Why are Democrats so afraid of "No Labels" in politics?

[jonmx 2,424]

Until we clean up the entire excutive branch of the federal government, all these other issues are nothing but distractions.   Our government has gone completely rogue led by an extremely powerful Executive Branch which only elected official has been nothing but a puppet for 60 years.  Congress has no ability to check the NSA, FBI, CIA, DoD, NIH, ATF, IRS, and DHS and keep them in line.   They all operative in secrecy and abuse human rights and the Constitution at every turn.  Democrats believe that since they are just abusing those sub-human Conservatives it is all good.  We are losing our country and most people are clueless fuks.

[BuckSwope 654]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are these people the replacements for the emo kids we had in the 90's?  Do we still have all the emo kids or did they change into the bright haired, trans rights people?  I'm just curious if we've always had this group of young people but they just evolved.

Interesting question.   I don't think so, but that is just based on my limited exposure to students at the school and the few alphabet/pronoun people we have at work.   They strike me more as the artsy/band geeks I was around in HS.   Most are outgoing and friendly, not the broody emos I've met.   There also seems to be a blending of the kids that used to have issues like eating disorders and cutting.  I've noticed there seems to be a high correlation with one of those and that group.    

That said, I also don't see many emo and goth kids anymore, so either you are correct or they just stay in the basement and brood.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

20 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That said, I also don't see many emo and goth kids anymore, so either you are correct or they just stay in the basement and brood.  

I think we've always had a demographic like this.  They may evolve but they are always there.

[League Champion 1,896]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are these people the replacements for the emo kids we had in the 90's?  Do we still have all the emo kids or did they change into the bright haired, trans rights people?  I'm just curious if we've always had this group of young people but they just evolved.

MAJOR DIFFERENCE

Emo kids were the opposite, they were just disenfranchised kids who didn't want attention, even though they dressed like freaks. 

The Trans Community needs constant attention and want to be over the top and in your face. Goth kids just wanted to listen to the Cure in their bedrooms. 

Did they have Goth Flags in classrooms? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

MAJOR DIFFERENCE

Emo kids were the opposite, they were just disenfranchised kids who didn't want attention, even though they dressed like freaks. 

The Trans Community needs constant attention and want to be over the top and in your face. Goth kids just wanted to listen to the Cure in their bedrooms. 

Did they have Goth Flags in classrooms? 

Where are they now though?

[BuckSwope 654]

57 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Where are they now though?

Same place- probably their basement.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Same place- probably their basement.  

Or they evolved into something else.  There's always been some kind of liberal fringe group.  The hippies, emos and now the pronouns.

[TheNewGirl 1,357]

5 hours ago, Sagging Scrot said:

That thing is literally the destruction of the USA.

If trans joy is so real, why do most of them seem miserable? 

 

[League Champion 1,896]

32 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Same place- probably their basement.  

Without question. 

[BuckSwope 654]

20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Or they evolved into something else.  There's always been some kind of liberal fringe group.  The hippies, emos and now the pronouns.

I agree more with LC on this one.  The pronoun people don't strike me as similar to the goths.  The only connection might be the ones who self harm.  The ones I interact with more remind me of the theater/band/art geeks that already were androgynous or lgb when I was in HS.  imo instead of the goths, what adds to the numbers are the ones who also already had body and eating issues.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

I agree more with LC on this one.  The pronoun people don't strike me as similar to the goths.  The only connection might be the ones who self harm.  The ones I interact with more remind me of the theater/band/art geeks that already were androgynous or lgb when I was in HS.  imo instead of the goths, what adds to the numbers are the ones who also already had body and eating issues.  

I'm not trying to say they are similar in that way.  They are similar in that they are a liberal fringe group.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

If trans joy is so real, why do most of them seem miserable? 

 

That's a great question.  I think some would say it's because they are mentally ill.

[BuckSwope 654]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not trying to say they are similar in that way.  They are similar in that they are a liberal fringe group.

Fair, I was just trying to account for what seems to be a rise in said group, and answering your question if the goths morphed into the trans/non-binary people.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Fair, I was just trying to account for what seems to be a rise in said group, and answering your question if the goths morphed into the trans/non-binary people.  

I guess me saying evolved wasn't very accurate.  The goths have grown up and the non-binary people have replaced them.

[League Champion 1,896]

27 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

trans/non-binary people.  

These people are absolutely insane. They need help, not the Dems celebrating them. 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

33 minutes ago, League Champion said:

These people are absolutely insane. They need help, not the Dems celebrating them. 

 

You know or work with any? 

[Dozer FBG 324]

9 hours ago, League Champion said:

Agree, I don't how this became OK. I'd love to hear a Dems view on it. 

My view is that Mr. Scrot has an unreasonable fear and crippling paranoia.

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said:

My view is that Mr. Scrot has an unreasonable fear and crippling paranoia.

You can deflect, it was expected. 

[Dozer FBG 324]

8 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You can deflect, it was expected. 

You asked for a Democrats view. Thats mine. 

I think you've fallen for a false and hideous re-telling of a serious problem that blames the worst evils we can imagine on the people you disagree with politicaly. Painting your rivials as sub human instead of a neighbor you disagee with.

I think you do the cause of protecting children harm.

I think passing on the vile false representation is part of the proplem and hurts the ones you cliam to want to protect.

[seafoam1 2,804]

1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said:

You asked for a Democrats view. Thats mine. 

I think you've fallen for a false and hideous re-telling of a serious problem that blames the worst evils we can imagine on the people you disagree with politicaly. Painting your rivials as sub human instead of a neighbor you disagee with.

I think you do the cause of protecting children harm.

I think passing on the vile false representation is part of the proplem and hurt the ones you cliam to want to protect.

I don't think he thinks biden's pedo nature is good for our country.

So what are you whining about?

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

On 8/20/2023 at 6:16 PM, Mike Hunt said:

 

We need more "No labels"  more people who are for the way people think regardless of sides.

 

 

Trump ran out of money at the end of his campaigns in 2016 and 2020. 

Elizabeth Warren vowed not to take PAC money in 2020, trying to only rely on small dollar donations, and she eventually caved, and ended up taking corporate PAC money because her coffers were empty. 

The largest problem is you can't win without lots of money. 

Part of the reason Liz Cheney jumped ship is because she could no longer rise in the Republican Party. She was, at one time, the third ranking in the House GOP. But it was clear she was going to be replaced by Elise Stefanik and the RNC would not open the purse strings for a POTUS run. 

In order to have what you say you want, you'd need a candidate who was independently wealthy in a way that no one could match. Also, with that, you'd need that person to develop a piece of technology, say the newest version of the IPad-like device, that they give "free" to everyone in the country. And everyone uses it, and all messaging could be relayed through that platform. 

You need to circumvent the "corporate capture" of how information is used and released within this country. Then you can have a true "outsider" to the system. That's it. That's the only path to an "outsider", and they'd be immediately persecuted. In effect, other than a military coup, there is no other path to change the current trajectory of politics in America. This is late stage capitalism. The center does not hold. This is all going to fall apart. It can't be saved. Not without lots of violence. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

Idiots still think there are only two sides to the immigration issue and they both won’t do anything about it. There are three. Democrats , Rinos, and America first. So spare us the nonsense that no one will do anything about it. At least one will do something.  

[BuckSwope 654]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Idiots still think there are only two sides to the immigration issue and they both won’t do anything about it. There are three. Democrats , Rinos, and America first. So spare us the nonsense that no one will do anything about it. At least one will do something.  

Lol.  If you blowhards cared as much about illegals as you do trannies on beer cans.    How about this - start a boycott of any company profiting off of illegals?   Maybe the "law and order" side of the aisle actually crack down on hiring practices?    Yes, it's accurate to point fingers at people like tim who hire them under the table to maximize their profits - you seriously can't be dumb enough to think that doesn't apply to huge portions of our economy.  Only the lefties want them in for those profits?   

No, there are two sides of this issue - ones who are partisan idiots that believe what politicians tell them and ones who look at their actions.  

[League Champion 1,896]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

illegals

Key Word 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Key Word 

Of course it is.   But there is wholesale hiring of them in very important sectors.   Question for you and others - when you use illegal do you use people who show up at the border, claim asylum,  and get their court date?   or just people running from feds and sneaking in? 

My position is anybody serious about this issue starts at enforcing the hiring of these people and with the broken asylum process.    

[seafoam1 2,804]

19 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Lol.  If you blowhards cared as much about illegals as you do trannies on beer cans.    How about this - start a boycott of any company profiting off of illegals?   Maybe the "law and order" side of the aisle actually crack down on hiring practices?    Yes, it's accurate to point fingers at people like tim who hire them under the table to maximize their profits - you seriously can't be dumb enough to think that doesn't apply to huge portions of our economy.  Only the lefties want them in for those profits?   

No, there are two sides of this issue - ones who are partisan idiots that believe what politicians tell them and ones who look at their actions.  

You seem very obsessed with people who don't like destructive things in this cointry. Why do you care what people buy or don't buy for whatever reasons they choose?

[League Champion 1,896]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

My position is anybody serious about this issue starts at enforcing the hiring of these people and with the broken asylum process.    

Sounds like a Biden Administration Policy issue to me. We can stop blaming Trump now. Not you, but they will try. 

[BuckSwope 654]

11 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Sounds like a Biden Administration Policy issue to me. We can stop blaming Trump now. Not you, but they will try. 

Currently, of course it is.  Not sure how much to blame politicians when most of our country runs on the profit over people mentality.   They are the scapegoats, but aren't the ones benefiting the most, and definitely aren't the ones losing the most.  

[League Champion 1,896]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Currently, of course it is.  Not sure how much to blame politicians when most of our country runs on the profit over people mentality.   They are the scapegoats, but aren't the ones benefiting the most, and definitely aren't the ones losing the most.  

Well, we can control Illegal Immigration. Our President chooses not to 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

Well, we can control Illegal Immigration. Our President chooses not to 

Of course we could.  I can't remember the last time we were in control of immigration.   That's my point- nobody really wants that, or it would be done.  Instead both sides profit big, and imo one side looks more hypocritical in the process.  

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Of course we could.  I can't remember the last time we were in control of immigration.   That's my point- nobody really wants that, or it would be done.  Instead both sides profit big, and imo one side looks more hypocritical in the process.  

Trump tried, was it a nobel effort? Probably not but we have to do something. Even "Sanctuary Cities" are pleading for help. 

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Trump tried, was it a nobel effort? Probably not but we have to do something. Even "Sanctuary Cities" are pleading for help. 

He tried, yes.  I think his solutions were dumb and didn't help, because again- they didn't address the 2 things above.   Imo anything other than that is a laughable band-aid fix, and probably a huge waste of time and money.  

[League Champion 1,896]

28 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Imo anything other than that is a laughable band-aid fix, and probably a huge waste of time and money.  

I agree but something has to be done. Look what's happening in France. We're not far away from total chaos either. 

[BuckSwope 654]

17 minutes ago, League Champion said:

I agree but something has to be done. Look what's happening in France. We're not far away from total chaos either. 

I agree, but I am also not going to rally behind policies or solutions that don't address a problem or worse, waste more money or make things worse.    

[League Champion 1,896]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I agree, but I am also not going to rally behind policies or solutions that don't address a problem or worse, waste more money or make things worse.    

No, but doing nothing isn't helping the problem 

[seafoam1 2,804]

57 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I agree, but I am also not going to rally behind policies or solutions that don't address a problem or worse, waste more money or make things worse.    

Like sending $100's of billions to fund a war in Europe?

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Like sending $100's of billions to fund a war in Europe?

Yes, like that.  Do you see me in here rallying behind that or saying it's a good idea to keep dumping Billions there instead of here?

[League Champion 1,896]

58 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, like that.  Do you see me in here rallying behind that or saying it's a good idea to keep dumping Billions there instead of here?

Yeah, this war is going to bury us even further. Russia can basically keep this going as long as they like. How long are we supposed to fight and fund someone else's war? It's BS in my opinion. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,959]

Yeah sure. The illegal immigration situation is pretty much the same under Biden as it was under Trump.  Or even Obama. Not much difference at all. The stupidity being brought forth here is amazing.