This economy is so bad

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, thegeneral said:

How are these going to be low income housing? 

In any case what about people purchasing these to then rent out?

Well, that is how you set them up, from the start...... that is how you zone for these buildings.  Maybe I do not understand that question, since this is more or less the way its done.

As with many residences, there are ways to ensure that the people acquiring their lease are using it as their primary domicile, this is also rather common.

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

Well, that is how you set them up, from the start...... that is how you zone for these buildings.  Maybe I do not understand that question, since this is more or less the way its done.

As with many residences, there are ways to ensure that the people acquiring their lease are using it as their primary domicile, this is also rather common.

So these condos being transformed from empty office space in  downtown DC, SF, LA, what have you are being subsidized to be constructed, then are being rent controlled through zoning, 

And this is something Dems are typically against

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

So these condos being transformed from empty office space in  downtown DC, SF, LA, what have you are being subsidized to be constructed, then are being rent controlled through zoning, 

And this is something Dems are typically against

It will depend, in part, on who proposes it.  If Trump were to champion it, then obviously it would be opposed as a matter of practice.  Past that, you will have plenty of folks who will find reasons to oppose it.  We have to accept this, because it has to be part of the plan; to deal with it.

I think it can work. I hope this happens.  

I have noted this concept working with regard to former malls....I love it when they are repurposed into community centers etc.  But changing these buildings could be a steep hill to climb.

[purdygood 352]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Well, that is how you set them up, from the start...... that is how you zone for these buildings.  Maybe I do not understand that question, since this is more or less the way its done.

As with many residences, there are ways to ensure that the people acquiring their lease are using it as their primary domicile, this is also rather common.

A big problem is Contractors are so busy, they don't want to build "low income housing" they only want to build "luxury housing" so no one will take on the jobs without being paid a huge premium and tax payers dont want to pay for that.

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It will depend, in part, on who proposes it.  If Trump were to champion it, then obviously it would be opposed as a matter of practice.  Past that, you will have plenty of folks who will find reasons to oppose it.  We have to accept this, because it has to be part of the plan; to deal with it.

I think it can work. I hope this happens.  

I have noted this concept working with regard to former malls....I love it when they are repurposed into community centers etc.  But changing these buildings could be a steep hill to climb.

I don’t think you will find Dems or Progressives being the issue here

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

A big problem is Contractors are so busy, they don't want to build "low income housing" they only want to build "luxury housing" so no one will take on the jobs without being paid a huge premium and tax payers dont want to pay for that.

Contractors are not busy, in fact they are pulling back on building due to influences such as inflation (yes, the Bidenflation hurts this area too).  There is not a dearth of builders nor are they overworked.  Builders will naturally seek to focus on products that afford more margin, but need not be excluded, they will step into this work.

I am getting a sense from the posting in here that there is some concern that people might make money on this endeavor, or perhaps too much or something.

That is not our worry here.  Our worry here is the government....and how they will make this potential opportunity too expensive, or less profitable, to pursue..... that is our main concern.

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I don’t think you will find Dems or Progressives being the issue here

I wish I could believe you.  But in practice, it usually is.....

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, RLLD said:

I wish I could believe you.  But in practice, it usually is.....

Rent control, trying to regulate affordable housing is the Dems main turf. Sorry man.

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Rent control, trying to regulate affordable housing is the Dems main turf. Sorry man.

There is much....much more to this effort than that.  And along the way government will get in the way, over and over, and it will disproportionately be Democrat-driven.  I have been through this multiple times..... the government sucks on every possible level, full stop.  They do three things 1) Make things more expensive 2) Make things take longer and 3) lower the quality

Thats is....I have dealt with them for years, and with commercial and residential construction as well.   Trust me, they are focking god-awful

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

There is much....much more to this effort than that.  And along the way government will get in the way, over and over, and it will disproportionately be Democrat-driven.  I have been through this multiple times..... the government sucks on every possible level, full stop.  They do three things 1) Make things more expensive 2) Make things take longer and 3) lower the quality

Thats is....I have dealt with them for years, and with commercial and residential construction as well.   Trust me, they are focking god-awful

They have to get out of the way except for helping pay for it, zone it, make sure it doesn’t get abused. Besides that then let a guy like Trump build it

Come on man.

[purdygood 352]

Just now, RLLD said:

Contractors are not busy, in fact they are pulling back on building due to influences such as inflation (yes, the Bidenflation hurts this area too).  There is not a dearth of builders nor are they overworked.  Builders will naturally seek to focus on products that afford more margin, but need not be excluded, they will step into this work.

I am getting a sense from the posting in here that there is some concern that people might make money on this endeavor, or perhaps too much or something.

That is not our worry here.  Our worry here is the government....and how they will make this potential opportunity too expensive, or less profitable, to pursue..... that is our main concern.

I don't know where you live, but here in California finding a contractor who isn't busy is impossible unless you wanna pay a 2X premium.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

They have to get out of the way except for helping pay for it, zone it, make sure it doesn’t get abused. Besides that then let a guy like Trump build it

Come on man.

Not sure I understand what you are trying to convey

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I don't know where you live, but here in California finding a contractor who isn't busy is impossible unless you wanna pay a 2X premium.

California overall is in the same boat

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Not sure I understand what you are trying to convey

Sorry I can’t help you. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

19 minutes ago, purdygood said:

A big problem is Contractors are so busy, they don't want to build "low income housing" they only want to build "luxury housing" so no one will take on the jobs without being paid a huge premium and tax payers dont want to pay for that.

I don’t think these empty office buildings necessarily need to be converted to low income housing.  Even if they were converted to “luxury housing,” in some of these big cities with really low supply it should help bring overall rents down.

[purdygood 352]

Just now, RLLD said:

California overall is in the same boat

Thanks~ yeah large scale projects have slowed because they are just too expensive (unless they are building luxury housing they can sell at a premium) . But finding someone to just replace your lights or renovate a room, those guys are charging a arm and leg because kids don't go into the trades anymore so they are IN DEMAND.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Sorry I can’t help you. 

OK, fair enough.  I think you can poke alot of holes into an idea, and its the kind of scrutiny I would anticipate from liberals should this idea start to get traction.  The tactic of asking question after question, pointedly to infer that this is somehow going to help affluent people etc....as if they should not be able to benefit from affordable housing in any way....which I surmise flawed thinking.

So you have demonstrated my concern here today.  The idea is questioned to denigrated it.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Thanks~ yeah large scale projects have slowed because they are just too expensive (unless they are building luxury housing they can sell at a premium) . But finding someone to just replace your lights or renovate a room, those guys are charging a arm and leg because kids don't go into the trades anymore so they are IN DEMAND.

The market will ebb and flow of course, and with it the building.  There really needs to be more tradesmen out there to be sure.

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

OK, fair enough.  I think you can poke alot of holes into an idea, and its the kind of scrutiny I would anticipate from liberals should this idea start to get traction.  The tactic of asking question after question, pointedly to infer that this is somehow going to help affluent people etc....as if they should not be able to benefit from affordable housing in any way....which I surmise flawed thinking.

So you have demonstrated my concern here today.  The idea is questioned to denigrated it.

I‘m saying your idea is a Progressive one. I am shocked you haven’t realized it by this point. 

[purdygood 352]

Just now, purdygood said:

Thanks~ yeah large scale projects have slowed because they are just too expensive (unless they are building luxury housing they can sell at a premium) . But finding someone to just replace your lights or renovate a room, those guys are charging a arm and leg because kids don't go into the trades anymore so they are IN DEMAND.

 

Just now, RLLD said:

The market will ebb and flow of course, and with it the building.  There really needs to be more tradesmen out there to be sure.

I recently replaced all the lights in my house to LED's.. the best quote i got was $140 a hour because he was so busy and he could "squeeze me in". I had him show me and hopped on the ladder and did a few myself to save on hours haha.  For sure kids these days should skip college and learn a trade. Money to be made there. My dad was a Pipe Fitter.

[Jose M 125]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

 

I recently replaced all the lights in my house to LED's.. the best quote i got was $140 a hour because he was so busy and he could "squeeze me in". I had him show me and hopped on the ladder and did a few myself to save on hours haha.  For sure kids these days should skip college and learn a trade. Money to be made there. My dad was a Pipe Fitter.

How many liberals does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Just one, they need a real man to teach them how first tho.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, purdygood said:

 

I recently replaced all the lights in my house to LED's.. the best quote i got was $140 a hour because he was so busy and he could "squeeze me in". I had him show me and hopped on the ladder and did a few myself to save on hours haha.  For sure kids these days should skip college and learn a trade. Money to be made there. My dad was a Pipe Fitter.

You needed someone to show you how to change a light bulb?  And you paid him $140/hr?

[purdygood 352]

Just now, Jose M said:

How many liberals does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Just one, they need a real man to teach them how first tho.  

I'm not very liberal, I just have enough money to pay someone who is a expert to do it for me. But I also aint afraid to help.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

I'm been waiting 4 months for a guy to paint my house.

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I'm been waiting 4 months for a guy to paint my house.

Well tell your husband to get up off his ass and do it already. 

[Jose M 125]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm not very liberal, I just have enough money to pay someone who is a expert to do it for me. But I also aint afraid to help.

A light bulb expert.  Wow.  

[purdygood 352]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

You needed someone to show you how to change a light bulb?

Haha no it was rewiring the sockets (in the "wet areas") for the entire house from these weird ass wattage bulbs (the people who lived there before me chose them) to permanent LED's low power bulbs.   If it was just swapping bulbs i got that haha

[RLLD 4,230]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I‘m saying your idea is a Progressive one. I am shocked you haven’t realized it by this point. 

Consider if you had made this position clear from the start, instead of posing multiple questions. 

The idea is not exclusively progressive, though liberals will advertise it perhaps more frequently. Both sides of the isle have the idea, the distinctions being how to do it....

[RLLD 4,230]

10 minutes ago, purdygood said:

 

I recently replaced all the lights in my house to LED's.. the best quote i got was $140 a hour because he was so busy and he could "squeeze me in". I had him show me and hopped on the ladder and did a few myself to save on hours haha.  For sure kids these days should skip college and learn a trade. Money to be made there. My dad was a Pipe Fitter.

Yep. And if I wanted my boat engine repaired, same thing......   I am trying to convince my son to start his own marine engine repair business after college.

[thegeneral 3,214]

6 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I'm not very liberal, I just have enough money to pay someone who is an expert to do it for me. But I also aint afraid to help.

You’ll see here that everyone is an expert in home building, plumbing, investing, electrical and they produce their own fabric to weave clothes. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Consider if you had made this position clear from the start, instead of posing multiple questions. 

The idea is not exclusively progressive, though liberals will advertise it perhaps more frequently. Both sides of the isle have the idea, the distinctions being how to do it....

I kind of thought we’d get there together. I also alluded to it more than a few times. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I kind of thought we’d get there together. I also alluded to it more than a few times. 

I think generalpimplefoosh has a crush....

[thegeneral 3,214]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

I think generalpimplefoosh has a crush....

Oh no. Peefoam is jelly.

[Jose M 125]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Haha no it was rewiring the sockets (in the "wet areas") for the entire house from these weird ass wattage bulbs (the people who lived there before me chose them) to permanent LED's low power bulbs.   If it was just swapping bulbs i got that haha

There is no "rewiring the sockets".  They replaced the fixtures.  It is one step up from changing a lightbulb, I'll give you that.   

If you wanted a different look then that would be appropriate.  But, if the fixtures are essentially the same you got ripped off because they make LED lights to fit any type of fixture there is.

[purdygood 352]

Just now, Jose M said:

There is no "rewiring the sockets".  They replaced the fixtures.  It is one step up from changing a lightbulb, I'll give you that.   

If you wanted a different look then that would be appropriate.  But, if the fixtures are essentially the same you got ripped off because they make LED lights to fit any type of fixture there is.

I hear you! Some of them were literally just plug and play.  But some they had to splice and rewire for the LED's to plug in.   They were these super obscure "wet area" bulbs that we're awful and I wasn't trying to redo like 20 of them by myself anyways.

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

My post was in jest.  You seem unwilling to ever consider that as you like to come crashing in with your tired boyo shtick.    

Sorry boyo.  You suck at sarcasm when all your “sarcasm” and “jesting” comes from the  alt right side.

Bit of advice, you’re not good at subtlety, so just let your cultist feelings flow. 
 

You’re welcome boyo.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

You guys don’t have to pretend the economy is bad anymore.

Biden is going to lose. It doesn’t matter.

It could be the greatest economy ever but he’s senile and that’s no good 

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

You guys don’t have to pretend the economy is bad anymore.

Biden is going to lose. It doesn’t matter.

It could be the greatest economy ever but he’s senile and that’s no good 

Right. The economy will be greatest economy in history ever by February 2025!

It was terrible from 2008 - 2016, amazing from 2017 - 2020, and now terrible again!

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

he’s senile and that’s no good 

He's been senile, it only took Democrat till now to admit it. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Right. The economy will be greatest economy in history ever by February 2025!

It was terrible from 2008 - 2016, amazing from 2017 - 2020, and now terrible again!

Well it actually was pretty terrible from about 2008-2014