Another School Shooting

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

I'm pro gun.  It's just a little wild they can be so cheap.   If you're buying a ATV that's more expensive than a car you're doing life wrong. And if you're buying a car that's more than a house like E-40 said in 1996 "Players Ball" "But don't buy an eighty-five thousand dollar car
Before you buy a house"

Last time I looked a good side by side was $30,000.  Used ones were $15k-$20k.  I think they've come down more now.

There's really not a whole lot to a gun so there really isn't a reason for them to be more expensive, unless you think they should be taxed more.  I remember when I could buy a Marlin .22 at our local store for about $120.  Now I think they are like $180.  Still very affordable.  The cost of ammo can really add up for a gun enthusiast though.

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Kamala wants to end police in schools. 

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Last time I looked a good side by side was $30,000.  Used ones were $15k-$20k.  I think they've come down more now.

There's really not a whole lot to a gun so there really isn't a reason for them to be more expensive, unless you think they should be taxed more.  I remember when I could buy a Marlin .22 at our local store for about $120.  Now I think they are like $180.  Still very affordable.  The cost of ammo can really add up for a gun enthusiast though.

Fair enough

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This is apparently Colt Gray's mom.  She's actually pretty hot.

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4 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Fair enough

If I were to buy one it would be a model like this.  Needs to be 4 doors for the whole family and needs to be enclosed for heat in the winter.  $33k new, just crazy.  https://can-am.brp.com/off-road/us/en/models/side-by-side-vehicles/defender.html#defender_max-limited

Guys are pulling bass boats that cost more than their truck.  It's ridiculous. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If I were to buy one it would be a model like this.  Needs to be 4 doors for the whole family and needs to be enclosed for heat in the winter.  $33k new, just crazy.  https://can-am.brp.com/off-road/us/en/models/side-by-side-vehicles/defender.html#defender_max-limited

Guys are pulling bass boats that cost more than their truck.  It's ridiculous. 

Agreed.  My cousin is rolling around in one of these in his gated golf course house.  He is underwater on his mortgage and asks for his paychecks early every month because he is broke/living paycheck to paycheck. (Has 5 kids)   It's people like him that are bringing us all down and driving prices up for those of us who are responsible with our money.

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Agreed.  My cousin is rolling around in one of these in his gated golf course house.  He is underwater on his mortgage and asks for his paychecks early every month because he is broke/living paycheck to paycheck. (Has 5 kids)   It's people like him that are bringing us all down and driving prices up for those of us who are responsible with our money.

Living in rural Iowa surrounded by small towns, there are side by sides everywhere.  When covid happened sales went crazy.  People drop their kids off at school in them.  Unless you're a farmer, I don't get how people have the money for them on top of their house they built, SUV and big truck.  They have to have so much debt.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Living in rural Iowa surrounded by small towns, there are side by sides everywhere.  When covid happened sales went crazy.  People drop their kids off at school in them.  Unless you're a farmer, I don't get how people have the money for them on top of their house they built, SUV and big truck.  They have to have so much debt.

For sure.  I live in The Bay Area.  My cousin is in the rural Valley outside The Bay. He commutes 1 hour+ every day to his job, just to commute 1hour+ back home. Then complains non stop about the cost of living.  (after having 5 kids he has to feed)  He loves his guns (Fine, Back on topic) but then he collects guns, buys ATV's, drives a Audi, bought a house he can't afford. Maybe he should move to Iowa

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

For sure.  I live in The Bay Area.  My cousin is in the rural Valley outside The Bay. He commutes 1 hour+ every day to his job, just to commute 1hour+ back home. Then complains non stop about the cost of living.  (after having 5 kids he has to feed)  He loves his guns (Fine, Back on topic) but then he collects guns, buys ATV's, drives a Audi, bought a house he can't afford. Maybe he should move to Iowa

I'm not sure if he can find the same type of job and pay here but the cost of living would save him hundreds of thousands.

Gun collecting is not a cheap hobby.  I know a few that collect.  I would like to own more but it's just not feasible for me.  I have what I need right now.

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1 hour ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

If you genuinely cared about gun control, you should start locally and not bother us with your tired posts. If you cared, you would be in South Central LA, Compton, and Watts TODAY confiscating guns. Heck, take Squissy with you as backup.  Otherwise, your statements on gun violence ring hollow.  

The difference is that generally speaking, most of the guns used in crimes in the areas you mention are likely already illegally owned.  Many times the ones used in school shootings are obtained legally.   Not saying to ban all guns but there does seem to be something about AR-15’s and similar that make them popular for school shootings.  Getting rid of them wouldn’t stop school shootings but if they are more efficient at killing larger numbers (and I know there is debate on that) then it might not be a bad idea.   But better background checks or harsher penalties for parents whose kids take their unsecured guns would probably do more. 

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Elon:  lets Nazis on Twitter because free speech

Also Elon: censors searches for the Georgia shooter’s name

 

lol and people think this guy isn’t a hypocrite

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The difference is that generally speaking, most of the guns used in crimes in the areas you mention are likely already illegally owned.  Many times the ones used in school shootings are obtained legally.   Not saying to ban all guns but there does seem to be something about AR-15’s and similar that make them popular for school shootings.  Getting rid of them wouldn’t stop school shootings but if they are more efficient at killing larger numbers (and I know there is debate on that) then it might not be a bad idea.   But better background checks or harsher penalties for parents whose kids take their unsecured guns would probably do more. 

It's like a fad.  They think they are cool.  There are more efficient ways to accomplish what they want to do.  Remember, these people mentally unstable and THAT is the problem.

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28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Elon:  lets Nazis on Twitter because free speech

Also Elon: censors searches for the Georgia shooter’s name

 

lol and people think this guy isn’t a hypocrite

Fake news

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25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's like a fad.  They think they are cool.  There are more efficient ways to accomplish what they want to do.  Remember, these people mentally unstable and THAT is the problem.

People who are mentally unstable and also have ready access to guns is the problem.

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[Hawkeye21 2,392]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

People who are mentally unstable and also have ready access to guns is the problem.

That falls on the parents or guardians majority of the time.  Still not the gun's fault.

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Aspiring young fisherman

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That falls on the parents or guardians majority of the time.  Still not the gun's fault.

Obviously it’s not the gun’s fault. But the parent or guardian is almost never held liable for what their crazed kid does with their unsecured guns. 

Apparently GA has no age limit for owning a rifle or shotgun and no storage laws: 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-parent-liable-gun-laws/75083441007/

That’s focked up.

 

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Obviously it’s not the gun’s fault. But the parent or guardian is almost never held liable for what their crazed kid does with their unsecured guns. 

Apparently GA has no age limit for owning a rifle or shotgun and no storage laws: 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-parent-liable-gun-laws/75083441007/

That’s focked up.

 

Illegal for them to buy one still.  I'm not sure how it is in most states but it's pretty normal for a father to give their son a gun as a child if they hunt.  I've had my own shotgun since I was like 8.  I use to hunt in the back yard by myself after school with my 410 shotgun.  High school kids use to have their shotgun hanging in the back window of their truck.  That was a long time ago though.

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Obviously it’s not the gun’s fault. But the parent or guardian is almost never held liable for what their crazed kid does with their unsecured guns. 

Apparently GA has no age limit for owning a rifle or shotgun and no storage laws: 

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-parent-liable-gun-laws/75083441007/

That’s focked up.

 

Lol. I cant wait for holding parents accountable to become the norm.

After about six months when thousands of extra black people are in jail we will get to hear all about how the system is becoming more racist. 

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17 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Aspiring young fisherman

https://x.com/upuknews1/status/1831506254688124969

I thought Elon was censoring any searches of him? I guess that was fake news again 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

An AR-15 is regarded as a “hunting gun” by many people. Which seems crazy to me but it’s true. 

It's a great platform for hunting.....depending on what you are hunting. I wouldn't hunt deer with one, I prefer a larger caliber like a 30.06, 308 or 300 savage. It's great for hogs, coyotes & a lot of other game. They aren't fully automatic.....just semi-automatic like a BOATLOAD of other types of rifles. The biggest knock is they look SCARY to a lot of people. I could take a ruger 10-22...arguably the most popular. 22 ever produced & dress it up to look all military. Haters would pick it out of a lineup in seconds as an assault weapon. 

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2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

An AR-15 is regarded as a “hunting gun” by many people. Which seems crazy to me but it’s true. 

You’re big into hunting?

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14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Illegal for them to buy one still.  I'm not sure how it is in most states but it's pretty normal for a father to give their son a gun as a child if they hunt.  I've had my own shotgun since I was like 8.  I use to hunt in the back yard by myself after school with my 410 shotgun.  High school kids use to have their shotgun hanging in the back window of their truck.  That was a long time ago though.

I personally think the father who gives little Johnny a gun should be held criminally liable when/if Johnny shoots up his school. You make that decision you run the risk.

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Just now, MDC said:

I personally think the father who gives little Johnny a gun should be held criminally liable when/if Johnny shoots up his school. You make that decision you run the risk.

I think that's just common sense.  Of course the adult should be held responsible when they give a child a gun.

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14 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Lol. I cant wait for holding parents accountable to become the norm.

After about six months when thousands of extra black people are in jail we will get to hear all about how the system is becoming more racist. 

Do you think gang members in Chicago are using their parents’ legally purchased guns?

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that's just common sense.  Of course the adult should be held responsible when they give a child a gun.

In many states they’re not. They’re also not held responsible when their unsecured gun is used in a shooting. 

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

In many states they’re not. They’re also not held responsible when their unsecured gun is used in a shooting. 

I think that's one thing the majority of us agree on changing.  Those are the types of changes that need to be made, not banning anything.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that's one thing the majority of us agree on changing.  Those are the types of changes that need to be made, not banning anything.

Agreed. Universal background checks and firearm registration too.

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

Just now, MDC said:

Agreed. Universal background checks and firearm registration too.

The firearm registration worries me some.  There are already background checks.  I had to have one when I bought my rifle a few years ago.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that's one thing the majority of us agree on changing.  Those are the types of changes that need to be made, not banning anything.

I agree. But as I wrote I think AR-15s will be banned too. Part of the reason is because the extremists on the conservative side of this issue refuse to give an inch on anything. If they would simply concede universal background checks for example, that would be enough. But they won’t because they believe that if you allow any restrictions then eventually it will lead to confiscation. So because of their intransigence the extremists on the other side will win eventually. 

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I agree. But as I wrote I think AR-15s will be banned too. Part of the reason is because the extremists on the conservative side of this issue refuse to give an inch on anything. If they would simply concede universal background checks for example, that would be enough. But they won’t because they believe that if you allow any restrictions then eventually it will lead to confiscation. So because of their intransigence the extremists on the other side will win eventually. 

That is a legit fear though.  It is our right to own guns and it shouldn't be any of the government's business.  The whole purpose of the 2A is to protect us from the government.

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6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

that would be enough

Absolutely false. Then it would something else would be enough. Rinse and repeat 

[Hawkeye21 2,392]

I've been reading more about the kid's parents and it makes more and more sense.  It also describes WAY too many similar families.  There are handful of families that sound exactly like this at my wife and son's school.  Definitely some red flag kids.

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30 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The firearm registration worries me some.  There are already background checks. I had to have one when I bought my rifle a few years ago.

Not for private sales in every state.

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17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I've been reading more about the kid's parents and it makes more and more sense.  

I saw about the mom being arrested for drugs, what else is there?

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I saw about the mom being arrested for drugs, what else is there?

She also has multiple posts on Facebook about years of domestic abuse and how her husband was abused when he was younger.

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39 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That is a legit fear though.  It is our right to own guns and it shouldn't be any of the government's business.  The whole purpose of the 2A is to protect us from the government.

It’s not legit. and while the 2A protects your right to own a firearm it does not protect you from regulations. Otherwise why would the words “well-regulated” be included? 

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37 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Absolutely false. Then it would something else would be enough. Rinse and repeat 

It is this irrational fear that will cause you to lose on this issue.