The U.S. national debt is at $34,135,530,482,291 and rapidly growing

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Which part? How about some links refuting it? 

Classic Tim. 

You don't feel like you need to provide proof of your position, but you expect others to tell you how it WOULDN'T work. 

This is why you're such a joke. You said yourself in another thread last week about how you have NO idea how certain laws work, and you don't bother to research. You just pull these random ideas out of your @$$, link to crappy CNN articles and then tout that there is NO OTHER WAY!  

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no it wouldn't you guys b1tch about taxing the rich and all their write offs, a 20% flat tax over 50k annually would generate far more revenue than the current system

cut foreign aid

 

1. It wouldn’t, it would generate far less revenue: 

https://itep.org/the-pitfalls-of-flat-income-taxes/#:~:text=Contrary to the claims of,during times of rising inequality.

3. Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid#:~:text=In actuality%2C less than 1,budget goes towards foreign aid.

 

[Engorgeous George 2,236]

Getting our house in order, if it can even be done at this time, entails Congress submitting a budget well ahead of time, a budget which has natural disaster contingency funds and which pays down .5% of the National debt.  We need a balanced budget responsibly submitted in time to examine its priorities.  We then need a line item veto subject to override by 55% vote of congress.  The line item veto will not be that essential as the submitted budget would already be balanced but given the accounting of the balance will be contentious and with partisan accusations the line item is still necessary.

 

We need waste accounting.  When funds go unaccounted for that should be a felony with the head of the Department culpable.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,286]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. It wouldn’t, it would generate far less revenue: 

https://itep.org/the-pitfalls-of-flat-income-taxes/#:~:text=Contrary to the claims of,during times of rising inequality.

3. Foreign aid is less than 1% of the budget: 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid#:~:text=In actuality%2C less than 1,budget goes towards foreign aid.

 

that does not address my statement that it starts at 50k

1% is 1% ill take it

also cutting foreign aid then takes us out of the other countries that lowers our military spending

[MDC 7,223]

GC: I don’t care about Trump’s WORDS. All I care about are his policies and results!

Also GC: Trump SAID he wanted to eliminate the federal debt!  

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Classic Tim. 

You don't feel like you need to provide proof of your position, but you expect others to tell you how it WOULDN'T work. 

This is why you're such a joke. You said yourself in another thread last week about how you have NO idea how certain laws work, and you don't bother to research. You just pull these random ideas out of your @$$, link to crappy CNN articles and then tout that there is NO OTHER WAY!  

But I keep providing links. Look above. I asked him to prove me wrong because my position on this issue isn’t really all that controversial, or even challenged by economists. You can’t reduce the deficit unless you’re willing to tackle military spending, Social Security, Medicare, or raise taxes. Thats it. There are no alternatives to this. You can try to grow the economy. How to do that is more debatable. I offered my solutions. 

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5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

that does not address my statement that it starts at 50k

1% is 1% ill take it

also cutting foreign aid then takes us out of the other countries that lowers our military spending

Cutting foreign aid creates instability which would actually increase the need for military spending. In addition it would create far more refugees and people swarming our borders even more than we have now. Foreign aid is one of our best investments; it’s literally pennies on the dollar: 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Cutting foreign aid creates instability which would actually increase the need for military spending. In addition it would create far more refugees and people swarming our borders even more than we have now. Foreign aid is one of our best investments; it’s literally pennies on the dollar: 

its spending that we could spend on Americans

how about close the border and save 180 bil annually as well

 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

its spending that we could spend on Americans

how about close the border and save 180 bil annually as well

 

These are isolationist thoughts that have no bearing on reality. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

These are isolationist thoughts that have no bearing on reality. 

yep exactly!! as we should, and how every OTHER COUNTRY is

whens the last time another country funded us?

when have we flooded other countries?

 

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

49 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

when have we flooded other countries?

 

Don't get Tim started on colonialism!  

[Raven Fan 362]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

its spending that we could spend on Americans

how about close the border and save 180 bil annually as well

 

Trump sent most americans a check for a year.  Do you not see the disastrous effect that had on inflation?

There's been plenty of money earmarked for infrastructure, defense, and everything else we need.

We don't need to spend any more money on americans. 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Cutting foreign aid creates instability which would actually increase the need for military spending. In addition it would create far more refugees and people swarming our borders even more than we have now. Foreign aid is one of our best investments; it’s literally pennies on the dollar: 

Instability, like we have now? 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Yeah definitely shouldn’t vote for Trump then. He really blew that focker up 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

7 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

Classic Tim. 

You don't feel like you need to provide proof of your position, but you expect others to tell you how it WOULDN'T work. 

This is why you're such a joke. You said yourself in another thread last week about how you have NO idea how certain laws work, and you don't bother to research. You just pull these random ideas out of your @$$, link to crappy CNN articles and then tout that there is NO OTHER WAY!  

Tim says some crazy stuff sometimes but he’s dead on and the voice of reason with this issue. This is why I say you’re a right wing extremist, because anyone with even an ounce of objectivity would admit that Trump blew the deficit sky high, partly because of COVID but also for his corporate tax cuts.

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Tim says some crazy stuff sometimes but he’s dead on and the voice of reason. This is why I say you’re a right wing extremist, because anyone with even an ounce of objectivity would admit that Trump blew the deficit sky high, partly because of COVID but also for his corporate tax cuts.

But it's not a Trump thread. 

If you liberals all know so much, you've owned the white house 12 of the last 16 years. And I see an open border (300,000 last Decenber alone) and billions and billions being sent to wars in Europe. 

But no accountability. 

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25 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Trump sent most americans a check for a year.  Do you not see the disastrous effect that had on inflation?

There's been plenty of money earmarked for infrastructure, defense, and everything else we need.

We don't need to spend any more money on americans. 

I am not advocating for giving people money, when I say spend the only group I support are disabled veterans

I was against the handing out money during covid too

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,286]

28 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Don't get Tim started on colonialism!  

even if he went with that nonsense, that would have been Euros, not us, so my point would still be valid

 

[seafoam1 2,858]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am not advocating for giving people money, when I say spend the only group I support are disabled veterans

I was against the handing out money during covid too

 

Amen. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Show me a Presidential candidate that supports sound fiscal policy.   Cuts in spending, appropriate taxes (even a flat tax) with a plan to be fiscally responsible and has the ability to bridge both sides of the aisle to make it happen.  I will vote for that person.

Newsflash, it ain't Biden or Trump.

So this whole topic is pointless.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-debt

[Raven Fan 362]

19 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am not advocating for giving people money, when I say spend the only group I support are disabled veterans

I was against the handing out money during covid too

 

Ok that's fine.  But you know there's tons of money to do that now.

We're on the same page I believe boyo. 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

46 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Tim says some crazy stuff sometimes but he’s dead on and the voice of reason. This is why I say you’re a right wing extremist, because anyone with even an ounce of objectivity would admit that Trump blew the deficit sky high, partly because of COVID but also for his corporate tax cuts.

Actually I’m not blaming Trump for the deficit. He ignored it and increased it, but that’s no different from every other President in living memory. But I’m not giving him credit for trying to reduce it either, which some have done here. Thats laughable. And I’m certainly not going to entertain the argument that somehow Republicans are more responsible on this issue than Democrats because that’s absurd. Neither party has shown any fiscal responsibility whatsoever and that’s because they will lose elections if they do and they know it. 
 

We’re going to have to live with this problem. It’s so large that at this point it’s basically unfixable because the American people will never accept the cost involved. So we had better hope our economy keeps growing because that’s all we have. 

[seafoam1 2,858]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually I’m not blaming Trump for the deficit. He ignored it and increased it, but that’s no different from every other President in living memory. But I’m not giving him credit for trying to reduce it either, which some have done here. Thats laughable. And I’m certainly not going to entertain the argument that somehow Republicans are more responsible on this issue than Democrats because that’s absurd. Neither party has shown any fiscal responsibility whatsoever and that’s because they will lose elections if they do and they know it. 
 

We’re going to have to live with this problem. It’s so large that at this point it’s basically unfixable because the American people will never accept the cost involved. So we had better hope our economy keeps growing because that’s all we have. 

You are either a liar, or dumb as shlt. I'm betting on the latter. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually I’m not blaming Trump for the deficit. He ignored it and increased it, but that’s no different from every other President in living memory. But I’m not giving him credit for trying to reduce it either, which some have done here. Thats laughable. And I’m certainly not going to entertain the argument that somehow Republicans are more responsible on this issue than Democrats because that’s absurd. Neither party has shown any fiscal responsibility whatsoever and that’s because they will lose elections if they do and they know it. 
 

We’re going to have to live with this problem. It’s so large that at this point it’s basically unfixable because the American people will never accept the cost involved. So we had better hope our economy keeps growing because that’s all we have. 

I’m not blaming him either. The COVID stuff was necessary. The tax cuts for corporations were on him but that is what republicans do and everyone knew that when they voted for him.

So I don’t blame him, but I do find any suggestion that he’s going to do something about the issue to be patently absurd. That’s all

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You are either a liar, or dumb as shlt. I'm betting on the latter. 

The grownups in here are trying to have a serious conversation. Go back to the kids table. 

[seafoam1 2,858]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The grownups in here are trying to have a serious conversation. Go back to the kids table. 

Sure, "grown ups" express themselves by posting repeatedly overused mindless sayings to make themselves feel better when they have been exposed as stupid uneducated hacks.

Glad I didn't spend Thanksgivings with your retarded family.

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

In every year following 2018 when the Trump tax cuts took effect, the U.S. brought in record revenue, every single year. This is a fact and easily verified.
 

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Tim says some crazy stuff sometimes but he’s dead on and the voice of reason. This is why I say you’re a right wing extremist, because anyone with even an ounce of objectivity would admit that Trump blew the deficit sky high, partly because of COVID but also for his corporate tax cuts.

I just laugh at the fact that you think I am an "extremist." 

But that's okay, I don't really care what you think Worms. I think you're a left wing misogynistic pig.  

[Raven Fan 362]

13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I just laugh at the fact that you think I am an "extremist." 

But that's okay, I don't really care what you think Worms. I think you're a left wing misogynistic pig.  

Lol, and you’re voting for Trump.

The hypocrisy is off the charts girlio.  Or do you agree with cheating on your pregnant wife with a porn star, calling women ugly and fat, and saying he could grab you and you’d let him is somehow not misogynistic?

Cultist…SMH

[seafoam1 2,858]

1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

Lol, and you’re voting for Trump.

 

Liberal cultist at work...

This guy is guided by hate.

[Raven Fan 362]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Liberal cultist at work...

This guy is guided by hate.

Facts boyo not feelz.  Try to get that through your orange infused cult brain.

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

15 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Lol, and you’re voting for Trump.

The hypocrisy is off the charts girlio.  Or do you agree with cheating on your pregnant wife with a porn star, calling women ugly and fat, and saying he could grab you and you’d let him is somehow not misogynistic?

Cultist…SMH

I am not a hypocrite. 

I've said FOREVER that I will vote for Trump again (or whomever ends up on the Republican ticket). I have never been a hypocrite on what my voting is and I've said a BAZILLION times that I am a one issue voter. 

I live in a blue state, and will mostly vote red, against increases in taxes. But there are some things that will increase taxes that I will vote yes on. I read my little pamphlets and booklets on the different issues we vote on locally, down to our City Council level.  I don't vote on the character of a person, this is also well known. All politicians are sociopaths. They all lie, they are all terrible people. I don't vote how I FEEL. 

I've always been incredibly open and honest with how I vote. 

I voted for Obama's second term, so it's not completely off the table to vote blue for me. 

Worms is a misogynist because of his posting history and what he posts about women.

[MDC 7,223]

43 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

In every year following 2018 when the Trump tax cuts took effect, the U.S. brought in record revenue, every single year. This is a fact and easily verified.
 

He also added $8T to the federal debt in one term.  

[Raven Fan 362]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I am not a hypocrite. 

I've said FOREVER that I will vote for Trump again (or whomever ends up on the Republican ticket). I have never been a hypocrite on what my voting is and I've said a BAZILLION times that I am a one issue voter. 

I live in a blue state, and will mostly vote red, against increases in taxes. But there are some things that will increase taxes that I will vote yes on. I read my little pamphlets and booklets on the different issues we vote on locally, down to our City Council level.  I don't vote on the character of a person, this is also well known. All politicians are sociopaths. They all lie, they are all terrible people. I don't vote how I FEEL. 

I've always been incredibly open and honest with how I vote. 

I voted for Obama's second term, so it's not completely off the table to vote blue for me. 

Worms is a misogynist because of his posting history and what he posts about women.

Ok I get that.  But you use that term like it's a pretty important to you.  You dislike misogynist very bigly is how I take your post.

I just find it interesting that most of your views seem to be conservative and you've admitted you'll vote for Trump again and he's one of the most famous misogynist in the entire country.  That is beyond debate, he clearly thinks very little of women and uses them only for his own gain or pleasure.

That's all girlio, not looking to get into a fight with you, you can vote for whomever you want obviously.  But it'd be like me saying I despise old, dementia patients and then going ahead and voting for Biden.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

49 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

In every year following 2018 when the Trump tax cuts took effect, the U.S. brought in record revenue, every single year. This is a fact and easily verified.
 

What would the revenue have been if those cuts didn't happen?  Probably record every year as well, likely by more.

[TheNewGirl 1,422]

2 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

Ok I get that.  But you use that term like it's a pretty important to you.  You dislike misogynist very bigly is how I take your post.

I just find it interesting that most of your views seem to be conservative and you've admitted you'll vote for Trump again and he's one of the most famous misogynist in the entire country.  That is beyond debate, he clearly thinks very little of women and uses them only for his own gain or pleasure.

That's all girlio, not looking to get into a fight with you, you can vote for whomever you want obviously.  But it'd be like me saying I despise old, dementia patients and then going ahead and voting for Biden.

Most men are misogynists, IMO. It's not a big deal to me, I am not a feminazi. I think one of the biggest changes in our country (and not necessarily the best) was women being added to the work force after WW 2. Family relationships changed drastically having two parents working, children's lives changed, etc. I am more a fan of somewhat traditional roles, but I am also pretty independent for a woman - I'd prefer to learn to do things myself than rely on a man.  

Most men only use women for pleasure, for a nurse, or a purse. But, I also love men. I have been happily married for almost 25 years - I'd never get married again though. LOL 

And I do agree that Biden is an old dementia patient. That's not why I am not voting for him though, although it is a pretty good reason.

[Raven Fan 362]

54 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

In every year following 2018 when the Trump tax cuts took effect, the U.S. brought in record revenue, every single year. This is a fact and easily verified.
 

Uh boyo, every year there are record tax receipts, except when Trump destroyed the economy in 2020.

FISCAL YEAR	REVENUE
FY 2021	$4.05 trillion
FY 2020	$3.42 trillion
FY 2019	$3.46 trillion
FY 2018	$3.33 trillion
FY 2017	$3.32 trillion
FY 2016	$3.27 trillion
FY 2015	$3.25 trillion
FY 2014	$3.02 trillion
FY 2013	$2.78 trillion
FY 2012	$2.45 trillion

 

And here's the debt by year.  Note that Trump was adding a ton to the debt even before covid.

2013	$16,738	Sequester; government shutdown
2014	$17,824	QE ended; debt ceiling crisis
2015	$18,151	Oil prices fell
2016	$19,573	Brexit
2017	$20,245	Congress raised the debt ceiling
2018	$21,516	Trump tax cuts
2019	$22,719	Trade wars
2020	$26,945	COVID-19 and recession

 

[Dizkneelande 1,093]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

He also added $8T to the federal debt in one term.  

 Biden has passed that and he still has a year to go.

[Raven Fan 362]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Most men are misogynists, IMO. It's not a big deal to me, I am not a feminazi. I think one of the biggest changes in our country (and not necessarily the best) was women being added to the work force after WW 2. Family relationships changed drastically having two parents working, children's lives changed, etc. I am more a fan of somewhat traditional roles, but I am also pretty independent for a woman - I'd prefer to learn to do things myself than rely on a man.  

Most men only use women for pleasure, for a nurse, or a purse. But, I also love men. I have been happily married for almost 25 years - I'd never get married again though. LOL 

And I do agree that Biden is an old dementia patient. That's not why I am not voting for him though, although it is a pretty good reason.

If you think most men are misogynists you've been spending too much time on this forum.

Have a good week girlio.