Hunter Biden indicted on nine tax charges, adding to gun charges in special counsel probe

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Did you read this article?

I’m not playing your dumb pathetic game. Yes I read it it’s why I used a lefty source because is is slanted. The call happened, Shokin was fired, Poroshanko is on record saying Shokin did nothing wrong and, we have FOIAd emails of Victory Neuland and John Kerry praising Shokins work 6 months prior to his firing. You pick one item of evidence out of 30 pieces I listed to play some sad gotcha. We know who you are. Get a hobby loser. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

7 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I’m not playing your dumb pathetic game. Yes I read it it’s why I used a lefty source because is is slanted. The call happened, Shokin was fired, Poroshanko is on record saying Shokin did nothing wrong and, we have FOIAd emails of Victory Neuland and John Kerry praising Shokins work 6 months prior to his firing. You pick one item of evidence out of 30 pieces I listed to play some sad gotcha. We know who you are. Get a hobby loser. 

Prior to Bidens threats of withholding the aid, the state department had cleared the aid to be released because Ukraine had met the requirements for the anti corruption stipulations. Biden freelanced that. 

[thegeneral 3,092]

11 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I’m not playing your dumb pathetic game. Yes I read it it’s why I used a lefty source because is is slanted. The call happened, Shokin was fired, Poroshanko is on record saying Shokin did nothing wrong and, we have FOIAd emails of Victory Neuland and John Kerry praising Shokins work 6 months prior to his firing. You pick one item of evidence out of 30 pieces I listed to play some sad gotcha. We know who you are. Get a hobby loser. 

The firing was coordinated US policy

This has been investigated thoroughly

Previous investigation

If what you were saying is accurate this would be beyond investigations at this point.

[jerryskids 6,694]

30 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I think this is a good summary

 

I'll try to read it, but I honestly hope you aren't trying to pass this off as an objective analysis when it starts:

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The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations that Joe Biden,

I'll add this to the "Wikipedia is biased" pile.   

[thegeneral 3,092]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'll try to read it, but I honestly hope you aren't trying to pass this off as an objective analysis when it starts:

I'll add this to the "Wikipedia is biased" pile.   

I mean they aren’t perfect by any means, but what is? They cite how they came to the conclusions and info is collected in one spot on a topic and typically covers many aspects of a topic - like this phone call with Biden.

[jerryskids 6,694]

40 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I think this is a good summary

 

Did Media Matters write this?  28 instances of the word "false" or "falsehood," the author needs a thesaurus.

So basically this pinnacle of reporting is saying that the entire world was trying to fire Shokin because they all cared so much, but only Biden riding in on a $1B white stallion could get the job done?  And also muh Russia and Trump$#@!

[Horseman 2,438]

[Horseman 2,438]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I mean they aren’t perfect by any means, but what is? They cite how they came to the conclusions and info is collected in one spot on a topic and typically covers many aspects of a topic - like this phone call with Biden.

It's like you wake up in the morning and hit yourself in the head before posting. 

[thegeneral 3,092]

23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Did Media Matters write this?  28 instances of the word "false" or "falsehood," the author needs a thesaurus.

So basically this pinnacle of reporting is saying that the entire world was trying to fire Shokin because they all cared so much, but only Biden riding in on a $1B white stallion could get the job done?  And also muh Russia and Trump$#@!

False or falsehood works in many cases. 

[thegeneral 3,092]

21 minutes ago, Horseman said:

It's like you wake up in the morning and hit yourself in the head before posting. 

I’ll come to you for my pirating videos from Romania needs

[Raven Fan 362]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

False or falsehood works in many cases. 

Do these rubes really think the VP just went and had some other country's prosecutor fired and it wasn't US and our allies position?  And no one from our country said boo about it?

HTF do these people get out of bed in the morning without hurting themselves?

[thegeneral 3,092]

8 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Do these rubes really think the VP just went and had some other country's prosecutor fired and it wasn't US and our allies position?  And no one from our country said boo about it?

HTF do these people get out of bed in the morning without hurting themselves?

I do get aspects of this being shady and a very bad look for Biden so politics and all. This phone call thing though and the firing is BS.

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I do get aspects of this being shady and a very bad look for Biden so politics and all. This phone call thing though and the firing is BS.

Oh I have no doubt that Hunter used Biden's name to make deals.  Not a crime.

But for the MAGAtards here to state that the US VP just went rogue and got some other country's prosecutor fired all on his own without massive blowback here and home and among our allies is idiocy of the highest level.

But they are cultist, so not unexpected.

SAD

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Did Media Matters write this?  28 instances of the word "false" or "falsehood," the author needs a thesaurus.

So basically this pinnacle of reporting is saying that the entire world was trying to fire Shokin because they all cared so much, but only Biden riding in on a $1B white stallion could get the job done?  And also muh Russia and Trump$#@!

He’s playing games and he’s bad at it. It isn’t worth the time. He trots out Yavanovich as some sort of gotcha. Only problem is she perjured herself repeatedly. How do we know? Because she testified she had “little” knowledge of Burisma when she was taking meetings with them before Trump took office and was warned by her top deputy 3 years before the hearing that Burisma hired Blue Star Strategies and Hunter. 

[jerryskids 6,694]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

False or falsehood works in many cases. 

I'm still interested in your explanation of Biden's statement in the phone call, which remarkably  your objective wiki article somehow missed.

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“It’s going to be critical for him to work quickly to repair the damage that Shokin did,” Biden said in the call. “And I’m a man of my word. And now that the new prosecutor general is in place, we’re ready to move forward to signing that new $1 billion loan guarantee.”

What is critical to repair?

And if Biden is a "man of his word" in response to Poroshenko's firing of Shokin, why did Poroshenko deny that Biden had any impact, as per your objective link?

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In an August 2023 Fox News interview, Shokin said he was fired as prosecutor general "at the insistence of then-Vice President [Biden] because I was investigating Burisma." One month later, Poroshenko was asked on Fox News for his reaction to Shokin's assertion. Poroshenko responded:

First of all, this is a completely crazy person. There is something wrong with him. Second, there is not one single word of truth. And third, I hate the idea to make any comments and to make any intervention in an American election. We have very much enjoyed the bipartisan support, and please, do not use such a person like Shokin to undermine the trust between bipartisan support and Ukraine.

The Fox News interviewer responded, "Okay, so that is not true. He didn't get fired because of Joe Biden." Poroshenko confirmed this, adding Shokin was fired by the Ukrainian parliament "for his own statement" and "he played a very dirty game unfortunately."

Just seems like somethin is off. 

[thegeneral 3,092]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm still interested in your explanation of Biden's statement in the phone call, which remarkably  your objective wiki article somehow missed.

What is critical to repair?

And if Biden is a "man of his word" in response to Poroshenko's firing of Shokin, why did Poroshenko deny that Biden had any impact, as per your objective link?

Just seems like somethin is off. 

I posted this earlier but the allegations were that Shokin was hindering investigations into companies like Burisma. Link

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

36 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Oh I have no doubt that Hunter used Biden's name to make deals.  Not a crime.

But for the MAGAtards here to state that the US VP just went rogue and got some other country's prosecutor fired all on his own without massive blowback here and home and among our allies is idiocy of the highest level.

But they are cultist, so not unexpected.

SAD

Yes it is a crime 

[jerryskids 6,694]

15 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I posted this earlier but the allegations were that Shokin was hindering investigations into companies like Burisma. Link

Hmm... Joe wanted to accelerate investigations into Burisma, where he knew his son was "consulting"?  That's a theory I guess.

Anyway, you asked what I think, and I told you that things seem a little fishy and why.  At least worth investigating.

 

[Raven Fan 362]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes it is a crime 

Explain how that's a crime boyo?

Unless Biden delivered something for the money, there ain't no crime.  Do you know who's on the boards of major companies?  People with names.  Why, it enhances the reputation of the board to have "famous" people on it.

Dumb dumb.

[thegeneral 3,092]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Hmm... Joe wanted to accelerate investigations into Burisma, where he knew his son was "consulting"?  That's a theory I guess.

Anyway, you asked what I think, and I told you that things seem a little fishy and why.  At least worth investigating.

 

Burisma was just one of the companies needing investigating would be my guess. This call as proof of anything is the weakest of any angles of this story that Cormer is trying to create.

I think investigating these folks is fair of course and def part of the duties of Congress. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

1 hour ago, Raven Fan said:

Explain how that's a crime boyo?

Unless Biden delivered something for the money, there ain't no crime.  Do you know who's on the boards of major companies?  People with names.  Why, it enhances the reputation of the board to have "famous" people on it.

Dumb dumb.

He delivered.  Big time. Think his idiot brothers, sister and kids and grandkids are rich off of joes book deals? Lol. 

[RLLD 4,187]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I think this is a good summary

 

Team Obama loved Victor Shokin, so why did Joe Biden get him fired?

In fact the Ukrainians did not really want Biden interfering... they did not want to pay him a cent....but gave in to the Biden demands....

Burisma Owner Thought Hunter Biden Was Dumber Than His Dog: FBI Document

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Zlochevsky was told, according to the document, that Shokin's public investigation into Burisma would have negative effects on Burisma's IPO. The Burisma owner replied: "Don't worry, Hunter will take care of all of those issues through his dad."

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When it was suggested that Zlochevsky/Burisma pay an attorney $50,000 to litigate the matter, Zlochevsky laughed at the thought, saying: "It costs $5 [million] to pay one Biden, and $5 [million] to another Biden," the document says. The informant said at the time that it was unverified whether such alleged payments were already made.

 

[thegeneral 3,092]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Team Obama loved Victor Shokin, so why did Joe Biden get him fired?

In fact the Ukrainians did not really want Biden interfering... they did not want to pay him a cent....but gave in to the Biden demands....

Burisma Owner Thought Hunter Biden Was Dumber Than His Dog: FBI Document

 

The first one is an opinion piece so not too sure about that. Plenty of people saying the dude needed to go. 

For anything Chuck Grassley has put out I just refer to his comments in December last year which are more recent than what your article referred to Link 

[RLLD 4,187]

14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The first one is an opinion piece so not too sure about that. Plenty of people saying the dude needed to go. 

For anything Chuck Grassley has put out I just refer to his comments in December last year which are more recent than what your article referred to Link 

Your link was to Wikipedia.....also an opinion piece, but if you disagree with the opinion I can get behind that, I disagree with the opinion that the prosecutor was fired for anything other than being a threat to Hunter.

Regardless of what Grassley has put forth, we have the comments from the individual noted from the time period. 

Now back to your usage of the Grassley link.....the entire purpose of the investigation is to find that mistake they made as part of their criminal enterprise. The entire reason for the setup with the fake LLC's is to hide the crime.....these people are not just going to admit it.....hand over the fact of what they did.....  Grassley is only alluding to what I have already said.....we do not yet have proof of what Biden did for the money....

That is why another important part of the Grassley details is the acknowledgement Zlochevsky claimed to have many text messages and recordings that show that he was coerced into paying the Bidens to ensure Shokin was fired. Specifically, he claimed to have two recordings with Joe Biden and 15 recordings with Hunter Biden. Zlochevsky also retained two documents, presumably financial records, as evidence of the arrangement, but said he didn’t send any funds directly to the “Big Guy,” a term understood to be a reference to Joe Biden. References to the “Big Guy” surfaced in communications involving other Biden family business arrangements independent of the Burisma arrangement. Zlochevsky claimed it would take investigators 10 years to uncover the illicit payments to the Bidens, according to the document.

 

I would like to see the present investigation continue, and if they can prove what is evident from numerous whistle blowers and bank records.....then I would like them to correlate Biden actions to payments.  But I am also a realist. Both the media and the DOJ have demonstrated allegiance to Biden and protect him well.   We have to accept that no matter how well they investigate, we may never know to what extent Biden sold us out....

[thegeneral 3,092]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Your link was to Wikipedia.....also an opinion piece, but if you disagree with the opinion I can get behind that, I disagree with the opinion that the prosecutor was fired for anything other than being a threat to Hunter.

Regardless of what Grassley has put forth, we have the comments from the individual noted from the time period. 

Now back to your usage of the Grassley link.....the entire purpose of the investigation is to find that mistake they made as part of their criminal enterprise. The entire reason for the setup with the fake LLC's is to hide the crime.....these people are not just going to admit it.....hand over the fact of what they did.....  Grassley is only alluding to what I have already said.....we do not yet have proof of what Biden did for the money....

That is why another important part of the Grassley details is the acknowledgement Zlochevsky claimed to have many text messages and recordings that show that he was coerced into paying the Bidens to ensure Shokin was fired. Specifically, he claimed to have two recordings with Joe Biden and 15 recordings with Hunter Biden. Zlochevsky also retained two documents, presumably financial records, as evidence of the arrangement, but said he didn’t send any funds directly to the “Big Guy,” a term understood to be a reference to Joe Biden. References to the “Big Guy” surfaced in communications involving other Biden family business arrangements independent of the Burisma arrangement. Zlochevsky claimed it would take investigators 10 years to uncover the illicit payments to the Bidens, according to the document.

 

I would like to see the present investigation continue, and if they can prove what is evident from numerous whistle blowers and bank records.....then I would like them to correlate Biden actions to payments.  But I am also a realist. Both the media and the DOJ have demonstrated allegiance to Biden and protect him well.   We have to accept that no matter how well they investigate, we may never know to what extent Biden sold us out....

Wikipedia if they offer an angle on story cites the articles and I believe they wouldn’t reference an article like the first one you posted.

Investigate away. It comes with being the majority party in the House, they determine the agenda and what is investigated.

It’s fair to say that some people will never be satisfied regardless of what comes of this even if the investigations ends with nothing happening. 

[RLLD 4,187]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Wikipedia if they offer an angle on story cites the articles and I believe they wouldn’t reference an article like the first one you posted.

Investigate away. It comes with being the majority party in the House, they determine the agenda and what is investigated.

It’s fair to say that some people will never be satisfied regardless of what comes of this even if the investigations ends with nothing happening. 

Wikipedia is not something one should reference, hence its absence from academia in terms of sourcing.

As long as this investigation does not replicate the Bill Clinton or Trump nonsense, all good..... if the outcome is "we just cannot prove it" that will not surprise me.  Historically, the FBI has to flip someone on the inside when they pursued prosecution toward the mob when they were doing what Biden has done here. 

[thegeneral 3,092]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Wikipedia is not something one should reference, hence its absence from academia in terms of sourcing.

As long as this investigation does not replicate the Bill Clinton or Trump nonsense, all good..... if the outcome is "we just cannot prove it" that will not surprise me.  Historically, the FBI has to flip someone on the inside when they pursued prosecution toward the mob when they were doing what Biden has done here. 

Good luck with that

They got Jim Jordan running point.

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

Here are the FOIA’d letters. They loved Shokin. There was nobody pushing for his termination except for Biden. 

"We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government," then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland personally wrote Shokin in an official letter dated June 9, 2015 that was delivered to the prosecutor two days later by then-U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt.  

Nuland, now President Biden's undersecretary of state, wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight.”
 

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-01/F-2021-04113 -- FL-2021-00525 December 2021 Production.pdf

[RLLD 4,187]

13 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Good luck with that

They got Jim Jordan running point.

    I know......I know.....

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

25 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Here are the FOIA’d letters. They loved Shokin. There was nobody pushing for his termination except for Biden. 

"We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government," then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland personally wrote Shokin in an official letter dated June 9, 2015 that was delivered to the prosecutor two days later by then-U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt.  

Nuland, now President Biden's undersecretary of state, wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight.”
 

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-01/F-2021-04113 -- FL-2021-00525 December 2021 Production.pdf

[RLLD 4,187]

26 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

Here are the FOIA’d letters. They loved Shokin. There was nobody pushing for his termination except for Biden. 

"We have been impressed with the ambitious reform and anti-corruption agenda of your government," then-Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland personally wrote Shokin in an official letter dated June 9, 2015 that was delivered to the prosecutor two days later by then-U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt.  

Nuland, now President Biden's undersecretary of state, wrote that "Secretary Kerry asked me to reply on his behalf" to let Shokin know he enjoyed the full support of the United States as he set out to fight.”
 

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-01/F-2021-04113 -- FL-2021-00525 December 2021 Production.pdf

Correct.   We know that Shokin was an Obama favorite....but once he turned his sights on Burisma.....Biden took him down.....to protect Hunter....its obvious now.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct.   We know that Shokin was an Obama favorite....but once he turned his sights on Burisma.....Biden took him down.....to protect Hunter....its obvious now.

What other reason could there be? Last minute he drops this bomb on them, after the deal had been cut and approved? Why didn’t he voice his concerns when it was being debated? 

[RLLD 4,187]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What other reason could there be? Last minute he drops this bomb on them, after the deal had been cut and approved? Why didn’t he voice his concerns when it was being debated? 

Well, once the Democrats got wind of the laptop and its contents....the spin machine went into action to pretend he was performing some kind of moral mission 

And then of course, in concert, was the move to discredit the laptop by any means necessary.....

[Reality 3,121]

Just call it a loan so you don't have to pay taxes on it, have zero ability to pay it back. Then, get admin access with Daddy. Incredible. 

Liberals, you good with this?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

That’s what’s referred to as “pay to play”.  It’s the Biden crime family business model.  

[Strike 5,369]

21 minutes ago, Reality said:

Just call it a loan so you don't have to pay taxes on it, have zero ability to pay it back. Then, get admin access with Daddy. Incredible. 

Liberals, you good with this?

 

A complaint has been filed with the CA bar alleging this is a violation of Rule 1.8.5 of the CA rules of professional conduct:

https://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/documents/rules/Rule_1.8.5-Exec_Summary-Redline.pdf

 

[RLLD 4,187]

They are just big meaners toward hunter 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,196]

This guy, like Hunters father , is just using him.  

[RLLD 4,187]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This guy, like Hunters father , is just using him.  

Agree.   Who can say how or when it arose.....but when you step back, it becomes clear that Hunter was Joe's useful idiot....the front man to all the dirty deeds.  And if someone were going down, it would be Hunter....not Joe.

What a despicable piece of human garbage to whoah his son out like that....

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Agree.   Who can say how or when it arose.....but when you step back, it becomes clear that Hunter was Joe's useful idiot....the front man to all the dirty deeds.  And if someone were going down, it would be Hunter....not Joe.

What a despicable piece of human garbage to whoah his son out like that....

Yup, nailed it.