Another PSU Football sex scandal?

[TimHauck 3,458]

 

 

[Alias Detective 1,475]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

Bad title.  No sex involved. Just photos and extortion.

[TimmySmith 2,783]

2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Bad title.  No sex involved. Just photos and extortion.

And videos.  And if they are in the locker room that could be a problem.  But it appears to be straight up extortion of extremely stupid football players. 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

As much as I can't stand the PSU football program it looks like this one isn't their fault.  They are being sexually extorted. 

[cyclone24 1,949]

When did Hunter Biden enroll at Penn State?

 

 

(Low hanging fruit joke)

[shovelheadt 72]

Thought you might be referring to this guy. Stone cold psychopath. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32496588/before-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-had-another-serial-sexual-predator-untold-story-crimes-fight-bring-justice

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

37 minutes ago, shovelheadt said:

Thought you might be referring to this guy. Stone cold psychopath. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32496588/before-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-had-another-serial-sexual-predator-untold-story-crimes-fight-bring-justice

 

 

That sounds about right.  I wish they would've shut the football program down.

[TimHauck 3,458]

On 7/18/2022 at 12:38 PM, shovelheadt said:

Thought you might be referring to this guy. Stone cold psychopath. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32496588/before-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-had-another-serial-sexual-predator-untold-story-crimes-fight-bring-justice

 

 

Wow, hadn’t seen that, thanks for sharing.  Interesting read, but super long.

Speaking of Sandusky, I occasionally browse a PSU wrestling forum and sometimes people will link to the football forum.  There was a thread talking about Sandusky filing a new appeal or something.  Apparently there are multiple posters there that think he’s innocent which is crazy to me.

[craftsman 1,045]

 

On 7/18/2022 at 5:16 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

That sounds about right.  I wish they would've shut the football program down.

So every company or organization that has a couple bad guys working for it should be shut down? If that were to happen, I don't think we would have many companies left in this country.

[TimHauck 3,458]

On 7/18/2022 at 12:38 PM, shovelheadt said:

Thought you might be referring to this guy. Stone cold psychopath. 

https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/32496588/before-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-football-had-another-serial-sexual-predator-untold-story-crimes-fight-bring-justice

 

 

Also, remember how the GC says it’s only a recent problem that violent criminals are allowed to walk on bond?

[Alias Detective 1,475]

On 7/18/2022 at 1:16 PM, Hawkeye21 said:

That sounds about right.  I wish they would've shut the football program down.

 

8 hours ago, craftsman said:

 

So every company or organization that has a couple bad guys working for it should be shut down? If that were to happen, I don't think we would have many companies left in this country.

It’s the only way Iowa can beat us.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

10 hours ago, craftsman said:

 

So every company or organization that has a couple bad guys working for it should be shut down? If that were to happen, I don't think we would have many companies left in this country.

If the company was responsible for covering up multiple instances for multiple years, yes.  I think the football program should've gotten what SMU did years ago.  Screw them.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

 

It’s the only way Iowa can beat us.

Riiiight.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If the company was responsible for covering up multiple instances for multiple years, yes.  I think the football program should've gotten what SMU did years ago.  Screw them.

If that's your stance, then you should want the entire school shut down.  There were people on the board that apparently knew about the accusations and never said anything.  You should also think the NFL should be shut down because of Daniel Snyder.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

23 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If that's your stance, then you should want the entire school shut down.  There were people on the board that apparently knew about the accusations and never said anything.  You should also think the NFL should be shut down because of Daniel Snyder.

Why the entire NFL?

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why the entire NFL?

You don't think the NFL knew about the accusations?  They definitely knew... that's why they threw Gruden under the bus.  They said to everyone, and most people listened to them... "look over there at that racist/homophobe, stop looking over here at the team".  We are about 9 months post-Gruden firing and we haven't heard ONE word about anything else.  The "investigation" was supposed to be about Snyder covering up and/or allowing sexual harassment within the organization... yet, Gruden's emails (someone with absolutely no tie to the team what-so-ever), with a former GM that had absolutely nothing at all to due with any of that, got released.  Why is that?  It's probably because there's accusations like this league-wide and the woman probably sign NDA's.  No owner is going to throw another owner under the bus because it's going to create blowback.  They're all in "C.Y.A." mode right now and the league office is heading that up.

So, if you think Penn State should completely lose their football team because of 2 or 3 people, well, it goes higher up.  Members of the board knew too.  So, if not everyone in the football program covering up something results in the whole program being shut down... then, because a few members of the board covering it up should result in the same - the entire school being shut down.  With the NFL, one owner covered things, so his football team gets shut down.  Willing to bet that others in the league and league office knew too, so - same treatment, they get shutdown too.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

You don't think the NFL knew about the accusations?  They definitely knew... that's why they threw Gruden under the bus.  They said to everyone, and most people listened to them... "look over there at that racist/homophobe, stop looking over here at the team".  We are about 9 months post-Gruden firing and we haven't heard ONE word about anything else.  The "investigation" was supposed to be about Snyder covering up and/or allowing sexual harassment within the organization... yet, Gruden's emails with a former GM that had absolutely nothing at all to due with any of that, got released.  Why is that?  It's probably because there's accusations like this league-wide and the woman probably sign NDA's.  No owner is going to throw another owner under the bus because it's going to create blowback.  They're all in "C.Y.A." mode right now and the league office is heading that up.

So, if you think Penn State should completely lose their football team because of 2 or 3 people, well, it goes higher up.  Members of the board knew too.  So, if not everyone in the football program covering up something results in the whole program being shut down... then, because a few members of the board covering it up should result in the same - the entire school being shut down.  With the NFL, one owner covered things, so his football team gets shut down.  Willing to bet that others in the league and league office knew too, so - same treatment, they get shutdown too.

A University with a football program and the business of the NFL are not very comparable.  The NFL does what it wants and colleges athletics abide by the NCAA.

I know that my stance is extreme but that's how much it's all pissed me off over the years.  I use to have respect for PSU.  I was a big fan of Paterno and was glad they were in the B1G.  I use to cheer for them when they were not playing Iowa.  All that respect is gone for them now and the majority of their fanbase.  They disgust me.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A University with a football program and the business of the NFL are not very comparable.  The NFL does what it wants and colleges athletics abide by the NCAA.

I know that my stance is extreme but that's how much it's all pissed me off over the years.  I use to have respect for PSU.  I was a big fan of Paterno and was glad they were in the B1G.  I use to cheer for them when they were not playing Iowa.  All that respect is gone for them now and the majority of their fanbase.  They disgust me.

See, this is you (you're definitely not on an island here), making one set rules for one sect one reason, but applying a different set of rules for someone else... to which, you're ok with.

My question to you is, how are they different?  Both Penn State and the NFL are business.  They're both in business, trying to make a profit, by selling their product.  The NFL's product is entertainment where as Penn State's product is education.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

7 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

See, this is you (you're definitely not on an island here), making one set rules for one sect one reason, but applying a different set of rules for someone else... to which, you're ok with.

My question to you is, how are they different?  Both Penn State and the NFL are business.  They're both in business, trying to make a profit, by selling their product.  The NFL's product is entertainment where as Penn State's product is education.

The NFL polices itself.  The NCAA polices the colleges that play under them.  That's the difference.  The NCAA gave SMU the death penalty years ago for paying athlete to come play for them.  What PSU did was much, much worse.  I'd be happy with harder punishment for MSU as well.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The NFL polices itself.  The NCAA polices the colleges that play under them.  That's the difference.  The NCAA gave SMU the death penalty years ago for paying athlete to come play for them.  What PSU did was much, much worse.  I'd be happy with harder punishment for MSU as well.

Ok, let's play you game.  What NCAA policy did Penn State break?

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Ok, let's play you game.  What NCAA policy did Penn State break?

I don't think there is a specific NCAA policy they violated.  It was a criminal matter.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think there is a specific NCAA policy they violated.  It was a criminal matter.

Exactly.  So, it doesn't fall under the NCAA's purview.  What Sandusky & Paterno did was criminal, it's the same the thing that Snyder potentially faces.  The NFL won't have any say in what happens with Snyder if he's found guilty of criminal chargers, it'll be for the courts to decide.  Now, you can say that the NFL can force him to sell the team if that's the case, to be honest, I don't think they legally can... but let's say they do.  Accepting that as the end, is most likely ignoring the probability that not only did other teams know what was going on and not say anything (see Jerry Jones and him firing the dude who took pictures of his daughter), but the NFL office is probably guilty of it too.

My whole point in this really is that you're allowing your emotions to control you in the Penn State issue, but letting logic dictate the NFL and Snyder.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Exactly.  So, it doesn't fall under the NCAA's purview.  What Sandusky & Paterno did was criminal, it's the same the thing that Snyder potentially faces.  The NFL won't have any say in what happens with Snyder if he's found guilty of criminal chargers, it'll be for the courts to decide.  Now, you can say that the NFL can force him to sell the team if that's the case, to be honest, I don't think they legally can... but let's say they do.  Accepting that as the end, is most likely ignoring the probability that not only did other teams know what was going on and not say anything (see Jerry Jones and him firing the dude who took pictures of his daughter), but the NFL office is probably guilty of it too.

My whole point in this really is that you're allowing your emotions to control you in the Penn State issue, but letting logic dictate the NFL and Snyder.

Ugh... You're right but it still pisses me off.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

23 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Ugh... You're right but it still pisses me off.

I don't let those things bother me.  They paid their price.  The kids didn't do anything wrong... why penalize them?

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I don't let those things bother me.  They paid their price.  The kids didn't do anything wrong... why penalize them?

I didn't think they paid the price but that's just my opinion.  I would've allowed the kids to go play anywhere else or tried to reimburse them somehow.  A big part of me doesn't think they deserved to have a football program after what it was used to do.  None of it matters any more now.  It's all been done and can't be changed.

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't think they paid the price but that's just my opinion.  I would've allowed the kids to go play anywhere else or tried to reimburse them somehow.  A big part of me doesn't think they deserved to have a football program after what it was used to do.  None of it matters any more now.  It's all been done and can't be changed.

Didn't Sandusky get like 30+ years?  Well, that's what I was talking about in terms of paying the price.  Also, it was just what, him, Paterno, and a couple board members who knew?  All of them got fired if I recall.  The program got their pee pee smacked, but I mean, we're also talking about something that happened like 10 years prior to it coming out, right?  It wasn't on going at the time, I don't think. 

I just think that to lose your entire program would have to be something where the school was implicit in cheating, not only the conference, but the entire NCAA.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Didn't Sandusky get like 30+ years?  Well, that's what I was talking about in terms of paying the price.  Also, it was just what, him, Paterno, and a couple board members who knew?  All of them got fired if I recall.  The program got their pee pee smacked, but I mean, we're also talking about something that happened like 10 years prior to it coming out, right?  It wasn't on going at the time, I don't think. 

I just think that to lose your entire program would have to be something where the school was implicit in cheating, not only the conference, but the entire NCAA.

I think a lot of my dislike comes from a certain fan base that continues to deny it happening. There are people who think Sandusky was framed. It’s sickening. I know it’s not the majority though. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,683]

12 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think a lot of my dislike comes from a certain fan base that continues to deny it happening. There are people who think Sandusky was framed. It’s sickening. I know it’s not the majority though. 

Wow, LOL, I didn't know that.  Unreal.

[TimHauck 3,458]

16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wow, LOL, I didn't know that.  Unreal.

check out this recent thread...

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/jerry-sandusky-files-a-pro-se-motion-for-a-new-trial-and-asks-for-evidentiary-hearings.320253/

[TimHauck 3,458]

And obviously nothing like Sandusky, but if we're talking about systemic issues in football programs...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29564189/external-review-finds-racial-bias-bullying-iowa-football-program

[edjr 7,050]

I didn't read any of this, but I am hoping it with Girls being molested this time. I can't stand having a hardon for 2 years again

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

And obviously nothing like Sandusky, but if we're talking about systemic issues in football programs...

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29564189/external-review-finds-racial-bias-bullying-iowa-football-program

A light stain on the program. There’s been far more support form players than complaints. Everything I’ve read about the situation just seemed like sour grapes for not being babied and not making it in the NFL. 

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

A light stain on the program. There’s been far more support form players than complaints. Everything I’ve read about the situation just seemed like sour grapes for not being babied and not making it in the NFL. 

You should write a report.

[Hawkeye21 2,458]

1 hour ago, craftsman said:

You should write a report.

Why?

[craftsman 1,045]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why?

I really don't know. You just seem emotionally involved.