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[jonmx 2,425]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It's bullsh!t right now.  But I do not allow that. I would not allow it if it were done to Biden either. I care little for WHO is was done to so much as the act itself.

Let;s not pretend that Trump was the first, or the only, politician to say some dicey stuff 

I am less inclined to the bias you demonstrate. I do not allow that "its ok because its Trump" or "its ok because it is Biden".

Power is power, and it needs to be checked. Right now I am getting that check......but only toward Trump. I expect more. 

Nobody is checking anything.  The real abuses within government which has completely undermined our elected government are the intelligence cartel which operates above the law and has been 'influencing' (assassinations, blackmailing, phoney scandals, framing) since their inception.  Whenever these lying corrupt bastards are pulled in front of Congress, they hide their lies under the guise of national security.   Until these agencies which have operated in rogue for more than 60 years get under control, our government will not represent the people's interest. 

[RLLD 4,192]

4 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You are arguing with someone so far gone that they think it’s perfectly acceptable to alter emails and lie on FISA applications to spy on a presidential candidate.

Perhaps.  But talking is how we get along. I do not accept the leftist design to silence, or impugn to silence, or cancel.

Those of us who remember the time before the rise of radicalized liberalism know that there was a time when people disagreed, and did so without physical or verbal violence, opposing iew points were permitted....we still argued, but we were not enemies.

I long for a return to that element of being a Republic. 

[jonmx 2,425]

7 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You are arguing with someone so far gone that they think it’s perfectly acceptable to alter emails and lie on FISA applications to spy on a presidential candidate.

And that behavior only scratches the surface with how corrupt these agencies have become. 

[RLLD 4,192]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Nobody is checking anything.  The real abuses within government which has completely undermined our elected government are the intelligence cartel which operates above the law and has been 'influencing' (assassinations, blackmailing, phoney scandals, framing).  Whenever these lying corrupt bastards are pulled in front of Congress, they hide their lies under the guise of national security.   Until these agencies which have operated in rogue for more than 60 years get under control, our government will not represent the people's interest. 

We have lost the media in the form of a check, sadly.

We have also lost the impartiality of government agencies, which now take action along political lines.

Now, I rather enjoy the attention applied to Trump.  GIVE ME THAT.   But give it to ALL of them, and not just Trump....not just Republicans.....ALL of them....that is all I ask.

[thegeneral 3,114]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It's bullsh!t right now.  But I do not allow that. I would not allow it if it were done to Biden either. I care little for WHO is was done to so much as the act itself.

Let;s not pretend that Trump was the first, or the only, politician to say some dicey stuff 

I am less inclined to the bias you demonstrate. I do not allow that "its ok because its Trump" or "its ok because it is Biden".

Power is power, and it needs to be checked. Right now I am getting that check......but only toward Trump. I expect more. 

Like we were talking about yesterday, the Republicans are now investigating Biden, the laptop, China, Hunter’s taxes, etc.

Trump was just an easy mark for investigators. 

[thegeneral 3,114]

14 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

You are arguing with someone so far gone that they think it’s perfectly acceptable to alter emails and lie on FISA applications to spy on a presidential candidate.

Who the hell are you

[jonmx 2,425]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We have lost the media in the form of a check, sadly.

We have also lost the impartiality of government agencies, which now take action along political lines.

Now, I rather enjoy the attention applied to Trump.  GIVE ME THAT.   But give it to ALL of them, and not just Trump....not just Republicans.....ALL of them....that is all I ask.

It is no coincidence that we 'lost' the media.  It was intentional effort by the CIA to take it over and control the narrative under the codename Operation Mockingbird.  The whole mainstream media today does  zero independant investigstion, they rely solely on information 'leaked' to them by government agencies.  

Trump is a buffoon, but he is fighting against the corrupt establishment that everyone should oppose.  

[RLLD 4,192]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Like we were talking about yesterday, the Republicans are now investigating Biden, the laptop, China, Hunter’s taxes, etc.

Trump was just an easy mark for investigators. 

If the Republicans had created a fake dossier to foment a fake investigation I would object to that vociferously. 

If the Republicans fabricated a disinformation campaign to hide Trump's illicit activities as discovered on his sons laptop, I would object to that vociferously. 

Every attempt you make to pretend that I hold a bias will fail. Every time it has arisen that either side of the aisle acted improperly, I have assailed them equally....every time.

So you can continune to try to play some gotcha game with me, but it will fail....every time.

Your mistake is assuming I think and behave as you do.  I do not share your bias. My only bias is that I disdain government, its misuse of power, and its venal activities. 

[RLLD 4,192]

7 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is no coincidence that we 'lost' the media.  It was intentional effort by the CIA to take it over and control the narrative under the codename Operation Mockingbird.  The whole mainstream media today does  zero independant investigstion, they rely solely on information 'leaked' to them by government agencies.  

Trump is a buffoon, but he is fighting against the corrupt establishment that everyone should oppose.  

I think media has always had some bias.  We can go back pretty far and find it.

What I noticed was that during the Obama administration it soared, and I attribute that to the way that admin began to treat media differently. In something of a Pavlovian action they fomented liberal media by limiting access to any but liberal media. The natural reaction was for media to trend more and more liberal.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,249]

Trump is a terrible cult leader. He called for violence when he was arrested. There was none.  He told his flock they should get the vaccine. Again they didn’t listen. No one took bleach for Covid either. 

[thegeneral 3,114]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If the Republicans had created a fake dossier to foment a fake investigation I would object to that vociferously. 

If the Republicans fabricated a disinformation campaign to hide Trump's illicit activities as discovered on his sons laptop, I would object to that vociferously. 

Every attempt you make to pretend that I hold a bias will fail. Every time it has arisen that either side of the aisle acted improperly, I have assailed them equally....every time.

So you can continune to try to play some gotcha game with me, but it will fail....every time.

Your mistake is assuming I think and behave as you do.  I do not share your bias. My only bias is that I disdain government, its misuse of power, and its venal activities. 

I am not sure if you have bias’ (although I think it was you who posted something from Daily Caller, I’d suggest only reading that for entertainment) I am simply pointing out that “the system” does go after these people equally, people in power specifically - and typically it is the other side that does it. To me this isn’t that unusual.

I would like to think everyone would hope that everyone in politics, at their jobs, etc went about their lives judging everyone only by their merits. I’ll join you there. 

Trump created this idea that he is always part of a witchhunt, ranted about the fake news,That’s because he is a witch and spits fake news in every speech

[thegeneral 3,114]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump is a terrible cult leader. He called for violence when he was arrested. There was none.  He told his flock they should get the vaccine. Again they didn’t listen. No one took bleach for Covid either. 

Ahh the bleach injections. Like many I was sitting at home in my new office during those days. As someone who enjoys politics I was watching or listening to those Trump pressers almost everyday. They were like VEEP live and fascinating to watch for many reasons. 

Sadly the bleach comment (made “sarcastically” of course) pretty much ended those. 

[RLLD 4,192]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I am not sure if you have bias’ (although I think it was you who posted something from Daily Caller, I’d suggest only reading that for entertainment) I am simply pointing out that “the system” does go after these people equally, people in power specifically - and typically it is the other side that does it. To me this isn’t that unusual.

I would like to think everyone would hope that everyone in politics, at their jobs, etc went about their lives judging everyone only by their merits. I’ll join you there. 

Trump created this idea that he is always part of a witchhunt, ranted about the fake news,That’s because he is a witch and spits fake news in every speech

There was a time when the system went after political players equally, that is not longer true and THAT is my problem.  I do not object to holding Trump accountable, do it....

I object to the free ride Biden and others are getting, and the protections afforded to them.  

[jonmx 2,425]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think media has always had some bias.  We can go back pretty far and find it.

What I noticed was that during the Obama administration it soared, and I attribute that to the way that admin began to treat media differently. In something of a Pavlovian action they fomented liberal media by limiting access to any but liberal media. The natural reaction was for media to trend more and more liberal.

Lol...it is not 'some bias'.  The mainstream media from the New York Times to CNN is pure government propaganda.   Now they taken over big tech and have access to all your personal information as well as controls what information you can access.  We are well beyond 1984.  

[thegeneral 3,114]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

There was a time when the system went after political players equally, that is not longer true and THAT is my problem.  I do not object to holding Trump accountable, do it....

I object to the free ride Biden and others are getting, and the protections afforded to them.  

Here’s where we disagree. Biden is now under all these investigations, we know why. Who knows what they’ll end up settling on - when they do land on something the sides in these threads will just flip for the most part. 

For every “main stream leftist media outlet” there is a right counterpart. For the most part it’s all to sell ads and people end up consuming what they want. 

[RLLD 4,192]

2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Lol...it is not 'some bias'.  The mainstream media from the New York Times to CNN is pure government propaganda.   Now they taken over big tech and have access to all your personal information as well as controls what information you can access.  We are well beyond 1984.  

I wll concede that traditionally media has been slightly more liberal.

I would note that it was not until Trump that they really forsook any assemblance of journalistic integrity.  Which does make me wonder how long they have been hiding this sinister bias.

Regardless, here we are. Almost no actual journalism left. Media is aligned to one side of the aisle or the other. Omitting what does not help its preferred party, amplifying what does.

The "check" against power from the media is currently lost.  The internal "checks" of government against its own impropriety seems broken. 

[jonmx 2,425]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

There was a time when the system went after political players equally, that is not longer true and THAT is my problem.  I do not object to holding Trump accountable, do it....

I object to the free ride Biden and others are getting, and the protections afforded to them.  

If there was a real crime here I would agree.  But this is total BS, much like the Russian collusion stuff.  Paying hush money is legal and even labeling it legal fees does not elevate it to a crime.   That said, Biden, through his family, taking money from the Chinese is legitimate criminal activity which should be prosecuted.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,025]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Here’s where we disagree. Biden is now under all these investigations, we know why. Who knows what they’ll end up settling on - when they do land on something the sides in these threads will just flip for the most part. 

For every “main stream leftist media outlet” there is a right counterpart. For the most part it’s all to sell ads and people end up consuming what they want. 

That is 100% factually incorrect.  I mean, it's not even close.  The left controls 95% of the media in this country.  You know it, so stop pretending it's on equal footing.  It's not.  The propaganda is overwhelmingly from liberal outlets in this country.

Your statement is absurd.

[jonmx 2,425]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Here’s where we disagree. Biden is now under all these investigations, we know why. Who knows what they’ll end up settling on - when they do land on something the sides in these threads will just flip for the most part. 

For every “main stream leftist media outlet” there is a right counterpart. For the most part it’s all to sell ads and people end up consuming what they want. 

Until you realize the left vs. right stuff is mostly a canard, and the real battle should be the people against the corporate-government establishment, you are missing out on what is really going on in this country.  

[RLLD 4,192]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Here’s where we disagree. Biden is now under all these investigations, we know why. Who knows what they’ll end up settling on - when they do land on something the sides in these threads will just flip for the most part. 

For every “main stream leftist media outlet” there is a right counterpart. For the most part it’s all to sell ads and people end up consuming what they want. 

Biden is NOW under investigation......right....

Had the Republicans not garnered the House, we would not have this.  THAT is wrong....wrong is wrong regardless of poltiical affiliation.   Given the spirited moves on the part of the media and government entities to protect Biden initially, we can reasonably conclude they knew all along, yet still protected him.  That is a problem.

I have conceded, over and over, that media is bias, along both sides of the aisle. Again, you are just reitarating everything I have already posted over and over.

Your misperceptions are arising from some desire to protect.  Right now there is more corruption arising on the left, but the right is not immune and I assail them just as much.

Instead of protecting the powerful, defending them, join the rest of us in going after them....regardless of party.....they deserve it. 

[RLLD 4,192]

4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Of there was a real crime here I would agree.  But this is total BS, much like the Russian collusion stuff.  Paying hush money is legal and even labeling it legal fees does not elevate it to a crime.   That said, Biden, through his family, taking money from the Chinese is legitimate criminal activity which should be prosecuted.

If it can be proven that Trump violated a law, go get him.   But do not pervert our system of laws to do it. I would not want that done to me, so don't do it to others. 

I do not care if Trump goes to jail, we still have Desantis, and frankly I prefer him.

I care about outcomes, I do not care who delivers them

[jonmx 2,425]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I wll concede that traditionally media has been slightly more liberal.

I would note that it was not until Trump that they really forsook any assemblance of journalistic integrity.  Which does make me wonder how long they have been hiding this sinister bias.

Regardless, here we are. Almost no actual journalism left. Media is aligned to one side of the aisle or the other. Omitting what does not help its preferred party, amplifying what does.

The "check" against power from the media is currently lost.  The internal "checks" of government against its own impropriety seems broken. 

The root of our problems rest in government agencies which have grown too large, too powerful, and are even beyond the reach of our elected officials, including Presidents.  People do not realize how powerful our intelligence agencies and other bureaucracies have become and how they are in bed with the mega corporations.  Our government has the appearance of a Democratic Republic, but it operates closer to a fascist state.  

[thegeneral 3,114]

11 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That is 100% factually incorrect.  I mean, it's not even close.  The left controls 95% of the media in this country.  You know it, so stop pretending it's on equal footing.  It's not.  The propaganda is overwhelmingly from liberal outlets in this country.

Your statement is absurd.

Fox News has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC combined.

People for the most part just read the stuff they want. Hell most don’t read or watch any of this stuff. 

[jonmx 2,425]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If it can be proven that Trump violated a law, go get him.   But do not pervert our system of laws to do it. I would not want that done to me, so don't do it to others. 

I do not care if Trump goes to jail, we still have Desantis, and frankly I prefer him.

I care about outcomes, I do not care who delivers them

They have not even identified the law he has broken.  The whole case relies on these supposedly false business records being used in connection with a crime, but until the actual crime is identified the whole indictment is meaningless.  They need to identify the crime first.   

[thegeneral 3,114]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Biden is NOW under investigation......right....

Had the Republicans not garnered the House, we would not have this.  THAT is wrong....wrong is wrong regardless of poltiical affiliation.   Given the spirited moves on the part of the media and government entities to protect Biden initially, we can reasonably conclude they knew all along, yet still protected him.  That is a problem.

I have conceded, over and over, that media is bias, along both sides of the aisle. Again, you are just reitarating everything I have already posted over and over.

Your misperceptions are arising from some desire to protect.  Right now there is more corruption arising on the left, but the right is not immune and I assail them just as much.

Instead of protecting the powerful, defending them, join the rest of us in going after them....regardless of party.....they deserve it. 

Of course there wouldn’t be investigations of Biden like this if they kept the House that’s what I have been saying over and over again.

Have I said Biden shouldn’t be investigated?

I def don’t buy more corruption on the left line.

[jonmx 2,425]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Fox News has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC combined.

People for the most part just read the stuff they want. Hell most don’t read or watch any of this stuff. 

And even Fox is part of the establishment, with the exception of Tucker whom they had to reign in after his initial January 6th tape release.  

[RLLD 4,192]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

They have not even identified the law he has broken.  The whole case relies on these supposedly false business records being used in connection with a crime, but until the actual crime is identified the whole indictment is meaningless.  They need to identify the crime first.   

Agree. This is almost satirical in its misuse of the law and overreach, and even the normal liberal cheerleaders in the media are tepid on it now.   But this is our system, so we let it play out.

 

[RLLD 4,192]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Of course there wouldn’t be investigations of Biden like this if they kept the House that’s what I have been saying over and over again.

Have I said Biden shouldn’t be investigated?

I def don’t buy more corruption on the left line.

We would likely have to agree to disagree as to who is more corrupt. It will take me some time to get past the fake Russian Collusion hoax and fraudulent impeachments.

All I ask is that Republicans and Democrats go after the wrong and stop protecting based on who is in power.  I doubt we ever get that. 

So you will need to understand the consquences of allowing it. And that will be people getting p!ssed and acting out.   There is a negative to allowing this game.  We have already seen it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,249]

The Kennedys should have been the first ones screaming from the top of their lungs that the JFK assassination was a political hit. They didn’t. Their position was more important. 

[thegeneral 3,114]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We would likely have to agree to disagree as to who is more corrupt. It will take me some time to get past the fake Russian Collusion hoax and fraudulent impeachments.

All I ask is that Republicans and Democrats go after the wrong and stop protecting based on who is in power.  I doubt we ever get that. 

So you will need to understand the consquences of allowing it. And that will be people getting p!ssed and acting out.   There is a negative to allowing this game.  We have already seen it. 

Yep agree to disagree (although Senate should have finished him off in the second impeachement if you are concerned about protecting their own - they had him dead to rights).

Again I am not allowing anything just pointing out that this isn’t a Dem or Republican thing. In my view it is just what they do as allowed by the rules of the system we have. 

[RLLD 4,192]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Yep agree to disagree (although Senate should have finished him off in the second impeachement if you are concerned about protecting their own - they had him dead to rights).

Again I am not allowing anything just pointing out that this isn’t a Dem or Republican thing. In my view it is just what they do as allowed by the rules of the system we have. 

And to clarify, as this is an important point.

I submit that holding Trump accountable is needed and acceptable.  But I submit that the way Bragg is doing it is not, he is perverting the system to achieve a political outcome. If you do support the rules of the system, I hope you would object to Bragg misusing it.  Whether that be against Trump or the guy down the street.

[thegeneral 3,114]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

And to clarify, as this is an important point.

I submit that holding Trump accountable is needed and acceptable.  But I submit that the way Bragg is doing it is not, he is perverting the system to achieve a political outcome. If you do support the rules of the system, I hope you would object to Bragg misusing it.  Whether that be against Trump or the guy down the street.

I’m not a lawyer or law historian all I see is both sides doing what they normally do with Bragg and this case. 

Trump will lie that he didn’t pay off the skank. He will lie about how he wrote the money off etc. Should it have be an indictment we’ll see. Is this the right way to do it. Don’t really care TBH. You want to drag every old man up there who does dirty stuff. By all means have at it.

 

[RLLD 4,192]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’m not a lawyer or law historian all I see is both sides doing what they normally do with Bragg and this case. 

Trump will lie that he didn’t pay off the skank. He will lie about how he wrote the money off etc. Should it have be an indictment we’ll see. Is this the right way to do it. Don’t really care TBH. You want to drag every old man up there who does dirty stuff. By all means have at it.

 

Of course Trump will lie.  They all do. This isn't Perry Mason. The gulty never step up and say they are.....or rarely do.

Look at Biden lying his arse off at every turn.  I know this is going to seem crazy but....politicians lie..... all the time....

So yeah, we need media and government agencies to constantly watch them, catch them, hold them accountable.  Right now we are getting that!  This is good news. Trump is being held to account and finally Biden can no longer hide..... we should all welcome this.

BUT....if the Republicans do ANY.... ANY of those corrupt actions that Democrats did to Trump, then fock them... no way.....

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,025]

52 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Fox News has more viewers than CNN, MSNBC combined.

People for the most part just read the stuff they want. Hell most don’t read or watch any of this stuff. 

Stop moving the goal posts.  It doesn't f'n matter how many viewers there are.  The # of liberal outlets outnumber conservative outlets 20 to 1 AND they control almost all of the most visible outlets with the most reach.

GTFO with moving the goalposts to fudge your numbers.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,314]

57 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Stop moving the goal posts.  It doesn't f'n matter how many viewers there are.  The # of liberal outlets outnumber conservative outlets 20 to 1 AND they control almost all of the most visible outlets with the most reach.

GTFO with moving the goalposts to fudge your numbers.

not to mention every "fact check" and social media is liberal controlled as well

[thegeneral 3,114]

59 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Stop moving the goal posts.  It doesn't f'n matter how many viewers there are.  The # of liberal outlets outnumber conservative outlets 20 to 1 AND they control almost all of the most visible outlets with the most reach.

GTFO with moving the goalposts to fudge your numbers.

It doesn’t matter how many viewers there are?

[jonmx 2,425]

Polling at 14 percent.  

[thegeneral 3,114]

What is wrong with this dude’s voice?

[jonmx 2,425]

On 4/7/2023 at 10:55 AM, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Kennedys should have been the first ones screaming from the top of their lungs that the JFK assassination was a political hit. They didn’t. Their position was more important. 

Their lives were more important.  Bobby knew LBJ was involved as well as the CIA and FBI, but how do you fight that?  His only chance was to become President.  Which of course they killed him too right when it looked like that might happen. 

[Dizkneelande 1,094]

The party that claims to be saving democracy is going to lock this guy out of debating President chocolate pudding.