Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

the delegates selecting Kamala prior to the convention is a dictatorship! 

You going to just go full retard on us?  How many registered Democrats voted for Kamala during the nomination process?  She was SOUNDLY rejected last election cycle.

You need to do better than "I'm okay with not having a vote so everyone else will also be okay with it".  That's NOT an answer.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

People’s rights weren’t taken away.

They absolutely were taken away.  Tell me how many Democrats voted for Kamala during the candidate primaries?

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t give a sh!t. Our rights as citizens should come first. We decide who represents us. Why are you so willing to give up your rights and what use to make our country so great?  

Nobody's rights were taken away. There are rules and they were followed. If you don't like those rules, become a party member, work your way up and argue that at the next convention that if a candidate drops out, the entire process stars over. But otherwise, it's moot. 

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You going to just go full retard on us?  How many registered Democrats voted for Kamala during the nomination process?  She was SOUNDLY rejected last election cycle.

You need to do better than "I'm okay with not having a vote so everyone else will also be okay with it".  That's NOT an answer.

As if you give 2 cents who the Dems nominated. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

My rights weren’t taken away.

Just because you're happy bending over and taking it in the #ss and following orders doesn't mean everyone else on your side is also okay with it.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why would we delay the election due to the ineptness of one party out of how many, 5 or so?   There are plenty of choices.  Honestly, we shouldn't allow parties to have any say in the election.  I've never understood why the state pays for primary elections for some parties but not others and has rules that give some parties advantages over others, etc.....Parties shouldn't technically exist within our government.  If private entities want to consider themselves parties, great.  But for office?   Anyone should be eligible based on certain criteria, such as a petition of a certain percentage of constituents, just to limit the number of candidates to a reasonable number.  But organized entities (parties) shouldn't have anything to do with our elections.

It’s far too late. We’ve let our country be controlled by two parties. For the majority those are the only options in their mind.

I’m just frustrated how stupid it’s all become. I hate our government system and I don’t use the word hate lightly. 

[thegeneral 2,908]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The process is to allow someone to be the presidential candidate without anyone ever voting for them? Fock that. Go to another country where it’s all decided for you then. 

This is an unusual case. There is a process in place however. It does not involve redoing the nomination vote or delaying the election (that one is pretty funny TBH, sorry).

Quickly googled this for you but I think it will answer your questions on why and how this occurred: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/what-happens-biden-steps-down-2024/

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

As if you give 2 cents who the Dems nominated. 

I don't, but that's not the point now, is it?  You're the guys talking about 1/6 and "protecting Democracy" so maybe at some point you should actually do it.

[thegeneral 2,908]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Just because you're happy bending over and taking it in the #ss and following orders doesn't mean everyone else on your side is also okay with it.

I wouldn’t say I am happy with how this played out. But not really unhappy either.

Kamala did seem to be the best choice for a variety of reasons after Biden stepped down. Thus far she has exceeded my expectations. 

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I don't, but that's not the point now, is it?  You're the guys talking about 1/6 and "protecting Democracy" so maybe at some point you should actually do it.

By following the party rules that are already written down to cover situations like this...yeah, we got this. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

Just now, thegeneral said:

I wouldn’t say I am happy with how this played out. But not really unhappy either.

Kamala did seem to be the best choice for a variety of reasons after Biden stepped down. Thus far she has exceeded my expectations. 

Huh?  Kamala was THE ONLY CHOICE.  That's exactly what @Hawkeye21 , me and everyone else has been saying this entire time. 

Your side SOUNDLY rejected her last election cycle.  Not even close to sniffing the Presidency but now suddenly she's "the best choice"?  You're joking ,right?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

By following the party rules that are already written down to cover situations like this...yeah, we got this. 

So the party rules are to take away the vote from the people?  Nah, those aren't the rules.  Well, the rules of dictators maybe.

[thegeneral 2,908]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

They absolutely were taken away.  Tell me how many Democrats voted for Kamala during the candidate primaries?

The delegates picked her after Biden stepped down. The endorsement of Biden, along with everyone in the party in Congress, Governorships, the State party delegate leaders, etc made it pretty clear this was the candidate that would get the nod at the Convention.

[thegeneral 2,908]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Huh?  Kamala was THE ONLY CHOICE.  That's exactly what @Hawkeye21 , me and everyone else has been saying this entire time. 

Your side SOUNDLY rejected her last election cycle.  Not even close to sniffing the Presidency but now suddenly she's "the best choice"?  You're joking ,right?

It was made clear if they went to the convention that Kamala would get all the delegates. They just did it in advance. 

What don’t you get about this?

[thegeneral 2,908]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So the party rules are to take away the vote from the people?  Nah, those aren't the rules.  Well, the rules of dictators maybe.

People voted for Biden in the primaries. He then stepped down. This is how the nom is picked after that. 

[HellToupee 1,586]

46 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’m guessing Maine or North Dakota is honkeyville, USA.

I’ve never been to ND but spent a fair amount of time in Maine

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So the party rules are to take away the vote from the people?  Nah, those aren't the rules.  Well, the rules of dictators maybe.

Maybe you should read the rules and how primaries and delegates work before you keep talking, you are not coming off well at all. 

And again, we know you don't care any of that because you are supporting a someone who tried to keep power by ignoring the votes of the people  

[jerryskids 6,564]

10 minutes ago, Fnord said:

As one of the few semi-rational righties remaining here, I appreciate you, Jerry. So I'll be honest about my "excitement."

I never liked Biden and publicly said after the debate I would not vote for him. I would have greatly preferred an open convention, but since the DNC are cowardly idiots, they decided not to go that route. It sounds as though there were legalities involved with the money and the delegates, so perhaps it was necessary that it transpire this way, I dunno.

I wouldn't vote for Kamala normally. But she's fairly bright, getting more well spoken, and the all important caveat: she stands against Trump. Also, I voted for Walz already and would again. I think his "progressive" bona fides are overblown in that he never had that label until Dems won everything in MN and decided to go on a liberal policy spree. What's the governor going to do when that happens, tell his party to stop? While actively working to raise his national profile? Please. Prior to that he was great at reaching across the aisle. He won a solid red district as a blue dog Democrat, and his cohorts spoke fondly of him. He's an affable guys guy that most MAGA, politics aside, would enjoy having a beer with.

And again, NOT TRUMP.

I appreciate the response.  Regarding Harris, we shall see how well-spoken she has become in the debates (especially if she agrees to multiple).  Reading other people's words off a teleprompter is nice, but insufficient.

I also appreciate the honesty that it is basically a "NOT TRUMP" vote.

Walz said in the past week that he is a socialist.  Here is an interesting article, an op ed from USA Today of all places.

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Harris and Walz champion the Californication of America. Voters should say no way, San Jose.

There are good reasons why Americans are leaving states like Minnesota and California, which rank in the bottom 10 of states for net migration.

Ingrid Jacques

USA TODAY

 

If you read only the headlines, you’d probably think the best words that describe Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz are “folksy” and “Midwestern nice.” 

I beg to differ. 

Walz was named as Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris’ running mate Tuesday. Democrats seem thrilled that he looks like someone who’d be at home on a tractor, and that this will somehow persuade voters in the middle of the country to flock to the Democratic ticket come November.

In reality, Walz is just Bernie Sanders (the democratic socialist senator from Vermont) in Carhartt. 

Walz is very open about his views, and as governor he has put them into action. 

He summed up his philosophy on last week’s “White Dudes for Harris” fundraiser call: “Don’t ever shy away from our progressive values. One person’s socialism is another person’s neighborliness.” 

It’s extremely telling to look at who is most excited about Harris’ choice. They include far-left “Squad” members Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota and Rep. Jamaal Bowman of New York. Sanders is also a fan.

Perhaps it’s not a great sign for Walz that Bowman and one other Squad member, Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri, have lost their primaries this year, in part because of their anti-Israel views. 

Rewriting Harris' history:To prove fealty to Kamala Harris, the media gaslights voters by rewriting her past

We already know that Harris hails from the progressive bastion of California and that as a U.S. senator racked up a reputation as the most liberal member. 

Let’s take a look at what Walz has done. 

Minnesota has become Midwest's California, thanks to Walz

Walz is in his second term as governor, but when he was reelected in 2022, the state government turned solidly blue, opening the door to bring the Democrat's liberal wish list into fruition. 

And boy, has he. 

Progressive economics don't add up:High wages, 32-hour workweeks sound great, but there's a steep price

Abortion rights: Under Walz, Minnesota has become about as pro-abortion as you can get through legislation. Abortion is allowed on demand at any stage of pregnancy. Walz even overturned a former “born alive” provision that offered some protections for babies who survived an abortion, as well as required documentation of these instances. In 2021, for example, the state reported five cases of infants who were still alive after an abortion. (None of them survived).  

Government knows best: Like many Democrats, Walz seems comfortable with the government taking over from parents when they make the “wrong” decisions. Last year, he signed a “trans refuge" bill that offers legal protection to children who come to Minnesota for so-called gender-affirming care like puberty blockers or surgery. Seeking this kind of care may also be used as a factor in child-custody decisions.

Not to be outdone, California Gov. Gavin Newsom last month signed the nation's first-of-its-kind law banning school districts from requiring staff to let parents know if their children have changed their gender identity or sexual orientation. 

Free meals for all: Last year, Walz signed a bill that offers all K-12 students in the state free breakfast and lunch on school days. No surprise, the program is already costing millions more than anticipated. These kinds of programs that offer “free” stuff to everyone, regardless of need, are some of the most wasteful ideas that come from Democrats. Save welfare for those who need it most. 

Tax hikes for Minnesotans: To pay for his socialist (sorry, “neighborly”) policies, Walz has bucked the trend of many other governors and raised taxes. According to the Tax Foundation, this has led to “lackluster” economic performance in Minnesota. 

“Gov. Walz’s tax policy record is notable because of how much it contrasts with broader national trends,” said Jared Walczak, the Tax Foundation’s vice president of state projects at the Tax Foundation, in a statement. “In recent years, most governors have championed tax cuts. Walz, rare among his peers, chose tax increases.”

Let's not pretend Walz is Mr. Nice Guy

At Harris and Walz’s first rally together Tuesday in Philadelphia, Walz showed his true colors with a crude dig at his vice presidential rival Ohio Sen. JD Vance. 

Walz said he’d debate Vance "if he's willing to get off the couch and show up."

(Both Walz and Harris had a good laugh at this.)

 

Walz was referencing a completely made up viral social media post that had claimed Vance told an untoward story about himself and a couch in his memoir, “Hillbilly Elegy.” Vance didn’t ever write this or do this, and Walz’s “joke” says a lot about him. 

This is an election that voters keep saying is about the economy, illegal immigration and crime. And these are all issues that Democrats tend to score badly on. Americans are leaving states like Minnesota and California, which rank in the bottom 10 of states for net migration, for good reasons.

What’s most important to consider are the respective records of Harris and Walz – and the visions they have for our country.

I don't want America to look more like California ‒ or Minnesota. 

Ingrid Jacques is a columnist at USA TODAY. Contact her at ijacques@usatoday.com or on X, formerly Twitter: @Ingrid_Jacques.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/08/08/harris-walz-progressive-policies-minnesota-welfare-tax-hike/74702898007/

I thought the comment about migration was interesting.  Minnesota has the 10th worst absolute migration, and 12th worst percentage, with -6.55% from 2020 to 2022

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_net_migration

Like the author, I don't want America to look like either California or Minnesota.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It was made clear if they went to the convention that Kamala would get all the delegates. They just did it in advance. 

What don’t you get about this?

YOU didn't vote for her.  No one did.

What are you not understanding?  She didn't go thru the process of the nomination. 

[thegeneral 2,908]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

YOU didn't vote for her.  No one did.

What are you not understanding?  She didn't go thru the process of the nomination. 

This is the nomination process in this unusual situation. I assume it’s the same for the Republicans. The delegates select the Nom.

[thegeneral 2,908]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

I’ve never been to ND but spent a fair amount of time in Maine

ND is one of the few states I have never been to. Love Maine!

Im guessing they are both whitesville

[jerryskids 6,564]

5 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

I can’t argue that the goal of her campaign is to key in on the feel good nature of her as opposed to Trump. And it’s clearly working so far. I think if it comes down to policy that Trump wins. But by keeping her from taking direct questions it keeps the narrative off of policy and more on the feeling. I don’t think it’s wise to pick a President that way, but people don’t always vote for the same reasons.

I also feel she’s very much a liberal. She wasn’t lying about her stances on policy in the past. Like Trump she picked someone in line with her views by selecting Walz. They are far from what I want in charge of the country but I admit they may well win as it stands today.
 

From my stance it’s fortunate the Senate map is what it is. Having Kari Lake on the ballot yet again in AZ is a problem though for both the Senate and for President. Talk about someone people don’t like, Trump runs nearly 10 points ahead of her in some polling I’ve seen. Most times the coattails run down ticket. But she seems so unpopular in AZ she might drive more people to the polls just to vote against her. She has all of the Trump minuses without the record, showmanship, humor, and quips 

The Republican party in AZ has gone full ratard.  For governor, we had a true conservative candidate who would have mopped the floor with Katie Hobbs, in Karrin Taylor Robson.  Instead we went with Lake, who lost to a person as exciting as watching grass grow.

Now we've doubled down for the open Senate seat, again sending Lake out there instead of Mark Lamb (whom I voted for in the recent primary).  Lake will get destroyed by Ruben Gallego, who is way more progressive than Sinema was.  Way to win, AZ GOP!   

 

[squistion 1,949]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

ND is one of the few states I have never been to. Love Maine!

Im guessing they are both whitesville

North Dakota is:

81.7% White,

3.4% Black,

1.7% Asian,

4.3% Hispanic,

5.1% Native American/Other,

3.9% Multiracial.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is the nomination process in this unusual situation. I assume it’s the same for the Republicans. The delegates select the Nom.

The delegates select the nom based upon how the people voted for them during the primary. 

Are you telling me had Biden dropped early and multiple Democrats could have run for POTUS then YOU, yourself, would have pulled the lever for Kamala?

[thegeneral 2,908]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

North Dakota is:

81.7% White,

3.4% Black,

1.7% Asian,

4.3% Hispanic,

5.1% Native American/Other,

3.9% Multiracial.

Well they have less than half the corporate tax rate of Minnesota, more honkeys, and a shitload of energy yet are ranked way below Minn. 

Weird!

This Walz guy is some type of super business genius!!

[BrahmaBulls 628]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are democrats seriously ok with Kamala automatically being the candidate?  That bothers the crap out of me.  No one voted for her to be in this position but they seem eager to vote for her as President.  I don't care if you hate Trump, this is just wrong.

They don't care about democracy.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

14 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

This is the nomination process in this unusual situation. I assume it’s the same for the Republicans. The delegates select the Nom.

Let's skip the election and let the delegates vote how they want in the electoral college.  

[thegeneral 2,908]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The delegates select the nom based upon how the people voted for them during the primary. 

Are you telling me had Biden dropped early and multiple Democrats could have run for POTUS then YOU, yourself, would have pulled the lever for Kamala?

Look you are figuring it out!

Not sure who I would have voted for. She would have been given the pole position if Biden would have dropped out in a more normal fashion. 

In any case that did not happen so here we are following the processes in place. 

[BrahmaBulls 628]

32 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You going to just go full retard on us?  How many registered Democrats voted for Kamala during the nomination process?  She was SOUNDLY rejected last election cycle.

You need to do better than "I'm okay with not having a vote so everyone else will also be okay with it".  That's NOT an answer.

He's been a retard for at least a decade.  It's not new to him.

[BrahmaBulls 628]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Look you are figuring it out!

Not sure who I would have voted for. She would have been given the pole position if Biden would have dropped out in a more normal fashion. 

In any case that did not happen so here we are following the processes in place. 

She has a history of that

[thegeneral 2,908]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

Let's skip the election and let the delegates vote how they want in the electoral college.  

You’d probably need to run that by some people.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Look you are figuring it out!

Not sure who I would have voted for. She would have been given the pole position if Biden would have dropped out in a more normal fashion. 

In any case that did not happen so here we are following the processes in place. 

So, you are taking it in the pooper. 

[thegeneral 2,908]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, you are taking it in the pooper. 

Not really. In fact it seems to be working out nicely at the moment.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Not really. In fact it seems to be working out nicely at the moment.

Taking it in the pooper? 

JHC, sheep gonna' sheep, I guess.

[thegeneral 2,908]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Taking it in the pooper? 

JHC, sheep gonna' sheep, I guess.

You dudes in here are obsessed with the gays and the gay sex

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

That is not a platform in any way, shape, or form.  If it is she has no plan for immigration or the wars around the world,   It's basically a list of supposed accomplishments.  There is no policy or plan in there.  Just stop. 

Did you not read point 2 of my post- I said I would imagine the full policy is coming after the convention but you can see the inferences of at least domestic policy.

You guys just go way over the top into goofy land the minute someone says something that isn't completely in lockstep with what you think. It's ridiculous. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

53 minutes ago, Fnord said:

. It sounds as though there were legalities involved with the money and the delegates, so perhaps it was necessary that it transpire this way, I dunno.

 

Had they tried to go to someone else that money that Biden raised in his campaign can not be used by just anyone. It had to be Kamala to use it. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You dudes in here are obsessed with the gays and the gay sex

You're the one taking it in the #ass, not us. 

[thegeneral 2,908]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You're the one taking it in the #ass, not us. 

Not so sure about that. You seem pretty curious. NTTAWWT!

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Not so sure about that. You seem pretty curious. NTTAWWT!

Deflection only works on other sheep.  HTH. 

Glad you're happy you had no vote.