Big year for QBs in the draft

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7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

It was a good trade. Not a brilliant one. There is no way in hell Bears fans would take that trade again if the alternative was drafting CJ Stroud.  Of course, that is hindsight... but he was right up there in consideration for top QB off the board so it's not outlandish.

The Bears obviously did not feel completely confident in any of the QBs available and still had some hopes for Fields... so given the situation, it was a good trade. The problem is, If you don't hit on the right QB now, the rest of the haul from that trade really won't matter at all. 

It was brilliant. And QBs are a crapshoot.  Otherwise Mahomes would have been drafted 10 spots, or whatever, earlier. Brady?

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

1 conference championship in what, 30 years is BEST RUN?

11 playoff appearances, 1 super bowl win an 5 trips to the NFC championship game since 2010.  Now onto their 3rd consecutive franchise QB. Only 6 head coaches since 1992

How many teams would love to have that kind of success and stability?

Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay.....  well run organizations. 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

11 playoff appearances, 1 super bowl win an 5 trips to the NFC championship game since 2010.  Now onto their 3rd consecutive franchise QB. Only 6 head coaches since 1992

How many teams would love to have that kind of success and stability?

Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay.....  well run organizations. 

5 trips, 4 losses.Nobody cares. Rex Grossman won as many conferencw championships a Rodgers.

The Patriots are laugjing at the packers fans  right now.

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15 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You have to excuse Bears fans.  They are deathly afraid of making a decision and picking their guy.  Because they aren't good at it.  So they would rather just take whoevers left.  

Exactly this. They’d rather bust at 8-9 overall and get an extra pick than risk busting at 1. It’s like they think actually drafting a franchise QB isn’t a possibility.

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

5 trips, 4 losses.Nobody cares. Rex Grossman won as many conferencw championships a Rodgers.

you reek of jealousy

if you want to have a separate conversation about their inability to capitalize in big games, coming up just short too often, thats fine. But don't pretend like the Packers are not extremely well run just because the Bears are not 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Exactly this. They’d rather bust at 8-9 overall and get an extra pick than risk busting at 1. It’s like they think actually drafting a franchise QB isn’t a possibility.

What does that even mean? You probably think the Bears lost the #1 trade last year with Carolina. Focking dope.

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

you reek of jealousy

if you want to have a separate conversation about their inability to capitalize in big games, coming up just short too often, thats fine. But don't pretend like the Packers are not extremely well run just because the Bears are not 

Really jealous of going to 1 conference championship and winning it in the last 25 years. Oh wait....

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Green Bay fans always want to turn a thread into MEMEMEMEME thread. This was about the Bears and the first pick.

Talk about pemus envy. Green Bay fans got it bad. 

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34 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Dak took a big step forward this season and Hurts took a huge step back this season. Hurts really regressed, he looked lost as the season went on. 

Hurts' production did regress.  Whether that is on him or the offense as a whole I cannot say.  I do think in the games I watched that his running game seemed to abandon him.  I also believe that Goddard and Brown both missed time and played with injuries.  The point is the Eagles will be patient with him.  Dak occassionally had great stats against lower teir teams.  he struggled, some would say chocked, i would say struggled acgainst better teams.  Dallas will be patient wityh him.  Patience is a virtue.  Over patience or living in denial is obviously not and the line is tough to asertain when money and careers are on thre line.  We fans can opine with little consequence. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

What does that even mean? You probably think the Bears lost the #1 trade last year with Carolina. Focking dope.

It means that if duh Bears ever want to have a better QB than Jay Cutler they’re going to have to take a big swing at the top of the draft. Maybe they end up with Bryce Young but maybe they end up with CJ Stroud instead. 

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If I am the Bears I trade back one or two times, take a QB and trade Fields to a QB needy team like the Steelers, I think he would be a great fit

I also think Fields is better than any QB in the draft, but Chicago messed him up big, but hes still shown A LOT of positive moments to me

 

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What does that even mean? You probably think the Bears lost the #1 trade last year with Carolina. Focking dope.

 

No one thinks the Bears didn't get the better end of that deal with Carolina, based on Bryce Young's play. 

Would you take CJ Stroud or that trade?

and before you say QBs are a crapshoot, let's not gloss over the fact that talent evaluation comes into play. Do you think the Bears would have picked Bryce Young if they were not able to trade back?

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Just now, MDC said:

It means that if duh Bears ever want to have a better QB than Jay Cutler they’re going to have to take a big swing at the top of the draft. Maybe they end up with Bryce Young but maybe they end up with CJ Stroud instead. 

I don't disagree. But I'm all in on them taking Nix at 9. After yhey get more picks from their #1.

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also thread title says "big year for QBs in the draft".   not "what should the bears do with the #1 pick"

 

hth

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

If I am the Bears I trade back one or two times, take a QB and trade Fields to a QB needy team like the Steelers, I think he would be a great fit

I also think Fields is better than any QB in the draft, but Chicago messed him up big, but hes still shown A LOT of positive moments to me

 

I'm with you one this. And I will root for Fields all day long. 

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the last time the first QB that was drafted was the best QB drafted in that class is arguably 2019 with Kyler Murray

prior to that 2015 was Jameis Winson

 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

also thread title says "big year for QBs in the draft".   not "what should the bears do with the #1 pick"

 

hth

Yeah yeah yeah, go packers...

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

the last time the first QB that was drafted was the best QB drafted in that class is arguably 2019 with Kyler Murray

prior to that 2015 was Jameis Winson

 

No one else sees it. 

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15 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

5 trips, 4 losses.Nobody cares. Rex Grossman won as many conferencw championships a Rodgers.

The Patriots are laugjing at the packers fans  right now.

Rodgers has as many as Chicago has in their existence.   Favre too.  

Jokes on the Bears

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

the last time the first QB that was drafted was the best QB drafted in that class is arguably 2019 with Kyler Murray

prior to that 2015 was Jameis Winson

 

stop.  2021

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1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

stop.  2021

I don't think Lawrence has done much to prove hes all that much better than Fields

I also said Arguably, but 2020 comes to mind as something that would be challenged moreso

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah yeah yeah, go packers...

im not a Packers fan, I'm just a realistic football fan. 

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don't think Lawrence has done much to prove hes all that much better than Fields

 

Won some games?  Lol

I have never seen a QB get a pass like Fields has.  I don't even hate the guy.  Seems like a good dude.  But I have never seen anything quite like it.  

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don't think Lawrence has done much to prove hes all that much better than Fields

I also said Arguably, but 2020 comes to mind as something that would be challenged moreso

He has NOT. 

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Won some games?  Lol

I have never seen a QB get a pass like Fields has.  I don't even hate the guy.  Seems like a good dude.  But I have never seen anything quite like it.  

I look at pressure rates, Fields is atop the charts.  I am not a big Fields guy, but I think he has the skills

most QB's unless the elite of the elite, boils down to pass protection.  Flip Fields and Lawrence and I think I am making the same exact argument for Lawrence

 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don't think Lawrence has done much to prove hes all that much better than Fields

 

I think he has.... and i'm not against Fields. I think he has some upside still. He might flourish with a well run organization.  

When a guy gets picked #1 overall and has to suffer through a rookie season with the train wreck that was Urban Meyer and comes out on the other side with a playoff win, I'll take it. 

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4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

im not a Packers fan, I'm just a realistic football fan. 

So losing with more wins is better? I don't see the logic. I thought the NFL was about SB or bust. 

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The Packers, Redskins, and Giants are the only teams to win the SB with three different QB’s. Baltimore or SF can join the club this year. 

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I look at pressure rates, Fields is atop the charts.  I am not a big Fields guy, but I think he has the skills

most QB's unless the elite of the elite, boils down to pass protection.  Flip Fields and Lawrence and I think I am making the same exact argument for Lawrence

 

When the starting MLB for your rival on a defense who gave out career games left and right this year says "we knew if we could cover up his first read, he will turn into a RB"

Thats um telling.  Its year 3.  

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5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I don't think Lawrence has done much to prove hes all that much better than Fields

He’d be 3rd all time in career passing yards for duh Bears already. Right behind Sid Luckman.  

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

I think he has.... and i'm not against Fields. I think he has some upside still. He might flourish with a well run organization.  

When a guy gets picked #1 overall and has to suffer through a rookie season with the train wreck that was Urban Meyer and comes out on the other side with a playoff win, I'll take it. 

I mean at least Urban has a track record of knowing how to coach!

Nagy to Eberflus could ruin any QB

I also thought Lawrence was the most overrated QB to come out in recent history so there is a little to that

even if I give Lawrence to you as my previous statement thats 3 QB's who were drafted 1st overall who are undeniably the best QB's of that draft in the last 12 years

 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

So losing with more wins is better? I don't see the logic. I thought the NFL was about SB or bust. 

Then why are you counting nfc championship?  

Lol.  You make no sense.  

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

When the starting MLB for your rival on a defense who gave out career games left and right this year says "we knew if we could cover up his first read, he will turn into a RB"

Thats um telling.  Its year 3.  

similar path to Lamar, similar talent

 

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1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

even if I give Lawrence to you as my previous statement thats 3 QB's who were drafted 1st overall who are undeniably the best QB's of that draft in the last 12 years

 

Andrew Luck in 2012.

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I think he has.... and i'm not against Fields. I think he has some upside still. He might flourish with a well run organization.  

I was listening to a fantasy football pod a few weeks ago that was speculating on where Fields could go and they floated the idea of Seattle. 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

similar path to Lamar, similar talent

 

Ehhhh....ok.  If you say so.  

Look he can run!  

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2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

When the starting MLB for your rival on a defense who gave out career games left and right this year says "we knew if we could cover up his first read, he will turn into a RB"

Thats um telling.  Its year 3.  

Can't wait to see the packer game this weekend. 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Andrew Luck in 2012.

thats where I stopped, this would be 12 seasons no?  Maybe 11

either way my point remains you have a 25-33% success rate of hitting the top QB

 

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Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Ehhhh....ok.  If you say so.  

Look he can run!  

no....hes black

Fields has a great arm too btw

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

I was listening to a fantasy football pod a few weeks ago that was speculating on where Fields could go and they floated the idea of Seattle. 

I think Seattle, Pitt, Wash, Las Vegas, would all be great spots for him