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thoughts on Mahomes so far....

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so far I think hes about what I thought hed be.

still very good.   but now a notch below elite as a fantasy QB with the loss of Hill.

in real life hes still a stud QB but for fantasy purposes, a notch below.   

to be clear, he is still startable.  still very good.    Just not a top 3 QB for fantasy anymore.

that may change as Sky Moore develops as a player.   but with the talent on the team now, this is about where I expect him to be.   He will have some very good games, and a few meh type games.

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

so far I think hes about what I thought hed be.

still very good.   but now a notch below elite as a fantasy QB with the loss of Hill.

in real life hes still a stud QB but for fantasy purposes, a notch below.   

to be clear, he is still startable.  still very good.    Just not a top 3 QB for fantasy anymore.

Um, the season already started, and Mahomes IS the QB1 in fantasy (and he was even before he played a second game).  In case you weren't scoring at home, "the best" is a notch ABOVE elite.

595 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs through 2 games...  on pace for 5,000 and 60.

Yeah, he might be startable, if you need a bye week fill-in...  lol

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1 minute ago, AxeElf said:

Um, the season already started, and Mahomes IS the QB1 in fantasy (and he was even before he played a second game).  In case you weren't scoring at home, "the best" is a notch ABOVE elite.

595 yards, 7 TDs, 0 INTs through 2 games...  on pace for 5,000 and 60.

Yeah, he might be startable, if you need a bye week fill-in...  lol

there is no such thing as a notch above elite.

elite is the top level.   for me that means you are top 2 or (at worst)top 3 at your position

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2 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

there is no such thing as a notch above elite.

elite is the top level.   for me that means you are top 2 or (at worst)top 3 at your position

And "the best" is top 1 at his position, so a notch above elite.

There are a handful of elite QBs; the best QB would be a notch above the rest of them.

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I agree op, he won’t finish in the top three, the last time he did finish in the top three was 2018. 

He doesn’t have the talent around him to be in the top three.  

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1 minute ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

So now it’s “won’t finish top 3”, got it check.  
It was top 7-8 last time around….  

Hasn’t done so since 2018. Doesn’t have the talent to do so this season.  

Just going with the flow of what the OP posted.  

Thanks. 

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6 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Hasn’t done so since 2018. Doesn’t have the talent to do so this season.  

Just going with the flow of what the OP posted.  

Thanks. 

I was responding to the OP… if I was responding to you I’d have directed the comment to you… 

you said top 5-6 if my memory is correct…I didn’t argue with you, that’s very fair.  It’s the “he’s not an elite QB without Tyreek and will finish outside the top 8” crowd I’m talking about… 

if you have 3-5 QBs all within a point or 2 at the top then what is “elite”. Just Josh Allen last year elite?   
I wouldn’t have expected this thread to come up after 2 games into the season…still some time left.  
 

 

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38 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

So now it’s “won’t finish top 3”, got it check.  
It was top 7-8 last time around….  

I never at any point said he wont finish top 7 or 8.   I just said hes not elite anymore as a fantasy QB.  for me that means hes no longer a top 2-3 QB.

as an NFL QB hes still elite.  he just doesnt have as much talent to work with.

If I was in a draft and 6 QBs are off the board and Mahomes is sitting there I'd take him every time.

I'm just  not spending an early draft pick to get him top 3 because I dont think the value will be there.

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35 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I was responding to the OP… if I was responding to you I’d have directed the comment to you… 

you said top 5-6 if my memory is correct…I didn’t argue with you, that’s very fair.  It’s the “he’s not an elite QB without Tyreek and will finish outside the top 8” crowd I’m talking about… 

if you have 3-5 QBs all within a point or 2 at the top then what is “elite”. Just Josh Allen last year elite?   
I wouldn’t have expected this thread to come up after 2 games into the season…still some time left.  
 

 

I think it’s a great time for this tread, I agree with the OP, he won’t be a top three Qb, I say top 5-6.  

He’s had more talent on the pass, and yet hasn’t been top three since 2018, don’t see that happening this season. 

Thanks. 

Ps I was responding to you.  

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27 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Some fun reading material…

 

plenty of "outside the top 6" material in this one thread....  

again, it's week 2 everyone.... 

"elite top 3" scoring averages last year:

27.5
27.4
27.1

Then you have #4, 5, 6 

25.7 
25
24.7

#7, 8 
24.6
24.4

scoring system may vary slightly....

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10 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I never at any point said he wont finish top 7 or 8.   I just said hes not elite anymore as a fantasy QB.  for me that means hes no longer a top 2-3 QB.

as an NFL QB hes still elite.  he just doesnt have as much talent to work with.

If I was in a draft and 6 QBs are off the board and Mahomes is sitting there I'd take him every time.

I'm just  not spending an early draft pick to get him top 3 because I dont think the value will be there.

Agreed. 

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1 minute ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

plenty of "outside the top 6" material in this one thread....  

again, it's week 2 everyone.... 

"elite top 3" scoring averages last year:

27.5
27.4
27.1

Then you have #4, 5, 6 

25.7 
25
24.7

#7, 8 
24.6
24.4

scoring system may vary slightly....

Week 14 would be to late for someone to make a thought about how Mahomes will finish the ff season. 

Week two makes a statement , good for you OP.  

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Just now, weepaws said:

I think it’s a great time for this tread, I agree with the OP, he won’t be a top three Qb, I say top 5-6.  

He’s had more talent on the pass, and yet hasn’t been top three since 2018, don’t see that happening this season. 

Thanks. 

Ps I was responding to you.  

I said the same thing, top 5-6....we are all full of when you look at those splits above and think one of us is winning this "discussion"

The main takeaway from anyone in this discussion should be "don't draft a QB before round 3 unless you think he is going to have The Superman #1 overall season.....thanks weeman  

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2 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I said the same thing, top 5-6....we are all full of when you look at those splits above and think one of us is winning this "discussion"

The main takeaway from anyone in this discussion should be "don't draft a QB before round 3 unless you think he is going to have The Superman #1 overall season.....thanks weeman  

No don’t draft a Qb until the double digit rounds. 

And why does everyone go to this name calling stuff so elementary. 

Welcome. 

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Just now, weepaws said:

Week 14 would be to late for someone to make a thought about how Mahomes will finish the ff season. 

Week two makes a statement , good for you OP.  

there is a Wendy's dumpster around the corner for you two... 😉  

but seriously....I'm glad we are discussing it now after week 2, lots of fantasy drafts depending on this forums' breakdown of how Mahomes might finish .8 point per game out of the top six qBs. 

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Just now, kcBlitzkrieg said:

there is a Wendy's dumpster around the corner for you two... 😉  

but seriously....I'm glad we are discussing it now after week 2, lots of fantasy drafts depending on this forums' breakdown of how Mahomes might finish .8 point per game out of the top six qBs. 

Lol you don’t have to be here discussing the OP thoughts. 

Kc fans get very protective of Mahomes.  

Ps they won’t win another Super Bowl with him at Qb.  

Thanks. 

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Y'all are acting like it's still preseason.

There's no more speculation.

The drafts are done.

Mahomes has two games in the book.

Mahomes is currently the #1 QB in fantasy.

No amount of speculation will change that.

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sorry, thought we were all friendly around here....you know, nicknames and locker room banter....its a fantasy football forum, not talking politics here.  I wish everyone a wonderfully successful fantasy football season and best of luck.  

 

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I have Mahomes and the only QB I would accept in a 1 for 1 trade would be Josh Allen, period…

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12 minutes ago, AxeElf said:

Y'all are acting like it's still preseason.

There's no more speculation.

The drafts are done.

Mahomes has two games in the book.

Mahomes is currently the #1 QB in fantasy.

No amount of speculation will change that.

No no he’s not, based on avg he’s number four.  

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6 minutes ago, jrokh said:

I have Mahomes and the only QB I would accept in a 1 for 1 trade would be Josh Allen, period…

Since you drafted him in the top five, I would think that would be the case. 

Still doesn’t say anything about why he won’t be in the top three, but him not being in the top three a the end of the season, will once again show that he was over valued.  

 

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7 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Since you drafted him in the top five, I would think that would be the case. 

Still doesn’t say anything about why he won’t be in the top three, but him not being in the top three a the end of the season, will once again show that he was over valued.  

 

Unless he is, in which case this is example #100 proving your incompetence…

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35 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I said the same thing, top 5-6....we are all full of when you look at those splits above and think one of us is winning this "discussion"

The main takeaway from anyone in this discussion should be "don't draft a QB before round 3 unless you think he is going to have The Superman #1 overall season.....thanks weeman  

yeah, weepaws believes you dont draft a QB top 3 rounds at all.

I think there are a couple that are worth it.

Josh Allen, Herbert are two on my list.

Burrow is close but not quite there yet.  Likely will be there next year.

Mahomes I ranked in the next tier just after Burrow.

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31 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Ps they won’t win another Super Bowl with him at Qb.

they might if Sky Moore turns into the player hes supposed to be   or if they acquire another playmaker.

but with the current crop of WR I'd say no.  they wont.

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5 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Unless he is, in which case this is example #100 proving your incompetence…

Since he won’t be , that will prove my righteousness # 32351, and that you drafted wrong # 5436

Thanks. 

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5 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Since he won’t be , that will prove my righteousness # 32351, and that you drafted wrong # 5436

Thanks. 

come on guys, lets not get into this.   we all have our good and bad moments.   Lets keep to the topic if we can.

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8 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Since he won’t be , that will prove my righteousness # 32351, and that you drafted wrong # 5436

Thanks. 

When he is, will you leave this bored forever?

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15 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

yeah, weepaws believes you dont draft a QB top 3 rounds at all.

I think there are a couple that are worth it.

Josh Allen, Herbert are two on my list.

Burrow is close but not quite there yet.  Likely will be there next year.

Mahomes I ranked in the next tier just after Burrow.

I agree, I worded my previous sentence incorrectly....  every year is different, if there was a year to reach and take a QB who you believe will have that superman 30ppg+ year, then round 4 would be my earliest.  I generally will take my QB anywhere rounds 7-10, depending on my target that year.  One league this year it was round 12.  

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What a joke of a thread

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30 minutes ago, jrokh said:

When he is, will you leave this bored forever?

If one must leave because they had a prediction in ff wrong, you would have been gone in 2004.  

Heck I would bet you on it,  but we know you don’t pay up 😑😎

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5 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

What a joke of a thread

if you dont like it, you dont have to participate.   Thats the good thing about a board.   

participate in the conversations you like and care about.

the ones you could care less about just dont read em.

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1 minute ago, weepaws said:

If one must leave because they had a prediction in ff wrong, you would have been gone in 2004.  

Heck I would bet you on it,  but we know you don’t pay up 😑😎

That’s what I thought. Spew nonsense and run same as it ever was…

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9 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

What a joke of a thread

Then  you showed up.  

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2 minutes ago, jrokh said:

That’s what I thought. Spew nonsense and run same as it ever was…

Won’t be nonsense when at the end of the season it’s a fact , he hasn’t been a top three Qb since 2018, that won’t change with his current teammates. 

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5 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Won’t be nonsense when at the end of the season it’s a fact , he hasn’t been a top three Qb since 2018, that won’t change with his current teammates. 

Well since you are like George Constanza, in that since your initial instinct is always wrong, the opposite must be true. Mahomes in the top 3 is now a stone cold lock!

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I don't know, Mahomes looks like he's as good as he's ever been through two weeks.

How he finishes up, I don't know, but I think he's as likely as any QB to be #1

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10 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Well since you are like George Constanza, in that since your initial instinct is always wrong, the opposite must be true. Mahomes in the top 3 is now a stone cold lock!

When he’s not a top three Qb, will you leave this board for ever? 

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11 minutes ago, jrokh said:

Well since you are like George Constanza, in that since your initial instinct is always wrong, the opposite must be true. Mahomes in the top 3 is now a stone cold lock!

Don’t know a George Constanza, did he pay off his bets? 

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