vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Wow, that's a lot of "down" for the Wokies. All these companies are woke? Is there anything that's not woke? Or do I just look at stocks that are up, and they are all anti-woke, and anything down is be default woke. Go woke go broke, am I doing this right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, vomit said: All these companies are woke? Is there anything that's not woke? Or do I just look at stocks that are up, and they are all anti-woke, and anything down is be default woke. Go woke go broke, am I doing this right? Well, their actions (except Paramount), told me they were woke. I mean, it's obvious that Disney, Netflix, NBC, and Warner Brothers are... isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Well, their actions (except Paramount), told me they were woke. I mean, it's obvious that Disney, Netflix, NBC, and Warner Brothers are... isn't it? I dont even know what woke means anymore. I guess anytime you have any content related to anything besides a white male, it's woke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, vomit said: I dont even know what woke means anymore. I guess anytime you have any content related to anything besides a white male, it's woke. Sure, you can pretend that's true. It makes you feel superior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, vomit said: This is simply not true. What peers? Disney down 19% YTD Paramount down 12% YTD Warner Bros Discovery down 43% Comcast NBC Universal down 19% YTD Netflix down 58% YTD 41 minutes ago, Horseman said: The other 29 companies that make up the DOW 30. 35 minutes ago, Horseman said: Look if you think DIS is going to overcome the problems they are having right now, go ahead and invest. There is no doubt the stock price is on sale right now. It's your chance top own a piece of a historically great DOW 30 company. If you don't think they are having problems and everything is awesome right now, my advise is to hire a financial advisor to invest your money for you because you have zero clue what you're are talking about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Sure, you can pretend that's true. It makes you feel superior. I don't need to feel superior. I'd rather not pretend, so you tell me what does woke mean. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, Horseman said: The other 29 companies that make up the DOW 30. You don't understand finance. It's best if you stay out these conversations. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, vomit said: I don't need to feel superior. I'd rather not pretend, so you tell me what does woke mean. That's weird, all this time, you seemed to know what woke means. How could you have been arguing about it all this time without knowing what it means? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: That's weird, all this time, you seemed to know what woke means. How could you have been arguing about it all this time without knowing what it means? I thought I knew what it meant but you told me I'm wrong, so please tell me, what does woke mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,696 Posted August 15, 2022 34 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: to play weird devils advocate.... one might be able to make the assumption that a toy would have been voiced by the "person" it was modeled after. I am making the assumption that Buzz Lightyear the movie is about the "real person", prior to having his own action figures in the Toy Story franchise? So it's not a bad gripe to wish they had Tim Allen voice Buzz. The movie is before the Toy Story franchise and over 70+ years (at least) before the toys were even made... They wanted to separate this from the toys as per listed in Wikipedia: Producer Galyn Susman said that the creative team did not discuss bringing back the original voice actor for Buzz Lightyear, Tim Allen, in any capacity for this film because they believed that his voice would have tied the film too closely to Toy Story when the film aims to be its own stand-alone story while also saying: Tim really is the embodiment of the toy Buzz, and this isn’t the toy world, so it really doesn’t make sense. There’s not really a role. It would just cause more confusion for audiences instead of helping them understand the movie we’re trying to tell. — Galyn Susman, in an interview to The Hollywood Reporter[19] Chris Evans was announced as the voice of the human Buzz Lightyear along with the project's announcement in December 2020.[5] Evans was the first and only choice MacLane had for Buzz;[20] MacLane defended the recasting as follows: Tim's version of Buzz [Lightyear] is a little goofier and is a little dumber, and so he is the comic relief. In this film, Buzz is the action hero. He’s serious and ambitious and funny, but not in a goofy way that would undercut the drama [...] Chris Evans has the gravitas and that movie-star quality that our character needed to separate him and the movie from Tim’s version of the toy in Toy Story. — Angus MacLane, in an interview to Vanity Fair[21] I honestly don't have an issue with this and it kind of makes sense especially since they want this to be a stand-alone movie... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, vomit said: You don't understand finance. It's best if you stay out these conversations. You don't know who Disney's peers are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, Horseman said: You don't know who Disney's peers are. You think Boeing is a peer of Disney Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, vomit said: I thought I knew what it meant but you told me I'm wrong, so please tell me, what does woke mean? Woke means you're pushing non-white/non-straight culture purely because it's not white or straight. Meaning, it's judging people based on race/sexuality, not merit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Woke means you're pushing non-white/non-straight culture purely because it's not white or straight. Meaning, it's judging people based on race/sexuality, not merit. So if Disney creates a new movie, Coco, which is based on Mexican culture. Are they doing this purely because it's non white, or could it also be that they wanted to be multicultural? How do you determine their intent? And by creating the movie Coco, how are they judging people based on race? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, vomit said: You think Boeing is a peer of Disney You're confusing peers with competitors or sectors. Easy mistake for someone who has zero investing knowledge. Keep posting, you're making yourself sound dumber and dumber. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Horseman said: You're confusing peers with competitors or sectors. Easy mistake for someone who has zero investing knowledge. Keep posting, you're making yourself sound dumber and dumber. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peer-group.asp#toc-example-of-a-peer-group Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, vomit said: So if Disney creates a new movie, Coco, which is based on Mexican culture. Are they doing this purely because it's non white, or could it also be that they wanted to be multicultural? How do you determine their intent? And by creating the movie Coco, how are they judging people based on race? I don't know anything about the movie, but there's nothing wrong with making a movie based on Mexican culture if the movie only has Mexican culture. If they include and trans people or black people where Mexican culture does not have, then that would be woke. The company itself is woke, but just because they make a movie that isn't, it doesn't change who they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, vomit said: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peer-group.asp#toc-example-of-a-peer-group Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: I don't know anything about the movie, but there's nothing wrong with making a movie based on Mexican culture if the movie only has Mexican culture. If they include and trans people or black people where Mexican culture does not have, then that would be woke. The company itself is woke, but just because they make a movie that isn't, it doesn't change who they are. There are no trans people in Mexico? I'm pretty sure there are, but whatever. So I guess it comes down to intent. If they have a Western movie set in the 1800s, and then some flaming trans person comes out and twerks in front of kids, then leaves, then sure I can see your point. I don't think that ever happened. Do you have any examples of Disney wokeness? I'm curious. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, vomit said: There are no trans people in Mexico? I'm pretty sure there are, but whatever. So I guess it comes down to intent. If they have a Western movie set in the 1800s, and then some flaming trans person comes out and twerks in front of kids, then leaves, then sure I can see your point. I don't think that ever happened. Do you have any examples of Disney wokeness? I'm curious. Thanks. I'm guessing statistically, there probably is, but it's not a part of their culture/heritage. It's always about intent. Oh, I doubt your "curious". Virtually every movie would be an example. I stopped watching Disney years ago, because I'm not 15. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: I'm guessing statistically, there probably is, but it's not a part of their culture/heritage. It's always about intent. Oh, I doubt your "curious". I just thought that since you call Disney woke then you would have an example of why. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, vomit said: I just thought that since you call Disney woke then you would have an example of why. Disney has made it known that they are woke. They've literally said it. Not sure why this is a issue/question. If you noticed, I haven't really ever commented on specifics about Disney, just the company itself. I mean, the new Star Wars trilogy would be an example I guess. Every notable hero was either a woman or minority... the bad guys were all white men. I mean, it's pretty obvious, no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, vomit said: Do you have any examples of Disney wokeness? I'm curious. Dipsh!t posts in a thread about Disney being woke in a certain movie, it's right there in the thread title, and proceeds to ask for an example. Figures. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Horseman said: Dipsh!t posts in a thread about Disney being woke in a certain movie, it's right there in the thread title, and proceeds to ask for an example. Figures. I'm guessing he doesn't think it is and wants others. I mean, the Star Wars movies are pretty obvious if you ask me, as examples. I haven't watched the animated ones, so I don't know about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted August 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Horseman said: Dipsh!t posts in a thread about Disney being woke in a certain movie, it's right there in the thread title, and proceeds to ask for an example. Figures. Let's basically redo the series and make Luke a Girl and Han a black dude. That's what they did with the later ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I'm guessing he doesn't think it is and wants others. I mean, the Star Wars movies are pretty obvious if you ask me, as examples. I haven't watched the animated ones, so I don't know about them. At least we're back on topic. Quote So, while Buzz is trying to find a way home, Alisha is building a life for herself, and winds up romantically entangled with a research scientist on the planet. The two share a kiss on their 40th anniversary, and Alisha even tells Buzz that she wouldn't have met her partner if the two of them hadn't been stranded. They eventually have kids together and build a whole life with one another. While the kiss was meant as a small sign of progress for Pixar, the reception to it has been mixed at best. Some countries like the UAE and Malaysia have refused to release the film in their countries because of the kiss, and it's even caused controversy in the US, where some have argued that it's an inappropriate thing to show the children who would come to see the movie. The kiss was initially removed from the film altogether, and then it was restored after a revolt from Disney employees who discovered that the company had also donated money to politicians who supported Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill. It was both woke and political. They admit it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Disney has made it known that they are woke. They've literally said it. Not sure why this is a issue/question. If you noticed, I haven't really ever commented on specifics about Disney, just the company itself. I mean, the new Star Wars trilogy would be an example I guess. Every notable hero was either a woman or minority... the bad guys were all white men. I mean, it's pretty obvious, no? I think it's only obvious if you want it to be. We have plenty of women and minority heroes in our culture, and plenty of bad guys that are white men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 basically woke is just white people crying about having to see other colors in their movies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,457 Posted August 15, 2022 Executives take the kiss out of the movie. After all it's a children's cartoon, base on a children's cartoon about a children's toy. It's completely unnecessary. LGBTQR+ Pixar employees send strongly worded letter CEO and cry about the Don't Say Gay bill. Executives decide to put kiss back into movie. Movie gets banned in 14 countries and flops at the box office in America. Go woke, go broke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted August 15, 2022 I don't get why woke people want black and gay people, who represent a small % of the population to be represented as 50% or more of main characters in tv and movies. Including commercials. It's unrealistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,696 Posted August 15, 2022 I think the movie is doing bad because it really wasn't that great of a movie... There were only two known characters from the Toy Story franchise, Buzz and Zurg and it didn't deal with toys... It was an interesting idea and some good things in it, but knowing that Woody, Mr. Potato Head, et al wasn't in it, could turn off a lot of families from it... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,292 Posted August 15, 2022 22 hours ago, edjr said: Movie starts with Buzz's partner, a black woman. Jump ahead 3 years in the movie, she is a Commander, who is a lesbian getting married to another dark woman. Jump ahead 3 more years, she is pregnant and ends up having a black girl, who ends up being Commander. They end up having a crew of 4 people, Buzz is the only white person. One of them looked like a male Britney Grinder (redundant), Pathetic. So basically in the future cis gendered straight white men are now the Affirmative Action hires? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,696 Posted August 15, 2022 23 hours ago, edjr said: Just got around to downloading and attempting to watch with my 8 year old son. 1st off, Disney too cheap to pay Tim Allen. Huge downer there. Movie starts with Buzz's partner, a black woman. Jump ahead 3 years in the movie, she is a Commander, who is a lesbian getting married to another dark woman. Jump ahead 3 more years, she is pregnant and ends up having a black girl, who ends up being Commander. They end up having a crew of 4 people, Buzz is the only white person. One of them looked like a male Britney Grinder (redundant), Pathetic. At least the cat was orange, props there. I stopped watching and came into the office to come here and complain about it.. The black girl, Izzy, was not the commander at the end... She was a member of the Space Ranger Corps, just like her grandmother... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,411 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, posty said: The black girl, Izzy, was not the commander at the end... She was a member of the Space Ranger Corps, just like her grandmother... Glass ceiling 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, vomit said: basically woke is just white people crying about having to see other colors in their movies Like I said, you can pretend that's what it is, it apparently makes you feel better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, vomit said: I think it's only obvious if you want it to be. We have plenty of women and minority heroes in our culture, and plenty of bad guys that are white men. Not really, it's obvious to everyone. You just have your agenda to protect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason Hollywood (and Disney), are taking the route that they're taking with this whole agenda (identity politics), is because historically, everything was white guy is good, black guy is bad, and women don't exist. They claim that because society sees this, then that's how society acts. Well, if that's the case, then they're clearly promoting that everything white or male is bad and everything not white or male is good. Which is it? Were they lying then or are they lying now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: Like I said, you can pretend that's what it is, it apparently makes you feel better. Why do I need to have my opinion to feel better? It's not like having black or gay characters hurts anyone, right? Who gives a fock? This is another example of people telling you that you should be angry at the other side. They want you to be angry and divided. Me? I don't give a fock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: Not really, it's obvious to everyone. You just have your agenda to protect. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason Hollywood (and Disney), are taking the route that they're taking with this whole agenda (identity politics), is because historically, everything was white guy is good, black guy is bad, and women don't exist. They claim that because society sees this, then that's how society acts. Well, if that's the case, then they're clearly promoting that everything white or male is bad and everything not white or male is good. Which is it? Were they lying then or are they lying now? I have no idea, but I can tell you that tv/movies today, not every white male is bad. I dont have an agenda, that's the difference between you and me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,545 Posted August 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, vomit said: I have no idea, but I can tell you that tv/movies today, not every white male is bad. I dont have an agenda, that's the difference between you and me. Right, only in the woke ones. Yeah, you don't. LOL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vomit 502 Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said: Right, only in the woke ones. Yeah, you don't. LOL. What's my agenda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites