Elon Musk, Mark Cuban Debate DEI: ‘When Should We Expect To See A Short White/Asian Woman On The Mavs?’

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Billionaires Elon Musk and Mark Cuban got into a social media spat this week over the controversial race-based hiring practice adopted by numerous companies and institutions known as diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI).

The argument began Wednesday when Cuban, the former owner of the Dallas Mavericks, took exception to Musk’s definition of DEI after the X owner said, “DEI is just another word for racism,” adding that it discriminates “on the basis of race,” which “is literally the definition of racism.”

Cuban responded to Musk’s comment in a lengthy post on X, attempting to defend DEI in hiring practices. In his post, Cuban argued that diversity, equity, and inclusion are all good goals for companies to pursue, writing, “Having a workforce that is diverse and representative of your stakeholders is good for business.” He added, “Equity is a core principle of business. Put your employees in a position to succeed.” Cuban then gave his defense for companies focusing on equity.

“Great companies create environments that reduce unnecessary stress of their employees (I’m not talking hitting quota or getting the product out the door stress), which in turn increases productivity. This is what inclusion is all about,” Cuban wrote. “Making all employees, no matter who they are or how they see themselves, feel comfortable in their environment and able to do their jobs.”

Musk replied to Cuban’s post on Thursday, writing, “Cool, so when should we expect to see a short white/Asian women on the Mavs?”

 

  Musk 2024!!

I never thought Cuban would turn into such a woke squid. 

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[The Real timschochet 6,769]

Musk’s comment is stupid, as Cuban correctly pointed out. Conservatives keep insisting that there is an “either-or” between diversity and ability but the reality is that this doesn’t exist. Diversity is not chosen at the expense of ability but as an enhancement to ability. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Musk’s comment is stupid, as Cuban correctly pointed out. Conservatives keep insisting that there is an “either-or” between diversity and ability but the reality is that this doesn’t exist. Diversity is not chosen at the expense of ability but as an enhancement to ability. 

That’s a nice word salad to just say it means not the white candidates. There has never been anybody hired that was white that claimed. Oh yeah, I got it because of the diversity they are trying to include.

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Just now, cyclone24 said:

That’s a nice word salad to just say it means not the white candidates. There has never been anybody hired that was white that claimed. Oh yeah, I got it because of the diversity they are trying to include.

Of course not. But that’s because white privilege already exists and is dominant. 

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4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

There has never been anybody hired that was white that claimed. Oh yeah, I got it because of the diversity they are trying to include.

Ever stop and figure out why?

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Just now, The Psychic Observer said:

Ever stop and figure out why?

Because white people tend to get higher education‘s? Usually have better job stability? Therefore, usually better resumes? 
 

You guys have come a long ways from a pretty famous speech about not judging someone by their skin color. Now it’s literally all you judge people by.

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4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Of course not. But that’s because white privilege already exists and is dominant. 

You must perform self flagellation like a good Opus Dei member?

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Just now, cyclone24 said:

Because white people tend to get higher education‘s? Usually have better job stability? Therefore, usually better resumes? 
 

You guys have come a long ways from a pretty famous speech about not judging someone by their skin color. Now it’s literally all you judge people by.

WRONG

It's because white males have long dominated the corporate world and have gotten special treatment from other white males for decades.

Anyone who believes in DEI also believes in not judging someone by the color of their skin.  DEI is not about judging whites for being white, it's about NOT judging POC and giving them the same opportunity as white men.

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1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

WRONG

It's because white males have long dominated the corporate world and have gotten special treatment from other white males for decades.

Anyone who believes in DEI also believes in not judging someone by the color of their skin.  DEI is not about judging whites for being white, it's about NOT judging POC and giving them the same opportunity as white men.

Actually, that factually is true, whether you write it in capitals or not.
 

yes, they have long dominated the corporate world because that’s the education they went and got with degrees and work history. 
 

You have the same opportunity. That doesn’t mean you’re going to have the same outcome. And again it is judging by the color of your skin because you’re proactively purposefully not hiring white people. And somehow that’s still not racism  I guess.

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25 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Musk’s comment is stupid, as Cuban correctly pointed out. Conservatives keep insisting that there is an “either-or” between diversity and ability but the reality is that this doesn’t exist. Diversity is not chosen at the expense of ability but as an enhancement to ability. 

 

Lol....you are kidding, right?  You really believe that activities which blacks tend to succeed at, like sports and entertainment is because of effort and ability.

 But somehow every other area where blacks don't succeed as well at is because of racism, and we must force the results upon them.  Indians dominate the area of heart surgery because of racism.   Chinese women dominate classical music playing because of racism.   

Just maybe, different people of different races excel in different things and it has nothing to do with racism.   A lot of it is cultural.  

As a society, we need all kinds of people to make the world great.  But it does not mean every race and every sex has to contribute to every function equally.   We let people be free to excel and succeed according to their skills and what they love and desire to do.   An unequal outcome is not racist or sexist.

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12 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

WRONG

It's because white males have long dominated the corporate world and have gotten special treatment from other white males for decades.

Anyone who believes in DEI also believes in not judging someone by the color of their skin.  DEI is not about judging whites for being white, it's about NOT judging POC and giving them the same opportunity as white men.

Bull f-ing crap.  DEI trainings is the most racist crap you will ever see.   They do crap like teach white people how to be less white.   They teach everything about white people are evil.  Oppressive, greedy, hateful....that is their definition of being white.  You fockers are stupid as heck. 

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15 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

WRONG

It's because white males have long dominated the corporate world and have gotten special treatment from other white males for decades.

Anyone who believes in DEI also believes in not judging someone by the color of their skin.  DEI is not about judging whites for being white, it's about NOT judging POC and giving them the same opportunity as white men.

If you think there are a obstacles for POC to succeed in this country, it is only because you believe the propaganda the media feeds you 24/7.  Open you focking eyes.  Every focking profession has the doormat out for POC to succeed and it has been that way for decades.  

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The overwhelming number of DEI hires are white women. 

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12 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Bull f-ing crap.  DEI trainings is the most racist crap you will ever see.   They do crap like teach white people how to be less white.   They teach everything about white people are evil.  Oppressive, greedy, hateful....that is their definition of being white.  You fockers are stupid as heck. 

You wanna make up any more crap?

I've taken plenty of DEI training and none of it has ever taught how to be less white or that white people are evil.

Go back to peddling your turd coins.

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Just now, The Psychic Observer said:

 

You wanna make up any more crap?

I've taken plenty of DEI training and none of it has ever taught how to be less white or that white people are evil.

Go back to peddling your turd coins.

 Because you are too stupid to see it.  

They literally have a whole section entitled how to be less white, and they go through dozens of crappy things on what it means to be white and instruct white people to stop doing it!  

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

 Because you are too stupid to see it.  

They literally have a whole section entitled how to be less white, and they go through dozens of crappy things on what it means to be white and instruct white people to stop doing it!  

I have no idea what you're talking about and I assume you're making it up.  You can present evidence to prove me wrong but I know you won't.  And of course all DEI training is different, which I assume everyone would know but wanted to point that out since I believe you're not playing with a full deck here.

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How many decades have universities had race-based scholarship and admissions and not one thing has changed?  Any decently smart black kid has scholarships and grants thrown at them and acceptance into any university they desire.....but they have made very little progress.   Black women have shown some upward mobility, but not so much for the black male.

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46 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Musk’s comment is stupid, as Cuban correctly pointed out. Conservatives keep insisting that there is an “either-or” between diversity and ability but the reality is that this doesn’t exist. Diversity is not chosen at the expense of ability but as an enhancement to ability. 

its cute you believe this

you must hate asians

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4 minutes ago, jonmx said:

How many decades have universities had race-based scholarship and admissions and not one thing has changed?  Any decently smart black kid has scholarships and grants thrown at them and acceptance into any university they desire.....but they have made very little progress.   Black women have shown some upward mobility, but not so much for the black male.

Why do you think that is jon?

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4 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

I have no idea what you're talking about and I assume you're making it up.  You can present evidence to prove me wrong but I know you won't.  And of course all DEI training is different, which I assume everyone would know but wanted to point that out since I believe you're not playing with a full deck here.

You can read about it here.   The Coca-Cola chief lawyer had to resign because he tried to implement racial quotas on outside companies and law firms who Coca-Cola dealt with.  He pushed DEI training which included the training how to be less white. 

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9 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Why do you think that is jon?

Some of it is cultural.  They don't desire to succeed in professions which they see as white.   Based on opportunity, we should have seen a lot more success from blacks.  But still, relatively blacks here do better thsn anywhere else on the planet.  There are more black millionaires in the US than the rest of the countries combined.  As unsuccessful as blacks seem to be here, this is still the country they excel the most in.  

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15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

How many decades have universities had race-based scholarship and admissions and not one thing has changed?  Any decently smart black kid has scholarships and grants thrown at them and acceptance into any university they desire.....but they have made very little progress.   Black women have shown some upward mobility, but not so much for the black male.

I was going to say earlier they have so many advantages getting into school now. But surely it’s white privilege Fault somehow.

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2 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Some of it is cultural.  They don't desire to succeed in professions which they see as white.   Based on opportunity, we should have seen a lot more success from blacks.  But still, relatively blacks here do better thsn anywhere else on the planet.  There are more black millionaires in the US than the rest of the countries combined.  As unsuccessful as blacks seem to be here, this is still the country they excel the most in.  

Spot on. 

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9 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You can read about it here.   The Coca-Cola chief lawyer had to resign because he tried to implement racial quotas on outside companies and law firms who Coca-Cola dealt with.  He pushed DEI training which included the training how to be less white. 

Another slide suggests “try to be less white” with tips including “be less oppressive,” “listen,” “believe” and “break with white solidarity.”

Bad use of language.  I would hope we could agree that being less oppressive and listening are good attributes.  Still poor choice of words saying "Less white", shame on Coca Cola there, but it doesn't impugn all of DEI.

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6 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Some of it is cultural.  They don't desire to succeed in professions which they see as white.   Based on opportunity, we should have seen a lot more success from blacks.  But still, relatively blacks here do better thsn anywhere else on the planet.  There are more black millionaires in the US than the rest of the countries combined.  As unsuccessful as blacks seem to be here, this is still the country they excel the most in.  

So the culture of the black man is desire to fail?

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4 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

So the culture of the black man is desire to fail?

I’ve encountered a few a-hopes IRL that do the whole presumptive “question” thing.  I have enjoyed putting them in their place. They’re always puzzies and know better than to back talk.  

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22 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

its cute you believe this

you must hate asians

I don’t hate anybody. I’m all about the love. 
 

(well, not exactly true. Like you I kind of hate the Raiders- also the Patriots, Ravens, Boston Celtics, USC football, and the Kardashians. But other than that it’s all about love baby!) 

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I hate the Smiths too, 

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5 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

So the culture of the black man is desire to fail?

 

Reading is not your strength.  Thst is a nice strawman.

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10 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Another slide suggests “try to be less white” with tips including “be less oppressive,” “listen,” “believe” and “break with white solidarity.”

Bad use of language.  I would hope we could agree that being less oppressive and listening are good attributes.  Still poor choice of words saying "Less white", shame on Coca Cola there, but it doesn't impugn all of DEI.

 

It is associating evil traits with being white.   The coke thing is an extreme example which makes it very obvious.  But just saying white priviledge or the dozen derivatives of that is highly divisive and racist.  There are millions of whites who are as poor as any blacks and they are not only less priviledged but are denied opportunities to excel because they are white.  All the scholarships and admissions are denied to the poor white folks in favor of blacks.   By far the people who have been dealt the worst hand in our society are poor whites. 

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38 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I was going to say earlier they have so many advantages getting into school now. But surely it’s white privilege Fault somehow.

To piggy back on this idea and what Jon is claiming - statistically most AA men in the areas we tend to focus on (inner cities) get recruited into gangs and tend to get into that BS around Middle School.    Most of these programs you speak of target and look for High Schoolers, so a large portion of the black males are already down the wrong path.   There needs to be more effort in the early stages - go back to phonics and boost reading, programs to identify excellent students, etc..    I agree that there are many opportunities for blacks getting into colleges, but there are reasons besides the usual "they don't desire to succeed in white jobs" b.s. floated around here.   

Also, if you look at dropout rates and success rates for underprivileged kids in colleges it's not great.   I think sometimes we hand out too many of these types of scholarships to kids that won't be ready for the workload when they do get their since their schools maybe weren't on par with other candidates.  

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The best one on the Coke slide is "to be less white is to ...  be less ignorant".     Wtf?  

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I hate the Smiths too, 

now I know youre a terrible human being

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35 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

To piggy back on this idea and what Jon is claiming - statistically most AA men in the areas we tend to focus on (inner cities) get recruited into gangs and tend to get into that BS around Middle School.    Most of these programs you speak of target and look for High Schoolers, so a large portion of the black males are already down the wrong path.   There needs to be more effort in the early stages - go back to phonics and boost reading, programs to identify excellent students, etc..    I agree that there are many opportunities for blacks getting into colleges, but there are reasons besides the usual "they don't desire to succeed in white jobs" b.s. floated around here.   

Also, if you look at dropout rates and success rates for underprivileged kids in colleges it's not great.   I think sometimes we hand out too many of these types of scholarships to kids that won't be ready for the workload when they do get their since their schools maybe weren't on par with other candidates.  

It is not BS at all.  Even when you correct for wealth and environment, black kids growing up in a middle class lifestyle with two-parents and good schools, have a lower success rate.  Middle class suburban blacks are belittled by the black community, just listen to any rap battle.   Black males have very little upward mobility even in a priviledged upbringing.  Black females have much better upward mobility and success, as their blackness is not questioned nearly as much as a black male.

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28 minutes ago, jonmx said:

It is not BS at all.  Even when you correct for wealth and environment, black kids growing up in a middle class lifestyle with two-parents and good schools, have a lower success rate.  Middle class suburban blacks are belittled by the black community, just listen to any rap battle.   Black males have very little upward mobility even in a priviledged upbringing.  Black females have much better upward mobility and success, as their blackness is not questioned nearly as much as a black male.

I'd love to see that study or article.   

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7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I'd love to see that study or article.   

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

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10 minutes ago, jonmx said:

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

Thanks.  Gave me something to read tonight. 

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Musk definitely taking the good ketamine and mushroom cocktail these days.

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49 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Musk definitely taking the good ketamine and mushroom cocktail these days.

is there such a thing as that being bad?