Biden vs Trump…again.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

It will be good to get a functioning adult back in charge. I only hope this time Trump picks better people around him.  If he beats Desantis. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

 

Where did I say that?

And what exactly did Trump do to disqualify him in your opinion? 

And before you ask, yes, I'm serious. 

What did HE do? If proclaiming the election was stolen is worthy of a DQ then there are quite a few dems who should be thrown out of office. 

I am asking why would Obama suddenly fix racial tensions and what policies he did to mess them up. This is an us problem rather than a him problem in my view.

How are we still talking about this focking shet? Trump instigated a riot at the Capitol on the day we transfer power. This happened because of him and his inability to take an L. 

He asked his VP to stop it, he asked AG’s in states to fix it for him. His lawyers were working on fake electors to stop it.

The Senate would have voted to convict outside of this idea that he was no longer Prez…which makes no sense. They needed an handful more of them to actually do their jobs and we could have moved on.

Even after all this he still goes on with his lies. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

Obama is the divisive one…not Trump.

Good grief people. 

[5-Points 3,530]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I am asking why would Obama suddenly fix racial tensions and what policies he did to mess them up. This is an us problem rather than a him problem in my view.

How are we still talking about this focking shet? Trump instigated a riot at the Capitol on the day we transfer power. This happened because of him and his inability to take an L. 

He asked his VP to stop it, he asked AG’s in states to fix it for him. His lawyers were working on fake electors to stop it.

The Senate would have voted to convict outside of this idea that he was no longer Prez…which makes no sense. They needed an handful more of them to actually do their jobs and we could have moved on.

Even after all this he still goes on with his lies. 

That's all been debunked. 

Seriously, this guy has been under the microscope for years and they've found absolutely nothing to convict him on. It's time to let it go. 

 

[thegeneral 3,214]

2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's all been debunked. 

Seriously, this guy has been under the microscope for years and they've found absolutely nothing to convict him on. It's time to let it go. 

 

What is debunked?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

10 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's all been debunked. 

Seriously, this guy has been under the microscope for years and they've found absolutely nothing to convict him on. It's time to let it go. 

 

Seriously.  A minor campaign finance violation? Please.  

[5-Points 3,530]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What is debunked?

Pretty much your entire post. 

[5-Points 3,530]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Seriously.  A minor campaign finance violation? Please.  

A bookkeeping error. Which wasn't his error to begin with. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Pretty much your entire post. 

Trump didn’t ask Pence to re-elect the vote? Let’s start there.

[seafoam1 3,025]

48 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Depends on the agenda. Seems to be working exactly as planned. 

I already knew obama's agenda before the pig became president. And it was never the right thing for this country. Just because he was effectively destructive as a black democrat, didn't make it the right thing even if the libs got what they wanted. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Funny , the ones that voted for Biden are complaining about both of their choices.  The Trump voters are only complaining about one. 

[5-Points 3,530]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump didn’t ask Pence to re-elect the vote? Let’s start there.

No. 

Do you think changing electors was something that Trump thought up and had never been suggested in the past? 

Also, do you think anything out of the ordinary took place during the 2020 election? Or do you think everything was above board? 

[5-Points 3,530]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I already knew obama's agenda before the pig became president. And it was never the right thing for this country. Just because he was effectively destructive as a black democrat, didn't make it the right thing even if the libs got what they wanted. 

 

It was the wrong thing for the country. Which made it the right thing for the Soros democrats. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Obama was the one that started crying about this “school to prison pipeline” bullshit. Working out great.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

12 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

No. 

Do you think changing electors was something that Trump thought up and had never been suggested in the past? 

Also, do you think anything out of the ordinary took place during the 2020 election? Or do you think everything was above board? 

What was this?

If a candidate did what Trump did it would automatically remove them from my pool. How is this controversial? If a Dem candidate did this I’m certain you would be out? Is that something we can agree on?

The 2020 election was like any other. There are 150 million people voting. Trump clearly lost.

[avoiding injuries 1,580]

Anytime I’m watching a show or movie that has a United States President in it (currently watching Diplomat on Netflix), I try to picture Joe Biden playing the role and it’s laughable. Nobody would take the program serious if an old, demented man was in charge. Unless of course the show was based on a President that had dementia or Alzheimer’s. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

24 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

36 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That's all been debunked. 

Seriously, this guy has been under the microscope for years and they've found absolutely nothing to convict him on. It's time to let it go. 

 

Seriously.  A minor campaign finance violation? Please

He only survived the second impeachment because he was no longer Prez. Quite the innocent fella you guys are backing here.

 

[thegeneral 3,214]

8 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Anytime I’m watching a show or movie that has a United States President in it (currently watching Diplomat on Netflix), I try to picture Joe Biden playing the role and it’s laughable. Nobody would take the program serious if an old, demented man was in charge. Unless of course the show was based on a President that had dementia or Alzheimer’s. 

The makeup wearing orange guy with the screw on hair, bozo the clown tie and 12 word vocabulary though

[5-Points 3,530]

23 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What was this?

If a candidate did what Trump did it would automatically remove them from my pool. How is this controversial? If a Dem candidate did this I’m certain you would be out? Is that something we can agree on?

The 2020 election was like any other. There are 150 million people voting. Trump clearly lost.

Do you think that was the first time something like that happened? It wasn't. 

If Trump got a fair shake in the media and/or Biden was reported on accurately, Trump wins 2020 in a landslide. Anything subsequent to that is irrelevant imo. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Do you think that was the first time something like that happened? It wasn't. 

If Trump got a fair shake in the media and/or Biden was reported on accurately, Trump wins 2020 in a landslide. Anything subsequent to that is irrelevant imo. 

Wait, what was Trump asking Pence to do there? No subject change please.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 hours ago, 5-Points said:

 

How do you explain the subsequent increase in racial tension and civil unrest? 

During Obama’s term in office, technology provided hand held mobile phones that allowed everybody to videotape their surroundings and post it on social media. The police has been pulling this racist sh!t forever, but the new mobile phones allowed the public to become aware of it. And there’s your main reason for social unrest, 

[5-Points 3,530]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Wait, what was Trump asking Pence to do there? No subject change please.

Replace electors if I'm correct about what you're trying to suggest. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

During Obama’s term in office, technology provided hand held mobile phones that allowed everybody to videotape their surroundings and post it on social media. The police has been pulling this racist sh!t forever, but the new mobile phones allowed the public to become aware of it. And there’s your main reason for social unrest, 

Ferguson was filmed? Where can I see it? Nice try chump. And why did you use a child being molested as a dig in the other thread? You’re a shitt person for that. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ferguson was filmed? Where can I see it? Nice try chump. And why did you use a child being molested as a dig in the other thread? You’re a shitt person for that. 

I didn’t. You used the word “experience”. I responded to it. 
 

No there was no film of Michael Brown, or of Trayvon Martin. But by that time the number of videos posted had added up and people were already outraged. Some of you seem to think the outrage was manufactured, by Obama, by the liberal media, by Black Lives Matter, etc. None of that is true. The outrage was there because bad acts happened. Black people were and are mistreated by police. You can’t manufacture that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t. You used the word “experience”. I responded to it. 
 

No there was no film of Michael Brown, or of Trayvon Martin. But by that time the number of videos posted had added up and people were already outraged. Some of you seem to think the outrage was manufactured, by Obama, by the liberal media, by Black Lives Matter, etc. None of that is true. The outrage was there because bad acts happened. Black people were and are mistreated by police. You can’t manufacture that. 

No, you asked if I had been molested as a put down. I never brought it up. You’re garbage.  And like a true libtard, you deny what we can clearly see for ourselves.  

[thegeneral 3,214]

6 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Replace electors if I'm correct about what you're trying to suggest. 

Yes. Toss the election back, not certify the results. There is no legal right for him to do this but who the knows what happens if he goes along with it.

You are telling me if this were a Democrat you would think they were qualified and mentally stable enough to be a candidate?

[5-Points 3,530]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Yes. Toss the election back, not certify the results. There is no legal right for him to do this but who the knows what happens if he goes along with it.

You are telling me if this were a Democrat you would think they were qualified and mentally stable enough to be a candidate?

I'm telling you 2020 wasn't the first time that scenario played out and it wasn't something Trump came up with on his own. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

No, you asked if I had been molested as a put down. I never brought it up. You’re garbage.  And like a true libtard, you deny what we can clearly see for ourselves.  

This is wrong. You made a sneering comment that my knowledge on the subject of pedophilia was lacking because of my limited experience. I agreed with you that I have never experienced pedophilia. I asked if you had, since you seemed to know so much about it. It was certainly meant to be a joke, but not meant to be a put down or serious insult. I apologize if you took it the wrong way. That wasn’t my intent. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I'm telling you 2020 wasn't the first time that scenario played out and it wasn't something Trump came up with on his own. 

First, how then was Trump asking for Pence to stop the process “debunked”?

Fine let’s hear the time this happened before and compare how it played out and how yeah Trump didn’t really do anything wrong. This happens all the time!

Did you also think they were doing everything on the up and up. Did you think they would be a great choice to be put back into the job that essential has unchecked power? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

This is wrong. You made a sneering comment that my knowledge on the subject of pedophilia was lacking because of my limited experience. I agreed with you that I have never experienced pedophilia. I asked if you had, since you seemed to know so much about it. It was certainly meant to be a joke, but not meant to be a put down or serious insult. I apologize if you took it the wrong way. That wasn’t my intent. 

Joking about child rape.  Ok. That’s who you are. But we all know you would say only that to a straight white male. Fraud.  

[5-Points 3,530]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

First, how then was Trump asking for Pence to stop the process “debunked”?

Fine let’s hear the time this happened before and compare how it played out and how yeah Trump didn’t really do anything wrong. This happens all the time!

Did you also think they were doing everything on the up and up. Did you think they would be a great choice to be put back into the job that essential has unchecked power? 

You like to ask a lot of questions but you don't seem to want to answer many. Noted. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, 5-Points said:

You like to ask a lot of questions but you don't seem to want to answer many. Noted. 

You can questions as well, I believe I have answered all your questions you have asked.

When you say BS like how something has been “debunked” then start going on about something else it does kind of lend itself to other questions.

Anyways I asked to hear about how this is such a common thing. I’m all ears to hear about how this justification for why it’s just ok to back this guy again.

[SUXBNME 1,502]

5 Points won this thread 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, SUXBNME said:

5 Points won this thread 

No doubt. 

[5-Points 3,530]

Just now, thegeneral said:

You can questions as well, I believe I have answered all your questions you have asked.

When you say BS like how something has been “debunked” then start going on about something else it does kind of lend itself to other questions.

Anyways I asked to hear about how this is such a common thing. I’m all ears to hear about how this justification for why it’s just ok to back this guy again.

There is a thing known as  "faithless electors"

"As of the 2020 election, there have been a total of 165^[3][4] instances of faithlessness, 90 were for president and 75 were for vice president."

"The United States Constitution does not specify a notion of pledging; no federal law or constitutional statute binds an elector's vote to anything. All pledging laws originate at the state level"

Trump was well within his rights to question whether or not the Electoral votes in questionable outcomes were legit or could be changed. 

Again, he didn't come up with the idea. It has been tried before. 

"As of 2020, 33 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require electors to vote for the candidates for whom they pledged to vote, though in half of these jurisdictions there is no enforcement mechanism. In 14 states, votes contrary to the pledge are voided and the respective electors are replaced, and in two of these states they may also be fined. Three other states impose a penalty on faithless electors but still count their votes as cast."

 

[thegeneral 3,214]

6 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

There is a thing known as  "faithless electors"

"As of the 2020 election, there have been a total of 165^[3][4] instances of faithlessness, 90 were for president and 75 were for vice president."

"The United States Constitution does not specify a notion of pledging; no federal law or constitutional statute binds an elector's vote to anything. All pledging laws originate at the state level"

Trump was well within his rights to question whether or not the Electoral votes in questionable outcomes were legit or could be changed. 

Again, he didn't come up with the idea. It has been tried before. 

"As of 2020, 33 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require electors to vote for the candidates for whom they pledged to vote, though in half of these jurisdictions there is no enforcement mechanism. In 14 states, votes contrary to the pledge are voided and the respective electors are replaced, and in two of these states they may also be fined. Three other states impose a penalty on faithless electors but still count their votes as cast."

 

Ok here is something that can be debunked.

Google Trump’s “alternative electors” versus “faithless electors” you cut and paste in here.

You can use this if you like

[5-Points 3,530]

12 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

5 Points won this thread 

Only because Bubba didn't fock it up!

 

[5-Points 3,530]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Ok here is something that can be debunked.

Google Trump’s “alternative electors” versus “faithless electors” you cut and paste in here.

You can use this if you like

Once again, do YOU think Trump came up with the idea on his own? 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Once again, do YOU think Trump came up with the idea on his own? 

This alternate electors BS? I don’t know who came up with it. John Eastman will be the fall guy it seems.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Link

Good article explaining the difference between fake or “alternate” electors - Trump’s attempted scam - versus faithless electors.