Anyone willing to roll the dice on Lance as starting QB?

[AxeElf 787]

3 hours ago, jrokh said:

That has long been established. What hasn’t is other factors like roster sizes and bench spots.

Roster sizes and bench spots are irrelevant.

The relevant information is that it is a 12 team league starting 1 QB, and there are no 12 team leagues starting 1 QB in which rostering 2 QBs at the draft would be a sound strategy, regardless of roster or bench size.

[jrokh 615]

6 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Roster sizes and bench spots are irrelevant.

The relevant information is that it is a 12 team league starting 1 QB, and there are no 12 team leagues starting 1 QB in which rostering 2 QBs at the draft would be a sound strategy, regardless of roster or bench size.

Disagree. It might not always be a sound strategy, but in certain situations it can and has borne fruit  What isn’t a sound strategy is to have inflexible rules that don’t take different variables into consideration. Since that won’t convince you maybe this will: You know who the only one to really agree with you in this thread Is? Weepaws:

Mic Drop…

[AxeElf 787]

Just now, jrokh said:

What isn’t a sound strategy is to have inflexible rules that don’t take different variables into consideration.

Nobody is endorsing rules that don't take the relevant variables into consideration, such as (in this case) the fact that it is a 12 team league starting 1 QB.

If it were a Superflex league, the rule would not apply.

[jrokh 615]

7 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Nobody is endorsing rules that don't take the relevant variables into consideration, such as (in this case) the fact that it is a 12 team league starting 1 QB.

If it were a Superflex league, the rule would not apply.

Whatevs. You and Weepaws are entitled to your own opinions and strategies. I’ll stick with mine. 

[makindollaz 52]

It’s not superflex…1 QB starter.

Normally I don’t roster 2 QB’s but my thought is I might for a few weeks to see if Lance delivers.  When October rolls around, if he’s as good as I think he can be, I’d probably drop the insurance QB for another FLEX.

[jrokh 615]

17 minutes ago, makindollaz said:

It’s not superflex…1 QB starter.

Normally I don’t roster 2 QB’s but my thought is I might for a few weeks to see if Lance delivers.  When October rolls around, if he’s as good as I think he can be, I’d probably drop the insurance QB for another FLEX.

A sound and wise strategy.

[weepaws 3,336]

1 hour ago, makindollaz said:

It’s not superflex…1 QB starter.

Normally I don’t roster 2 QB’s but my thought is I might for a few weeks to see if Lance delivers.  When October rolls around, if he’s as good as I think he can be, I’d probably drop the insurance QB for another FLEX.

I Qb league, only need to draft one Qb.  The OP said normally rosters one Qb. Great job OP.  

After the OP trust Lance is any good the OP said thy will drop to one QB. 

One qb league never a need to draft two.   I say draft your Qb in the double digit rounds,  stream the field all is good=. Winner.  

[Gepetto 1,453]

I could win a fantasy football championship in a one QB league with Carson Wentz as my starter.

[jrokh 615]

58 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

I could win a fantasy football championship in a one QB league with Carson Wentz as my starter.

Prove it.

[Ray_T 785]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

I could win a fantasy football championship in a one QB league with Carson Wentz as my starter.

Thats a bold statement.

[weepaws 3,336]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I could win a fantasy football championship in a one QB league with Carson Wentz as my starter.

Amen. 

[AxeElf 787]

4 hours ago, Gepetto said:

I could win a fantasy football championship in a one QB league with Carson Wentz as my starter.

In tonight's draft, I bet that I can win a fantasy football championship with three $1 QBs in a Superflex League.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

13 hours ago, makindollaz said:

It’s not superflex…1 QB starter.

Normally I don’t roster 2 QB’s but my thought is I might for a few weeks to see if Lance delivers.  When October rolls around, if he’s as good as I think he can be, I’d probably drop the insurance QB for another FLEX.

Exactly this- besides, by October there will be a number of running back and wide receiver options that are showing out and available. 

[JagFan 193]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:42 PM, AxeElf said:

At least you admit he was a scrub corner.  That's kind of my point.  We have three 5 yard passes and 1 fluke long TD--all in the first game of preseason.

Perspective is called for.

The same thing consistently through the regular season.

No, your point was a busted coverage.  Quick education for you…busted coverage means the player didn’t get covered.  That’s different than a player trying to do his job getting beat badly by a much better player.  Make a note of that for future reference .  Also, in the future when you’re wrong…that won’t be very long for you…please don’t try to fix your mistake by acting like you meant what was correct.  Just own own it bro.

In case you missed it, and apparently you did, Lance has a great chance to be that double digit round QB that performs at a QB1 level.  You’re welcome for the education.

[Ray_T 785]

44 minutes ago, JagFan said:

Lance has a great chance to be that double digit round QB that performs at a QB1 level.

you are right.   he has a chance to be that.........but he also has a chance to be a big ol bust.

from what I've seen the odds are 50-50 right now.  (up from my last analysis based on a good week 1 exhibition game)

you need to remember, this is week 1 of exhibition.    what he faced this week wont be as good as what he faces week 1 regular season.  the defense is fairly Vanilla this time of year.   While its nice to get excited, he still didnt play exceptionally well last year when he was on the field during the regular season and I think that counts a bit more than week 1 exhibition in my weighting.

That said, he has looked better.  more decisive, better throwing motion.   more zip on the ball.   Accuracy and timing could have been better on a couple plays.

I still think hes a player who, if you pick based on his upside, you should have a second QB rostered.

Nothing wrong with a little insurance on a player who isnt a sure thing.

[weepaws 3,336]

9 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Exactly this- besides, by October there will be a number of running back and wide receiver options that are showing out and available. 

So it’s a good move to only roster one Qb? 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

51 minutes ago, weepaws said:

So it’s a good move to only roster one Qb? 

No. I said I would roster 2 QB's....

Some of it is contingent on your league settings and all that. 

[weepaws 3,336]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

No. I said I would roster 2 QB's....

Some of it is contingent on your league settings and all that. 

But that’s not a good move.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

But that’s not a good move.  

I say it is. So there.

[weepaws 3,336]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I say it is. So there.

That’s a mistake 

[Gepetto 1,453]

You have a better chance of hitting on a top tier QB if you take two in the top say 14, and you have a backup for when you're usual starter gets hurt.  I always take at least one backup QB.  It's the most beneficial thing to do for your team.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

That’s a mistake 

Say you have a 15 team roster. Going off of having like the last pick in the draft- your roster would be something like:

Jamarr Chase/Travis Kelce/Zeke Elliott/David Montgomery/Jaylen Waddle/Diontae Johnson/ Amon Ra St. Brown/Chase Edmonds/Brandon Aiyuk/Cordarrelle Patterson/Trey Lance

 

With QBs like Joe Burrow/Stafford/Cousins/Carr....maybe even Aaron Rodgers hanging there yet.

All of those have a better chance of being a contributing member of your team week to week than Rondale Moore, or MVS or anything like that- furthermore what scenario would you play MVS over the wide receivers ahead of him? You wouldn't.

[AxeElf 787]

I'd rather have someone like Romeo Doubs on my roster when he goes for 120/2 in Week 1 than some mid-tier QB the likes of which I can easily pick up off of waivers after Week 1.

Your number of Championship trophies may vary.

[weepaws 3,336]

43 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

You have a better chance of hitting on a top tier QB if you take two in the top say 14, and you have a backup for when you're usual starter gets hurt.  I always take at least one backup QB.  It's the most beneficial thing to do for your team.

Not if it’s a one Qb league. If you start two or play a super flex sure, but a one Qb league , to take two top 14 QBs you’re giving up depth at rb and Wr. Remember it’s a weekly game, one doesn’t even need to start a Qb that will finish in the top 14 to win  ff games, done it won it   

Thanks. 

[weepaws 3,336]

26 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Say you have a 15 team roster. Going off of having like the last pick in the draft- your roster would be something like:

Jamarr Chase/Travis Kelce/Zeke Elliott/David Montgomery/Jaylen Waddle/Diontae Johnson/ Amon Ra St. Brown/Chase Edmonds/Brandon Aiyuk/Cordarrelle Patterson/Trey Lance

 

With QBs like Joe Burrow/Stafford/Cousins/Carr....maybe even Aaron Rodgers hanging there yet.

All of those have a better chance of being a contributing member of your team week to week than Rondale Moore, or MVS or anything like that- furthermore what scenario would you play MVS over the wide receivers ahead of him? You wouldn't.

If I drafted team a I would lose.  I would never ever draft a te before double digit rounds, not interested in Waddle as a 5th round pick with Hill on the team, Montgomery isn’t going to be the Bears rb1, it’s going to be a RBBC, DJ I have very little interest in with the Steelers lack of Qb play, in which Tomlin will coach his first losing season.  I don’t see St Brown in my leagues still around in round 7th,. 

Thats not my team.  

[Gepetto 1,453]

6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Not if it’s a one Qb league. If you start two or play a super flex sure, but a one Qb league , to take two top 14 QBs you’re giving up depth at rb and Wr. Remember it’s a weekly game, one doesn’t even need to start a Qb that will finish in the top 14 some ff games, done it won it   

Thanks. 

You're wrong. It's important to draft two good QBs in a 1 QB league and 3 or 4 in a 2QB league.  I know what I'm doing.  

[weepaws 3,336]

Just now, Gepetto said:

You're wrong. It's important to draft two good QBs in a 1 QB league and 3 or 4 in a 2QB league.  I know what I'm doing.  

No your wrong.  It’s not, I can stream a winning Qb if need be with out losing depth at wr and rb.  It’s all about weekly marchups. 

I win.  

Thanks. 

[Gepetto 1,453]

31 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Say you have a 15 team roster. Going off of having like the last pick in the draft- your roster would be something like:

Jamarr Chase/Travis Kelce/Zeke Elliott/David Montgomery/Jaylen Waddle/Diontae Johnson/ Amon Ra St. Brown/Chase Edmonds/Brandon Aiyuk/Cordarrelle Patterson/Trey Lance

 

With QBs like Joe Burrow/Stafford/Cousins/Carr....maybe even Aaron Rodgers hanging there yet.

All of those have a better chance of being a contributing member of your team week to week than Rondale Moore, or MVS or anything like that- furthermore what scenario would you play MVS over the wide receivers ahead of him? You wouldn't.

Great post!  I completely agree.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

2 minutes ago, weepaws said:

If I drafted team a I would lose.  I would never ever draft a te before double digit rounds, not interested in Waddle as a 5th round pick with Hill on the team, Montgomery isn’t going to be the Bears rb1, it’s going to be a RBBC, DJ I have very little interest in with the Steelers lack of Qb play, in which Tomlin will coach his first losing season.  I don’t see St Brown in my leagues still around in round 7th,. 

Thats not my team.  

It's a hypothetical. Do you know what that word means?

And none of that answers the question- when would you start a receiver you drafted 5th or 6th over the other ones?

[Gepetto 1,453]

Just now, weepaws said:

No your wrong.  It’s not, I can stream a winning Qb if need be with out losing depth at wr and rb.  It’s all about weekly marchups. 

I win.  

Thanks. 

It's you're (not your) as in YOU are WRONG!

[weepaws 3,336]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

Great post!  I completely agree.

I’m sure that’s what your avg team looks like,, not mind.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

No your wrong.  It’s not, I can stream a winning Qb if need be with out losing depth at wr and rb.  It’s all about weekly marchups. 

I win.  

Thanks. 

What would you drop to grab a streaming QB? Are you dropping your main QB?

[weepaws 3,336]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

It's a hypothetical. Do you know what that word means?

And none of that answers the question- when would you start a receiver you drafted 5th or 6th over the other ones?

Might, haven’t gotten to the season yet , if the matchup is good as true, I might.  And I would have that available to me cause I didn’t roster two qbs.  

[weepaws 3,336]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

It's you're (not your) as in YOU are WRONG!

Okay we agree, you are wrong.  

Thanks. 

[weepaws 3,336]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What would you drop to grab a streaming QB? Are you dropping your main QB?

I would yes.  I’m not going to let you gobble up one of my wr or Rbs.   Main Qb, no I only have one. 

[Gepetto 1,453]

https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/adp/ppr

79	7.05	Aaron Rodgers	QB	GB	14	76.7	9.0	2.09	10.06	2300
80	7.06	Chase Edmonds	RB	MIA	11	77.9	6.8	1.08	9.01	3943
81	7.08	Matthew Stafford	QB	LAR	7	79.9	8.9	1.07	10.05	1856
82	7.08	Dallas Goedert	TE	PHI	7	80.2	8.8	4.05	11.07	2634
83	7.09	Russell Wilson	QB	DEN	9	80.7	8.7	3.10	10.03	4074
84	7.09	Amon-Ra St. Brown	WR	DET	6	81.2	7.7	4.01	10.11	4772
85	7.10	James Robinson	RB	JAX	11	82.2	6.7	4.10	9.10	1396
86	7.12	DeVonta Smith	WR	PHI	7	83.7	6.8	3.01	9.09	2375
87	8.01	Kenneth Walker III	RB	SEA	11	84.9	7.9	4.01	10.05	3139
88	8.03	Melvin Gordon	RB	DEN	9	86.5	6.9	4.10	9.12	2524
89	8.03	Dak Prescott	QB	DAL	9	86.8	9.1	2.08	10.11	2843
90	8.03	Dawson Knox	TE	BUF	7	86.9	10.6	3.07	13.03	1630
91	8.04	Rhamondre Stevenson	RB	NE	10	87.7	7.6	3.02	10.12	4312
92	8.04	Elijah Moore	WR	NYJ	10	87.9	7.4	4.07	10.06	3092
93	8.04	JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	KC	8	88.2	9.0	2.05	10.11	5450
94	8.05	Rashod Bateman	WR	BAL	10	89.4	7.9	4.07	10.07	4455
95	8.06	Tom Brady	QB	TB	11	90.5	10.6	1.01	11.02	4405
96	8.09	James Cook	RB	BUF	7	92.6	7.7	4.05	10.11	3172
97	8.09	Cordarrelle Patterson	WR	ATL	14	93.0	8.6	3.08	10.10	2734
98	8.10	Alexander Mattison	RB	MIN	7	94.0	7.1	4.04	10.06	1169
99	9.01	Brandon Aiyuk	WR	SF	9	96.7	7.8	4.09	10.11	2537
100	9.01	Zach Ertz	TE	ARI	13	96.9	10.6	4.12	12.08	3400
101	9.03	Robert Woods	WR	TEN	6	99.1	7.0	6.07	11.01	2101
102	9.04	Allen Lazard	WR	GB	14	100.5	8.4	5.06	11.06	5018
103	9.06	Michael Carter	RB	NYJ	10	102.0	7.3	2.05	10.12	1302
104	9.06	Derek Carr	QB	LV	6	102.1	8.9	5.12	14.11	3360
105	9.07	Nelson Agholor	WR	NE	10	103.0	40.7	3.01	14.04	8
106	9.07	Nyheim Hines	RB	IND	14	103.4	7.2	6.05	11.07	1884
107	9.08	Ronald Jones II	RB	KC	8	103.7	7.7	5.12	11.09	995
108	9.08	Trey Lance	QB	SF	9	104.3	9.8	1.02	13.06	4150
109	9.09	Darrell Henderson	RB	LAR	7	104.8	6.6	7.03	11.06	1317
110	9.11	Tyler Lockett	WR	SEA	11	106.6	7.4	4.07	11.10	1512
111	9.11	Dameon Pierce	RB	HOU	6	107.0	8.7	3.05	13.01	3358
112	10.01	Christian Kirk	WR	JAX	11	108.6	7.5	6.05	13.06	2529
113	10.02	Russell Gage	WR	TB	11	109.7	7.8	3.01	12.05	1027
114	10.03	Chase Claypool	WR	PIT	9	110.6	8.1	4.06	13.02	942
115	10.04	Buffalo Defense	DEF	BUF	7	111.8	12.0	1.05	13.03	3467
116	10.04	Kadarius Toney	WR	NYG	9	112.3	8.4	6.01	13.06	3262
117	10.04	Raheem Mostert	RB	MIA	11	112.3	8.8	6.04	13.06	1539
118	10.07	J.D. McKissic	RB	WAS	14	115.0	8.3	7.05	13.04	1219
119	10.07	Drake London	WR	ATL	14	115.5	9.8	5.08	13.07	2945
120	10.08	Pat Freiermuth	TE	PIT	9	116.2	14.3	3.01	14.08	2351
121	10.09	Isaiah Spiller	RB	LAC	8	117.1	8.9	5.01	13.06	2296
122	10.10	Kirk Cousins	QB	MIN	7	118.5	11.5	1.01	13.12	3082
123	10.11	Michael Gallup	WR	DAL	9	119.5	9.3	2.06	13.06	1330
124	10.12	Marlon Mack	RB	HOU	6	119.6	9.8	7.08	14.01	1214
125	10.12	Tyler Allgeier	RB	ATL	14	120.0	9.2	6.05	13.06	2186

I will take Tom Brady and Trey Lance as my QBs 2 and 3 over Rashod Bateman and Nelson Agholar every draft.  And Kirk Cousins over whatever other crappy WR or RB is shown above him on this ADP PPR list.  I drafted or took in free agency 5 QBs in a 1 QB league once.  It was the year Tom Brady tore his ACl at the start of the season.  I traded my 4th and 5th QBs David Garrard and Jake Delhomme to the Tom Brady owner for Ray Rice and Steve Slaton.  This was in a highly competitive 12 team ppr league (18 roster spots) here at fftoday with great FF players.

 

[weepaws 3,336]

6 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Great post!  I completely agree.

Thanks. 

[Gepetto 1,453]

Just now, weepaws said:

Thanks. 

You know I quoted Sean Mooney, not you.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

I would yes.  I’m not going to let you gobble up one of my wr or Rbs.  

Your strategy is idiotic. 

You didn't like the one hypothetical (I assume you don't know what hypothetical means) so here's another- I'll use a different ranking of players:

Davante Adams/Deebo Samuel/Nick Chubb/J.K. Dobbins/Travis Etienne/Chris Godwin/Tyler Lockett/CEH/Allen Lazard/Trey Lance/Michael Carter/Noah Fant

 

QB- Lance

RB- Chubb, Dobbins, Etienne, Carter

WR- Adams, Samuel, Godwin, Lockett, Lazard

TE- Fant

K- LAST PICK

DEF- 2ND LAST PICK

In this scenario- what receiver are you picking that would ever play over any of that 5? What RB is taking over them this late? On a 15 man roster where you might play 2 RB, 2WR, and a Flex every week I have 9 dudes for 5 spots which allows me to carry a back up QB and back up tight end if I want. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

14 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I would yes.  I’m not going to let you gobble up one of my wr or Rbs.  

Furthermore, take a look at what Geppetto posted above. Who is going to have more value to your team potentially over the course of the season:

Kirk Cousins or Tyler Allegier?