Negotiate the Civil War

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

 

The bottom line:  Yes, millions more people now have coverage, but not because of Obamacare’s “reforms.”  The net reduction in the uninsured is almost entirely attributable to making non-disabled adults eligible for Medicaid—a program designed as a safety net for the poor and vulnerable.  Virtually all of the newly-insured are getting huge government subsidies to underwrite their increasingly expensive coverage.

Taxpayers also are spending hundreds of billions of dollars to provide premium subsidies to roughly eight million people getting health insurance through the exchanges (some of whom lost more affordable plans they had before the law passed).  The combination of Obamacare mandates and the subsidies are fueling rising costs that now are the central political focus.

Medicaid expansion was part of Obamacare, fockwit

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8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

 

But then he lost an election and has been actively trying to destroy democracy since. So I’d say that is pretty awful too 

It is. 
 

But even here, my sense isn’t that Trump really wants to be a dictator; that’s way too much responsibility for him. What I believe he wants is to win the election and then keep winning as President- if authoritarianism is the means to that end then he doesn’t have a problem with it. 

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Medicaid expansion was part of Obamacare, fockwit

And you are finally catching on why it all sucks. Nice. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

And you are finally catching on why it all sucks. Nice. 

I’m catching on to why 40 million of my fellow Americans have health insurance and don’t end up bankrupt when they get sick, yes.

Unlike you, I happen to consider that a good thing

[seafoam1 2,859]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m catching on to why 40 million of my fellow Americans have health insurance and don’t end up bankrupt when they get sick, yes.

Unlike you, I happen to consider that a good thing

1. Health insurance premiums more than doubled in the four years after the law passed. (The Trump administration has taken a number of steps to help get costs under control, but the base costs are still far too high.)
2. Millions of families are losing their insurance because of costs.  They simply can’t afford the expensive health insurance that Obamacare requires.  A dad in Fredericksburg, Virginia, said his health insurance premiums cost $4,000 a month—far more than his mortgage.  He doesn’t get subsidies and isn’t sure he can continue to provide insurance for his family.  
3. Obamacare required health insurance to cover a long list of “essential benefits.”  Insurance companies tried to keep premiums as low as they could despite the new benefit mandates so they instead jacked up deductibles and copays and created ultra-narrow networks.  Some people now have deductibles of $6,000 to $10,000.  “I might as well be uninsured,” one person told us, “because I can’t afford to pay so much before I can get medical care.” 

 

The federal government is out of its element in trying to manage something as complex and personal as health care and coverage.  Obamacare proved that.

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

I’m catching on to why 40 million of my fellow Americans have health insurance and don’t end up bankrupt when they get sick, yes.

Unlike you, I happen to consider that a good thing

LOL, we can't expect MAGAtards to have any facts other than what their alt right masters tell them.

Obamacare bad!

Trump economy the best in the history of the galaxy!

LMFAO

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7 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Huh.  You don't have healthcare?

And anyone who uses healthcare is a weakling according to you.

For real?

I have to have healthcare. I wouldn't if it wasn't mandated by the state. I don't need it. 

 

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Just now, 5-Points said:

I have to have healthcare. I wouldn't if it wasn't mandated by the state. I don't need it. 

 

But those who use healthcare are weaklings right?

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

I have to have healthcare. I wouldn't if it wasn't mandated by the state. I don't need it. 

 

Don’t need it? Never gonna get sick or hurt, right up until the day you die?

I guess it’s technically possible, if you get hit by a bus while you’re still relatively young and die instantaneously. But personally, that wouldn’t be my plan

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3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I have to have healthcare. I wouldn't if it wasn't mandated by the state. I don't need it. 

 

The ignorance is astounding.

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You guys do know its Sunday right?  

Lol.  

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16 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Costs of a Government Shutdown.

CBO estimates that the partial shutdown delayed $18 billion in federal spending and suspended some federal services, thus lowering the projected level of real GDP in the first quarter of 2019 by $8 billion (in 2019 dollars), or 0.2 percent.

 

Unfortunately, it only delayed the spending.

Also, lowering "projected" levels of GDP doesn't really say much. 

My point is, anything that prevents the government from wasting money is a good thing in my opinion. If it takes a shutdown to do it, I'm good with that. 

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Don’t need it? Never gonna get sick or hurt, right up until the day you die?

I guess it’s technically possible, if you get hit by a bus while you’re still relatively young and die instantaneously. But personally, that wouldn’t be my plan

I get sick from time to time. I just don't go to the Dr because I don't feel well.  

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You guys do know its Sunday right?  

Lol.  

Is it a different day of the week for you?  

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7 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

But those who use healthcare are weaklings right?

Just you, boyo. 

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

I get sick from time to time. I just don't go to the Dr because I don't feel well.  

Yeah no sh1t, bud.

I meant seriously ill or injured. The odds of that never once happening to you are quite small. But hey, maybe you’ll die in a plane crash or something

[The Psychic Observer 498]

5 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

I get sick from time to time. I just don't go to the Dr because I don't feel well.  

If you have an accident, break a leg, appendicitis, etc and you don't have insurance you're screwed.

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Health insurance with a giant deductible for those that have to actually pay for it. Awesome. 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Health insurance with a giant deductible for those that have to actually pay for it. Awesome. 

Better than bankruptcy.

I would also like something for nothing, but that’s just not the way the world works buddy  

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

Better than bankruptcy.

I would also like something for nothing, but that’s just not the way the world works buddy  

It is for some. Most. Sucks for the ones that have to pay for it. 

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If ACA is so terrible why is it popular and GOP stopped talking about it?

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Single payer healthcare would have been a better option than the ACA. Only Bernie wanted it though.

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Trump the master negotiator is such a joke

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Single payer healthcare would have been a better option than the ACA. Only Bernie wanted it though.

This shows how impressive it was to get anything done.

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19 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah no sh1t, bud.

I meant seriously ill or injured. The odds of that never once happening to you are quite small. But hey, maybe you’ll die in a plane crash or something

 

16 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

If you have an accident, break a leg, appendicitis, etc and you don't have insurance you're screwed.

I'll just say my name is Cinco-Puntos and you guys can pay for it. 

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58 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Is it a different day of the week for you?  

Was my holier than thou post.  

You guys are relentless.  Mindless.  

Enjoy!

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Quote

 

Over the weekend, former President Donald Trump, the current front-runner in the GOP race and a Northerner who now resides in the Southern state of Florida, said he can’t understand why the Civil War wasn’t negotiated rather than fought. He either forgot or does not know that the issue of slavery was the subject of multiple compromises in the decades leading up to the Civil War.

Plus, he argued that Lincoln, the father of the Republican Party, is only known today because of the war.

“If he negotiated it, you probably wouldn’t even know who Abraham Lincoln was,” Trump said, robbing the first Republican president of credit for the most important presidential act in US history: Emancipating the enslaved.

 

I didn't know it got worse!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,124]

Once again, he wrote  THE book on making deals. So suck it. All Biden ever did was keep black kids out of his kids school. 

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He wrote the book!!1! 
 

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29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Once again, he wrote  THE book on making deals. So suck it. All Biden ever did was keep black kids out of his kids school. 

Yeah, that book was ghost-written, famously with very little input from Trump.  

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3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah, that book was ghost-written, famously with very little input from Trump.  

Best seller Hater.  He also founded a university. Biden was found guilty of plagiarism at one. 

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Best seller Hater.  He also founded a university. Biden was found guilty of plagiarism at one. 

You are bragging about his University. Holy crap, that's like running out of the back of the end-zone. 

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Just now, Mike Honcho said:

You are bragging about his University. Holy crap, that's like running out of the back of the end-zone. 

Steaks and Vodka too! And board games! Biden poops his pants. 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Best seller Hater.  He also founded a university. Biden was found guilty of plagiarism at one. 

this is good shtick 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,124]

Donald Trump hit .427 on the varsity baseball team at military school while Joe Biden was dodging the draft. 

[thegeneral 3,065]

3 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Does he think if he becomes King of the Cucks Trump will toss him a used snot rag or something?

He’d use it for his jerk rag

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Donald Trump hit .427 on the varsity baseball team at military school while Joe Biden was dodging the draft. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,124]

Have you all forgotten Donald Trumps line of argyle socks, manufactured In Scotland? Jill Biden puts Joes socks on for him. 

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6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Have you all forgotten Donald Trumps line of argyle socks, manufactured In Scotland? Jill Biden puts Joes socks on for him. 

Those things def cause some sort of rash. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,124]

Did you know that the Trump Shuttle Airline flew Nelson Mandela on his eight city tour of the United States in 1990 after Joe Biden got him out of prison in South Africa?