The Bad Hombres thread —another day another heinous crime in the Schocheting of America

[Hardcore troubadour 15,551]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. You’re trying to punish the many for the actions of a few. Very un-American of you. 
let the market decide who to hire and for how much. Not your concern. 

I wonder what you would be doing if the market decided?

[Strike 5,711]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. You’re trying to punish the many for the actions of a few. Very un-American of you. 
let the market decide who to hire and for how much. Not your concern. 

Absolutely my concern.  Amazing how little you care about your own country people.

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

Just now, Strike said:

Not just 3.  There have been a bunch of incidents just like this.  A couple of years ago an illegal drove a semi down the mountain out of the Rocky Mountains here in Denver and the highway slowed down significantly when you got in fo Denver but he didn't and plowed in to a bunch of cars.  I can't remember how many people died and or were injured but it was a decent amount.

So what? Terrible as that is, would you punish thousands of hard working people who don’t commit such crimes? You sound EXACTLY like the fanatical anti-gun crowd. They can cite incident after incident, mass shooting after mass shooting, none of which have anything to do with the gun ownership of law abiding people. Should their rights be abridged? 

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Absolutely my concern.  Amazing how little you care about your own country people.

It’s YOU who care little. You want to interfere with the actions of thousands to try and prevent crimes committed by a very few, which you won’t anyhow. 

[Strike 5,711]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

So what? Terrible as that is, would you punish thousands of hard working people who don’t commit such crimes? You sound EXACTLY like the fanatical anti-gun crowd. They can cite incident after incident, mass shooting after mass shooting, none of which have anything to do with the gun ownership of law abiding people. Should their rights be abridged? 

You don't get it.  These people aren't qualified to drive semis.  They're displacing American workers for cheaper wages at the expense of safety.  You obviously know nothing about this issue.  You're just issuing the same canned responses you do for every issue like this.  Unlike you I've actually read up on this specific issue.  I'm not going to debate an issue with someone who knows nothing about it.  

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

It’s amazing to me, this analogy between the anti-undocumented crowd and the anti-gun crowd. I’ve probably noted this before but I’ve never explored it in detail. But the two groups make the exact same arguments that we should impose draconian government restrictions in order to try and prevent terrible anecdotes that are statistically extremely unlikely. The libertarian understands that these sorts of solutions are bad policy and result in far worse situations than the incidents trying to be prevented. 

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

You don't get it.  These people aren't qualified to drive semis.  They're displacing American workers for cheaper wages at the expense of safety.  You obviously know nothing about this issue.  You're just issuing the same canned responses you do for every issue like this.  Unlike you I've actually read up on this specific issue.  I'm not going to debate an issue with someone who knows nothing about it.  

You’re correct I don’t know the specifics of this issue. Doesn’t matter. The reason you think my responses are canned is because the principles don’t change. Hiring as much as possible should be left up to the free market. There are cases in which, in the instance of public safety, they need to be regulated. Such regulations may have to be based on experience, one’s record of violent crimes, etc. 

BUT- I already know that the type of distinction YOU want to make, between documented people and undocumented people (in terms of how they got to the USA) is totally unwarranted. You will NEVER be able to make a compelling argument that someone born here, based on that fact alone, is more qualified or safer than an undocumented immigrant, and I don’t care if you’re talking about a commercial driver, or a pilot or a nuclear engineer. Such arguments are wrong, hateful, lazy, xenophobic and bigoted, and no thoughtful or decent person should ever make them. 

[seafoam1 3,194]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct I don’t know the specifics of this issue. Doesn’t matter. The reason you think my responses are canned is because the principles don’t change. Hiring as much as possible should be left up to the free market. There are cases in which, in the instance of public safety, they need to be regulated. Such regulations may have to be based on experience, one’s record of violent crimes, etc. 

BUT- I already know that the type of distinction YOU want to make, between documented people and undocumented people (in terms of how they got to the USA) is totally unwarranted. You will NEVER be able to make a compelling argument that someone born here, based on that fact alone, is more qualified or safer than an undocumented immigrant, and I don’t care if you’re talking about a commercial driver, or a pilot or a nuclear engineer. Such arguments are wrong, hateful, lazy, xenophobic and bigoted, and no thoughtful or decent person should ever make them. 

You are such an idiot. 

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You are such an idiot. 

Your comments delight me as always. Since every word you utter is the opposite of the truth, I always draw such affirmation from your opinions. 

[TimHauck 3,016]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

It's not about getting a driver's license.  It's about getting a commercial driver's license that allowed him to drive a semi.  It used to be illegal to hire someone to drive a semi who didn't speak English but Biden and or Obama removed that requirement and now we have had numerous incidents like this with illegals.  The trucking industry has been warning about this for years but the big trucking companies want to exploit illegals for profit just like you do so here we are with more Americans dying due to people like you 

Are you saying this guy didn’t speak English?

[Maximum Overkill 2,126]

California  

[Strike 5,711]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re correct I don’t know the specifics of this issue. Doesn’t matter. The reason you think my responses are canned is because the principles don’t change. Hiring as much as possible should be left up to the free market. There are cases in which, in the instance of public safety, they need to be regulated. Such regulations may have to be based on experience, one’s record of violent crimes, etc. 

BUT- I already know that the type of distinction YOU want to make, between documented people and undocumented people (in terms of how they got to the USA) is totally unwarranted. You will NEVER be able to make a compelling argument that someone born here, based on that fact alone, is more qualified or safer than an undocumented immigrant, and I don’t care if you’re talking about a commercial driver, or a pilot or a nuclear engineer. Such arguments are wrong, hateful, lazy, xenophobic and bigoted, and no thoughtful or decent person should ever make them. 

I didn't read past the firsr two sentences.  It takes a special kind of retard to constantly argue from a standpoint of ignorance.

[HellToupee 1,881]

11 hours ago, Strike said:

Not just 3.  There have been a bunch of incidents just like this.  A couple of years ago an illegal drove a semi down the mountain out of the Rocky Mountains here in Denver and the highway slowed down significantly when you got in fo Denver but he didn't and plowed in to a bunch of cars.  I can't remember how many people died and or were injured but it was a decent amount.

I went down a rabbit hole on this subject after reading your post . This is crazy that illegals are on the roads driving semis

 

[HellToupee 1,881]

Schochet should be driving on the highway with his family and have to deal with an illegal trucker

 

[HellToupee 1,881]

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EDITORIAL: Trucking sector must reform itself

The Gazette editorial board

Jun 24, 2024

Photo Credit: grandriver (iStock). grandriver via istock.com▲

Heavy trucks. They supply most of our goods yet pose a constant threat. Truckers and their employers must resolve the deadly dilemma, best described by a few of Colorado’s well-known tragedies.

April 25, 2019. Cuban Immigrant Rogel Aguilera-Mederos loses brakes in the eastbound lanes of I-70, passing a runaway truck ramp before heading into Lakewood. The truck smashes into a traffic jam, destroys 28 vehicles and kills four people. A judge sentences the driver to 110 years; Gov. Jared Polis reduces it to 10.

June 13, 2022. Illegal immigrant Jesus Puebla drives a truck northbound on Interstate 25 in Weld County, has braking problems and slams into the back of a car. The crash kills Aaron Godinez, Hailie Everts, their 3-month-old daughter, Tessleigh, and injures someone in another car. A judge last week sentenced Puebla to 11 years in prison on multiple counts of vehicular homicide.

June 11, 2024. Ignacio Cruz-Mendoza — an illegal immigrant who entered the country illegally 17 times — loses control of a semi, rolls it and drops a load of pipe on five other vehicles. The crash injures three and kills one. The driver, lacking a valid U.S. or commercial driver’s license, faces multiple charges and authorities determined the truck’s brakes did not work.

These are merely a few high-profile crashes. About 8.4% of all Colorado fatal crashes involve heavy trucks, and we seldom hear about them.

The National Safety Council reports a 49% increase in truck-crash fatalities in the past decade. The agency finds the involvement rate for each 100-million truck miles traveled rose 22% in the last 10 years.

We need trucks like we need aircraft. Trucking provides more than 110,000 Colorado jobs, paying annual wages of $52,000 for a total nearing $6 billion. Nearly 14,000 trucking companies headquarter in Colorado. Tucks move more than 128,512 tons of goods each day in our state. About 80% of Colorado communities depend 100% on trucking to supply essential goods.

Large aircraft, unlike large trucks, almost never crash. While federal data show between 4,000 and 5,000 fatal truck crashes each year, annual fatal airline crashes are typically zero and have never topped 0.03 accidents for each 100,000 departures in a single year this century.

Americans have such high safety expectations of flight that a non-fatal incident — the Jan. 5 loss of a door plug on an Alaska Airlines flight departing Seattle — justifiably captivates the public’s attention, which demands accountability, and jeopardizes Boeing’s survival.

We saw no proportional outrage — nothing close — when the public learned that corporate negligence played a major role in the deadly Lakewood crash. We saw no comparative response when the public learned how lax immigration enforcement played a key role in the crash caused by Cruz-Mendoza (he shouldn’t have been here), or the Jesus Puebla crash involving negligence by employer and employee.

Because society must have trucks, this should not be resolved with excessive regulations that would reduce competition, cause small-business failures and raise consumer prices. Yet, trucking executives large and small should know they invite such onerous control by the federal and state governments if they don’t embark on self-imposed reforms. They must begin soon and show dramatic results.

It is commonsense that all transportation employers should check the legal working status of employees. They should ensure each truck has good brakes and that each driver has proper training and licensure. Take no deadly shortcuts.

Trucking companies and their drivers must put safety first, or face taking lives and losing their jobs, liberties, companies and everything else. Ask those who didn’t, and they’ll surely wish they had.

Gazette editorial board

Just anecdotes….

[jonnyutah 333]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Giving these people drivers licenses make such instances less likely not more. Unless you’re stupid enough to believe that Mr. Singh would have refrained from driving if he had no license. Take away the ability of undocumented immigrants to have licenses and other legal recognition and you will end up with more violent crime, not less. 

How would he get the tractor and trailer tim?

[jonnyutah 333]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

What does this story have to do with the millions of hard working undocumented immigrants who don’t commit violent crimes? 

Non existent people.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,551]

Off duty NYPD cop gunned down illegal alien robber riding a moped. Doing robberies on mopeds just like in third world shittholes. You can’t bring there here without here becoming there. Nice job shitlibs. Good shoot brother. 

[TimHauck 3,016]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Just anecdotes….

It is just anecdotes if you’re trying to imply illegal immigrants are driving those numbers.  HTH

[HellToupee 1,881]

55 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Off duty NYPD cop gunned down illegal alien robber riding a moped. Doing robberies on mopeds just like in third world shittholes. You can bring there here without here becoming there. Nice job shitlibs. Good shoot brother. 

We need a 30 waiting period on mopeds

[avoiding injuries 1,611]

Not my Julio!!! Say it ain’t so, Julio. The Cartel?!?

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[HellToupee 1,881]

On 8/17/2025 at 10:40 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Giving these people drivers licenses make such instances less likely not more. Unless you’re stupid enough to believe that Mr. Singh would have refrained from driving if he had no license. Take away the ability of undocumented immigrants to have licenses and other legal recognition and you will end up with more violent crime, not less. 

how the hell did California give him a CDL??

“Federal investigators administered an English Language Proficiency assessment to the driver of the semi who killed 3 people in Florida .

He “provided correct responses to just 2 of 12 verbal questions and only accurately identified 1-4 highway traffic signs.”

 

And despite not being able to say English and read traffic signs, the states of California and Washington gave him a license to drive an 18-wheeler on the road.“

[The Real timschochet 6,985]

4 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

how the hell did California give him a CDL??

“Federal investigators administered an English Language Proficiency assessment to the driver of the semi who killed 3 people in Florida .

He “provided correct responses to just 2 of 12 verbal questions and only accurately identified 1-4 highway traffic signs.”

 

And despite not being able to say English and read traffic signs, the states of California and Washington gave him a license to drive an 18-wheeler on the road.“

Well there’s your answer. He should never have been given a license because he wasn’t qualified to have one. 
But not because he was undocumented. Undocumented should have nothing to do with it. 

[seafoam1 3,194]

56 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well there’s your answer. He should never have been given a license because he wasn’t qualified to have one. 
But not because he was undocumented. Undocumented should have nothing to do with it. 

Undocumented = ILLEGAL.

Learn you dopey liberal. 

[HellToupee 1,881]

Meatball Ron , a great governor , isn’t putting up with this shite. California is putting illegals wearing  sandals n the highways driving semis

 

[HellToupee 1,881]

The illegals committing crimes keep coming. Thank god for the patriots from ICE working hard to try and keep us safe

 

In less than a week, two Angolan nationals living in the U.S. illegally (visa overstays) have been arrested by ICE after separate crashes killed pedestrians in Maine according to @DHSgov. 

On August 16, 64y/o Stacy Strattard (pictured below) was hit and killed while she was crossing the street. Authorities say the driver, Mukendi Mbiya, came to the U.S. on a tourist visa in 2018 and never left.

In another incident, 74y/o Elizabeth Camacho was literally run over in a park. The driver, Lionel Francisco, had entered on a visa in January but overstayed last month. He was reportedly driving on a learner’s permit at the time.

Assistant Secretary @TriciaOhio says, “It seems to be almost a daily occurrence where an illegal alien driving kills innocent Americans. All of these deaths are preventable because these illegal aliens should have NEVER been in our country. President Trump and Secretary Noem are committed to restoring integrity to our visa programs to ensure they are not exploited by illegal aliens as one-way tickets to remain in the U.S.” 

Both men are currently in ICE custody. 
 

[HellToupee 1,881]

This bad hombre is part of the Schocheting of America 

 

BREAKING: Illegal Alien MS-13 gang member just sentenced to 52 years in prison for kidnapping a 15-year-old boy, smashing his skull in with a brick, stabbing him in the neck, leaving him for dead in New York last January.

This is what the Democrat Party is all about.