Harrison Butker, geek club hero

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

That’s part of being a homemaker

Good point. Sure,

[TimHauck 2,868]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Good point. Sure,

Probably should add anyone that hires a cleaning service.  I’m sure that will incorporate some GC’ers

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Probably should add anyone that hires a cleaning service.  I’m sure that will incorporate some GC’ers

now you're reaching.

[TimHauck 2,868]

4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

now you're reaching.

Found one of the guys that hires a cleaning service 

[TimHauck 2,868]

The job of a homemaker is to take care of a family and the place where the family lives. The usual things that a homemaker does are:

• Planning meals
• Buying food
• Preparing and cooking food
• Serving food
• Washing-up after meals
• Cleaning the house
• Organizing the home
• Decorating the home
• Doing seasonal cleaning like washing all the curtains
• Decorating (arranging the furniture and ornaments, and choosing the colors of things)
• Washing clothes
• Ironing clothes
• Mending clothes (and sometimes making them)
• Shopping for new clothes and other family needs
• Getting children ready for school
• Bathing and dressing children
• Feeding babies
• Playing with children
• Comforting babies, children and partners
• Doing first aid
• Caring for sick people
• Caring for pets
• Entertaining guests
• Planning for guests and holidays/celebrations
• Remembering everybody's birthday.
• Driving the kids to school, sport etc.
• Helping with homework
• Supervising music practice
• Reading storybooks
• Putting children to bed
• Cleaning out the garage
• Maintaining and watering household plants
• Preparing a budget
• Researching ways to use the household's income most efficiently
• Bill pay

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homemaker

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The job of a homemaker is to take care of a family and the place where the family lives. The usual things that a homemaker does are:

• Planning meals
• Buying food
• Preparing and cooking food
• Serving food
• Washing-up after meals
• Cleaning the house
• Organizing the home
• Decorating the home
• Doing seasonal cleaning like washing all the curtains
• Decorating (arranging the furniture and ornaments, and choosing the colors of things)
• Washing clothes
• Ironing clothes
• Mending clothes (and sometimes making them)
• Shopping for new clothes and other family needs
• Getting children ready for school
• Bathing and dressing children
• Feeding babies
• Playing with children
• Comforting babies, children and partners
• Doing first aid
• Caring for sick people
• Caring for pets
• Entertaining guests
• Planning for guests and holidays/celebrations
• Remembering everybody's birthday.
• Driving the kids to school, sport etc.
• Helping with homework
• Supervising music practice
• Reading storybooks
• Putting children to bed
• Cleaning out the garage
• Maintaining and watering household plants
• Preparing a budget
• Researching ways to use the household's income most efficiently
• Bill pay

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homemaker

So, in your view, do they have to do every single one to be considered a homemaker?  If they don't do just one then in your eyes they are NOT a homemaker?

[jerryskids 6,792]

35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So all the rich folk where one of the parents doesn’t work but they still have a nanny, au pair, personal chef, and/or maid are all bad parents also?

Wut?  Getting help to vacuum the house makes you not a great parent?  How did you get this from what I said?

I said if neither WANTS to stay home, that's not a sign of great parenting.  And to your bright red herring:  no, a woman who spends the day having sex with the pool boy while a nanny takes her kid to the park is not a sign of great parenting, either.

[Strike 5,538]

I read the actual transcript of his speech today.  Has anyone else read it?  Because this is really a nothingburger issue that some of you are obsessed and offended over.

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

I read the actual transcript of his speech today.  Has anyone else read it?  Because this is really a nothingburger issue that some of you are obsessed and offended over.

It's clear the fake outrage crowd hasn't read it and just went off of the lies they heard on TikTok.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

I watched the speech on YouTube.  It was worthy of outage, unless of course you're a nut job

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18 minutes ago, Strike said:

I read the actual transcript of his speech today.  Has anyone else read it?  Because this is really a nothingburger issue that some of you are obsessed and offended over.

And some of them like Gutterboy And Hack lie about it. 

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[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It was worthy of outage,

 

He's not outraged by Joe Biden's racist comments or Kid Touching, it's a kicker that triggers him 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And some of them like Gutterboy And Hack lie about it. 

What did I lie about?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

On 5/17/2024 at 8:31 PM, GutterBoy said:

The same people that told kap to shut up and play football now want to hear Butker talk more about keeping women in the kitchen.

This is a lie. Would you like to keep going? 

[TimHauck 2,868]

45 minutes ago, Strike said:

I read the actual transcript of his speech today.  Has anyone else read it?  

Yes

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55 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, in your view, do they have to do every single one to be considered a homemaker?  If they don't do just one then in your eyes they are NOT a homemaker?

No, but cooking and cleaning are two very important ones

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51 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wut?  Getting help to vacuum the house makes you not a great parent?  

Don’t ask me, ask @Maximum Overkill

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This is a lie. Would you like to keep going? 

Did you even read this thread?

[TimHauck 2,868]

GC righties:  How dare you paraphrase what Butker said!

Also GC righties, despite no one doing it:  You’re sh1tting all over moms!

[jerryskids 6,792]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Don’t ask me, ask @Maximum Overkill

Why would I ask him, you responded to me?

But I'll play your little game:  show me where he said that staying at home with a bunch of people parenting for you makes one a good parent.

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27 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Don’t ask me, ask @Maximum Overkill

And back to my original post, which you completely avoided with your red herring.  Do you disagree with my assertion that if neither parent WANTS to stay home, then that is not a sign of good parenting?

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14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

But I'll play your little game:  show me where he said that staying at home with a bunch of people parenting for you makes one a good parent.

He didn’t, he said it makes them a bad parent.

If it’s the cleaning you are hung up on, then you disagree with Butker (not that there’s anything wrong with that of course).   He said homemaker is “one of the most important titles of all.”   If you are not cooking and cleaning, you are not a homemaker (hence the jokes of him telling women to get in the kitchen, obviously he didn’t say those exact words).   But it’s certainly understandable if your opinion is different and you’re just concerned about the parenting of the children and not so much about the rest of a homemaker’s typical duties.
 

10 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And back to my original post, which you completely avoided with your red herring.  Do you disagree with my assertion that if neither parent WANTS to stay home, then that is not a sign of good parenting?

Not necessarily.  Unless you want to get semantic with the word “want.”  What if both parents are highly specialized doctors where losing one would be a significant impact to the field?   What if the parents are illiterate and would rather their kids go somewhere where they feel they would get a better learning experience than at home?

Like with any relationship, being with your kid 24/7 isn’t always the best for both the kids or parents.  Having some time apart and for them to get other experiences can certainly help their development.  I’d bet that most kids that go to preschool/daycare tend to be more ready for kindergarten than ones who stayed at home for example.  

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

So, in your view, do they have to do every single one to be considered a homemaker?  If they don't do just one then in your eyes they are NOT a homemaker?

That retard loves semantic arguments.

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3 minutes ago, nobody said:

That retard loves semantic arguments.

for sure.

[TimHauck 2,868]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

That retard loves semantic arguments.

Do you think the posters here speaking out against Butker are “sh1tting all over moms”?

[jerryskids 6,792]

8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

If one of them doesn't WANT to stay home, I'd argue that that isn't a sign of great parenting.  

Note the emphasis on WANT

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So all the rich folk where one of the parents doesn’t work but they still have a nanny, au pair, personal chef, and/or maid are all bad parents also?

 

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Wut?  Getting help to vacuum the house makes you not a great parent?  How did you get this from what I said?

I said if neither WANTS to stay home, that's not a sign of great parenting.  And to your bright red herring:  no, a woman who spends the day having sex with the pool boy while a nanny takes her kid to the park is not a sign of great parenting, either.

 

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Don’t ask me, ask @Maximum Overkill

 

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Why would I ask him, you responded to me?

But I'll play your little game:  show me where he said that staying at home with a bunch of people parenting for you makes one a good parent.

 

39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And back to my original post, which you completely avoided with your red herring.  Do you disagree with my assertion that if neither parent WANTS to stay home, then that is not a sign of good parenting?

 

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He didn’t, he said it makes them a bad parent.

If it’s the cleaning you are hung up on, then you disagree with Butker (not that there’s anything wrong with that of course).   He said homemaker is “one of the most important titles of all.”   If you are not cooking and cleaning, you are not a homemaker (hence the jokes of him telling women to get in the kitchen, obviously he didn’t say those exact words).   But it’s certainly understandable if your opinion is different and you’re just concerned about the parenting of the children and not so much about the rest of a homemaker’s typical duties.
 

Not necessarily.  Unless you want to get semantic with the word “want.”  What if both parents are highly specialized doctors where losing one would be a significant impact to the field?   What if the parents are illiterate and would rather their kids go somewhere where they feel they would get a better learning experience than at home?

Like with any relationship, being with your kid 24/7 isn’t always the best for both the kids or parents.  Having some time apart and for them to get other experiences can certainly help their development.  I’d bet that most kids that go to preschool/daycare tend to be more ready for kindergarten than ones who stayed at home for example.  

Tim, seriously, you are all over the place here.  Please reread this and see how you came at me throwing a bunch of crap at the wall that had nothing to do with what I said, then you referred me to MO and when I asked where he said what you implied, you said he didn't.

See the bolded in your statement on this.

Note also the emphasis on my OP, because it wasn't "semantics."  I emphasized it to avoid the situation of people who WANT to have a parent stay at home, but can't because of, say, financial reasons (or in your scenario, some greater value to society).

Regarding your last paragraph, I'll just say:  personal health is important, and if that includes scheduling some time where you aren't 24/7 caring for kids, that is not only understandable, but I agree completely.  But that was never my point.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Note the emphasis on WANT

 

 

 

 

 

Tim, seriously, you are all over the place here.  Please reread this and see how you came at me throwing a bunch of crap at the wall that had nothing to do with what I said, then you referred me to MO and when I asked where he said what you implied, you said he didn't.

See the bolded in your statement on this.

Note also the emphasis on my OP, because it wasn't "semantics."  I emphasized it to avoid the situation of people who WANT to have a parent stay at home, but can't because of, say, financial reasons (or in your scenario, some greater value to society).

Regarding your last paragraph, I'll just say:  personal health is important, and if that includes scheduling some time where you aren't 24/7 caring for kids, that is not only understandable, but I agree completely.  But that was never my point.

I apologize jerry. Overall my comments in this thread were meant to be more in response to Butker.  I shouldn’t have assumed you agree completely with him, good to hear that you don’t.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I apologize jerry. Overall my comments in this thread were meant to be more in response to Butker.  I shouldn’t have assumed you agree completely with him, good to hear that you don’t.

What a dik

[jerryskids 6,792]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I apologize jerry. Overall my comments in this thread were meant to be more in response to Butker.  I shouldn’t have assumed you agree completely with him, good to hear that you don’t.

Accepted, thanks.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,101]

46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I apologize jerry. Overall my comments in this thread were meant to be more in response to Butker.  I shouldn’t have assumed you agree completely with him, good to hear that you don’t.

Y'know, Tim, good for you here.   

I'm going to change the way I respond to you from now on.  

[jerryskids 6,792]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I apologize jerry. Overall my comments in this thread were meant to be more in response to Butker.  I shouldn’t have assumed you agree completely with him, good to hear that you don’t.

Now that I've accepted your apology, let me give you some potential ammo to disagree with me.   

I just finished reading the transcript of his speech. 

Wow.  Not wow because the homemaker part, frankly that barely registered a blip with me.  But wow because of my spiritual journey.  I was raised Catholic, quit church in college, met my future wife who wanted to learn more about my religious upbringing, through that she converted to Catholicism, we were married in the Church, attended for years, kids raised and received the sacraments, then left for a long time... only to resurface in the past few years, with us going back and re-engaging.  In fact as I type this, she is at our church helping to feed some temporarily homeless families who are staying there.

I struggle with my own faith, but I appreciate the conviction that Butker has.  And he was extremely eloquent in describing the challenges facing the Church.  The battle between the progressive Pope and the traditionalists, with whom Butker clearly aligns.  I see value in both sides.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread on these things, but rather want to say that this speech has given me a lot to think about, and the homemaker thing is low on the list.

But... since those comments are the topic of this thread, I'll say:  like I said in my initial comments, I don't think this was necessarily the time or place for them.  Or maybe more accurately, he could have stated them more politically correct.  But reading them in the context of the entire speech:  the speech was so real in his convictions, that it is hard to see how he could have addressed it otherwise.  

Note also, and I haven't seen this addressed:  he calls on men in a similar fashion.  

Quote

To the gentlemen here today: Part of what plagues our society is this lie that has been told to you that men are not necessary in the home or in our communities. As men, we set the tone of the culture, and when that is absent, disorder, dysfunction, and chaos set in. This absence of men in the home is what plays a large role in the violence we see all around the nation. Other countries do not have nearly the same absentee father rates as we find here in the U.S., and a correlation could be made in their drastically lower violence rates, as well.

Yes, it's part of his traditional ideas of the roles of women and men, but there is an overarching message of the importance of an integral family, and a focus on children above all else.  IMO, if it makes more sense given the skills of the people to reverse the roles, I don't think that goes against the premise of his message on this point.

And mostly I'll be digesting the Catholic part, which was most of his message.

Rail away. 

 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Now that I've accepted your apology, let me give you some potential ammo to disagree with me.   

I just finished reading the transcript of his speech. 

Wow.  Not wow because the homemaker part, frankly that barely registered a blip with me.  But wow because of my spiritual journey.  I was raised Catholic, quit church in college, met my future wife who wanted to learn more about my religious upbringing, through that she converted to Catholicism, we were married in the Church, attended for years, kids raised and received the sacraments, then left for a long time... only to resurface in the past few years, with us going back and re-engaging.  In fact as I type this, she is at our church helping to feed some temporarily homeless families who are staying there.

I struggle with my own faith, but I appreciate the conviction that Butker has.  And he was extremely eloquent in describing the challenges facing the Church.  The battle between the progressive Pope and the traditionalists, with whom Butker clearly aligns.  I see value in both sides.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread on these things, but rather want to say that this speech has given me a lot to think about, and the homemaker thing is low on the list.

But... since those comments are the topic of this thread, I'll say:  like I said in my initial comments, I don't think this was necessarily the time or place for them.  Or maybe more accurately, he could have stated them more politically correct.  But reading them in the context of the entire speech:  the speech was so real in his convictions, that it is hard to see how he could have addressed it otherwise.  

Note also, and I haven't seen this addressed:  he calls on men in a similar fashion.  

Yes, it's part of his traditional ideas of the roles of women and men, but there is an overarching message of the importance of an integral family, and a focus on children above all else.  IMO, if it makes more sense given the skills of the people to reverse the roles, I don't think that goes against the premise of his message on this point.

And mostly I'll be digesting the Catholic part, which was most of his message.

Rail away. 

 

I agree 1000% with his statement here and we should be holding men to the fire as well.  No one is absolving men of their responsibility.

[TimHauck 2,868]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Now that I've accepted your apology, let me give you some potential ammo to disagree with me.   

I just finished reading the transcript of his speech. 

Wow.  Not wow because the homemaker part, frankly that barely registered a blip with me.  But wow because of my spiritual journey.  I was raised Catholic, quit church in college, met my future wife who wanted to learn more about my religious upbringing, through that she converted to Catholicism, we were married in the Church, attended for years, kids raised and received the sacraments, then left for a long time... only to resurface in the past few years, with us going back and re-engaging.  In fact as I type this, she is at our church helping to feed some temporarily homeless families who are staying there.

I struggle with my own faith, but I appreciate the conviction that Butker has.  And he was extremely eloquent in describing the challenges facing the Church.  The battle between the progressive Pope and the traditionalists, with whom Butker clearly aligns.  I see value in both sides.

I don't want to sidetrack this thread on these things, but rather want to say that this speech has given me a lot to think about, and the homemaker thing is low on the list.

But... since those comments are the topic of this thread, I'll say:  like I said in my initial comments, I don't think this was necessarily the time or place for them.  Or maybe more accurately, he could have stated them more politically correct.  But reading them in the context of the entire speech:  the speech was so real in his convictions, that it is hard to see how he could have addressed it otherwise.  

Note also, and I haven't seen this addressed:  he calls on men in a similar fashion.  

Yes, it's part of his traditional ideas of the roles of women and men, but there is an overarching message of the importance of an integral family, and a focus on children above all else.  IMO, if it makes more sense given the skills of the people to reverse the roles, I don't think that goes against the premise of his message on this point.

And mostly I'll be digesting the Catholic part, which was most of his message.

Rail away. 

 

I don’t necessarily disagree with you here.

Since you bring up his comments about Catholicism, what do you make of his comments about the Traditional Latin Mass?  It’s a “necessity for our lives,” don’t ya know.   I honestly think that section is a bit of microcosm of the rest of his speech.  He says “I do not attend the TLM because I think I am better than others,”  but then proceeds to list all the reasons why everyone should attend it…

Me being me, I was also not a fan of some of his Covid comments, which to me reek of having no concern for those that died of covid, all he cared about was lockdowns.  For example he listed out several different types of “fear” that bishops who closed churches had, but didn’t include “fear” of the virus which caused the largest increase in deaths since 1918, especially considering churches were not really a great place to avoid covid (large crowds, indoors, singing, plus probably a higher than average median age).

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31 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t necessarily disagree with you here.

Since you bring up his comments about Catholicism, what do you make of his comments about the Traditional Latin Mass?  It’s a “necessity for our lives,” don’t ya know.   I honestly think that section is a bit of microcosm of the rest of his speech.  He says “I do not attend the TLM because I think I am better than others,”  but then proceeds to list all the reasons why everyone should attend it…

Me being me, I was also not a fan of some of his Covid comments, which to me reek of having no concern for those that died of covid, all he cared about was lockdowns.  For example he listed out several different types of “fear” that bishops who closed churches had, but didn’t include “fear” of the virus which caused the largest increase in deaths since 1918, especially considering churches were not really a great place to avoid covid (large crowds, indoors, singing, plus probably a higher than average median age).

Before I answer, are you Catholic?

[TimHauck 2,868]

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Before I answer, are you Catholic?

No.  Was raised Jewish but was never very religious.  My wife is Catholic however, but while more religious than me is not terribly religious either.  We did check out 2 different Catholic churches in our area but were not a fan.  Currently free agents, have also checked out the Methodist church, some of those non-denominational ones with the band, and our kids attend a program at the Baptist church but we haven’t actually been to a service.  I think I might prefer Methodist the best at least of our specific local options.

[jerryskids 6,792]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No.  Was raised Jewish but was never very religious.  My wife is Catholic however, but while more religious than me is not terribly religious either.  We did check out 2 different Catholic churches in our area but were not a fan.  Currently free agents, have also checked out the Methodist church, some of those non-denominational ones with the band, and our kids attend a program at the Baptist church but we haven’t actually been to a service.  I think I might prefer Methodist the best at least of our specific local options.

Thanks.  I'd be interested in your wife's take on Butker's speech.  My wife thought it was a good message.  Then again, she is an engineer who took a break in her career to stay home with our kids.

Regarding the TLM:  I've never been to one, but I wouldn't mind attending one.  Our parish does something of a "high" mass, singing a lot of the parts that are spoken in other churches.

I don't see anything wrong with the "necessity" comment, he is a Catholic talking to other Catholics.  Nor do I object to him explaining why he thinks so.

Covid, meh, I didn't notice the omission you noted.  I suppose he could have said something about weighing the risks.  But his general message was that Church leadership should be more courageous in defending the faith, and in prioritizing the spiritual needs of their constituents.

[Horseman 2,457]

17 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

I watched the speech on YouTube.  It was worthy of outage, unless of course you're a nut job

If it was worthy of outage why didn't you just turn it off?

[TimHauck 2,868]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks.  I'd be interested in your wife's take on Butker's speech.  My wife thought it was a good message.  Then again, she is an engineer who took a break in her career to stay home with our kids.

Regarding the TLM:  I've never been to one, but I wouldn't mind attending one.  Our parish does something of a "high" mass, singing a lot of the parts that are spoken in other churches.

I don't see anything wrong with the "necessity" comment, he is a Catholic talking to other Catholics.  Nor do I object to him explaining why he thinks so.

Covid, meh, I didn't notice the omission you noted.  I suppose he could have said something about weighing the risks.  But his general message was that Church leadership should be more courageous in defending the faith, and in prioritizing the spiritual needs of their constituents.

I’ll ask.

He made several comments about Covid lockdowns.  That one, and early on he talked about how the students lived through the “Covid fiasco,” and I assume it was Fauci he was referencing as the “Catholic that was behind the lockdowns.” I agree much of the lockdowns were stupid, but it seemed like he was really focused on them and I didn’t like how he didn’t acknowledge the harm that Covid the virus did.  I dunno, maybe it was those comments that made me not give him any benefit of the doubt for the rest of his comments.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,424]

An opinion piece in the KC Star by some weak effeminate person with male parts says the Chiefs should fire Butker and replace him with a woman.