Deion Sanders head coach at Colorado

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Yeah it isn't like Auburn came knocking.  Colorado is obviously a step up and if you can make them halfway decent then that is ammo to jump up again.  But it isn't like some offer he couldn't refuse came up.  Other than money.  

But like I said, good for him.  If hes real serious about coaching and rising up the ranks then this is a logical move.  

and that is why I buy Colorado being a stepping stone. If you're going to abandon the HBCU thing, then he probably has his sights set on a big time program. The big time program is going to want to see some success at the power 5 conference level. 

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Yeah it isn't like Auburn came knocking.  Colorado is obviously a step up and if you can make them halfway decent then that is ammo to jump up again.  But it isn't like some offer he couldn't refuse came up.  Other than money.  

But like I said, good for him.  If hes real serious about coaching and rising up the ranks then this is a logical move.  

Yeah, this is where I'm at.  Colorado was once a really good school and at some point, they fell by the wayside.  Colorado can still be a big time player in the college football landscape, so it's not like they're a mid-major or anything.

It certainly is a smart move... I'm just calling him on his b.s.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

and that is why I buy Colorado being a stepping stone. If you're going to abandon the HBCU thing, then he probably has his sights set on a big time program. The big time program is going to want to see some success at the power 5 conference level. 

Right.  But if his whole thing was HBU stuff then obviously his agenda changed.  Which is fine.  If his whole idea was to move up the ranks then this is it and its fine.  But JSU was a stepping stone.  Could rah rah around it. Turning an HBU into something and wowing thr country with bringing in a top recruit away from Fla St is something that wouldnt have got the attention at a Colorado St or Omaha U.  Going to JSU or Ohio University doesn't matter much.  Pimping the HBU angle was at least something.  Its easy to see why he entered there and gave good speeches and did the song and dance.  

Either his intentions changed or he was just using thr HBU angle.  I don't think there is another option.   Who knows.   I am fine with either.  Hope he does well. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

no way to ever really know. I don't honestly even remember when he took the JSU job if it was common knowledge that he was looking to get into coaching. He could have received offers to certain schools, while he was still an analyst, that he felt were too low..

the thing with the experience and JSU as a resume builder is it was just 2 full seasons and Jeff Saturday is coaching the Colts .  Deions recruiting ability alone could have been more valuable than any experience for certain college programs. 

Assuming @Hawkeye21 was right, that Sanders was only getting $300k at Jackson St and gave half of it back to improve the facilities, I'm guessing that offers from other schools (that were more prominent), weren't coming in if it only took $150k to get his first job.

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Assuming @Hawkeye21 was right, that Sanders was only getting $300k at Jackson St and gave half of it back to improve the facilities, I'm guessing that offers from other schools (that were more prominent), weren't coming in if it only took $150k to get his first job.

I could be wrong.  I read it from another poster online so it could be BS.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I could be wrong.  I read it from another poster online so it could be BS.

Looks like you were right.  Multiple outlets are reporting $300k (per year), for 4 years.  His contract was set to expire Dec 15, 2024

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

25 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Assuming @Hawkeye21 was right, that Sanders was only getting $300k at Jackson St and gave half of it back to improve the facilities, I'm guessing that offers from other schools (that were more prominent), weren't coming in if it only took $150k to get his first job.

well it certainly lends itself to this being a money move. 

I just find it hard to believe that if programs knew Deion was seriously interested in coaching, he wouldn't get some offers from Colorado level programs, knowing what he could bring to the table as far as recruiting, regardless of experience. So maybe his initial intent was actually changing HBU culture and he didn't look elsewhere and now some offers were coming in and cha-ching. Or maybe back in 2020, other schools were only willing to bring him on staff, DB coach, DC and he was hell bent on being a head coach. 

maybe it was a stepping stone all along but it's just hard for me to believe that a middling program in any of the power 5 conferences would have needed to see him coach at JSU first. 

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4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

well it certainly lends itself to this being a money move. 

I just find it hard to believe that if programs knew Deion was seriously interested in coaching, he wouldn't get some offers from Colorado level programs, knowing what he could bring to the table as far as recruiting, regardless of experience. So maybe his initial intent was actually changing HBU culture and he didn't look elsewhere and now some offers were coming in and cha-ching. Or maybe back in 2020, other schools were only willing to bring him on staff, DB coach, DC and he was hell bent on being a head coach. 

maybe it was a stepping stone all along but it's just hard for me to believe that a middling program in any of the power 5 conferences would have needed to see him coach at JSU first. 

I could certainly buy that argument.

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4 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What do you guys think about what he said the the Colorado team?

 

The team is like 1-11.  They brought him in to win.  He doesn't believe he can do it with most of the players currently on the team.  Should be lie to them?  But some of them will stay, those worthy of playing at a higher level.  On the radio I just heard that at least one player who had already entered the portal because he wanted to get out has now removed himself from the portal.  Apparently he wants a shot to play for Prime Time.

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

The team is like 1-11.  They brought him in to win.  He doesn't believe he can do it with most of the players currently on the team.  Should be lie to them?  But some of them will stay, those worthy of playing at a higher level.  On the radio I just heard that at least one player who had already entered the portal because he wanted to get out has now removed himself from the portal.  Apparently he wants a shot to play for Prime Time.

I like what he said and a team like that will probably improve greatly over the next couple years with him there.  If you read the comments you'll see plenty of pissing and moaning though.

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Holy chit there are a ton of racist on this board.

White guys hop from team to team all the time.  No comment.  A black superstar takes a job at a black college, talks about how black athletes should attend said black colleges, kind of like christian coaches do to christian players for christian colleges etc, makes the program a massive winner in 3 years, moves on, and now he's a POS.  And you morons think money has anything to do with it?  Dude is worth like $40M and on tons of commercials and NFL shows.  Coaching probably loses him money.  He's competitive.  

The truth is you racist scrubs think he's a POS no matter what.  He's not white.

Deplorables you are. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

6 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Holy chit there are a ton of racist on this board.

White guys hop from team to team all the time.  No comment.  A black superstar takes a job at a black college, talks about how black athletes should attend said black colleges, kind of like christian coaches do to christian players for christian colleges etc, makes the program a massive winner in 3 years, moves on, and now he's a POS.  And you morons think money has anything to do with it?  Dude is worth like $40M and on tons of commercials and NFL shows.  Coaching probably loses him money.  He's competitive.  

The truth is you racist scrubs think he's a POS no matter what.  He's not white.

Deplorables you are. 

gtfo

I love Deion. It's an interesting topic because of what he said and did at his HBU and how quickly he is leaving. 

[Raven Fan 362]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

gtfo

I love Deion. It's an interesting topic because of what he said and did at his HBU and how quickly he is leaving. 

Are you phuking kidding me?  How many white coaches have left after a year or less after promising all kinds of chit to the kids?

Deion stayed 3 years, used whatever he had to to recruit, was successful and moved on.

But the racist here hate on any black dude that successful cause he's black.  And Deion being at the school for 3 years did raise the profile of HBCUs.  Do you racist think he's not allowed to leave?

It's a sad sad world the racist live in. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

Just now, Raven Fan said:

Are you phuking kidding me?  How many white coaches have left after a year or less after promising all kinds of chit to the kids?

Deion stayed 3 years, used whatever he had to to recruit, was successful and moved on.

But the racist here hate on any black dude that successful cause he's black.  And Deion being at the school for 3 years did raise the profile of HBCUs.  Do you racist think he's not allowed to leave?

It's a sad sad world the racist live in. 

 Deion Sanders is wildly successful regardless of his coaching career. Plenty of white AND black coaches have left organizations very quickly. They all made promises to the kids. None of it would be comparable to the politicking Deion did while at JSU and the stark contrast between his words over his short tenure at JSU and the fact he is leaving for a terrible team at a school that is like 3% black

 

Just this past October.....

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Jackson State coach Deion Sanders says historically Black college football programs can be a path to the NFL for top recruits, but it is difficult to compete with the wealthier, traditional power schools.

Sanders, a Pro Football Hall of Famer who starred with the Falcons, 49ers and Cowboys, is in his third season with Jackson State. The Tigers are 6-0 this year after winning the Southwestern Athletic Conference last year.

 

“Now with our emergence, kids feel like you have an option. I can still make it through there (an HBCU) and they can navigate me to the NFL,” Sanders said Tuesday during an interview on the AP Top 25 College Football Podcast. “I don’t have to go to the one of the PWIs (predominantly white institutions) just to make it to the NFL.”

so it should be good enough for the kids but it's not good enough for you? 

I believe he always intended to leave. Maybe eyeing FSU... but to do so after basically 2 full seasons (3 if you count the covid year), and for Colorado? It warrants debate without being labeled racist 

[Raven Fan 362]

15 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 Deion Sanders is wildly successful regardless of his coaching career. Plenty of white AND black coaches have left organizations very quickly. They all made promises to the kids. None of it would be comparable to the politicking Deion did while at JSU and the stark contrast between his words over his short tenure at JSU and the fact he is leaving for a terrible team at a school that is like 3% black

 

Just this past October.....

so it should be good enough for the kids but it's not good enough for you? 

I believe he always intended to leave. Maybe eyeing FSU... but to do so after basically 2 full seasons (3 if you count the covid year), and for Colorado? It warrants debate without being labeled racist 

So what?  Like you noted, tons of white coaches have left far sooner.  And is he not supposed to sell his program to kids?

Where's your outrage when Liberty coaches sell the schools christianity to christian kids and then leaves for another non-christian school? 

Answer me this, is Jackson State in a better position now than they were before Deion became the coach?

Why is everything about race to you people?  Not a single word when all the lying white college coaches chase the almighty buck, that's perfectly fine with you people.  But dare a black guy leave a black school after 3 years and all of a sudden he's a POS.

Simply incredible. 

And btw, Colorado won the national championship in 1990 and were a powerhouse for a number of years.  They've fallen since but it's an excellent 2nd job for a still learning coach. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

10 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

So what?  Like you noted, tons of white coaches have left far sooner.  And is he not supposed to sell his program to kids?

Where's your outrage when Liberty coaches sell the schools christianity to christian kids and then leaves for another non-christian school? 

Answer me this, is Jackson State in a better position now than they were before Deion became the coach?

Why is everything about race to you people?  Not a single word when all the lying white college coaches chase the almighty buck, that's perfectly fine with you people.  But dare a black guy leave a black school after 3 years and all of a sudden he's a POS.

Simply incredible. 

And btw, Colorado won the national championship in 1990 and were a powerhouse for a number of years.  They've fallen since but it's an excellent 2nd job for a still learning coach. 

you're a moron . are you one of those snowflakes that came over from FBG?....  you come in here crying racism and then ask why everything is about race to us people. Deion used the politics around race and HBCUs not just to sell his program to kids but to get hired, supposedly. He wasn't even really selling the school as much as he was making proclamations that top recruits should play for these schools and not worry that it would hinder their NFL chances. 

you keep bringing up christian schools. why are we comparing racism to religion here? Also if you find the newsworthy story about a (im guessing you need them to be white) christian coach leaving his christian school, start the topic and you'll probably get debate on it. 

and I do not think anyone is outraged in this thread, other than you (hint: discussion =/= outrage)

 

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

you're a moron .  you come in here crying racism and then ask why everything is about race to us people. Deion used the politics around race and HBCUs not just to sell his program to kids but to get hired, supposedly. He wasn't even really selling the school as much as he was making proclamations that top recruits should play for these schools and not worry that it would hinder their NFL chances. 

you keep bringing up christian schools. why are we comparing racism to religion here? Also if you find the newsworthy story about a (im guessing you need them to be white) christian coach leaving his christian school, start the topic and you'll probably get debate on it. 

not only do I not think anyone is outraged in this thread, other than you (hint: discussion =/= outrage)

 

I'm the one crying racism?  It's you racist idiots that keep bringing up black this and black that.  Shall I find tons of examples of coaches that left earlier than 3 years and said things they didn't do and left?

Deion used being Deion to get hired.  The fact that he's black is irrelevant, he's Deion Sanders.  And you think the fact that he said black players should support HBCUs while being the coach of an HBCU somehow shows what?  He used what he could to sell his program.  Like christian coaches do.

Yet you people never say a peep UNLESS IT'S THE BLACK GUY.

Find me another post on a college coach leaving their college. And when you can't, tell me what's different about this one... I wonder...it's really hard to tell...

Racist one and all of you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,926]

Back in the day when McCarthy was coaching them, Colorado was a Crip school and Nebraska was a Bloods school. Bienemy was one of the thugs that went to Colorado. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

23 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

 The fact that he's black is irrelevant, he's Deion Sanders. 

How many people, during the discussion, have said his being black is the issue?

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

How many people, during the discussion, have said his being black is the issue?

His being black is what issue?

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

38 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

The fact that he's black is irrelevant, he's Deion Sanders.

I don’t think anyone said anything about him being black. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with him promoting black kids to go to HBCU’s and then leaving. 

[Raven Fan 362]

18 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t think anyone said anything about him being black. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with him promoting black kids to go to HBCU’s and then leaving. 

The dude you were going back and forth with on page 1 totally brought race into it.

And so what if he promoted the idea of black kids going to HBCUs?  Do coaches not use whatever they can to compete for kids.

Odd no one has complained about Nick Saban saying his program is a path to the NFL.  But I guess that's different?  Deion brought tons of publicity to the school and elevated their profile.  He did right by the school for sure. 

Many many coaches have jobed their schools and screwed their players but Deion leaves after 3 years where he promoted HBCUs and he's a bad buy and thread worthy?  And I DGAF about Deion but the fact that this thread exists and turned the way it did here is not surprising in the least. 

And why does @WhiteWonder keep saying 2 years when he coached 3 seasons?

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

8 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

The dude you were going back and forth with on page 1 totally brought race into it.

And so what if he promoted the idea of black kids going to HBCUs?  Do coaches not use whatever they can to compete for kids.

Odd no one has complained about Nick Saban saying his program is a path to the NFL.  But I guess that's different?  Deion brought tons of publicity to the school and elevated their profile.  He did right by the school for sure. 

Many many coaches have jobed their schools and screwed their players but Deion leaves after 3 years where he promoted HBCUs and he's a bad buy and thread worthy?  And I DGAF about Deion but the fact that this thread exists and turned the way it did here is not surprising in the least. 

And why does @WhiteWonder keep saying 2 years when he coached 3 seasons?

You are the one who made a comment about Deion being black when no one else did. Sounds like you’re throwing extra race talk into the conversation. 

[Raven Fan 362]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Where did I say I blame him?  I just think it's funny that people love to promote the black agenda and bail on it as soon as the white man comes along and pays you.  Like I said, he ranted and raved how star black athletes should go to HBCU's and he said, 'I'll lead the way' (again, paraphrasing).  Good for him.  I'm all for it.  BUT, he bailed on them as soon as the white man came along to pay him.  "Sorry, black folks, I'm out.  Whitey given me the duckets".

I'll never fault anyone for taking a better job, a better paying job, and something that'll improve themselves.  The thing is, he was as Jackson St for 3 years and accomplished NOTHING towards the goal he was trying to achieve, which was to bring notoriety and appeal to HBCU's to improve them.  Great!  Out in 3 years and back to oblivion for the HBCU's.  Congrats to him for using an agenda to get him on the coaching map.

@Hawkeye21 you directly replied to this post.  And from there on several people brought up race.

You ok?

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

31 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

His being black is what issue?

That’s what I’m asking you…. 
 

where in this thread did Deions skin color get mentioned as why his decisions was a good thing, bad thing, indifferent, etc? 
 

i literally see one post where TBay made a racial reference. The rest of this thread is legit discussion on the topic started by Peenie. 

[Raven Fan 362]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

That’s what I’m asking you…. 
 

where in this thread did Deions skin color get mentioned as why his decisions was a good thing, bad thing, indifferent, etc? 
 

i literally see one post where TBay made a racial reference. The rest of this thread is legit discussion on the topic started by Peenie. 

I posted the first post to bring race into it above.  And it's not mentioning him being black, it's him somehow using race to sell to kids and then moving on, like that was somehow a bad thing.  All coaches use whatever angle they need.

But re-reading through the thread I'll agree that other posts other than that one racist dude, the rest of posts are focused on him being disingenuous, which isn't racist.

I apologize for mischaracterizing the entire thread.  My bad. And it is an interesting story just because of who he is. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

13 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

And why does @WhiteWonder keep saying 2 years when he coached 3 seasons?

because he only coached 2 full seasons. I’m not counting the covid shortened 2020 where the team played 7 games but that’s just me. Plenty of people here say 3 seasons. I’m not debating that  

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

17 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

@Hawkeye21 you directly replied to this post.  And from there on several people brought up race.

You ok?

You seem to be confused. You are the only one that said anything about Sanders’ being black. That’s on you. 

[Raven Fan 362]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You seem to be confused. You are the only one that said anything about Sanders’ being black. That’s on you. 

Dude you called the guy out for his racist comments?  Why are you being such a nit?  I apologized for my characterization of the thread in general already. 

[Raven Fan 362]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

because he only coached 2 full seasons. I’m not counting the covid shortened 2020 where the team played 7 games but that’s just me. Plenty of people here say 3 seasons. I’m not debating that  

Was just curious but I get where you're coming from.  It's not like he took 2020 off or anything. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

14 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

I'm the one crying racism?

Neither is anyone else dude.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

13 hours ago, Raven Fan said:

Dude you called the guy out for his racist comments?  Why are you being such a nit?  I apologized for my characterization of the thread in general already. 

LOL  You're funny.

[nobody 2,561]

On 12/5/2022 at 9:20 AM, Hawkeye21 said:

What do you guys think about what he said the the Colorado team?

 

Pretty much every coach talks like this.  Just not on camera.

I still remember my basketball coach telling me something along the lines of, "Make the shot or I'll find someone who will make the shot."  Guess what I did on the next play?  I made the focking shot.

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

Pretty much every coach talks like this.  Just not on camera.

I still remember my basketball coach telling me something along the lines of, "Make the shot or I'll find someone who will make the shot."  Guess what I did on the next play?  I made the focking shot.

It's funny reading the comments from people who never played sports.  Lots of people were upset with what he said.

[Hawkeye21 2,381]

Not sure if this is accurate but it would shed a lot of light on why Deion left.

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

23 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's funny reading the comments from people who never played sports.  Lots of people were upset with what he said.

I don't think it is that.  It is the newly formed soft society we have.  A mother in lets say the 90s who never played sports, wouldn't care at all.  When we gave society an out with the PC feelings stuff, they took it and ran with it.  

It is sad really.

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Not sure if this is accurate but it would shed a lot of light on why Deion left.

 

If that's true, I'm fine with Sanders leaving.  Don't blame him one bit.  Looks really bad for Jackson St.  It also would be bad for black people.  You have the NAACP, Sanders, and people like Sharpton, and other prominent black figures promoting HBCU's and when they're given a goose that will lay golden eggs, they kill it.

[Fireballer 2,639]

Interesting comments by Prime on what kind of home life he looks for in his players.  Listen at 9:30.  

 

[nobody 2,561]

I doubt many coaches would get away with that.

[Fireballer 2,639]

Did the Sanders clan think NDSU was some no talent push over?