’s fees range from $45 for a subpoena and $60 for a wiretap to $245 for a search warrant, according to a notice sent to law enforcement officials and reviewed by The New York Times. The notice also included fees for other legal requests.

A spokesman for Google said the fees were intended in part to help offset the costs of complying with warrants and subpoenas.

Federal law allows companies to charge the government reimbursement fees of this type, but Google’s decision is a major change in how it deals with legal requests.

Cell service companies like Verizon have charged the government for similar requests for many years.

Many companies such as Apple, Microsoft, etc. have public policies on this as well.

A tip of “this account might be violating your TOS” is not an official records request, so this money wouldn’t apply. Which is why I say the “journalists”‘ of the Twitter files are full of .

Multiple reporters looked into this and found that the money is not related to moderation whatsoever. 

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but sometimes people committing crimes use Twitter DMs or other technology to communicate. Hence, Court orders to turn over records. With 250 million Twitter users, reimbursements of 3.5 million in 2 years on such requests is about what you might expect.

You could have looked all this up yourself, but maybe you’d rather mindlessly swallow whatever narrative Musk shoves into your mouth.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

Just now, dogcows said:

Educate yourself. Here’s a start:

Cell service companies like Verizon have charged the government for similar requests for many years.

Many companies such as Apple, Microsoft, etc. have public policies on this as well.

A tip of “this account might be violating your TOS” is not an official records request, so this money wouldn’t apply. Which is why I say the “journalists”‘ of the Twitter files are full of .

Multiple reporters looked into this and found that the money is not related to moderation whatsoever. 

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but sometimes people committing crimes use Twitter DMs or other technology to communicate. Hence, Court orders to turn over records. With 250 million Twitter users, reimbursements of 3.5 million in 2 years on such requests is about what you might expect.

You could have looked all this up yourself, but maybe you’d rather mindlessly swallow whatever narrative Musk shoves into your mouth.

That’s great. So, any arrests? Any Grand Juries empaneled ? If not, then what were they doing? What were they protecting us from? That’s their job. Please inform us what exactly they were pursing? Misinformation? Not their job. 

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Educate yourself. Here’s a start:

Cell service companies like Verizon have charged the government for similar requests for many years.

Many companies such as Apple, Microsoft, etc. have public policies on this as well.

A tip of “this account might be violating your TOS” is not an official records request, so this money wouldn’t apply. Which is why I say the “journalists”‘ of the Twitter files are full of .

Multiple reporters looked into this and found that the money is not related to moderation whatsoever. 

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but sometimes people committing crimes use Twitter DMs or other technology to communicate. Hence, Court orders to turn over records. With 250 million Twitter users, reimbursements of 3.5 million in 2 years on such requests is about what you might expect.

You could have looked all this up yourself, but maybe you’d rather mindlessly swallow whatever narrative Musk shoves into your mouth.

He'd had to read and understand something...this post already is too long for him. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

He'd had to read and understand something...this post already is too long for him. 

I thought you were done with me after confirming the mental breakdown I caused you? 

[Sean Mooney 1,942]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I thought you were done with me after confirming the mental breakdown I caused you? 

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[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

9 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Educate yourself. Here’s a start:

Cell service companies like Verizon have charged the government for similar requests for many years.

Many companies such as Apple, Microsoft, etc. have public policies on this as well.

A tip of “this account might be violating your TOS” is not an official records request, so this money wouldn’t apply. Which is why I say the “journalists”‘ of the Twitter files are full of .

Multiple reporters looked into this and found that the money is not related to moderation whatsoever. 

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but sometimes people committing crimes use Twitter DMs or other technology to communicate. Hence, Court orders to turn over records. With 250 million Twitter users, reimbursements of 3.5 million in 2 years on such requests is about what you might expect.

You could have looked all this up yourself, but maybe you’d rather mindlessly swallow whatever narrative Musk shoves into your mouth.

Also, when LE wants DM’s and such to investigate a crime, they get a warrant. Where are the warrants here? Where’s the crime? 

[jonmx 2,424]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol, Twitter wasn’t just banning people for “expressing their views.”  And even if they were, there are plenty of other places they could “express their views”

Ummm, yes they were.  Especially those speaking out against COVID policies. 

[Reality 3,102]

I mean, I know a very small number of people here have to downplay all of this because of how grossly partisan they are but, this pretty much sums up the most recent release. Everyone should be outraged.

Hopefully, we'll learn from this and be better going forward. We have to move the discussion forward, the folks who aren't interested in that have outted themselves. Stop letting them steer discussion. They no longer represent our values, stop treating their opinions as if they matter.

Adding this as well:

 

 

[Reality 3,102]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I thought you were done with me after confirming the mental breakdown I caused you? 

After finding out how damaged that individual is, I can no longer take his responses seriously. He's absolutely broken and sadly, possibly a danger to himself or others.

[TimHauck 2,624]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

I mean, I know a very small number of people here have to downplay all of this because of how grossly partisan they are but, this pretty much sums up the most recent release. Everyone should be outraged.

Hopefully, we'll learn from this and be better going forward. We have to move the discussion forward, the folks who aren't interested in that have outted themselves. Stop letting them steer discussion. They no longer represent our values, stop treating their opinions as if they matter.

Adding this as well:

 

 

There was plenty of open debate about the risks of Covid to kids.   If that is supposed to be a metaphor for closing schools (I’d argue they are 2 different arguments), the risk to kids isn’t really the main reason schools were closed.

I’d also argue there was open debate about restrictions, unless your definition of “open debate” is the “debate” should have resulted in there being no restrictions.  But I think the fact there was open debate about this is evident in the different strategies employed by different states.

There was not open debate about Covid origins, but I don’t think that would have changed much.  Also friendly reminder that while Biden was criticizing China while he was a candidate, Trump said they were doing a great job.

The “openness” of the debate about the vaccine is probably a gray area, and that was I think all but one of the examples Zweig used.  Oddly the quoted sentence didn’t even mention vaccines.

[TimHauck 2,624]

Looks like we finally got some of Trump’s requests btw:

 

 

[jonmx 2,424]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There was plenty of open debate about the risks of Covid to kids.   If that is supposed to be a metaphor for closing schools (I’d argue they are 2 different arguments), the risk to kids isn’t really the main reason schools were closed.

I’d also argue there was open debate about restrictions, unless your definition of “open debate” is the “debate” should have resulted in there being no restrictions.  But I think the fact there was open debate about this is evident in the different strategies employed by different states.

There was not open debate about Covid origins, but I don’t think that would have changed much.  Also friendly reminder that while Biden was criticizing China while he was a candidate, Trump said they were doing a great job.

The “openness” of the debate about the vaccine is probably a gray area, and that was I think all but one of the examples Zweig used.  Oddly the quoted sentence didn’t even mention vaccines.

Open discussion?  Like when Biden's Justice Department and FBI set up hotlines so that parents who protest COVID policies get a visit from the FBI.  No chilling effect there. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

1 hour ago, Reality said:

After finding out how damaged that individual is, I can no longer take his responses seriously. He's absolutely broken and sadly, possibly a danger to himself or others.

He has issues. 

[jonmx 2,424]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Educate yourself. Here’s a start:

Cell service companies like Verizon have charged the government for similar requests for many years.

Many companies such as Apple, Microsoft, etc. have public policies on this as well.

A tip of “this account might be violating your TOS” is not an official records request, so this money wouldn’t apply. Which is why I say the “journalists”‘ of the Twitter files are full of .

Multiple reporters looked into this and found that the money is not related to moderation whatsoever. 

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but sometimes people committing crimes use Twitter DMs or other technology to communicate. Hence, Court orders to turn over records. With 250 million Twitter users, reimbursements of 3.5 million in 2 years on such requests is about what you might expect.

You could have looked all this up yourself, but maybe you’d rather mindlessly swallow whatever narrative Musk shoves into your mouth.

If these companies are charging $50 or $60 per request and the government is running up millions of dollars worth of charges, if you used your brain you would realize the explanation is a boatload of crap.    But leftists are gullible and love an abusive government.